IRC log for #koha, 2010-07-09

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00:37 brendan @wunder 93117
00:37 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.3�C (5:33 PM PDT on July 08, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling).
00:48 chris_n pianohack: it appears that the old and new system preference editors are both in the current head
00:48 chris_n is that a bug?
00:48 pianohack Not sure. We'll probably need to rip some code out of that to bring back local-use preferences for a bit
00:49 * chris_n was sort of looking at that issue
00:49 chris_n however, it seems that the old code should be removed
00:49 chris_n ie.
00:49 chris_n and friends
00:50 pianohack yup
00:50 chris_n unless they can cohabit nicely
00:50 pianohack They can
00:50 pianohack But there's no reason for them to
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01:29 chris yeah we need definitely need localuse back before 3.2 rc1
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05:00 kmkale God morning
05:01 kmkale *good*
05:01 kmkale is there a way to give a staff access to all branches without making him a super user?
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05:07 cait good morning
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05:25 kmkale good morning cait
05:25 cait hi kmkale
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05:36 kmkale gotta go. bye all
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06:22 Amit hi chris, brendan
06:22 cait hi Amit
06:25 Amit heya cait
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07:53 CGI181 hello word
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07:54 frido hello word
07:55 frido I have a question about search behaviour of KOHA
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07:59 frido I noticed that when performing a search on ISBN index, query doesn't contains the ISBN attribut (@att 1=7)
08:00 frido It is simply the operand
08:00 frido Is it a normal behaviour ?
08:12 hdl frido: where ?
08:13 hdl on z3950 cataloguing page ?
08:16 frido hie, no simply on OPAC search in header
08:17 frido I talk about C4/
08:42 hdl frido: should be mapped to isbn
08:42 hdl strange
08:46 frido In, the ISBN index "nb" is detected and : elsif ( $index eq 'nb' ...
08:46 frido in this case, $indexes_set is set to 1.
08:47 frido it meens that the index is already in query (usefull for weighted queries)
08:47 frido That's why index 'nb' is not in query
08:48 frido $query .= " $index_plus " unless $indexes_set;
08:49 frido same behaviour with 'yr', 'acqdate' and 'ns'
08:50 frido (I use 3.2 alpha 2)
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09:01 kf hi all :)
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09:26 chris jo++
09:26 chris wb kf
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09:28 jransom evening all
09:29 chris hiya jransom, great blog post, hopefully that will finally end the spread of lies
09:29 jransom I tried to make it clear
09:30 jransom because you know sometimes it seems don't understand plain english
09:30 chris it does seem that way
09:31 jransom and wanted it clear that Jane was not involved
09:31 chris yup
09:31 larsw I'm losing contact with the Koha world---could someone give me the url to the blog post?
09:31 chris http://library-matters.blogspo[…]t-for-record.html
09:32 chris heya lars :) was just talking about you at beer oclock, how we should meet up for lunch again :)
09:32 larsw chris, yes, we should :)
09:33 jransom we have 1 place left on the KohaCon roadtrip if you hear of anyone that wants to join us
09:35 chris ill keep my ears out
09:36 jransom thanks :)
09:36 larsw jransom, well written
09:37 jransom thanks Lars - too tired to pussy foot around and want the lies stopped dead.
09:39 paul hi jransom chris & lars
09:40 paul FYI : Nimes public library is live (500k items), a PR should be written soon
09:40 chris hiya paul
09:40 chris congrats!
09:40 jransom Hi Paul
09:40 paul
09:40 paul cat = catalogue, bib = biblioth�que (library in french)
09:41 jransom Well done you!
09:42 larsw jransom, I've had two employers go bankrupt -- the process is extremely ripe for rumours, and the one things that works to battle rumors is strong, repeated pushing of facts
09:42 larsw paul, congratulations
09:48 frido hdl : do you confirm ?
09:50 hdl frido: I donot know. All I know is that I reported that a patch to detect ccl queries made troubles. But since I was not able to send unit test about that, patch is not reverted.
09:58 frido Ok, thanks
09:58 frido I may ask this in mailling list
10:09 frido bye
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11:17 druthb howdy, #koha!
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11:21 druthb hi, nengard.
11:22 nengard hello
11:22 chris hi nengard and druthb
11:23 paul good morning usa !
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11:35 jwagner @later tell pianohack Per our conversation last night, there's no visible check for branch in holds to pull in multilibrary setup, with or without independent branches on.
11:35 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded.
11:38 jwagner Morning, everyone....
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11:38 kf morning jwagner and hi al
11:38 kf l
11:38 druthb hi, jwagner and kf!
11:42 jwagner Hi kf
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11:48 hdl hi jwagner
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11:54 kf hi hdl
11:56 jwagner Bonjour hdl
11:56 hdl hi kf
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12:02 jwagner morning, owen
12:02 owen Hi
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12:27 kf hi owen
12:28 * owen is wondering if Bug 4973 has the same cause as Bug 4451
12:28 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4973 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, fails to process returns because of \r
12:28 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4451 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Batch item tool cannot process barcode file with Windows line endings
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12:30 nengard if i want a count of circ stats for the 4th of july - what is wrong with this line? I'm too tired to figure it out :)
12:30 nengard SELECT statistics.proccode as action, COUNT(statistics.datetime) as count FROM statistics WHERE DATE(statistics.datetime)= '2010-07-04' GROUP BY statistics.proccode
12:31 nengard nevermind
12:31 nengard i'm an idiot
12:33 druthb naah, it's just early.
12:34 nengard SELECT statistics.type as action, COUNT(statistics.datetime) as count FROM statistics WHERE DATE(statistics.datetime)='2010-07-06' GROUP BY statistics.type;
12:34 nengard they didn't want the 4th
12:34 nengard they wanted the first day after the 4th
12:35 nengard and no clue what proccode is
12:37 owen I don't think it is used
12:37 sekjal the statistics table is kind of funky
12:37 owen No I take it back
12:37 owen It's only used for payments it seems
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12:50 owen reading_irc_logs++ # assuming that really was the fix for Bug 4451
12:50 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4451 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Batch item tool cannot process barcode file with Windows line endings
13:06 jcamins_a Good morning.
13:08 jwagner morning
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13:35 owen Does Bug 4079 affect anyone else?
13:35 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4079 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Opening system preferences page causes session to lose information
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13:57 kf @wunder Konstanz
13:57 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.0�C (3:58 PM CEST on July 09, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling).
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14:28 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:28 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 31.0�C (4:00 PM CEST on July 09, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
14:28 kf :(
14:28 druthb @wunder 20817
14:28 munin druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 30.2�C (10:29 AM EDT on July 09, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
14:29 nengard owen, not me
14:36 wizzyrea ok, sql nub question
14:36 wizzyrea we have this report
14:36 wizzyrea and we cna't remember why we have this 1=1 construct in there
14:36 wizzyrea SELECT itemtype, items.location, COUNT(*) FROM statistics LEFT JOIN borrowers ON statistics.borrowernumber=borrowers.borrowernumber LEFT JOIN items ON statistics.itemnumber=items.itemnumber WHERE 1=1 AND datetime >= concat(date_format(LAST_DAY(now() - interval 1 month),'%Y-%m-'),'01') AND datetime <= LAST_DAY(now() - interval 1 month)AND statistics.branch LIKE '$TOWN' AND statistics.type IN ('issue', 'renew' 'localuse') GROUP BY itemtype,
14:36 wizzyrea items.location order by itemtype,items.location
14:37 wizzyrea is it shorthand for something?
14:38 jcamins It's a query optimization of some sort, I think.
14:38 owen You sometimes see the "1=1" in a script which is building the WHERE statement in pieces and it's not sure how many "AND"s there are going to be
14:39 wizzyrea ah, thanks you just triggered my memory
14:39 jcamins owen's right, not me.
14:39 jcamins In this case, the rest of the query is already optimized.
14:48 wizzyrea it would stand to reason, since we pulled this off of a canned report CSV
14:48 wizzyrea (now I remember, thanks)
14:50 jcamins My most recent bug report could apparently be applied to just about any ILS.
14:55 wizzyrea which bug?
14:55 wizzyrea this isn't the "it doesn't read my mind" bug is it? ;)
14:55 jcamins Bug 4480
14:55 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4480 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC21 033 tag and Zebra date indexing
14:56 jcamins I had it marked as an enhancement, but it's definitely a bug, because the standard says that 033 should be searchable.
14:56 jcamins So I changed it to a bug. Then I thought I'd see how other ILSes implement it. And it turns out they don't.
14:57 wizzyrea HA. well if we get it fixed, then that would make koha the only ils (that you tested) that follows the standard >.>
14:57 wizzyrea in that regard
14:57 jcamins Which would definitely be a good thing from a PR point of view.
14:57 owen I can see the ad copy now: Searches 033!
14:57 wizzyrea of course :)
14:58 kf :)
14:59 jcamins We also are well on our way to doing a better job with 76x-78x fields than other ILSes.
15:01 wizzyrea this is the kind of thing we should leverage for further encouraging the use of
15:01 wizzyrea[…]b/~3/Dp7cQYHnvmg/
15:01 wizzyrea harness the power of reddit users :P
15:04 owen I wonder if our sense of the injustice would be shared
15:04 wizzyrea well that is a valid concern
15:05 jcamins owen: was I talking with you about how useful a "duplicate item" button would be?
15:05 jcamins Because it looks like I filed bug 4533 almost two months ago and forgot about it.
15:05 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4533 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Add "duplicate item" link when editing items
15:05 owen I was saying a "Save as new" button would be nice when you have an item open for editing
15:06 owen Well... at least the bug is there :)
15:06 * owen will keep refreshing the page every minute to see if someone has fixed it
15:06 jcamins Yeah, that's what I was picturing for the "duplicate item" button.
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15:25 mib_doj47 Afternoon......would anyone be able to point in the right direct to change from GRS-1 to DOM indexing?
15:32 owen Sorry mib_doj47, it's pretty quiet around here today
15:36 mib_doj47 no problem.....I will loiter for a while!
15:44 hdl mib_doj47: yes you just have to change the koha-conf.xml to point to the zebra-authorities.cfg iirc.
15:47 mib_doj47 um, its already pointing there though, in GRS-1 mode, is there another zebra-authorities-dom.cfg ??
16:13 kf bye all and have a nice weekend
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16:20 jcamins Wow, git is pretty amazing, isn't it?
16:21 jcamins I'm just reading "git from the bottom up," and it's describing all sorts of functionality that I've wished I had.
16:21 sekjal jcamins: sure is!
16:21 gmcharlt jcamins: welcome to the cult^Wclub :)
16:26 * jwagner wonders if an early intervention would help
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16:30 sekjal argh.  somewhere in the last few weeks, I lost my new Git book
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16:43 brendan @wunder 93117
16:43 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.4�C (9:40 AM PDT on July 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising).
16:46 owen O great regex oracle, please help me understand: $coins_value =~ s/(\ |&[^a])/\+/g;
16:47 sekjal replace either a space or & followed by not 'a' with a plus sign
16:48 owen Aha, & followed by not 'a.'
16:48 owen Thanks sekjal
16:48 sekjal glad to be of regex service, owen
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16:50 druthb @roulette
16:50 munin druthb: *click*
16:50 druthb hrm.
17:12 druthb @roulette
17:12 munin druthb: *click*
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17:27 icebreake hi all
17:27 icebreake i have a query
17:28 icebreake one of my friend has a book publishing company
17:28 icebreake last night i was talking about koha
17:28 icebreake and.. he asked me.. If he can use koha for his publishing business?
17:28 icebreake i mean.. as a software in book publishing company... is it possible for him to use Koha?
17:28 icebreake the point is.. he don`t need any marc entry there in Koha
17:29 icebreake can you guys help me out to find this answer?
17:30 owen icebreake: Koha is designed a library catalog and circulation system
17:31 owen If that's what he wants, then sure.
17:31 owen But Koha isn't going to track inventory and sales and stuff like that
17:37 icebreake is there any other open source software for book publishers?
17:37 icebreake just asking
17:38 owen I don't think you'll find any book publishers here :)
17:38 icebreake :) i know
17:38 icebreake as you people are with open source world
17:38 icebreake that`s why asking. :D
17:38 icebreake :P
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18:12 * owen is defeated by bug 4901
18:12 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4901 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Title & Subtitle w/out space in Zotero
18:17 collum owen: I played with it the other day and I was unable to duplicate the problem, were you able to?
18:17 owen Yes
18:17 collum hmm?
18:18 owen collum: So your Zotero saved the title as "Library Mashups: Exploring New Ways to Deliver Library Data" instead of "Library mashupsexploring new ways to deliver library data"
18:18 collum Yep.
18:18 owen What version of Firefox and what version of the Zotero addon?
18:19 owen I've got Firefox 3.6.6 and Zotero 2.0.3
18:19 collum I don't have access to the laptop I was using.  The firefox is the most up-to-date.
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18:19 collum I'll check when I get home tonight on versions.
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18:45 collum owen: I just played with zotero at bywater's koha demo
18:45 collum if you save to zotero from opac-detail it does not work
18:45 collum but if you save from the results of opac-search it does
18:45 owen I think that bug was fixed recently
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19:39 chris morning
19:39 owen Hi chris
19:44 nengard howdy
19:45 pianohack hello
19:46 chris nengard: hope the scan results in good news
19:46 nengard yeah - got to make an appt first .... a bit too scared to do that part
19:48 * owen wonders if Friday afternoon isn't the wrong time to be sifting through
19:48 chris it will make your brain hurt
19:48 * wizzyrea would venture to say that there isn't a right time
19:48 chris thats all i can promise
19:48 * jcamins agrees with wizzyrea
19:49 jcamins Have a good weekend, everyone.
19:49 * owen would like Bug 4319 to be fixed though
19:49 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4319 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, waiting items cannot be reserved
19:49 wizzyrea there is only "the time I was sifting through"
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19:52 * owen supposes Saturday morning isn't the right time to be hearing about sifting through either ;)
20:02 * chris_n thinks there is never a good time to sift through C4::Search
20:02 chris_n and it is especially not good this late on Friday
20:03 owen I came out a little wiser I think, and Bug 4319 a little clearer I hope
20:03 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4319 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, waiting items cannot be reserved
20:03 * chris_n looks forward to that module being fixed in 3.4
20:04 nengard just read through the open bug list and nothing looks like something i can tackle ;( will have to look again next week i guess
20:05 owen nengard: I've been getting myself into all kinds of Perl trouble this week by tackling bugs over my head
20:05 chris thats the way
20:05 chris :)
20:05 nengard yeah you learn more that way
20:05 nengard but i do know that today i won't learn a thing
20:05 nengard i'm all exhaustipated
20:05 chris_n come on in, the water's fine.. as they say
20:06 nengard instead i'll try to re-write the appendix that chris wants in the new manual :)
20:06 chris yay!
20:09 owen Bug 4430 is classified as "normal" but my librarians would call it a blocker
20:09 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4430 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Staff Results Display Showing Wrong Numbers
20:11 pianohack owen: Thanks for fixing that one perl bug magnus and I were poking at
20:12 pianohack owen++
20:12 owen pianohack: Except I didn't fix it in the place you were looking at it
20:12 * owen is selfish that way
20:12 pianohack Ha, no you weren't, bastard
20:12 pianohack Thanks for fixing a bug, anyway :)
20:13 owen What else would I do with my day?
20:16 owen Isn't use of the Zebraqueue Daemon now discouraged?
20:16 chris yes it is
20:17 owen that's another update the INSTALL.ubuntu file needs then
20:18 * sekjal just killed zebraqueue daemon for a client not 20 minutes ago
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20:36 nengard chris, you know what - good thing i'm doing this it wasn't well written the first time ... maybe cause i didn't write it :) hehe
20:37 chris Hehe
20:37 nengard first secton done - a bunch more to go
20:37 chris Sweet
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20:52 pianohack nengard: What appendix is this, by the way?
20:52 nengard the implementation checklist
20:55 nengard i do like how easy it is to link things in the appendix to the right chapter/section
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20:59 chris yeah thats pretty cool
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21:03 chris nengard: thanks for the bio and photo
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21:09 nengard np
21:10 nengard chris:[…]ed59d3d6e78cbd3d5
21:11 chris that reminds me we should put up the 3.0 docs thingy
21:13 nengard i can add that link
21:13 chris cool :)
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21:14 chris we need to make sure we note that is is gplv3
21:14 chris and then drop nancy a note to say we have, she was pretty excited :)
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21:45 chris right time to take the kids out
21:45 brendan later chirs
21:45 brendan chris
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