IRC log for #koha, 2010-07-19

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07:21 kf good morning #koha
07:49 nahuel Can someone tell me in which field/subfield we can put URLs ?
07:49 nahuel (good morning kf )
07:50 wasabi 852$u in marc21
07:51 chris thats one place
07:52 chris thats if its at the biblio level
07:53 chris 952u at item level
08:01 chris @later tell gmcharlt happy birthday!
08:01 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
08:19 nahuel ok thanks dudes
08:19 kf hi chris, wasabi and nahuel
08:20 chris hiya kf
08:20 chris presentations all finished?
08:21 kf yes
08:22 kf I think they even liked the acq presentation :)
08:22 chris excellent :)
08:29 kf chris: I think we have a bigger problem with memcache
08:30 kf chris: not sure it's a problem of our installation or a general one, the first problem was the acq framework, the second was a syspref. I activated singlebrnachmode by accident and was not able to deactivate it (and not able to show holds in opac because of the known bug :( )
08:31 chris i dont think memcached is being used with systempreferences
08:32 chris at last not in master
08:32 chris last=least
08:33 kf hm, strange
08:34 kf ok, will try to find out what the problem is.
08:36 kf ah
08:36 kf chris: the value in system preference table is 'no'
08:37 chris yeah that's not right
08:37 chris it should be 0
08:38 kf I have 7 systempreferences with yes and no
08:38 kf our system is a few updates behind, but only a week or so
08:39 kf ok, I think we will update the installation and I will test a bit more
08:41 chris check the .pref files
08:42 kf will do
08:42 kf ok, it works with English -not with German
08:43 kf I think there is a bigger problem, because the sys prefs are not translated at all
08:45 chris you might want to talk to fredericd about that, i have no idea how he set up the preferences for translation
08:47 wasabi looks like a night of fails, for me...
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08:48 wasabi glitchy encoding in bib records and yaz-marcdump fun
08:48 wasabi heya magnus
08:48 chris hi magnus
08:48 magnus hiya chris, wasabi et al
08:49 kf hi magnus
08:49 * wasabi waves at kf too
08:49 kf :)
08:49 magnus hi kf (i'll book my tickets this week, for sure!)
08:49 kf chris: will do, but I think we will first update the system and I will try with another language
08:50 kf magnus: just let me know :)
08:51 kf magnus: I saw that flights from stuttgart are the same price for me as from frankfurt - about 1300 euro, but had not much time for research last week
08:52 magnus kf: interesting! i'll *make* the time this week
08:52 kf magnus: making time is the only way. I will make time to apply for a credit card and passport this week.
08:53 magnus kf: sounds like a good plan! ;-)
08:54 kf :)
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09:29 magnus chris around?
09:32 chris yup
09:33 magnus sorry, i'm slightly confused by the kohacon program - when is the last day of the hackfest? October 31? says "Dates October 25 - November 2 2010"
09:35 chris 3 days of conference, then the trip to levin, then 4 day developer conference
09:35 chris mon, tue, wed, conference, thursday morning off afternoon to levin, fri, sat, sun, mon developer conference
09:36 magnus a ha, so last day is monday November 1, right?
09:37 chris yep
09:37 magnus ok, thanks a lot! off to search for tickets then
09:37 chris or maybe the 2nd .. depends on how many people are still around :) friday and saturday will be the important days tho
09:38 magnus heh, so there's hacking until noone can take anymore? ;-)
09:39 chris pretty much :)
09:39 chris the first 2 days will mostly be talks, sharing knowledge etc
09:39 chris then we might do a couple of days coding
09:42 magnus i see
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09:56 tance hello every body
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10:01 chris hi tance
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10:17 saqb hi
10:18 chris hi
10:18 saqb i have a problem in koha
10:18 saqb Can't locate object method "dbh" via package "C4::Context" (perhaps you forgot to load "C4::Context"?) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 398.
10:18 saqb kindly guide me ..
10:19 chris what version of koha are you running
10:19 saqb
10:19 saqb
10:21 chris was fixed on the 7th of july
10:21 saqb so what i have to do now?
10:22 magnus_lu is now known as magnus
10:22 chris[…]345882383da25ed50
10:22 chris you can make that change yourself, or wait for the next release
10:22 chris[…]387ec76462d7caf3c
10:22 chris is the change, its just a matter off adding
10:22 chris use C4::Context;
10:23 saqb ok
10:23 saqb sir
10:23 saqb Thank you so much
10:24 tance hello chris
10:24 chris no problem
10:24 tance i am new user of koha
10:25 tance and i want to do a framework
10:25 tance with this filed :
10:26 tance title , author, genre,
10:27 tance but i dont knw where ate located in the framework it's complicated for me
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10:28 chris[…]?ch=x3642#AEN3645
10:29 chris you probably need to learn about MARC
10:29 tance ok thanks
10:29 chris
10:29 tance very much
10:30 tance koha generates raports about the incoming from hirings ?
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10:38 wasabi ive a Q, is there a script about to build bi.marcxml blobs from the bib/bibitems/items tables
10:39 wasabi i have a feeling i've seen one about?...
10:39 kf wasabi: yes
10:39 chris incoming from hirings?
10:39 wasabi oooh, where kf?
10:39 kf wasabi: searching... :)
10:39 kf ah, sorry, perhaps I misunderstood your question :(
10:39 kf there is a script to build marcxml from items table
10:40 wasabi right, i have found that...
10:41 wasabi[…]29194807f;hb=HEAD
10:42 chris thats not it
10:43 wasabi oops, that script does the other-way-round
10:43 chris
10:43 chris and its only for unimarc wasabi
10:43 chris misc/maintenance/ is for items
10:44 tance incoming from borrowers
10:46 wasabi cheers chris/kf, this will help alot
10:46 tance i want to import some excel data in koha kataloging:
10:46 tance how can i do this
10:46 tance can anybody help me \
10:47 wasabi tance, marcedit for windows is what some people use
10:48 wasabi to[…]it/html/index.php
10:50 wasabi you might need to use a perl script, if your data is bad or tricky
10:58 tance can i do this from the mysql database to import excel data
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10:58 tance to my cataloging
10:59 wasabi nah, dump it out of your database to a cvs file ;)
11:00 wasabi much easier for you to work with!
11:00 wasabi then use marcedit to *convert* your csv file to a MARC file
11:01 wasabi then import your MARC file into Koha
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11:18 wasabi fyi: my zebra -indexing problems where caused by bad/old  koha2.2 fwrks
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11:31 nengard happy monday morning all
11:31 magnus hiya nengard
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11:32 magnus hiya jwagner
11:33 magnus or, to make a long story short: good morning usa! ;-)
11:36 jwagner Hi magnus
11:36 jwagner It's morning already???
11:36 magnus just a guess, based on the people showing up ;-)
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11:40 kf nengard: happy monday? sounds like an explosive mixture
11:40 nengard ha
11:41 nengard yeah, i'm trying to think happy positive thoughts after an insane week last week with a few crappy flights
11:42 kf I was lucky with my trains - all ac working. but still travelling in thsi weather is exhausting
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11:45 druthb nengard:  I know you had a passel of delays, particularly at ATL, but were the flights themselves any worse than usual (is no such thing as a truly-pleasant flight any more, IMO.)
11:46 nengard The tini tiny itty bitty plane from ATL to Augusta was not pleasant - especially with the 300lb 6ft tall man in the tini tiny seat next to me :(
11:46 nengard but the other planes and flights were a-ok since i was upgraded to first class and had a nice sized seat and free snacks
11:47 nengard just that it shouldn't take 13 hours to get from home to GA in a plane - I can drive it in that
11:57 * druthb has told her bosses that if she can get there by train, that's preferred.  amputee + TSA == misery;  amputee + transsexual + TSA == whole_new_levels_of_pain_and_suffering.
11:59 nengard LOL
11:59 nengard lately TSA has been the easiest part of my travel
11:59 kf TSA?
11:59 druthb The things that make you not-very-normal do not show on a body scan, nengard.  ;-)
12:00 druthb Transportation Security Administration--the thugs at the airport security checkpoints.
12:00 nengard transportation security administration?  -- the security guys who you have to see before getting on the plane
12:00 nengard oh i was right
12:00 nengard and ha ha druthb
12:01 kf thx :)
12:01 * kf adds one more word to her vocabulary list
12:01 druthb They have policies and procedures for dealing with amputees, and with transgendered persons, but their "training" consists of putting out the bulletin for the apes to read.  So I get treated differently--and badly--at each different airport.
12:03 druthb Since they have absolute power over who flies, and who does not, it's safe to assume that some number of them have been absolutely corrupted by that power, and will use it to be abusive to travelers.  I see it *all* the time.
12:06 * magnus wonders how much hassle a change of planes at LAX will be...
12:07 druthb change-of-planes shouldn't be too bad, magnus.  you won't have to deal with TSA, probably, coming from international, going international.
12:07 magnus oooh, sounds good
12:08 jwagner magnus, changing planes isn't usually a problem, unless you're exiting international and going domestic.  Problem is with coming into the airport from outside
12:08 druthb Since you're not "entering", shouldn't have to deal with Customs, either.
12:08 magnus cool!
12:08 * magnus heaves a sigh of relief and sympathizes with everyone else... ;-)
12:10 druthb being a fairly normally-configured male seems to help.  I watched at Dallas Love Field once while they "randomly" selected only women for additional screening.  Anyone with a disability, or who doesn't *look* like a normally-configured person, is a target.
12:11 magnus ouch
12:12 collum DFW flagged my entire family once.  My youngest was 3 at the time.  They made him raise his arms and used a portable metal detector on him. It was annoying and cute at the same time.
12:13 collum The only problem with LAX is changing terminals. You still have to get on a bus.  No trams.
12:14 druthb DFW security is really, really bad.  I've seen them humiliate people a lot.
12:15 jwagner I was once catching a very early morning flight out of Houston.  In a lot of pain, walking very badly with a cane, and thus requested early boarding because I couldn't move too fast.  This appeared to trigger the alert instincts, because they pulled me aside for screening while everyone else boarded.  I then got to hobble aboard, tripping over everyone's luggage, etc.
12:16 druthb They asked me to take my prosthetic leg off and run it through the X-ray several times at DFW.  Fortunately, I was never in a big enough hurry that I couldn't appeal that to management.  It's against Federal law for them to ask that.
12:17 druthb jwagner:  Bush/IAH?  Hobby airport is usually better, in Houston.  Bush is hell on earth, on a good day.
12:18 jwagner Hobby.  I was returning from a training trip to Johnson Space Center.
12:18 druthb That was unusual, then.  I've not had abnormal levels of trouble at Hobby.  Still, that's pretty heinous.
12:18 jwagner The one good part of that trip was the tour of Mission Control.  You should get SOME perks working for NASA, right?
12:19 druthb Well, yes.
12:20 jwagner That was the same trip where I was changing planes in Atlanta the day some idiot decided to run past security.  They evacuated the ENTIRE airport and made everyone wait out in the parking lot for hours.  Fortunately, I had a wheelchair for that piece.  I was probably one of the few people who made my flight home that night.
12:20 jwagner (This was the first time I'd flown after 9/11 -- nobody was happy about anything)
12:22 druthb My first flight after 9/11 was from Love field in Dallas, to New Orleans for ALA Midwinter.  When I went to the airport to head home, the metal detector *didn't* go off.  With my leg, it should, and I pointed it out (probably dumb of me).  They evacuated that concourse, and rescreened everyone.
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12:39 * imp had problems at LAX to find the right terminal - even the tsa persons checked my ticked and let me inside the wrong terminal... had to explain why my ticket got already stamped after i figured out it was the wrong terminal...
12:42 nengard LAX security was horrible for me - I waited in line for at least an hour - not looking forward to going back there before NZ
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12:42 nengard Wanted to find a flight out of San Fran - but LAX was cheaper :(
12:43 * magnus just booked the ticket to kohacon - yay!
12:43 imp :)
12:44 imp those "we are happy to work here" signs are funny ;)
12:45 kf magnus++ :)
12:45 nengard owen do you happen to know (or anyone) what the difference is between OPACUserCSS and opacstylesheet
12:46 nengard and opaccolorstylesheet
12:46 owen OPACUserCSS embeds the CSS directly on the page
12:46 imp .oO(until you spot the person gets angry behind the fingerprint reader, because he's unable to deal with eldery people who are unable speak english...)
12:46 nengard oh yeah - that makes sense
12:46 owen opaccolorstylesheet points to a stylesheet on the Koha server in the same directory as the standard Koha stylesheets
12:46 owen opaccolorstylesheet is preferred because the browser will cache the custom stylesheet.
12:47 owen If you use OPACUserCSS it makes every OPAC page a little bit bigger because of the embedded CSS. Not as efficient.
12:47 nengard makes sense
12:47 owen (I don't know how much effect it actually has in practical terms)
12:47 nengard what about opacstylesheet vs opaccolorstylesheet
12:48 * nengard is working on the implementation checklist in the manual
12:48 owen opacstylesheet will completely *replace* the default Koha stylesheet
12:49 owen So you have to duplicate or reimplement the default stylesheet in your custom stylesheet
12:49 owen I should do a blog post about this, with diagrams.
12:49 owen It doesn't help that they're all ambiguously named.
12:50 owen ...or inaccurately named.
12:50 jwagner Has my patch allowing for remotely-stored opaccolorstylesheet been pushed?  If so, nengard you should account for that in the docs as well.
12:51 nengard so opaccolorstylesheet adds to the default, opacstylesheet replaces the default and OPACUserCSS embeds into the HTML for the page
12:51 owen jwagner: When did you send the patch?
12:51 owen That's exactly right nengard
12:51 nengard jwagner, not sure, but if it was I wrote about that already in the sys prefs section - this part is for the implementation checklist appendix
12:51 jwagner Bug 4394, late April/early May
12:52 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL
12:52 jwagner Most current version sent May 4
12:52 nengard doesn't look like it was pushed ...
12:53 nengard my HEAD asks for a file in the css folder still
12:53 nengard owen - crap!! I found another :)  what about  opaclayoutstylesheet
12:54 owen Like opacstylesheet, except pointing to a file on the Koha server instead of a remote URL
12:55 owen It's the preference that by default points to "opac.css"
12:56 nengard it does
12:56 nengard for me
12:56 nengard okay
12:56 nengard gonna try to write this up in the appendix
12:56 nengard but a blog post would be great too :)
12:57 nengard I might take your blog post and put it in as it's own appendix :)
12:57 nengard updated statement:   opaccolorstylesheet adds to the default; opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet replace the default; and OPACUserCSS embeds into the HTML for the page
12:58 owen If jwagner's patch for opaccolorstylesheet shows a good method for handling it, we could maybe merge opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet?
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13:12 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:22 jwagner Morning, jcamins
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13:27 nengard there - opac section done in implementation checklist:[…]46f74f707ab60c2de
13:37 nengard the sky has just opened up - the rain is pretty darn loud
13:38 collum @wunder 41011
13:38 munin collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 24.6�C (9:40 AM EDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising).
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14:04 kf nengard: aorund?
14:04 nengard yup
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14:04 mib_q1vbe We are interested in creating a customized table for course reserves...any idea where we might can get some help?
14:04 kf I saw your mail with owen about anonsuggestions - perhaps we should check which account the anonymous suggestion is linked too
14:05 kf I think the borrower number was to link the suggestions to one account - allow could be 1 in the database
14:05 nengard that's a good point
14:05 kf so perhaps borrower 1 has the suggestions?
14:05 nengard will check in on that
14:05 nengard once i finish this section of the manual I'm working on
14:06 owen Interesting...
14:06 kf sorry, can't test right today - if you dont find time remember me tomorrow!
14:06 owen There is a preference, "AnonymousPatron," which only shows up in the old system preferences editor
14:06 owen I have it set to "0"
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14:11 kf hm interesting
14:11 kf so perhaps both sys prefs belonged together?
14:12 nengard does anyone know what content Babelth?que puts in the OPAC? I'm not seeing anything with it enabled on my system
14:14 owen it requires a subscription, but I'm not sure how you authorize yourself in Koha
14:14 owen I assume it's like Syndetics or Amazon
14:18 wizzyrea owen++ for a really great blog post
14:19 jwagner kf, I thought the original idea of anonymous patron suggestions was that you created a dummy patron, then put that patron ID into one of the sysprefs.  Then all suggestions would come in using that ID.
14:19 kf jwagner: that's what I thought too
14:20 nengard owen that's what I thought - that it required registration which is why i was so confused
14:20 kf owen: I think perhaps IP address, they are similar to library thing for libraries
14:20 owen That's what I was going to guess kf
14:20 kf at least that's what a french speaking colleague told me :)
14:24 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5034 - update the maintainer details, correctly <[…]64e1f8d1906980de8> / Correcting URL typo in link back to labels home page <[…]35b64cf2b25832c0f>
14:25 * wizzyrea ducks
14:25 wizzyrea[…]upport/continent/
14:25 wizzyrea to be done by country next
14:27 nengard 3 more sections and the implementation checklist will be done!! well - first draft done :) hehe
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14:28 kf wizzyrea: I like it
14:29 kf wizzyrea: can I point you to a wrong url?[…]ha-mailing-lists/ > Primary web archives of  specialised Koha mailing lists
14:29 wizzyrea oh right, because we changed the mailing list
14:30 kf and on > Koha Wiki is wrong
14:30 wizzyrea I'm not sure we have that
14:30 kf I think we have
14:30 kf let me check
14:31 chris_n` is now known as chris_n
14:31 wizzyrea i'd appreciate that :)
14:31 kf http://lists.koha-community.or[…]/mailman/listinfo
14:31 wizzyrea teh 2nd is fixed, the wiki
14:31 wizzyrea I thought I got them all, good catch
14:32 wizzyrea there the specialised list link is correct too now
14:33 owen wizzyrea: There's a problem with the company links on that continent page
14:33 wizzyrea ah, indeed
14:33 owen <a _blank="" href=" target=" class="url"></a>
14:33 gmcharlt good morning
14:33 wizzyrea I've been working with the dev for the plugin that does that
14:33 owen Hi gmcharlt
14:33 kf hi gmcharlt
14:34 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Follow-up fix for Bug 5013, "New patron" menu button broken <[…]b912220d70eeabadf> / bug 5007: fixing the syspref for IntranetBiblioDefaultView <[…]b5d644aa41df52270>
14:34 kf it's your birthday?
14:34 gmcharlt kf: yep
14:35 kf HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :)
14:36 * owen throws some leftover Bug 5K confetti
14:36 munin Bug[…]show_bug.cgi?id=5 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, doesn't set permissions correctly
14:37 owen munin: :P
14:37 munin owen: Error: ":P" is not a valid command.
14:37 gmcharlt lol
14:37 kf owen: :)
14:37 gmcharlt bug 2500+2500
14:37 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/
14:37 gmcharlt ah, I see what it's doing
14:43 wizzyrea owen: I found and squashed the bug with the listings
14:43 owen wizzyrea++
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14:47 jcamins gmcharlt: happy birthday!
14:50 nengard can someone confirm that bug 4835 is a bug - if not can you explain to me what that log tracks?
14:50 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4835 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, CataloguingLog pref description wrong
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14:58 gmcharlt nengard: "it is not advisable to
14:58 gmcharlt turn this on. " is essentially FUD, in my opinion
14:58 nengard that's what it sounds like to me!!!
14:58 nengard what does it track exactly? just cataloging actions? or other actions as well?
14:59 gmcharlt changes to bibs and items
14:59 nengard then i see no reason why that would be a problem
14:59 nengard well i know we cna't change it for 3.2 but i'll put it on my 3.4 list
15:00 gmcharlt specifically bib and item creates, updates, and deletes
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15:00 gmcharlt oddly, it does not cause authority record updates to be logged
15:01 nengard hmmm
15:11 wizzyrea alright, please try to break
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15:12 wizzyrea (do note, if you are logged in, you will see aa Name of Company. This does not show up to non-logged in users)
15:12 jcamins Ooh.
15:12 jcamins wizzyrea++
15:16 nengard wizzyrea which plugin did you use for this? or did you not use a plugin
15:16 wizzyrea
15:17 wizzyrea the dev for the plugin actually fixed a fairly serious bug that would have prevented me from using it over the weekend
15:17 wizzyrea so I'm keen to pimp on connections ;)
15:17 nengard oh - maybe i should try it again then
15:17 nengard i was trying to find a tool to use for a directory on one of my sites
15:18 wizzyrea yea, I need one for the NEKLS site too
15:18 wizzyrea I like it, it seems pretty flexible
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15:31 nengard wizzyrea when you get a chance can you pull the manual to the site?  I have added a new appendix that chris has been waiting for
15:34 wizzyrea k
15:35 wizzyrea oh and re: the link you sent me
15:39 wizzyrea the script has to format all links to be findable at koha-community, it can't really tolerate relative links, so it has to tack on to the front of each one. I'm sure there's a better way, so I'll try to figure it out.
15:39 nengard is that what it's doing with all links? I thought some of them worked right ... off to check
15:39 nengard maybe there is something i can do to fix it on my end
15:39 wizzyrea well
15:40 wizzyrea I don't think you want to key it to
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15:40 nengard i have to go check that email - i forget what link it was :) hehe
15:41 nengard but these all work a-ok --[…]h=a11294#AEN11297
15:41 wizzyrea right I wonder what's different about them
15:41 wizzyrea hrm
15:41 wizzyrea I don't have the email right in front of me lol :)
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15:41 nengard i found the email
15:41 nengard and i'm checking the code now
15:43 nengard i see no difference between these two:
15:43 nengard <ulink url=""></ulink>
15:43 nengard <ulink url=""></ulink>
15:44 wizzyrea but this is what it's outputting:[…]
15:44 wizzyrea which will no worky.
15:45 wizzyrea i wonder if it's because of the html on the end
15:45 wizzyrea seems likely
15:46 wizzyrea yea, that's why
15:46 wizzyrea because there's a .html on the end it thinks it needs to append the goodies on.
15:47 nengard ick
15:47 wizzyrea lemme see if I can fix it. Prepare for manual breakage.
15:47 nengard let me see if i can find another url
15:47 nengard i can make it go to: instead of the search page
15:50 wizzyrea that's really up to you, i mean the glory of the web is supposed to be deep linking, right?
15:51 wizzyrea I do like that you can choose to find or add
15:51 wizzyrea from that url
15:54 nengard changed and pushed
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15:55 wizzyrea that problem is still a weakness, I'll see what I can do to fix it
16:02 kf bye all
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16:42 owen Okay, sanity check: There is a OPACAllowHoldDateInFuture system pref, "Allow or don't allow patrons to place holds that don't enter the waiting list until a certain future date. "
16:43 owen But that flag controls the display in the template of the "Hold Not Needed After" column.
16:44 owen Shouldn't that be "hold not needed before?"
16:44 wizzyrea it would seem that way
16:45 owen I've never tested it myself
16:53 nengard there are 2 prefs
16:53 nengard or i thought there were
16:53 nengard trying to find it now
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16:55 owen Setting a date in the "hold not needed after" field sets a value in reserves.expirationdate, so the "hold not needed after" label is correct.
16:55 nengard yes
16:56 nengard the hold date in the future is the one with a preference, the hold expiration date is alwyas there
16:56 nengard was just testing
16:56 owen Ah, I see it now
16:56 owen I was confusing what section of the template I was in
16:56 nengard what i have never tested is what happens if you put a hold start date in
17:00 owen Looks like nothing.
17:00 owen Nothing got saved in the reserves table
17:07 owen No, I'm wrong again.
17:07 owen It uses the reservedate column
17:09 owen And indeed, if the reservedate is in the future the title doesn't appear in the holds queue
17:10 owen Sanity check results: Koha 1, Owen 0
17:14 nengard thanks for testing!
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17:34 wizzyrea ok nengard, i'm running an update to the manual that may fix url's that have .html at the end
17:34 nengard cool
17:34 nengard i just pushed some updates as well - but they aren't important for immediate pushing
17:35 nengard it can wait for sunday
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18:02 jcamins Is there any way to delete or hide multiple tags at once in the Framework editor?
18:04 nengard no
18:05 nengard[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1289
18:05 munin Bug 1289: enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Bulk/global edit for MARC frameworks
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18:24 joetho2 we have a lizard loose in our office this morning
18:25 joetho2
18:25 jwagner Well, THAT's a nice new neighbor :-)
18:25 joetho2 could be worse. He looks pretty harmless.
18:26 jwagner Could be worse -- when I was supporting the library down at Kennedy they were troubled by alligators strolling the hallways....
18:26 owen You're one vowel away for a much worse case
18:26 joetho2 yikes
18:26 jwagner The building at Kennedy where the library lives has/had a motion sensor doorway, you see.....
18:26 joetho2 if he is a her, I want to name her...
18:27 joetho2 LIZ ! !
18:27 * jwagner goes and hides under a table
18:31 jwagner wizzyrea must not be listening :-)
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18:32 cait hi all
18:32 jwagner Hi cait
18:38 nengard uh oh - found a big bug :(
18:38 jcamins Is setting up custom frameworks really as painful as it seems, or am I missing something?
18:39 joetho2 nengard - I will send my new Bug Eater
18:39 joetho2 Can he stay at your place?
18:40 jwagner jcamins, it's really that painful.....
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18:40 owen You're not missing anything jcamins
18:40 nengard Bug 5039
18:40 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5039 blocker, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, cgi-bin/koha/labels/
18:40 CGI906 i was wondering if I can install a local copy of Koha harley release on windows
18:40 nengard joetho2 i'd love to have a bug eater :)
18:41 CGI906 anyone got an idea how
18:41 owen CGI906: You could if you used a program like VirtualBox to install Linux, and then Harley on that
18:41 nengard jcamins - yeah it is painful - that's why i submitted that enhancement request
18:41 owen CGI906: Why do you want to install Harley? Why not install real Koha?
18:42 CGI906 my boss asked me to look into getting harley
18:42 CGI906 but can the real Koha be installed on windows?
18:42 owen CGI906: Harley is a dead end.
18:42 owen CGI906: If you install a real version of Koha you'll be on a good upgrade path
18:42 jcamins Oh well. It was a nice thought, that maybe it was a little better than it seemed at first blush. Well, I guess I know what I'll be doing this week.
18:43 owen CGI906: No current version of Koha runs natively on Windows.
18:43 cait nengard: finding them before release is the better option
18:43 nengard cait i know - i just hate finding them
18:43 nengard this might be an easy fix though - maybe just a template issue....
18:44 jwagner CGI906, our ultimate goal is to integrate all the Harley features (and more we're working on) back into mainline Koha with a clear upgrade path.  That's a ways off yet, though.
18:44 cait nengard: I created a batch of labels in my presentation
18:44 nengard on HEAD?
18:44 CGI906 hmm ok
18:44 nengard cait i just tried and attached a screenshot - no checkboxes in the most recent HEAD
18:44 CGI906 thanks for your help
18:44 nengard rebased today
18:44 cait nengard: installation is perhaps 2 weeks behind. they surprised me with the request, now not sure how I did it
18:45 cait but the link from staged marc files was broken
18:45 cait I think I searched for creation date
18:45 nengard cait - yeah i tried that
18:45 nengard no checkboxes on the results
18:45 cait although I like how the list looks - have your search results items?
18:45 owen nengard: I've definitely got checkboxes
18:46 nengard on the most recent HEAD from today?
18:46 nengard you see my screenshot ... i most certainly do not have checkboxes ... and select all does nothing
18:46 owen nengard: Yes. I see you're logged in at NO_LIBRARY_SET. Maybe test again as a real user?
18:46 sekjal nengard: it could be a data problem.  if you don't have all the right tables populated, the script may be pulling NULLs and other junk
18:46 sekjal happened with the Messaging Preferences before
18:47 nengard owen - tried on a diff install and it worked
18:47 cait teh check boxes were on item level I think, perhaps there are no items or it shows only items of your library?
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18:49 jwagner chris_n, online?
18:51 nengard bug closed
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18:52 cait nengard: is there a bug for the problem to create batches from import?
18:53 jcamins Just out of curiosity, can anyone think of any instance where you would want to have some subfields from tag XXX on one tab, and other subfields from that same tag on a different tab?
18:53 nengard yes
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18:53 nengard cait bug 3999
18:53 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3999 major, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Create Batch on Marc Import Tool Does nothing
18:53 * chris_n crawls out from under his desk and looks carefully over the top
18:53 cait ah thx
18:54 jwagner chris_n, are you hiding from joetho's lizard too?
18:54 mib_n1566 hello all
18:54 cait jcamins: perhaps the tags you use most on the first tab and some you sometimes use on a second?
18:54 * chris_n hates bugs, but lizards are 'ok'
18:54 mib_n1566 bug 5038
18:54 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5038 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Checkout by hour
18:54 cait short loans
18:55 jwagner chris_n, I think I'm missing a patch on your label designer -- you did one that eliminates accession dates of 0000-00-00 from the batch creation, didn't you?
18:55 jcamins cait: Yeah, it makes sense on a field level, but on a subfield level?
18:55 cait don't ask me - aren't you a cataloger? :)
18:55 jcamins Yes I am.
18:55 chris_n jwagner: I can't remember off the top of my head, but it seems that there was a date formatting issue at one point
18:56 jcamins And as a cataloger, the idea of having subfields split up is ridiculous.
18:56 jwagner chris_n, OK, I'll go prowl through the code.  Was wistfully hoping you had all your commits memorized :-)
18:56 jcamins Which is why I wanted to ask non-catalogers. ;)
18:57 nengard time to record a screencast - closing chat for a little bit - be back later
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18:57 * chris_n has been cogitating upon writing an XS wrapper for windows VSS and so is not in a sane state of mind atm :-P
18:57 * jwagner sends chocolate or tranquilizers as preferred to chris_n
18:57 cait jcamins: perhaps the same reason, although I'm really glad that our libraries catalog in our union catalog - no need to work with frameworks except for fast add and acq
18:58 jcamins cait: Lucky you!
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19:04 briceSanc hello, i'm the personn who report bug 5038
19:04 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5038 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Checkout by hour
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19:05 nengard i'm back ... has anyone used the label creator? I'm getting blank PDFs and empty CSV files
19:06 owen nengard: Me too in my last quick test, but I didn't have time to investigate
19:06 chris_n jwagner: sorry, but I found a git branch entitled 'searchfix' with no work... I seem to remember thinking about fixing some search date issues, but then must have been distracted
19:06 chris_n seems there was a lack of support for ansi-sql date formatting in C4::Dates
19:06 cait i think I did barcode labels
19:06 nengard chris_n there you are :) my label maker guru - any ideas about this blank pdf issue?
19:06 chris_n but I may be remembering wrong
19:06 nengard i'm doing spine lables
19:06 nengard labels
19:06 * owen has a branch or two like that... A hopeful name but no work
19:06 * chris_n draws a blank
19:06 nengard maybe i have the wrong field in place
19:07 jwagner chris_n, would the fix just be to exclude 0000-00-00 dates from the search?
19:07 chris_n nengard: I'll need a little more info... :)
19:07 jwagner Or since it's doing a >= search, maybe it needs more
19:08 nengard okay i have a batch of labels I choose to print the spine labels the spine label template says callnumber, 952t should print on it but when i export i get a blank pdf and a blank csv for download
19:08 nengard no labels
19:08 chris_n jwagner: you could do it that way, assuming you never wanted those items to show
19:09 chris_n jwagner: but the problem I'm recalling was not related I think... I'd have to do more digging as it came up on irc
19:10 chris_n nengard: my first impulse is to say it looks like more data problems, but I'll try it out here... om
19:10 nengard i did choose only items that had call numbers to print - but they don't all have 952t
19:11 jwagner chris_n, you have a git repo somewhere, right? Is there someplace I can look to see if I have all the patches?
19:12 chris_n jwagner:[…]fbc.git;a=summary
19:12 chris_n is the most current
19:12 nengard list of repos here:[…]_Git_Repositories
19:14 chris_n nengard: ok
19:15 chris_n many of my bibs do not have callnumber populated
19:15 chris_n but some have 952t
19:15 chris_n when I do a layout for 'callnumber, 952t' I get what I would expect in the resulting pdf
19:16 chris_n I also tried a layout of 'itemcallnumber, 952t' and get what I would expect to get
19:16 chris_n bibs with no callnumber don't have one printed
19:16 chris_n etc
19:16 chris_n @marc 952t
19:16 munin chris_n: unknown tag 952t
19:16 chris_n @marc 952
19:16 munin chris_n: unknown tag 952
19:17 cait it's local
19:17 cait koha specific
19:17 chris_n I was wondering as I see 'strange' numbers in mine
19:17 cait everything with a 9 is a local field
19:17 chris_n cait: do you know what koha uses it for?
19:17 cait let me check
19:18 jcamins chris_n: 952t should be copy number, I think.
19:18 jcamins I can confirm that for you in a moment.
19:18 nengard chris_n let me try itemcallnumber
19:18 * chris_n thinks we need to teach munin koha's use of the 9xx fields
19:18 chris_n jcamins: that would make sense with my data
19:18 nengard i did not know there were two call numbers i could use
19:18 jcamins Yeah, 952t is copy number.
19:19 cait ah, copy number
19:19 chris_n nengard: welcome to a very confusing phenomena
19:19 nengard thank goodness that worked!!!!
19:19 * chris_n has yet to figure out why the bib has a call number
19:19 chris_n but then I'm not a librarian
19:19 chris_n nor a cataloger
19:19 jcamins chris_n: The bib has a call number?
19:20 cait more a notation perhaps
19:20 chris_n jcamins: biblio.callnumber iirc
19:20 jcamins Huh.
19:20 cait or classification number
19:20 cait "Notation" is the German word
19:20 nengard let me finish this video - be back
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19:21 jcamins It's a shame we never had call numbers in our records... I would definitely take advantage of that feature, otherwise.
19:21 jcamins There are some really strange MARC tags, incidentally.
19:22 jcamins @marc 026
19:22 munin jcamins: Used to assist in the identification of antiquarian books by recording information comprising groups of characters taken from specified positions on specified pages of the book, in accordance with the principles laid down in various published guidelines. (Repeatable) []
19:22 jwagner wizzyrea, online?
19:22 owen Wow, like a hash for a printed book
19:22 chris_n jcamins: the entire system of biblio, biblioitems, and items tables is a holdover from a now defunct feature of Koha.. again, iirc
19:22 wizzyrea yep, sup
19:23 jcamins Yeah, it's really cool. But they have that and no unambiguous way of representing the location of an article in a book?
19:23 jwagner I'm trying to look in the 3.2 manual, and any link I click on is getting a "not found" reply.  Something going on with the site?
19:23 wizzyrea yep, probably.
19:23 jwagner e.g., in TOC, trying to click on the label creator section
19:23 wizzyrea yep
19:23 wizzyrea please try it an approximately 45 seconds.
19:24 wizzyrea an = in
19:24 chris_n wow, that's exacting ;-)
19:24 wizzyrea well, it was closer to 15, but I hate people telling me "it's still not working"
19:24 * jwagner counts .... tick ....tick .... tick
19:24 wizzyrea it's already don, refresh and retry
19:25 wizzyrea done*
19:25 jwagner I refreshed, but still get Not Found
19:25 wizzyrea I dont
19:25 wizzyrea shift+refresh?
19:26 owen Heh... Today my father in law called me for help diagnosing a printing problem on his computer. Only he was calling me from his car.
19:26 wizzyrea heh, poor owen
19:27 wizzyrea do you have a caching proxy, jwagner?
19:27 chris_n wizzyrea: fwiw, it does not work from here either
19:27 wizzyrea dk why anybody would still do that but I suppose it's possible
19:27 jwagner Refreshing isn't helping.  The link it's trying to go to is[…]manual/x4270.html -- no proxy
19:27 wizzyrea oh I know
19:27 wizzyrea 1s
19:27 chris_n she's getting faster all the time ;-)
19:28 owen :D
19:28 wizzyrea how about now (it was cached on the server)
19:28 cait jcamins: wait until you discover the fields for globes
19:28 chris_n hmm... still no good here
19:29 jwagner Yep -- got there now!
19:29 jwagner (after refreshing again)
19:29 wizzyrea sorry, I'm logged in so it doesn't send me to the cache
19:29 owen wizzyrea: Do those anchor names change regularly? "#AEN1682"
19:29 wizzyrea i'm not really sure
19:30 * wizzyrea hates docbook.
19:30 wizzyrea just sayin.
19:30 chris_n works here now too after clearing my local cache... duh
19:30 wizzyrea i think they probably do change, yes
19:30 wizzyrea as nengard adds stuf
19:30 wizzyrea f
19:30 * owen grumbles about that
19:31 wizzyrea I would have to verify though
19:31 owen I'd like to be able to link directly to an individual preference
19:31 owen I thought I could, but I just tried a link I put in a while ago and it didn't work
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19:32 * chris_n` cracks the whip over chris_n
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19:35 chris_n`` ouch.. another one of us
19:35 wizzyrea I would like to find a better way to shoehorn this docbook manual into the website
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19:35 * jwagner thinks the more chris_n variants, the better. Then they can work on simultaneous but separate projects :-)
19:35 chris_n wizzyrea: a chron job perhaps
19:35 chris_n lol
19:35 wizzyrea it's already on cron.
19:36 wizzyrea updates weekly on sunday
19:36 chris_n maybe a script that watches for changes and uploads accordingly?
19:36 wizzyrea it's not the changes that I'm concerned about
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19:38 wizzyrea it's 1. the apparent unease of deep linking due to the anchors changing all the time, 2. the paths for the images/links aren't always correct due to bad regex (was working on that, is why it was broken earlier) 3. it's not as pretty as it could be
19:39 * wizzyrea is not feeling very cheery today.
19:39 * chris_n is victim to a small thunderstorm atm, sorry
19:39 * cait sends wizzyrea more chocolate ;)
19:39 jcamins Raspberry walnut fudge?
19:39 wizzyrea :) thanks. German chocolate to boot!
19:40 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:40 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 35.0�C (3:20 PM EDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
19:40 owen Ouch
19:40 chris_n yup
19:40 owen @wunder 45701
19:40 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 29.4�C (3:35 PM EDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Steady).
19:40 chris_n trade?
19:40 * jcamins sends wizzyrea homemade raspberry walnut fudge
19:41 wizzyrea :)
19:41 owen chris_n, you'd better wait on trading until you hear brendan's offer
19:41 wizzyrea @wunder Lawrence, ks
19:41 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 31.8�C (2:43 PM CDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM CDT this evening...
19:41 jwagner @wunder 20740
19:41 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 33.7�C (3:43 PM EDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising).
19:41 chris_n heat index is presently 38.3 C
19:41 jcamins Oops. Don't click "mandatory" on subfields for tags you've never heard of.
19:42 chris_n @quote add <jcamins> Oops. Don't click "mandatory" on subfields for tags you've never heard of.
19:42 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.  Quote #86 added.
19:42 chris_n @quote random
19:42 munin chris_n: Quote #81: "<owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk." (added by druthb at 09:47 AM, June 28, 2010)
19:43 chris_n @quote random
19:43 munin chris_n: Quote #64: "<jwagner> Depends on whether you're trying to get intelligent participation, or just saying we're going to do it MY way" (added by brendan at 10:58 AM, March 01, 2010)
19:43 chris_n @quote random
19:43 munin chris_n: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 05:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
19:43 chris_n ok, back to work
19:43 druthb @quote random
19:43 munin druthb: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 08:23 AM, July 14, 2010)
19:46 jcamins @marc 072
19:46 munin jcamins: A code for the subject category that is associated with the described item. (Repeatable) [a,x,2,6,8]
19:48 wizzyrea @quote random
19:48 munin wizzyrea: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 08:11 AM, July 27, 2009)
19:52 chris Morning
19:53 owen Hi chris
19:53 owen @marc random
19:53 munin owen: unknown tag random
19:53 * owen disappointed
19:54 chris Hiya owen how's things?
19:54 jwagner Morning, chris
19:54 owen Pretty good chris, you?
19:55 chris Not too bad keeping busy but that's good
19:56 * owen agrees
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19:58 chris Ohh another developer for the history, cool
19:58 * chris catches up email
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20:07 chris Someone want to come do training for me?
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20:10 chris Heh
20:10 chris Ok bus stop time for coffee bbiab
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20:15 jwagner chris, I'll come if you cover the airfare :-)
20:19 chris_n wizzyrea: you could cook up a git hook script to push a fresh copy of the manual with each commit...
20:20 wizzyrea yep, but that's not the problem
20:20 * chris_n wonders where that came from
20:20 wizzyrea updating isn't the problem
20:20 chris_n that's right
20:20 wizzyrea :/ I wish it were the problem. That one's easy to solve
20:26 chris back
20:29 wizzyrea nengard around?
20:31 chris @seen nengard
20:31 munin chris: nengard was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <nengard> let me finish this video - be back
20:32 chris im guessing shes still doing the video :)
20:32 wizzyrea meh
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20:46 richard hi
20:47 chris hi richard
20:47 richard hiya chris
20:51 wizzyrea @later tell nengard I can't find the files "tip.gif" and "important.gif" anywhere. Are you still wanting to use those?
20:51 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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21:12 cait good night/day/... all
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22:06 chris heya Nate
22:07 Nate hi chris!
22:07 Nate how goes it?
22:08 chris not too bad thanks, how bout urself?
22:08 Nate great!
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22:09 chris excellent :) I see another bywater client today eh?
22:09 Nate gotta throw some dinner together in a minute or im going to eat my own arm
22:09 chris heh
22:09 Nate You bet
22:10 Nate actually a self installed system whe decided they needed a little support
22:10 Nate and hosting
22:10 chris cool :)
22:10 Nate got their system updated for them as well so they are very happy
22:11 chris sweet
22:11 chris  <-- tres cool
22:11 Nate ive been reading about that!
22:11 Nate good stuff
22:11 Nate they are who we use for hosting as well
22:12 chris sweet
22:12 Nate k gotta cook before i drop dead. Talk to you later
22:12 Nate goodnight Koha
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22:39 brendan heya chris - #koha about to get overloaded with trainees - all coming in on mibbit
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22:40 LBA Hi all, getting a nice day of Koha training from Brendan today. Cheers!
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