IRC log for #koha, 2010-06-21

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00:05 jo is mib_ewn6e Brendan?
00:05 brendan nope
00:06 jo not you Brendan-who-I-know but another Brendan I am meeting in here soonish :)
00:06 jo Brendan: are you coming down to koha con?
00:07 brendan I'm not going to be making..
00:07 brendan My wife is pregnant and I'm going to use my vacation for that ;)
00:08 jo oh congratulations :)
00:14 brendan thanks
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00:42 chris yeah congrats brendan :)
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00:58 Genji hiya all!
01:06 wizzyrea_ omg brendan
01:06 wizzyrea_ a baby how exciting!
01:06 brendan :)
01:06 wizzyrea_ comgrats man
01:06 wizzyrea_ congrats, even
01:07 brendan thanks so much - I'm very excited
01:08 wizzyrea_ next time I see you we shall bounce and squee ;)
01:08 brendan heh
01:09 wizzyrea_ oh only girls do that
01:09 wizzyrea_ sorry
01:09 wizzyrea_ I shall give you a manly whack on the back
01:15 brendan excellent I'll take the manly whack
01:17 * chris_n adds his congrats to brendan
01:18 brendan heya chris_n
01:24 * chris_n painstakingly sorts out a botched koha-conf.xml :-P
02:02 chris_n and wins
02:02 chris_n
02:02 chris_n for all of those doubters among us ;-)
02:05 robin Goodness, that's running on XP. That sounds like an un-fun exercise.
02:05 chris heh
02:07 chris_n yup, its a sort of sadistic attraction I can't seem to shake
02:08 wizzyrea_ chris_n: that *is* sadistic
02:11 Genji ive done it before.. it was koha 2.x though.
02:11 chris_n in this case it is self-inflicted pain soley for the purpose of saying, "I can do it."
02:11 chris_n Genji: this is running over strawberry not activestate
02:12 Genji hmm? whats strawberry?
02:12 chris_n the open source port of perl to Win32
02:12 chris_n
02:12 Genji and how is it different to activestate?
02:15 chris_n the "enterprise" edition is free
02:18 alohalog chris_n:  i did the same thing with koha3 on my macbook
02:19 alohalog took me *ages* to get going....
02:19 wasabi oops, wrong window ;)
02:19 chris_n all koha's perl deps are available via cpan with strawberry
02:20 chris_n and most coding changes to the installer are already in the 3.1.x codebase
02:20 wasabi most of the tricky stuff for me was around osx xml libs
02:20 chris_n so at present the install is very much like a *nix install
02:20 wasabi and i was afraid i might bork my work-lappy
02:21 chris_n just a minor adjustment or two to get the zebra related perl modules to build
02:21 wasabi very well done
02:22 wasabi now find someone else to take the win32-koha port over
02:22 wasabi ... and run away!!!!
02:23 chris_n hehe
02:23 wasabi im working on a silverlight offline circ-module
02:24 wasabi not... ;)
02:24 wasabi sliverlight/adobe-air/flash
02:24 chris_n ok, enough fun (not) for the evening... time to sleep
02:26 wasabi haaay...  a koha-circ!
02:27 wasabi ok, i sssssh now... nite chris
02:27 chris_n lol, g'night
02:28 * wasabi :  pats chris_n on the back
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03:43 Amit heya chris
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04:10 brendan heya Amit
04:10 Amit heya brendan
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05:31 cait good morning koha
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06:55 Ropuch Good morning #koha
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07:00 kf good morning #koha
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07:01 Ropuch Hello kf
07:02 kf hi Ropuch
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07:06 Irinie Good morning, I sucess to import record from excel sheet to marc using marcedit. are there anway to import the items for this records also??
07:06 kf Irinie: marc21 or unimarc?
07:07 Irinie marc 21
07:07 kf so repeated 952 fields is the answer
07:07 kf give me a minute, I think there is some documentation in the manual
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07:09 Irinie ok thanks
07:09 kf Irinie: what you will need is subfields a, b (home and holding branch, can be teh same), barcode and itemtype
07:10 Irinie what I will need specially is the call number
07:11 kf there is a field for that
07:11 kf I found the documentation page, but the table is broken:[…]-manual/?ch=a9836
07:11 kf you can look at your bibliographic framework and field 952
07:12 kf or take a look at the subfields when you add an item manually, its not too difficult
07:12 kf the marc record needs 1 952 field for every item
07:12 Irinie ok it is 952$o
07:12 kf just make sure you set a and b
07:13 Irinie ok
07:13 Irinie many thanks
07:14 kf no problem
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07:39 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
07:39 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
07:40 chris hi magnus
07:40 magnus howdy chris
07:40 hdl hi all
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07:46 chris magnus: added some books to[…]ki/NZ_Pop_Culture
07:47 chris hi hdl
07:47 magnus cool! thanks chris
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08:45 kf hi hdl and chris
08:48 kf hi magnus
08:48 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:48 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.4�C (10:54 AM CEST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Rising).
08:48 magnus hi kf
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10:25 gmcharlt_ good morning
10:26 chris heya gmcharlt_
10:31 kf hi gmcharlt
10:33 Ropuch Hello chris, gmcharlt_
10:55 chris hi Ropuch
10:55 chris hows poland?
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11:03 Amit @weather New Delhi
11:03 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 44.0�C (4:00 PM IST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling).
11:03 Amit @weather Bangalore
11:03 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 29.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 21.0�C.
11:03 Amit @weather Dehradun
11:03 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 31.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.46 in 998 hPa.
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11:10 Oak @weather Islamabad
11:10 munin Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 43.0�C (4:00 PM PKT on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
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11:40 jdavidb mornin'!
11:40 chris hi jdavidb
11:40 jdavidb :)  howdy, chris.
11:41 collum good morning chris and jdavidb
11:41 jwagner Morning all....
11:42 gmcharlt_ hi jdavidb, jwagner, collum
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11:50 kf hi jdavidb
11:51 kf hi jwagner
11:51 jdavidb :D  hi, kf
11:51 * kf is a bit slow toda
11:51 kf hi collum
11:51 jdavidb It's Monday, definitely.
11:51 kf yes, definitel
11:51 kf y
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12:01 kf hi nengard
12:12 collum hi kf and gmcharlt
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12:33 owen Hi #koha
12:38 kf hi owen
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12:42 jwagner Welcome back, owen.  Did you bring back Mickey Mouse ears for everyone?
12:42 owen o_o  o_o  o_o  o_o  o_o
12:42 jwagner :-)
12:43 owen Hm, my chat client turned them into big eyeballs, but those were ascii ears for you.
12:43 gmcharlt_ eew - mouse eyeballs!
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12:44 jwagner It sure was quiet around here last week, with everyone gone....
12:45 * owen couldn't find his keys when it came time to come back to work... Anyone seen them?
12:50 chris_n lol
13:01 jdavidb 0_0
13:11 nengard ack vacations just mean more work in the long run
13:11 nengard so much to catch up
13:11 nengard and i leave again on thurs!!!
13:11 nengard okay - time to log off and do a webinar - be back after
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13:18 owen Hm... A Perl conference in my neck of the woods this week:
13:18 owen I'd rush out if they had a track for newbies
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13:29 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:41 kf hi jcamins
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14:05 jdavidb @quote random
14:05 munin jdavidb: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 12:18 PM, August 06, 2009)
14:11 jdavidb @roulette
14:11 munin jdavidb: *click*
14:12 jdavidb @roulette
14:12 munin jdavidb: *click*
14:12 jdavidb @roulette
14:12 munin jdavidb: *click*
14:12 jdavidb woo hoo!  the hoodoo is broken.  Munin apparently no longer has it in for me.
14:17 collum famous last words
14:17 jcamins Want to try again, jdavidb, just to make sure... ?
14:20 owen jdavidb or jwagner : Don't know if you know anything about it, but I'm curious what is happening with LibLime's ‡ Will it continue?
14:20 jdavidb @roulette
14:20 jdavidb was kicked by munin: BANG!
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14:20 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
14:20 * jdavidb falls over laughing.
14:21 jcamins Brilliant! Now, was that an answer to owen?
14:21 jdavidb I'm having a sign made for my office door:  "The Mushroom Patch."  The owen, clever fellow that he is, will realize that as an answer to his question.
14:22 * owen gets it! jdavidb is high.
14:22 jdavidb I should be so lucky.
14:22 owen :D
14:37 * owen wanders into Drupal-land
14:41 * jwagner sends a search party after owen
14:42 * magnus saunters into dinner- and afternoonland
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15:08 jwagner owen, online?
15:09 owen Yes
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15:09 jwagner I know there's the option of using an alternate opac-XXXX file -- is there any way to use alternatives for the other css files, like hierarchy, print, etc.?
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15:10 owen Not that I know of jwagner
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15:15 jwagner OK, thanks owen
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16:08 kf bye all
16:08 chris_n wizzyrea: for the record... sadistic = anything M$
16:08 chris_n by kf
16:08 chris_n bye even
16:09 kf bye chris_n :)
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16:10 wizzyrea haha
16:10 wizzyrea you don't have to tell me
16:10 wizzyrea the other day I was at a meeting
16:10 wizzyrea we were introducing ourselves, and we had to say the one thing we love about technology
16:10 wizzyrea and I said "I'll work on anything but microsoft"
16:11 wizzyrea "and what I love about technology is that I have the freedom to do that"
16:11 wizzyrea I think the only microsoft thing I use with any kind of regularity is MSN messenger
16:11 wizzyrea and only because I have to
16:30 * LBA waves hello and bye bye - was just checking in
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16:48 owen nengard: I don't understand your comment on Bug 4868
16:48 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4868 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Improve controls for cloning and deleting MARC subfields
16:49 nengard next to repeatable fields there is a + or - ... shouldn't they be those icons as well
16:50 gmcharlt_ yep, having them be the same icons (or similar, maybe different colors or somethign to distinguish between fields and subfields) woudl be more consistent
16:51 * owen is happy to work on that
16:51 nengard sorry i wasn't clearer
16:51 nengard trying to do 1 million things at once
16:52 nengard manual is updated with the latest commits
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16:54 * chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not
16:55 collum Now it's 1 million and 1
16:56 jdavidb @quote add *chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not
16:56 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #77 added.
16:56 nengard chris_n sorry that code is locked up in my brain :) hehe
16:57 nengard no one else would ever be able to understand anything that comes out of there
16:57 chris_n lol :)
16:57 nengard but that is like the top question I get when I speak - "how do you keep up with everything?" I honestly have no answers except that I don't sit still well
16:57 nengard I'm always doing smething
16:58 nengard something
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17:00 jdavidb @quote random
17:00 munin jdavidb: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 03:12 PM, September 25, 2009)
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17:30 jwagner @quote random
17:30 munin jwagner: Quote #31: "<@gmcharlt> but hacking Koha *should* be a restful part of any vacation ;)" (added by chris at 07:31 PM, September 02, 2009)
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17:35 cait hi #koha
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17:37 hdl bye folks
17:38 owen That's what my vacation lacked: Koha hacking
17:38 cait some people would say its not a vacation when you start hacking koha
17:38 cait but not me ;) I did the geman web installer files in my last vacation
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17:49 jwagner vacations? What are those???
17:49 * chris_n finds the 'V' section of his Webster's is missing.... :-P
17:49 jwagner Probably eaten by vampires...
17:51 cait jwagner: vampires?
17:51 cait twilight vampires or real vampires?
17:51 * jdavidb waves to cait
17:51 jwagner I have a local development involving new indexes and the allocation of three MARC fields for specialized notes.  I'm pondering turning it into a submission.  I used 591, 592, and 593 MARC fields for this purpose -- do you think it's OK to submit the framework changes to add those fields, or should I use some other (maybe a 9xx)?
17:51 jwagner cait, any kind you like :-)
17:53 jwagner I'm worried about overwriting anything a site might be using locally in 591-592-593
17:55 cait jwagner: are these fields in the framework yet?
17:56 cait when you dont do a database update, libraries using the fields shoudl be fine
17:56 cait but better ask gmcharlt or chris
17:57 cait nengard: working on bug 4900?
17:57 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4900 critical, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, sys pref useDaysMode misses option Datedue
17:57 jwagner The 59x ones aren't in the framework.  But somebody could be using them locally, like I am.
17:57 nengard cait - yes
17:57 cait ah ok, wanted to do that too, will pick on another bug :)
17:58 jcamins As a cataloger, I find 59x for custom note fields vastly preferable to 9xx. I could not speak to the technical issues, however.
17:59 jwagner I was rather curious as to what would happen if I put them into the updatedatabase script, and someone had already created them locally.
17:59 nengard hehe sorry cait
17:59 cait nengard: no problem, I will try 4474
17:59 cait bug 4474
17:59 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4474 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, sypref singleBranchMode swapped in new syspref editor
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18:28 nengard bug 4900 patched
18:28 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4900 critical, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, sys pref useDaysMode misses option Datedue
18:28 nengard was hard to figure out how to word that preferene :) but i think i did it
18:28 cait oh
18:28 cait thx :)
18:28 cait forgot I would have to change the sentence
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18:38 cait hi wizzyrea
18:39 wizzyrea_ Wb
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18:43 cait bug 4474 patched
18:43 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4474 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, sypref singleBranchMode swapped in new syspref editor
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19:46 * chris goes to catch his bus
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19:49 jcamins Is biblio.serial used for anything?
19:50 sekjal jcamins: in theory, it should indicate if the biblio is a serial record or not.  but whether it's populated or not depends on your data
19:50 sekjal by default, it maps from the 942s field
19:53 jcamins Does it matter if biblio.serial is set to yes for a monograph record?
19:56 sekjal I'm not sure... my instinct is towards 'no'... but I can't say that authoritatively
19:57 jcamins Okay, well, I'm going to assume it's not a problem, because I can't figure out why it's set to yes in the first place.
20:00 * chris clocks in from the bus
20:00 nengard jcamins i don't think it's a big deal - what it probably does is add the 'subscription' tab to the bib display in the opac and the staff client
20:03 jcamins Thank you.
20:05 sekjal nengard: just tested that, and no, the serial flag alone doesn't seem to add the subscription tab
20:05 nengard oh well - guessed wrong :)
20:05 sekjal I think it may be an older field, from before Zebra
20:08 sekjal it does add a column to the items table in the staff client's biblio detail page, however
20:08 sekjal Publication Details, which I assume is either materials specified or enumchron
20:13 chris Ok nearly my stop bbiab
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20:14 cait sekjal: perhaps its used in unimarc, I think there is a serial flag there for items
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20:18 caser Greetings!  Anyone know anything about bug 3082 - generating a report on the withdrawn status field?
20:18 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3082 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Guided reports - withdrawn status field not available for selection
20:23 caser I see it's actively being worked on.  Does anyone know the location in the database I can query on - to do it manually?
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20:28 sekjal caser:  items.wthdrawn
20:29 chris back
20:33 cait wb chris
20:33 chris thanks
20:45 caser go it - thanks!
20:45 caser er --got it
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20:51 richard hi
20:52 chris hi richard
20:55 chris meeting time bbiab
21:05 jcamins Does anyone have any advice on how to deal with bound-withs?
21:06 jcamins (i.e., two top-level bib records bound together willy-nilly into one binding, thus sharing a barcode and call number)
21:08 jcamins Other than "if you bang your head on the desk hard enough, you'll forget about the bound-withs)
21:08 jcamins *"
21:08 cait jacamins: we use dummy items in hjf
21:09 cait in hfjs library
21:09 cait not a real good solution... but it works and is not too confusing for patrons (I hope)
21:10 jcamins So only the first item has a barcode?
21:10 cait[…]biblionumber=3413
21:10 cait yes
21:10 jcamins I guess that would work for us, since we don't check books out.
21:10 cait and the second item provides a link to the first record
21:11 jcamins Oh, brilliant!
21:11 cait we overwrite bibliographic information in koha with data from our union catalog, so I had to put it in the item
21:11 jcamins I didn't know you could do that.
21:11 cait there is a footnote in the holdings in the union catalog, but its text, nothing you can do a nice link with
21:12 cait perhaps there are better solutions, but its works until I have a better idea :)
21:13 jcamins Fair enough.
21:13 cait you can have items without barcodes, but must be careful when reimporting data.
21:14 jcamins Ideally at some point Koha will support a many-many relationship between items and bibs.
21:14 jcamins In the meantime, I'll take this.
21:17 cait :)
21:18 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:18 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (11:00 PM CEST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
21:18 cait rain. what else.
21:18 cait good night all
21:19 jcamins Good night.
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21:26 caser 'night all
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21:42 pianohack Good afternoon
21:51 chris hi pianohack
21:52 pianohack Hi chris
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22:07 chris hmm server restart? or network outage
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22:07 pianohack I saw a message about a SIGTERM
22:07 pianohack Services still aren't back up
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22:11 * chris_n feels rather bounced
22:11 chris hmm yeah
22:11 richard sorry, server was restarted
22:12 chris yay
22:12 chris pianohack: can you try services now please
22:17 pianohack thar we go
22:17 pianohack thanks chris
22:18 chris cool
22:18 chris_n do services really take that long to recycle?
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22:19 chris nope i just told them to restart
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