IRC log for #koha, 2010-07-10

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05:12 chris jransom++ #great response to the negative comment
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05:40 cait1 good morning äkoha
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07:27 cait1 @wunder Konstanz
07:27 munin cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 24.2�C (9:27 AM CEST on July 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady).
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08:00 chris hi cait
08:01 cait hi chris
08:13 chris we dont have a 'i forgot my password' thing in koha eh?
08:13 cait no
08:13 cait but it would be a nice features
08:13 cait feature
08:20 chris yeah, i saw the evergreen devs talking about it,ill put it on the list
08:22 cait :)
08:23 chris only will work for ppl with an email address, but thats lots of people these days
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08:29 pastebot "chris" at pasted "mod_perl circ" (13 lines) at
08:29 chris @later tell brendan
08:29 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
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13:52 Genji with zebra, there is no way to return just one field instead of a whole record?
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16:07 cait hi koha
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17:58 chris_n heya pianohack (er)
17:58 pianohack Hi, chris_n
17:58 chris_n question about the systempreference table in light of the new editor
17:59 chris_n are the systempreference.options and systempreference.explanation fields still used?
17:59 chris_n or just variable, value, and type?
18:00 * chris_n is hacking up some local prefs code
18:05 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:05 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 32.0�C (8:00 PM CEST on July 10, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
18:06 cait chris_n++
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18:18 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "system preference types" (17 lines) at
18:18 chris_n chris, gmcharlt, whoever, are all of those types correct?
18:18 * chris_n wonders about NULL
18:19 gmcharlt yeah, there shouldn't be a null type
18:19 chris_n and the blank as well
18:19 gmcharlt also, Upload isn't supported at present
18:19 chris_n should 'free' be capitolized?
18:20 chris_n capitalized even
18:21 gmcharlt doesn't matter, really, except for consistency
19:19 chris chris_n++
19:20 cait hi chris
19:20 chris hi cait, watching the game?
19:21 cait uuh I forgot!
19:21 chris kahu is eating his breakfast then its time to take him to play football
19:21 cait remind him not to pick up the ball :)
19:22 chris hehe
19:22 chris @wunder wellington nz
19:22 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 4.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 11, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady).
19:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:23 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 29.0�C (9:00 PM CEST on July 10, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
19:23 chris better wrap him up good, cold hands today
19:23 cait it was very warm today, but it seems like we wll get some rain tonight :)
19:26 chris rain in summer is good :)
19:27 cait yes
19:27 cait we were swimming today, it was great
19:28 cait but outside of the water it was hot
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19:31 Steven anybody there?
19:31 Steven i m unable to run under crontab
19:31 chris do you get an error message?
19:31 Steven nope...
19:32 Steven is shown installing
19:32 chris what else is in your crontab, and do they run?
19:32 Steven but when the loan is overdue.....and when i check in tat time....overdue fines still remain zero
19:33 Steven this is my step to edit the crontab
19:33 Steven 1. run terminal 2.type "crontab -e"
19:34 Steven key in "* * * * * usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/
19:34 chris um
19:35 Steven then i check out a book with selected date......then i changed the system date to make it overdue....
19:35 chris its not desinged to be run continuously, just once a day
19:36 Steven i m just wondering should i need to modify b4 i run it in crontab?
19:36 chris no
19:36 chris but you will need to set environment variables
19:36 chris look at misc/cronjobs/crontab.example
19:36 Steven enlighten me pls
19:37 chris and also, running it multiple times a day will result in bad behaviour, so once you get it running you certainly dont want to be doing that
19:38 Steven i have used the example given "5 1 * * * usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/"
19:38 Steven so which mean the will run at 1:05am everyday, right?
19:38 chris yep
19:39 Steven ok.....and wat the meaning of fines grace day in circulation rules?
19:39 chris PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF are the 2 variables you need to set
19:40 chris thats how many days an item is overdue before a fine is applied
19:40 Steven ops....i put 14 is the reason not working?
19:41 chris well, there could be lots, if you dont have those 2 variables set, it wont run
19:42 chris and yes if you have 14 it wont put a fine on for 2 weeks
19:42 Steven how to set the 2 variables actually?
19:42 chris did you look at that crontab.example?
19:43 Steven bcoz i dont really understand what is stated in crontab.example
19:46 Steven pls guide me step by step
19:46 chris i have to take my son to football, im running out of time
19:46 cait steven: normally you dont need to change the example
19:46 Steven just a simple step will do
19:47 cait you just have to get your configuration right and use the crontab as in the example
19:47 Steven anybody just guide me on it
19:47 cait have you set your conditions?
19:47 Steven so wat is the files tat i need to pre-configure actually?
19:47 Steven condition?
19:48 Steven i have set the circulation rules under system pref
19:49 cait[…]?ch=x3206#AEN3449
19:49 cait you dont need to pre-configure any files
19:49 cait you need to have loan conditions with fines set up
19:50 Steven i have checked out a book with selected date.....then i change the system date to make it bcome overdue
19:50 cait and run the conjob once a day
19:50 cait ok, what is your grace period?
19:50 Steven i put it 1 day
19:50 cait ok
19:50 Steven fines day is wat?
19:50 cait fines interval?
19:50 cait dont use that if you use fines
19:50 cait leave it blank
19:51 Steven interval is 1
19:51 cait its used by french libraries to suspend a user, its used instead of fines
19:51 cait ok
19:51 cait no fine days set?
19:51 cait and check your sys prefs - search for fines
19:52 cait finesmode must be set to production to generate fines
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19:55 Steven2 i m steven
19:55 Steven2 so is there anything set wrongly with my circulation rules?
19:55 Steven2 fines day leave it blank?
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19:58 Steven2 anybody?
19:59 cait yes
19:59 cait leave fine day blank
20:00 cait but more importatn: administration > sys prefs finemode
20:00 cait set finemode to production
20:00 cait with your settings of fine interval 1 and grace period 1 you should get a fine 2 days after the due date
20:00 cait so if the due date is today, first fine is set on tuesday
20:01 cait the calendar can also be important, check for holidays and your syspref settings how to deal with that
20:01 cait a search for fine in the syspref editor will bring up the importatn settings
20:02 Steven2 so i have set "5 4 * * * usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/"
20:03 Steven2 so the will run at 4.05am everyday?
20:04 cait Im dont know about the right setting, never changed them
20:04 cait ok, I dont know how the time setting in cron jobs work
20:04 cait I took them as they werw
20:04 cait and for testing i start manually
20:05 Steven2 manually?
20:05 Steven2 u mean u click the file manually everyday?
20:05 cait no, for testing I start it manually, but in production we run it as a cron job
20:06 Steven2 so the fines only will be calculated once u check in?
20:06 cait no
20:06 cait koha generates fines by calendar, they are added to the account when the cron job is run
20:08 Steven2 just tested.....i m not sure the crontab run or not....
20:08 Steven2 but the book shown overdue....but fines show nothing....
20:09 cait what is the due date?
20:09 Steven2 due date is on 12/7.....i have change my system time to 15/7
20:10 Steven2 i checked the patron summary....item is overdue...but fines column show nothing
20:10 cait have you set holidays in your calendarß
20:10 Steven2 nope....didnt set anything at all
20:11 cait finemodeß
20:11 cait finemode?
20:12 Steven2 production
20:12 cait ok, im out of ideas
20:12 cait that should work, perhaps something wrong with your crontab
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20:13 Steven2 what is the problem with my crontab?
20:14 Steven2 first time when i set the crontab.....there got some sample there like "# f d..... command" i delete it oriti
20:15 Steven2 so i replaced with my setting "15 4 * * * usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/"
20:16 Steven2 m i wrongly set?
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20:17 cait sorry, battery low
20:17 Steven2 m i set wrongly?
20:17 cait ?
20:17 cait I would check my settings by running manually
20:17 cait If fines are set, you know everything is right in koha
20:18 cait and you just have to get the cronjob right
20:18 cait but its late here, time to sleep for me
20:18 Steven2 first time when i set the crontab...there got some sample like "# f d.... command " i deleted it oriti
20:18 cait I dont know much about the crontrabs
20:19 cait cron jobs... ok, really tired.
20:20 cait bye all
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20:20 Steven2 anybody there can help me
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21:33 magnus @later tell Steven there's a missing slash in your cron command, try something like "15 4 * * * /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/" - /usr/share... not usr/share...
21:33 munin magnus: The operation succeeded.
21:34 magnus in case he comes back or reads the log...
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22:57 brendan afternoon #koha

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