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22:40 LBA Hi all, getting a nice day of Koha training from Brendan today. Cheers!
22:39 brendan heya chris - #koha about to get overloaded with trainees - all coming in on mibbit
22:12 Nate goodnight Koha
22:12 Nate k gotta cook before i drop dead. Talk to you later
22:12 chris sweet
22:11 Nate they are who we use for hosting as well
22:11 Nate good stuff
22:11 Nate ive been reading about that!
22:11 chris http://openstack.org/ <-- tres cool
22:11 chris sweet
22:10 Nate got their system updated for them as well so they are very happy
22:10 chris cool :)
22:10 Nate and hosting
22:10 Nate actually a self installed system whe decided they needed a little support
22:09 Nate You bet
22:09 chris heh
22:09 Nate gotta throw some dinner together in a minute or im going to eat my own arm
22:09 chris excellent :) I see another bywater client today eh?
22:08 Nate great!
22:08 chris not too bad thanks, how bout urself?
22:07 Nate how goes it?
22:07 Nate hi chris!
22:06 chris heya Nate
21:12 cait good night/day/... all
20:51 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:51 wizzyrea @later tell nengard I can't find the files "tip.gif" and "important.gif" anywhere. Are you still wanting to use those?
20:47 richard hiya chris
20:47 chris hi richard
20:46 richard hi
20:32 wizzyrea meh
20:32 chris im guessing shes still doing the video :)
20:31 munin chris: nengard was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <nengard> let me finish this video - be back
20:31 chris @seen nengard
20:29 wizzyrea nengard around?
20:26 chris back
20:20 wizzyrea :/ I wish it were the problem. That one's easy to solve
20:20 chris_n that's right
20:20 wizzyrea updating isn't the problem
20:20 * chris_n wonders where that came from
20:20 wizzyrea yep, but that's not the problem
20:19 chris_n wizzyrea: you could cook up a git hook script to push a fresh copy of the manual with each commit...
20:15 jwagner chris, I'll come if you cover the airfare :-)
20:10 chris Ok bus stop time for coffee bbiab
20:10 chris Heh
20:07 chris Someone want to come do training for me?
19:58 * chris catches up email
19:58 chris Ohh another developer for the history, cool
19:56 * owen agrees
19:55 chris Not too bad keeping busy but that's good
19:54 owen Pretty good chris, you?
19:54 jwagner Morning, chris
19:54 chris Hiya owen how's things?
19:53 * owen disappointed
19:53 munin owen: unknown tag random
19:53 owen @marc random
19:53 owen Hi chris
19:52 chris Morning
19:48 munin wizzyrea: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 08:11 AM, July 27, 2009)
19:48 wizzyrea @quote random
19:46 munin jcamins: A code for the subject category that is associated with the described item. (Repeatable) [a,x,2,6,8]
19:46 jcamins @marc 072
19:43 munin druthb: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 08:23 AM, July 14, 2010)
19:43 druthb @quote random
19:43 chris_n ok, back to work
19:43 munin chris_n: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 05:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
19:43 chris_n @quote random
19:43 munin chris_n: Quote #64: "<jwagner> Depends on whether you're trying to get intelligent participation, or just saying we're going to do it MY way" (added by brendan at 10:58 AM, March 01, 2010)
19:43 chris_n @quote random
19:42 munin chris_n: Quote #81: "<owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk." (added by druthb at 09:47 AM, June 28, 2010)
19:42 chris_n @quote random
19:42 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #86 added.
19:42 chris_n @quote add <jcamins> Oops. Don't click "mandatory" on subfields for tags you've never heard of.
19:41 jcamins Oops. Don't click "mandatory" on subfields for tags you've never heard of.
19:41 chris_n heat index is presently 38.3 C
19:41 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 33.7�C (3:43 PM EDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising).
19:41 jwagner @wunder 20740
19:41 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 31.8�C (2:43 PM CDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM CDT this evening...
19:41 wizzyrea @wunder Lawrence, ks
19:41 owen chris_n, you'd better wait on trading until you hear brendan's offer
19:41 wizzyrea :)
19:40 * jcamins sends wizzyrea homemade raspberry walnut fudge
19:40 chris_n trade?
19:40 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 29.4�C (3:35 PM EDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Steady).
19:40 owen @wunder 45701
19:40 chris_n yup
19:40 owen Ouch
19:40 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 35.0�C (3:20 PM EDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
19:40 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:39 wizzyrea :) thanks. German chocolate to boot!
19:39 jcamins Raspberry walnut fudge?
19:39 * cait sends wizzyrea more chocolate ;)
19:39 * chris_n is victim to a small thunderstorm atm, sorry
19:39 * wizzyrea is not feeling very cheery today.
19:38 wizzyrea it's 1. the apparent unease of deep linking due to the anchors changing all the time, 2. the paths for the images/links aren't always correct due to bad regex (was working on that, is why it was broken earlier) 3. it's not as pretty as it could be
19:36 wizzyrea it's not the changes that I'm concerned about
19:36 chris_n maybe a script that watches for changes and uploads accordingly?
19:36 wizzyrea updates weekly on sunday
19:35 wizzyrea it's already on cron.
19:35 chris_n lol
19:35 chris_n wizzyrea: a chron job perhaps
19:35 * jwagner thinks the more chris_n variants, the better. Then they can work on simultaneous but separate projects :-)
19:35 wizzyrea I would like to find a better way to shoehorn this docbook manual into the website
19:35 chris_n`` ouch.. another one of us
19:32 * chris_n` cracks the whip over chris_n
19:31 owen I thought I could, but I just tried a link I put in a while ago and it didn't work
19:31 owen I'd like to be able to link directly to an individual preference
19:31 wizzyrea I would have to verify though
19:30 * owen grumbles about that
19:30 wizzyrea f
19:30 wizzyrea as nengard adds stuf
19:30 wizzyrea i think they probably do change, yes
19:30 chris_n works here now too after clearing my local cache... duh
19:30 wizzyrea just sayin.
19:30 * wizzyrea hates docbook.
19:29 wizzyrea i'm not really sure
19:29 owen wizzyrea: Do those anchor names change regularly? "#AEN1682"
19:29 wizzyrea sorry, I'm logged in so it doesn't send me to the cache
19:29 jwagner (after refreshing again)
19:29 jwagner Yep -- got there now!
19:28 chris_n hmm... still no good here
19:28 cait jcamins: wait until you discover the fields for globes
19:28 wizzyrea how about now (it was cached on the server)
19:28 owen :D
19:27 chris_n she's getting faster all the time ;-)
19:27 wizzyrea 1s
19:27 wizzyrea oh I know
19:27 jwagner Refreshing isn't helping. The link it's trying to go to is http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/x4270.html -- no proxy
19:27 wizzyrea dk why anybody would still do that but I suppose it's possible
19:27 chris_n wizzyrea: fwiw, it does not work from here either
19:27 wizzyrea do you have a caching proxy, jwagner?
19:26 wizzyrea heh, poor owen
19:26 owen Heh... Today my father in law called me for help diagnosing a printing problem on his computer. Only he was calling me from his car.
19:25 wizzyrea shift+refresh?
19:25 wizzyrea I dont
19:25 jwagner I refreshed, but still get Not Found
19:25 wizzyrea done*
19:24 wizzyrea it's already don, refresh and retry
19:24 * jwagner counts .... tick ....tick .... tick
19:24 wizzyrea well, it was closer to 15, but I hate people telling me "it's still not working"
19:24 chris_n wow, that's exacting ;-)
19:24 wizzyrea an = in
19:23 wizzyrea please try it an approximately 45 seconds.
19:23 wizzyrea yep
19:23 jwagner e.g., in TOC, trying to click on the label creator section
19:23 wizzyrea yep, probably.
19:23 jwagner I'm trying to look in the 3.2 manual, and any link I click on is getting a "not found" reply. Something going on with the site?
19:23 jcamins Yeah, it's really cool. But they have that and no unambiguous way of representing the location of an article in a book?
19:22 wizzyrea yep, sup
19:22 chris_n jcamins: the entire system of biblio, biblioitems, and items tables is a holdover from a now defunct feature of Koha.. again, iirc
19:22 owen Wow, like a hash for a printed book
19:22 jwagner wizzyrea, online?
19:22 munin jcamins: Used to assist in the identification of antiquarian books by recording information comprising groups of characters taken from specified positions on specified pages of the book, in accordance with the principles laid down in various published guidelines. (Repeatable) []
19:22 jcamins @marc 026
19:21 jcamins There are some really strange MARC tags, incidentally.
19:21 jcamins It's a shame we never had call numbers in our records... I would definitely take advantage of that feature, otherwise.
19:20 nengard let me finish this video - be back
19:20 cait "Notation" is the German word
19:20 cait or classification number
19:20 jcamins Huh.
19:20 chris_n jcamins: biblio.callnumber iirc
19:20 cait more a notation perhaps
19:19 jcamins chris_n: The bib has a call number?
19:19 chris_n nor a cataloger
19:19 chris_n but then I'm not a librarian
19:19 * chris_n has yet to figure out why the bib has a call number
19:19 nengard thank goodness that worked!!!!
19:19 chris_n nengard: welcome to a very confusing phenomena
19:19 cait ah, copy number
19:18 jcamins Yeah, 952t is copy number.
19:18 nengard i did not know there were two call numbers i could use
19:18 chris_n jcamins: that would make sense with my data
19:18 * chris_n thinks we need to teach munin koha's use of the 9xx fields
19:18 nengard chris_n let me try itemcallnumber
19:18 jcamins I can confirm that for you in a moment.
19:18 jcamins chris_n: 952t should be copy number, I think.
19:17 cait let me check
19:17 chris_n cait: do you know what koha uses it for?
19:17 cait everything with a 9 is a local field
19:17 chris_n I was wondering as I see 'strange' numbers in mine
19:17 cait koha specific
19:17 cait it's local
19:16 munin chris_n: unknown tag 952
19:16 chris_n @marc 952
19:16 munin chris_n: unknown tag 952t
19:16 chris_n @marc 952t
19:16 chris_n etc
19:16 chris_n bibs with no callnumber don't have one printed
19:16 chris_n I also tried a layout of 'itemcallnumber, 952t' and get what I would expect to get
19:15 chris_n when I do a layout for 'callnumber, 952t' I get what I would expect in the resulting pdf
19:15 chris_n but some have 952t
19:15 chris_n many of my bibs do not have callnumber populated
19:14 chris_n nengard: ok
19:12 nengard list of repos here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_Git_Repositories
19:12 chris_n is the most current
19:12 chris_n jwagner: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-fbc.git;a=summary
19:11 jwagner chris_n, you have a git repo somewhere, right? Is there someplace I can look to see if I have all the patches?
19:10 nengard i did choose only items that had call numbers to print - but they don't all have 952t
19:10 chris_n nengard: my first impulse is to say it looks like more data problems, but I'll try it out here... om
19:09 chris_n jwagner: but the problem I'm recalling was not related I think... I'd have to do more digging as it came up on irc
19:08 chris_n jwagner: you could do it that way, assuming you never wanted those items to show
19:08 nengard no labels
19:08 nengard okay i have a batch of labels I choose to print the spine labels the spine label template says callnumber, 952t should print on it but when i export i get a blank pdf and a blank csv for download
19:07 jwagner Or since it's doing a >= search, maybe it needs more
19:07 chris_n nengard: I'll need a little more info... :)
19:07 jwagner chris_n, would the fix just be to exclude 0000-00-00 dates from the search?
19:06 nengard maybe i have the wrong field in place
19:06 * chris_n draws a blank
19:06 * owen has a branch or two like that... A hopeful name but no work
19:06 nengard labels
19:06 nengard i'm doing spine lables
19:06 chris_n but I may be remembering wrong
19:06 nengard chris_n there you are :) my label maker guru - any ideas about this blank pdf issue?
19:06 cait i think I did barcode labels
19:06 chris_n seems there was a lack of support for ansi-sql date formatting in C4::Dates
19:06 chris_n jwagner: sorry, but I found a git branch entitled 'searchfix' with no work... I seem to remember thinking about fixing some search date issues, but then must have been distracted
19:06 owen nengard: Me too in my last quick test, but I didn't have time to investigate
19:05 nengard i'm back ... has anyone used the label creator? I'm getting blank PDFs and empty CSV files
19:04 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5038 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Checkout by hour
19:04 briceSanc hello, i'm the personn who report bug 5038
18:58 jcamins cait: Lucky you!
18:57 cait jcamins: perhaps the same reason, although I'm really glad that our libraries catalog in our union catalog - no need to work with frameworks except for fast add and acq
18:57 * jwagner sends chocolate or tranquilizers as preferred to chris_n
18:57 * chris_n has been cogitating upon writing an XS wrapper for windows VSS and so is not in a sane state of mind atm :-P
18:57 nengard time to record a screencast - closing chat for a little bit - be back later
18:56 jcamins Which is why I wanted to ask non-catalogers. ;)
18:56 jwagner chris_n, OK, I'll go prowl through the code. Was wistfully hoping you had all your commits memorized :-)
18:56 jcamins And as a cataloger, the idea of having subfields split up is ridiculous.
18:55 chris_n jwagner: I can't remember off the top of my head, but it seems that there was a date formatting issue at one point
18:55 jcamins Yes I am.
18:55 cait don't ask me - aren't you a cataloger? :)
18:55 jcamins cait: Yeah, it makes sense on a field level, but on a subfield level?
18:55 jwagner chris_n, I think I'm missing a patch on your label designer -- you did one that eliminates accession dates of 0000-00-00 from the batch creation, didn't you?
18:54 cait short loans
18:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5038 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Checkout by hour
18:54 mib_n1566 bug 5038
18:54 * chris_n hates bugs, but lizards are 'ok'
18:54 cait jcamins: perhaps the tags you use most on the first tab and some you sometimes use on a second?
18:54 mib_n1566 hello all
18:54 jwagner chris_n, are you hiding from joetho's lizard too?
18:53 cait ah thx
18:53 * chris_n crawls out from under his desk and looks carefully over the top
18:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 major, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Create Batch on Marc Import Tool Does nothing
18:53 nengard cait bug 3999
18:53 nengard yes
18:53 jcamins Just out of curiosity, can anyone think of any instance where you would want to have some subfields from tag XXX on one tab, and other subfields from that same tag on a different tab?
18:52 cait nengard: is there a bug for the problem to create batches from import?
18:51 nengard bug closed
18:49 jwagner chris_n, online?
18:47 cait teh check boxes were on item level I think, perhaps there are no items or it shows only items of your library?
18:47 nengard owen - tried on a diff install and it worked
18:46 sekjal happened with the Messaging Preferences before
18:46 sekjal nengard: it could be a data problem. if you don't have all the right tables populated, the script may be pulling NULLs and other junk
18:46 owen nengard: Yes. I see you're logged in at NO_LIBRARY_SET. Maybe test again as a real user?
18:46 nengard you see my screenshot ... i most certainly do not have checkboxes ... and select all does nothing
18:46 nengard on the most recent HEAD from today?
18:45 owen nengard: I've definitely got checkboxes
18:45 cait although I like how the list looks - have your search results items?
18:45 nengard no checkboxes on the results
18:45 nengard cait - yeah i tried that
18:45 cait I think I searched for creation date
18:45 cait but the link from staged marc files was broken
18:44 cait nengard: installation is perhaps 2 weeks behind. they surprised me with the request, now not sure how I did it
18:44 nengard rebased today
18:44 CGI906 thanks for your help
18:44 nengard cait i just tried and attached a screenshot - no checkboxes in the most recent HEAD
18:44 CGI906 hmm ok
18:44 nengard on HEAD?
18:44 cait nengard: I created a batch of labels in my presentation
18:44 jwagner CGI906, our ultimate goal is to integrate all the Harley features (and more we're working on) back into mainline Koha with a clear upgrade path. That's a ways off yet, though.
18:43 nengard this might be an easy fix though - maybe just a template issue....
18:43 nengard cait i know - i just hate finding them
18:43 cait nengard: finding them before release is the better option
18:43 owen CGI906: No current version of Koha runs natively on Windows.
18:42 jcamins Oh well. It was a nice thought, that maybe it was a little better than it seemed at first blush. Well, I guess I know what I'll be doing this week.
18:42 owen CGI906: If you install a real version of Koha you'll be on a good upgrade path
18:42 owen CGI906: Harley is a dead end.
18:42 CGI906 but can the real Koha be installed on windows?
18:42 CGI906 my boss asked me to look into getting harley
18:41 owen CGI906: Why do you want to install Harley? Why not install real Koha?
18:41 nengard jcamins - yeah it is painful - that's why i submitted that enhancement request
18:41 owen CGI906: You could if you used a program like VirtualBox to install Linux, and then Harley on that
18:41 CGI906 anyone got an idea how
18:40 nengard joetho2 i'd love to have a bug eater :)
18:40 CGI906 i was wondering if I can install a local copy of Koha harley release on windows
18:40 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5039 blocker, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, cgi-bin/koha/labels/label-edit-batch.pl?op=new#
18:40 nengard Bug 5039
18:40 owen You're not missing anything jcamins
18:40 jwagner jcamins, it's really that painful.....
18:39 joetho2 Can he stay at your place?
18:39 joetho2 nengard - I will send my new Bug Eater
18:38 jcamins Is setting up custom frameworks really as painful as it seems, or am I missing something?
18:38 nengard uh oh - found a big bug :(
18:32 jwagner Hi cait
18:32 cait hi all
18:31 jwagner wizzyrea must not be listening :-)
18:27 * jwagner goes and hides under a table
18:27 joetho2 LIZ ! !
18:26 joetho2 if he is a her, I want to name her...
18:26 jwagner The building at Kennedy where the library lives has/had a motion sensor doorway, you see.....
18:26 joetho2 yikes
18:26 owen You're one vowel away for a much worse case
18:26 jwagner Could be worse -- when I was supporting the library down at Kennedy they were troubled by alligators strolling the hallways....
18:25 joetho2 could be worse. He looks pretty harmless.
18:25 jwagner Well, THAT's a nice new neighbor :-)
18:25 joetho2 http://www.joetho.com/pix/skink.jpg
18:24 joetho2 we have a lizard loose in our office this morning
18:05 munin 04Bug 1289: enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Bulk/global edit for MARC frameworks
18:05 nengard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1289
18:04 nengard no
18:02 jcamins Is there any way to delete or hide multiple tags at once in the Framework editor?
17:35 nengard it can wait for sunday
17:34 nengard i just pushed some updates as well - but they aren't important for immediate pushing
17:34 nengard cool
17:34 wizzyrea ok nengard, i'm running an update to the manual that may fix url's that have .html at the end
17:14 nengard thanks for testing!
17:10 owen Sanity check results: Koha 1, Owen 0
17:09 owen And indeed, if the reservedate is in the future the title doesn't appear in the holds queue
17:07 owen It uses the reservedate column
17:07 owen No, I'm wrong again.
17:00 owen Nothing got saved in the reserves table
17:00 owen Looks like nothing.
16:56 nengard what i have never tested is what happens if you put a hold start date in
16:56 owen I was confusing what section of the template I was in
16:56 owen Ah, I see it now
16:56 nengard was just testing
16:56 nengard the hold date in the future is the one with a preference, the hold expiration date is alwyas there
16:55 nengard yes
16:55 owen Setting a date in the "hold not needed after" field sets a value in reserves.expirationdate, so the "hold not needed after" label is correct.
16:53 nengard trying to find it now
16:53 nengard or i thought there were
16:53 nengard there are 2 prefs
16:45 owen I've never tested it myself
16:44 wizzyrea it would seem that way
16:44 owen Shouldn't that be "hold not needed before?"
16:43 owen But that flag controls the display in the template of the "Hold Not Needed After" column.
16:42 owen Okay, sanity check: There is a OPACAllowHoldDateInFuture system pref, "Allow or don't allow patrons to place holds that don't enter the waiting list until a certain future date. "
16:02 kf bye all
15:55 wizzyrea that problem is still a weakness, I'll see what I can do to fix it
15:54 nengard changed and pushed
15:51 wizzyrea from that url
15:51 wizzyrea I do like that you can choose to find or add
15:50 wizzyrea that's really up to you, i mean the glory of the web is supposed to be deep linking, right?
15:47 nengard i can make it go to: http://irspy.indexdata.com/ instead of the search page
15:47 nengard let me see if i can find another url
15:47 wizzyrea lemme see if I can fix it. Prepare for manual breakage.
15:47 nengard ick
15:46 wizzyrea because there's a .html on the end it thinks it needs to append the goodies on.
15:46 wizzyrea yea, that's why
15:45 wizzyrea seems likely
15:45 wizzyrea i wonder if it's because of the html on the end
15:44 wizzyrea which will no worky.
15:44 wizzyrea but this is what it's outputting: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=http://irspy.indexdata.com/find
15:43 nengard <ulink url="http://irspy.indexdata.com/find.html">http://irspy.indexdata.com/find.html</ulink>
15:43 nengard <ulink url="http://bugs.koha-community.org">http://bugs.koha-community.org</ulink>
15:43 nengard i see no difference between these two:
15:41 nengard and i'm checking the code now
15:41 nengard i found the email
15:41 wizzyrea I don't have the email right in front of me lol :)
15:41 wizzyrea hrm
15:41 wizzyrea right I wonder what's different about them
15:41 nengard but these all work a-ok -- http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a11294#AEN11297
15:40 nengard i have to go check that email - i forget what link it was :) hehe
15:40 wizzyrea I don't think you want to key it to k-c.org
15:39 wizzyrea well
15:39 nengard maybe there is something i can do to fix it on my end
15:39 nengard is that what it's doing with all links? I thought some of them worked right ... off to check
15:39 wizzyrea the script has to format all links to be findable at koha-community, it can't really tolerate relative links, so it has to tack on http://koha-community.org/...etc to the front of each one. I'm sure there's a better way, so I'll try to figure it out.
15:35 wizzyrea oh and re: the link you sent me
15:34 wizzyrea k
15:31 nengard wizzyrea when you get a chance can you pull the manual to the site? I have added a new appendix that chris has been waiting for
15:18 wizzyrea I like it, it seems pretty flexible
15:18 wizzyrea yea, I need one for the NEKLS site too
15:17 nengard i was trying to find a tool to use for a directory on one of my sites
15:17 nengard oh - maybe i should try it again then
15:17 wizzyrea so I'm keen to pimp on connections ;)
15:17 wizzyrea the dev for the plugin actually fixed a fairly serious bug that would have prevented me from using it over the weekend
15:16 wizzyrea http://connections-pro.com/
15:16 nengard wizzyrea which plugin did you use for this? or did you not use a plugin
15:12 jcamins wizzyrea++
15:12 jcamins Ooh.
15:12 wizzyrea (do note, if you are logged in, you will see aa Name of Company. This does not show up to non-logged in users)
15:11 wizzyrea alright, please try to break http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
15:01 nengard hmmm
15:00 gmcharlt oddly, it does not cause authority record updates to be logged
15:00 gmcharlt specifically bib and item creates, updates, and deletes
14:59 nengard well i know we cna't change it for 3.2 but i'll put it on my 3.4 list
14:59 nengard then i see no reason why that would be a problem
14:59 gmcharlt changes to bibs and items
14:58 nengard what does it track exactly? just cataloging actions? or other actions as well?
14:58 nengard that's what it sounds like to me!!!
14:58 gmcharlt turn this on. " is essentially FUD, in my opinion
14:58 gmcharlt nengard: "it is not advisable to
14:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4835 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, CataloguingLog pref description wrong
14:50 nengard can someone confirm that bug 4835 is a bug - if not can you explain to me what that log tracks?
14:47 jcamins gmcharlt: happy birthday!
14:43 owen wizzyrea++
14:43 wizzyrea owen: I found and squashed the bug with the listings
14:37 gmcharlt ah, I see what it's doing
14:37 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm
14:37 gmcharlt bug 2500+2500
14:37 kf owen: :)
14:37 gmcharlt lol
14:37 munin owen: Error: ":P" is not a valid command.
14:37 owen munin: :P
14:36 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, installer.pl doesn't set permissions correctly
14:36 * owen throws some leftover Bug 5K confetti
14:35 kf HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :)
14:34 gmcharlt kf: yep
14:34 kf it's your birthday?
14:34 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Follow-up fix for Bug 5013, "New patron" menu button broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f976eaa916714fba18bffc6b912220d70eeabadf> / bug 5007: fixing the syspref for IntranetBiblioDefaultView <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ebdbfc7fad8318728b6a7a2b5d644aa41df52270>
14:33 kf hi gmcharlt
14:33 owen Hi gmcharlt
14:33 wizzyrea I've been working with the dev for the plugin that does that
14:33 gmcharlt good morning
14:33 owen <a _blank="" href="http://www.katipo.co.nz target=" class="url">http://www.katipo.co.nz</a>
14:33 wizzyrea ah, indeed
14:33 owen wizzyrea: There's a problem with the company links on that continent page
14:32 wizzyrea there the specialised list link is correct too now
14:31 wizzyrea I thought I got them all, good catch
14:31 wizzyrea teh 2nd is fixed, the wiki
14:31 kf http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
14:31 wizzyrea i'd appreciate that :)
14:30 kf let me check
14:30 kf I think we have
14:30 wizzyrea I'm not sure we have that
14:30 kf and on http://koha-community.org/support/ > Koha Wiki is wrong
14:29 wizzyrea oh right, because we changed the mailing list
14:29 kf wizzyrea: can I point you to a wrong url? http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ > Primary web archives of specialised Koha mailing lists
14:28 kf wizzyrea: I like it
14:27 nengard 3 more sections and the implementation checklist will be done!! well - first draft done :) hehe
14:25 wizzyrea to be done by country next
14:25 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/continent/
14:25 * wizzyrea ducks
14:24 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5034 - update the maintainer details, correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1011ad76a0177f00a3f33964e1f8d1906980de8> / Correcting URL typo in link back to labels home page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0dd6cdd7742e998af320a1935b64cf2b25832c0f>
14:20 kf at least that's what a french speaking colleague told me :)
14:20 owen That's what I was going to guess kf
14:20 kf owen: I think perhaps IP address, they are similar to library thing for libraries
14:20 nengard owen that's what I thought - that it required registration which is why i was so confused
14:19 kf jwagner: that's what I thought too
14:19 jwagner kf, I thought the original idea of anonymous patron suggestions was that you created a dummy patron, then put that patron ID into one of the sysprefs. Then all suggestions would come in using that ID.
14:18 wizzyrea owen++ for a really great blog post
14:14 owen I assume it's like Syndetics or Amazon
14:14 owen it requires a subscription, but I'm not sure how you authorize yourself in Koha
14:12 nengard does anyone know what content Babelth?que puts in the OPAC? I'm not seeing anything with it enabled on my system
14:11 kf so perhaps both sys prefs belonged together?
14:11 kf hm interesting
14:06 owen I have it set to "0"
14:06 owen There is a preference, "AnonymousPatron," which only shows up in the old system preferences editor
14:06 kf sorry, can't test right today - if you dont find time remember me tomorrow!
14:06 owen Interesting...
14:05 nengard once i finish this section of the manual I'm working on
14:05 nengard will check in on that
14:05 kf so perhaps borrower 1 has the suggestions?
14:05 nengard that's a good point
14:05 kf I think the borrower number was to link the suggestions to one account - allow could be 1 in the database
14:04 kf I saw your mail with owen about anonsuggestions - perhaps we should check which account the anonymous suggestion is linked too
14:04 mib_q1vbe We are interested in creating a customized table for course reserves...any idea where we might can get some help?
14:04 nengard yup
14:04 kf nengard: aorund?
13:38 munin collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 24.6�C (9:40 AM EDT on July 19, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising).
13:38 collum @wunder 41011
13:37 nengard the sky has just opened up - the rain is pretty darn loud
13:27 nengard there - opac section done in implementation checklist: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commitdiff;h=5167948623c556f9d082bf846f74f707ab60c2de
13:22 jwagner Morning, jcamins
13:12 jcamins Good morning, #koha
12:58 owen If jwagner's patch for opaccolorstylesheet shows a good method for handling it, we could maybe merge opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet?
12:57 nengard updated statement: opaccolorstylesheet adds to the default; opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet replace the default; and OPACUserCSS embeds into the HTML for the page
12:57 nengard I might take your blog post and put it in as it's own appendix :)
12:56 nengard but a blog post would be great too :)
12:56 nengard gonna try to write this up in the appendix
12:56 nengard okay
12:56 nengard for me
12:56 nengard it does
12:55 owen It's the preference that by default points to "opac.css"
12:54 owen Like opacstylesheet, except pointing to a file on the Koha server instead of a remote URL
12:53 nengard owen - crap!! I found another :) what about opaclayoutstylesheet
12:53 nengard my HEAD asks for a file in the css folder still
12:52 nengard doesn't look like it was pushed ...
12:52 jwagner Most current version sent May 4
12:52 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL
12:51 jwagner Bug 4394, late April/early May
12:51 nengard jwagner, not sure, but if it was I wrote about that already in the sys prefs section - this part is for the implementation checklist appendix
12:51 owen That's exactly right nengard
12:51 owen jwagner: When did you send the patch?
12:51 nengard so opaccolorstylesheet adds to the default, opacstylesheet replaces the default and OPACUserCSS embeds into the HTML for the page
12:50 jwagner Has my patch allowing for remotely-stored opaccolorstylesheet been pushed? If so, nengard you should account for that in the docs as well.
12:50 owen ...or inaccurately named.
12:49 owen It doesn't help that they're all ambiguously named.
12:49 owen I should do a blog post about this, with diagrams.
12:49 owen So you have to duplicate or reimplement the default stylesheet in your custom stylesheet
12:48 owen opacstylesheet will completely *replace* the default Koha stylesheet
12:48 * nengard is working on the implementation checklist in the manual
12:47 nengard what about opacstylesheet vs opaccolorstylesheet
12:47 owen (I don't know how much effect it actually has in practical terms)
12:47 nengard makes sense
12:47 owen If you use OPACUserCSS it makes every OPAC page a little bit bigger because of the embedded CSS. Not as efficient.
12:46 owen opaccolorstylesheet is preferred because the browser will cache the custom stylesheet.
12:46 owen opaccolorstylesheet points to a stylesheet on the Koha server in the same directory as the standard Koha stylesheets
12:46 nengard oh yeah - that makes sense
12:46 imp .oO(until you spot the person gets angry behind the fingerprint reader, because he's unable to deal with eldery people who are unable speak english...)
12:46 owen OPACUserCSS embeds the CSS directly on the page
12:46 nengard and opaccolorstylesheet
12:45 nengard owen do you happen to know (or anyone) what the difference is between OPACUserCSS and opacstylesheet
12:45 kf magnus++ :)
12:44 imp those "we are happy to work here" signs are funny ;)
12:43 imp :)
12:43 * magnus just booked the ticket to kohacon - yay!
12:42 nengard Wanted to find a flight out of San Fran - but LAX was cheaper :(
12:42 nengard LAX security was horrible for me - I waited in line for at least an hour - not looking forward to going back there before NZ
12:39 * imp had problems at LAX to find the right terminal - even the tsa persons checked my ticked and let me inside the wrong terminal... had to explain why my ticket got already stamped after i figured out it was the wrong terminal...
12:22 druthb My first flight after 9/11 was from Love field in Dallas, to New Orleans for ALA Midwinter. When I went to the airport to head home, the metal detector *didn't* go off. With my leg, it should, and I pointed it out (probably dumb of me). They evacuated that concourse, and rescreened everyone.
12:20 jwagner (This was the first time I'd flown after 9/11 -- nobody was happy about anything)
12:20 jwagner That was the same trip where I was changing planes in Atlanta the day some idiot decided to run past security. They evacuated the ENTIRE airport and made everyone wait out in the parking lot for hours. Fortunately, I had a wheelchair for that piece. I was probably one of the few people who made my flight home that night.
12:19 druthb Well, yes.
12:18 jwagner The one good part of that trip was the tour of Mission Control. You should get SOME perks working for NASA, right?
12:18 druthb That was unusual, then. I've not had abnormal levels of trouble at Hobby. Still, that's pretty heinous.
12:18 jwagner Hobby. I was returning from a training trip to Johnson Space Center.
12:17 druthb jwagner: Bush/IAH? Hobby airport is usually better, in Houston. Bush is hell on earth, on a good day.
12:16 druthb They asked me to take my prosthetic leg off and run it through the X-ray several times at DFW. Fortunately, I was never in a big enough hurry that I couldn't appeal that to management. It's against Federal law for them to ask that.
12:15 jwagner I was once catching a very early morning flight out of Houston. In a lot of pain, walking very badly with a cane, and thus requested early boarding because I couldn't move too fast. This appeared to trigger the alert instincts, because they pulled me aside for screening while everyone else boarded. I then got to hobble aboard, tripping over everyone's luggage, etc.
12:14 druthb DFW security is really, really bad. I've seen them humiliate people a lot.
12:13 collum The only problem with LAX is changing terminals. You still have to get on a bus. No trams.
12:12 collum DFW flagged my entire family once. My youngest was 3 at the time. They made him raise his arms and used a portable metal detector on him. It was annoying and cute at the same time.
12:11 magnus ouch
12:10 druthb being a fairly normally-configured male seems to help. I watched at Dallas Love Field once while they "randomly" selected only women for additional screening. Anyone with a disability, or who doesn't *look* like a normally-configured person, is a target.
12:08 * magnus heaves a sigh of relief and sympathizes with everyone else... ;-)
12:08 magnus cool!
12:08 druthb Since you're not "entering", shouldn't have to deal with Customs, either.
12:08 jwagner magnus, changing planes isn't usually a problem, unless you're exiting international and going domestic. Problem is with coming into the airport from outside
12:07 magnus oooh, sounds good
12:07 druthb change-of-planes shouldn't be too bad, magnus. you won't have to deal with TSA, probably, coming from international, going international.
12:06 * magnus wonders how much hassle a change of planes at LAX will be...
12:03 druthb Since they have absolute power over who flies, and who does not, it's safe to assume that some number of them have been absolutely corrupted by that power, and will use it to be abusive to travelers. I see it *all* the time.
12:01 druthb They have policies and procedures for dealing with amputees, and with transgendered persons, but their "training" consists of putting out the bulletin for the apes to read. So I get treated differently--and badly--at each different airport.
12:01 * kf adds one more word to her vocabulary list
12:01 kf thx :)
12:00 nengard and ha ha druthb
12:00 nengard oh i was right
12:00 nengard transportation security administration? -- the security guys who you have to see before getting on the plane
12:00 druthb Transportation Security Administration--the thugs at the airport security checkpoints.
11:59 druthb The things that make you not-very-normal do not show on a body scan, nengard. ;-)
11:59 kf TSA?
11:59 nengard lately TSA has been the easiest part of my travel
11:59 nengard LOL
11:57 * druthb has told her bosses that if she can get there by train, that's preferred. amputee + TSA == misery; amputee + transsexual + TSA == whole_new_levels_of_pain_and_suffering.
11:47 nengard just that it shouldn't take 13 hours to get from home to GA in a plane - I can drive it in that
11:46 nengard but the other planes and flights were a-ok since i was upgraded to first class and had a nice sized seat and free snacks
11:46 nengard The tini tiny itty bitty plane from ATL to Augusta was not pleasant - especially with the 300lb 6ft tall man in the tini tiny seat next to me :(
11:45 druthb nengard: I know you had a passel of delays, particularly at ATL, but were the flights themselves any worse than usual (is no such thing as a truly-pleasant flight any more, IMO.)
11:42 kf I was lucky with my trains - all ac working. but still travelling in thsi weather is exhausting
11:41 nengard yeah, i'm trying to think happy positive thoughts after an insane week last week with a few crappy flights
11:40 nengard ha
11:40 kf nengard: happy monday? sounds like an explosive mixture
11:36 magnus just a guess, based on the people showing up ;-)
11:36 jwagner It's morning already???
11:36 jwagner Hi magnus
11:33 magnus or, to make a long story short: good morning usa! ;-)
11:32 magnus hiya jwagner
11:31 magnus hiya nengard
11:31 nengard happy monday morning all
11:18 wasabi fyi: my zebra -indexing problems where caused by bad/old koha2.2 fwrks
11:01 wasabi then import your MARC file into Koha
11:00 wasabi then use marcedit to *convert* your csv file to a MARC file
11:00 wasabi much easier for you to work with!
10:59 wasabi nah, dump it out of your database to a cvs file ;)
10:58 tance to my cataloging
10:58 tance can i do this from the mysql database to import excel data
10:50 wasabi you might need to use a perl script, if your data is bad or tricky
10:48 wasabi to http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/index.php
10:47 wasabi tance, marcedit for windows is what some people use
10:46 tance can anybody help me \
10:46 tance how can i do this
10:46 tance i want to import some excel data in koha kataloging:
10:46 wasabi cheers chris/kf, this will help alot
10:44 tance incoming from borrowers
10:43 chris misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl is for items
10:43 chris and its only for unimarc wasabi
10:43 chris sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl
10:43 wasabi oops, that script does the other-way-round
10:42 chris thats not it
10:41 wasabi http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/migration_tools/upgradeitems.pl;h=10c754433acd391150ddfec7e616ac729194807f;hb=HEAD
10:40 wasabi right, i have found that...
10:39 kf there is a script to build marcxml from items table
10:39 kf ah, sorry, perhaps I misunderstood your question :(
10:39 kf wasabi: searching... :)
10:39 wasabi oooh, where kf?
10:39 chris incoming from hirings?
10:39 kf wasabi: yes
10:39 wasabi i have a feeling i've seen one about?...
10:38 wasabi ive a Q, is there a script about to build bi.marcxml blobs from the bib/bibitems/items tables
10:30 tance koha generates raports about the incoming from hirings ?
10:29 tance very much
10:29 chris http://www.loc.gov/marc/umb/
10:29 tance ok thanks
10:29 chris you probably need to learn about MARC
10:28 chris http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x3642#AEN3645
10:27 tance but i dont knw where ate located in the framework it's complicated for me
10:26 tance title , author, genre,
10:25 tance with this filed :
10:25 tance and i want to do a framework
10:24 tance i am new user of koha
10:24 chris no problem
10:24 tance hello chris
10:23 saqb Thank you so much
10:23 saqb sir
10:23 saqb ok
10:22 chris use C4::Context;
10:22 chris is the change, its just a matter off adding
10:22 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=C4/Bookfund.pm;h=83d41cfd9f23ba4845e17009ed2e96387f8c984f;hp=2624edee654cc723f137607f7b4580fa67bb42e3;hb=00ae9755e891d480119c020345882383da25ed50;hpb=2031988e5d9da719be13df2387ec76462d7caf3c
10:22 chris you can make that change yourself, or wait for the next release
10:22 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=00ae9755e891d480119c020345882383da25ed50
10:21 saqb so what i have to do now?
10:21 chris was fixed on the 7th of july
10:19 saqb 3.00.06.010
10:19 saqb 3.0.0.6
10:19 chris what version of koha are you running
10:18 saqb kindly guide me ..
10:18 saqb Can't locate object method "dbh" via package "C4::Context" (perhaps you forgot to load "C4::Context"?) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Bookfund.pm line 398.
10:18 saqb i have a problem in koha
10:18 chris hi
10:17 saqb hi
10:01 chris hi tance
09:56 tance hello every body
09:42 magnus i see
09:39 chris then we might do a couple of days coding
09:39 chris the first 2 days will mostly be talks, sharing knowledge etc
09:39 chris pretty much :)
09:38 magnus heh, so there's hacking until noone can take anymore? ;-)
09:37 chris or maybe the 2nd .. depends on how many people are still around :) friday and saturday will be the important days tho
09:37 magnus ok, thanks a lot! off to search for tickets then
09:37 chris yep
09:36 magnus a ha, so last day is monday November 1, right?
09:35 chris mon, tue, wed, conference, thursday morning off afternoon to levin, fri, sat, sun, mon developer conference
09:35 chris 3 days of conference, then the trip to levin, then 4 day developer conference
09:33 magnus sorry, i'm slightly confused by the kohacon program - when is the last day of the hackfest? October 31? http://kohacon.appspot.com/ says "Dates October 25 - November 2 2010"
09:32 chris yup
09:29 magnus chris around?
08:54 kf :)
08:53 magnus kf: sounds like a good plan! ;-)
08:52 kf magnus: making time is the only way. I will make time to apply for a credit card and passport this week.
08:52 magnus kf: interesting! i'll *make* the time this week
08:51 kf magnus: I saw that flights from stuttgart are the same price for me as from frankfurt - about 1300 euro, but had not much time for research last week
08:50 kf magnus: just let me know :)
08:49 kf chris: will do, but I think we will first update the system and I will try with another language
08:49 magnus hi kf (i'll book my tickets this week, for sure!)
08:49 kf :)
08:49 * wasabi waves at kf too
08:49 kf hi magnus
08:48 magnus hiya chris, wasabi et al
08:48 chris hi magnus
08:48 wasabi heya magnus
08:48 wasabi glitchy encoding in bib records and yaz-marcdump fun
08:47 wasabi looks like a night of rebuild_zebra.pl fails, for me...
08:45 chris you might want to talk to fredericd about that, i have no idea how he set up the preferences for translation
08:43 kf I think there is a bigger problem, because the sys prefs are not translated at all
08:42 kf ok, it works with English -not with German
08:42 kf will do
08:41 chris check the .pref files
08:39 kf ok, I think we will update the installation and I will test a bit more
08:38 kf our system is a few updates behind, but only a week or so
08:38 kf I have 7 systempreferences with yes and no
08:37 chris it should be 0
08:37 chris yeah that's not right
08:36 kf chris: the value in system preference table is 'no'
08:36 kf ah
08:34 kf ok, will try to find out what the problem is.
08:33 kf hm, strange
08:32 chris last=least
08:32 chris at last not in master
08:31 chris i dont think memcached is being used with systempreferences
08:30 kf chris: not sure it's a problem of our installation or a general one, the first problem was the acq framework, the second was a syspref. I activated singlebrnachmode by accident and was not able to deactivate it (and not able to show holds in opac because of the known bug :( )
08:29 kf chris: I think we have a bigger problem with memcache
08:22 chris excellent :)
08:22 kf I think they even liked the acq presentation :)
08:21 kf yes
08:20 chris presentations all finished?
08:20 chris hiya kf
08:19 kf hi chris, wasabi and nahuel
08:19 nahuel ok thanks dudes
08:01 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
08:01 chris @later tell gmcharlt happy birthday!
07:53 chris 952u at item level
07:52 chris thats if its at the biblio level
07:51 chris thats one place
07:50 wasabi 852$u in marc21
07:49 nahuel (good morning kf )
07:49 nahuel Can someone tell me in which field/subfield we can put URLs ?
07:21 kf good morning #koha