IRC log for #koha, 2010-06-04

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00:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4844 Remove a circular dependency in <[…]18f66457846e6b298> / Fix for Bug 4504, Confirmation messages in opac account not translated <[…]48c9db0ccb73b5e54>
00:00 gmcharlt larsw: yes, I am - I don't expect there to be a particular stopping point as such over the next four days,
00:00 larsw gmcharlt, ook, then I won't bother building packages just now; will do on Tuesday when I'm back to work
00:00 gmcharlt cool
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00:10 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4205 remove extra 'plan by' option <[…]7244c320be53c15ab>
00:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3992 - New Sys Prefs Branch - Local Use Tab not Highlighted <[…]6484c3af6b320686b>
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00:49 gmcharlt @later tell owen I can haz fix of structure error in tools/batchMod-del.tmpl soon, please?
00:49 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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00:52 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3770, 'Add to list' page only allows adding to private lists <[…]17feb67d74d30230d> / Fix for Bug 3722 - Branch deletion results in incorrect message <[…]bffb5d292f7ae9229> / Fix for Bug 3926, inadvertantly resurrected by me. <http://git.koha-commu
01:02 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3081, Url's contain spaces <[…]fc621ba82317ec7ff>
01:25 chris_n gmcharlt: is Net-Z3950-ZOOM still maintained?
01:25 * chris_n notices that the last release was in 2008
01:26 gmcharlt chris_n: well, indexdata is the current maintainer, but they don't do release just for the heck of it
01:27 gmcharlt is there a specific bug?
01:28 chris_n well, there is at least one open bug against the Makefile.PL which was to be fixed in the "next release" back in 2009, but there has been no next release
01:29 chris_n anyway, I'm going to open another, but I'm not sure if it is a bug there or with E::U
01:29 chris_n for some reason extra libraries passed in do not get added to the Makefile on Win32
01:29 gmcharlt well, drop Mike Taylor a line
01:30 chris_n I'm fairly sure it is platform specific
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01:52 munin New commit(s) kohagit: set DBrev to 136 for previous patch to add edit_items <[…]d2b153f4e01bf176b> / MT2938 : Adds a permission for editing items <[…]bb88815a38925f918>
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02:06 * chris_n thinks indexdata really should keep the url's required in their test suite uptodate
02:18 gmcharlt yeah, that's been a longstanding issue
02:23 chris_n well, I just filed three bugs with them, so we'll see
02:23 * chris_n will become pestersome if he does not hear back for awhile
02:23 chris_n I even offered to send a patch for one fix
02:24 chris_n the others are beyond me
02:28 gmcharlt well, they're pretty easy-going guys, and they do accept patches
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02:53 CGI102 Hello.  Couldn't get my IRC client to work (it used to), so I'm on the web-based one.
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02:55 CGI102 Anyone here have any good information about installing Harley on Debian Lenny?  The instruction file that comes with Harley has inaccurate information.
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02:56 CGI102 Specifically, it tells you to download Koha, not Harley, and then it mentions a dependency file that doesn't exist within the Harley distrubution.
02:56 CGI102 distribution.
02:56 chris_n CGI102: you'll have to ask when jwagner or jdavidb are around... usually working hours EDT
02:57 * chris_n recommends grabbing the current alpha2 from
02:57 brendan chris_n++
02:57 CGI102 Okay.  Maybe I'll try then.  Was hoping to do this tonight, while I'm at home.
02:57 chris_n or even 3.0.6 from
02:57 brendan the best IMO would be to give git a shot
02:58 chris_n 3.0.6 is probably your best shot then
02:58 brendan with git you could install 3.2-aplha2 and also use git to pull in harley (for testing)
02:58 chris_n why do I think of a garage?
02:58 brendan heh
02:58 chris_n "pull in harley"
02:59 CGI102 Well, let me ask this, instead: This is going to be installed in a place where the users are NOT that computer literate, so I want whichever will be the most stable.
02:59 brendan well it least it's not a honda riceburner
02:59 chris_n CGI102: missing deps and incorrect docs does not sound stable to me
03:00 chris_n you want 3.0.6 if you need super stable
03:00 CGI102 BTW, does Harely have full Spanish translation, already, or must I use one of the Koha distros for that?
03:00 chris_n alpha2 is getting pretty close
03:00 brendan I think you'll have to test that yourself to determine stability --> we've got a customer on aplha and they are running fine
03:00 CGI102 Okay.  Then does 3.0.6 have full Spanish?
03:00 * brendan doesn't know the translations of harley
03:00 chris_n CGI102: we are not that familiar with harley... sorry
03:00 chris_n 3.0.6 does iirc
03:01 brendan best place to look at the amount of tranlsation that has been done - is tranlsate
03:01 chris_n miguel or miguelxercode could help you there
03:01 brendan
03:02 CGI102 Okay.  Maybe I should just get 3.0.6, then.  Not all of these users can read English, so the Spanish part is critical.
03:02 CGI102 (I'm in Honduras.)
03:02 brendan sounds like the best bet
03:02 brendan wow that's great
03:03 brendan do you know of others in Honduras using koha?
03:03 CGI102 No.  I discovered it a little over a year ago while doing a LOT of searching.
03:03 robin larsw: you should complete the fins and zweeds translations :)
03:03 larsw robin, I did one string, that's enough for me for now :)
03:03 brendan awesome
03:04 CGI102 Other things delayed working on it back then, but now I'm ready to proceed.
03:06 CGI102 To be honest, my hope of using Harley was not because the name was Harley, but because it was NOT Koha (which, phonetically - actual word "coja" - means "lame" in Spanish).
03:07 brendan heh
03:07 robin that's a bit unfortunate :)
03:08 chris_n sort of reminds me of the Chevy Nova
03:08 CGI102 I remember the last time I started looking at this, it looked as though it would be a real pain to remove all references to the word "Koha," including logos, etc.
03:08 brendan you'll just need to pronounce it differently (cause the harley release "or whatever" has the Koha name all over it)
03:09 CGI102 chris_n, the "Nova" story is apocryphal.  In fact, the Nova was VERY popular in Mexico.
03:09 larsw gmcharlt, just checking that you actually read all the patches :)
03:09 chris_n lol
03:10 CGI102 After all, "Nova" is the Latin root of "nueva" or "new."
03:10 brendan larsw++
03:10 brendan teachers here in the US who teach spanish love to tell that story though
03:11 CGI102 Well, thanks for the info.  Guess I'll go for 3.0.6, after all.
03:11 robin CGI102: hey, a lot of people still use The GIMP, despite it having a stupid name :)
03:11 CGI102 brendan, a better story is one that really DOES happen...
03:12 CGI102 Americans who learn just a few words of Spanish go to Spanish speaking countries and they know that "como" means "how" and "mucho" means "much," so they ask for the price of something by saying "como much," which actually means "I eat a lot."  LOL!
03:13 CGI102 What they should ask is "Cuanto cuesta?" or "Cuanto vale?"
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03:14 brendan *sigh* good ole Americans and their traveling knowledge or cockiness
03:15 CGI102 Okay.  Enough Spanish 101 for tonight.  Time for me to go onward to 3.0.6.  Thanks again.
03:15 brendan wait until some of these americans start hitting NZ - and tipping everyone
03:15 brendan night
03:15 CGI102 Night.
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03:16 brendan koha in Honduras++
03:16 robin brendan: yeah, that'll be weird. No one here will know how to handle that.
03:17 * chris_n usually sticks to sign language when in MX
03:17 brendan it was kind of fun watching chris in Texas with tipping ;)
03:17 brendan he's been here a few times - so it wasn't a total "WTF"
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03:21 Amit heya brendan, chris
03:21 brendan heya Amit
03:21 robin chris is not here. He's in Blenheim.
03:23 Amit heya robin
03:29 Amit @weather New Delhi, India
03:29 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
03:29 Amit @weather Dehradun, India
03:29 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 30.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002 hPa.
03:29 Amit @weather Bangalore, India
03:29 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 25.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
03:35 brendan @weather 93117
03:35 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.1�C (8:35 PM PDT on June 03, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
03:38 * chris_n heads off to sleep
03:39 brendan night
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05:10 cait good morning #koha
05:28 Amit heya cait
05:32 cait hi Amit
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06:44 kf good morning #koha
06:45 Amit heya kf
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06:48 kf hi Amit
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07:54 kmkale good afternoon
07:56 kf hi kmkale
07:56 kmkale hi kf
08:08 magnus hiyq kmkale, kf
08:09 kf hi magnus
08:09 magnus s/hiyq/hiya/ ;-)
08:10 kmkale hi magnus
08:11 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
08:11 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (9:50 AM CEST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
08:11 magnus hm...
08:13 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:13 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
08:19 kmkale @weather Mumbai
08:19 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (1:10 PM IST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
08:19 kmkale :(
08:20 kf first really sunny day for weeks = first day back at work after vacation
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08:29 Mirbolt hi there, could someone possibly copy and paste me one row from their 'issues' table? i am seeing some null values in mine and am wondering what others are looking like
08:35 Mirbolt hmm, is there anyone out there? or is my slow connection just not working...
08:36 magnus Mirbolt: could you give us some examples of the data you are seeing?
08:40 magnus i seem to have lot of NULLs in these columns: issuingbranch | returndate |lastreneweddate | return | renewals
08:41 Mirbolt hmm ok thanks, well good to know those ones should be null
08:41 Mirbolt i am getting a few random nulls in branch code as well
08:43 Mirbolt i am getting about half half with null and a valid branchcode, i thought that data should come from the item table, but as the item has the correct data i'm wondering if it's missing from somewhere else...
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08:44 magnus i have an issues table with 11909 rows, none of which has a NULL for branchcode
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08:44 magnus not sure what might cause your NULLs, though
08:48 Mirbolt i recently reinstalled koha and reloaded the data from a backup, which has proved to contain dodgy data, the items.holdingbranch was missing data for about 200 records, i now suspect the issues table must get it from somewhere other than the items table though
08:48 Mirbolt thanks for confirming the lack of nulls magnus
08:49 magnus np
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08:53 Amit heya kmkale
08:55 kmkale Hi Amit \
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10:20 gmcharlt @quote random
10:20 munin gmcharlt: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 12:18 PM, August 06, 2009)
10:24 * Elwell raises an eyebrow at the biblibre recrute posting, but decides Marseille is way to far from Aix ;-)
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10:28 kf Elwell: what posting?
10:29 chris_n ops++
10:29 chris_n g'morning
10:29 Elwell[…]philippe-chabanon via RSS
10:32 kf hi chris_n
10:32 kf thx Elwell :)
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11:12 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha IRC channel.  See for what it's all about.  This channel is publicly logged.
11:12 * chris_n cheers
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11:18 jdavidb howdy, #koha. :)
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11:22 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt
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11:25 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop
11:26 jwagner Morning, all...
11:27 jwagner What's with the @ signs?
11:27 gmcharlt @ signs?  probably your IRC client telling you who has channel op
11:27 munin gmcharlt: Error: "signs?" is not a valid command.
11:27 gmcharlt munin: be quiet
11:27 munin gmcharlt: Error: "be" is not a valid command.
11:28 gmcharlt looks like the IRC server hiccuped, and when it came back, munin had op
11:28 jwagner I have channel op?  What do I do with it?
11:28 gmcharlt so I'm spreading it around
11:28 gmcharlt jwagner: nothing, necessarily - the main thing ops do in this channel is change the channel topic
11:28 * jwagner could think of a few things to do :-)
11:32 Colin lets not get crazed with all this power
11:34 jwagner heh heh heh....
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11:37 gmcharlt jwagner: just keep in mind that topics should always include a reference to the LCSH authority record
11:37 jdavidb oh, lordy.  no one tell jwagner about the /kick command...I'll get no peace at all.
11:37 gmcharlt jdavidb: um, oops? ;)
11:37 jdavidb hee hee.
11:46 kf hi jwagner and jdavidb
11:46 jdavidb Hi, kf.  :D
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11:47 kf robbed my colleague all his xslt books :)
11:47 kf hi and thx gmcharlt :) (for pushing my monster patch)
11:48 jwagner jdavidb, kick save & a beauty!
11:48 jwagner Morning, kf
12:01 nengard gmcharlt got a question about the last commit last night ...
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12:01 nengard I have rebased and my version says 136 but I don't see the new permission
12:01 nengard I was going to document it, but I wasn't prompted to upgrade my db and the permission isn't there .. ideas?
12:03 nengard oh - wait ....
12:06 nengard okay - yes, my version of koha says 136 but i wasn't prompted to upgrade the db and i don't have the new permission ... do i need to rewind something?
12:08 kf I updated my test installation earlier today, I only had an update for hold print notices
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12:11 Mulki Test
12:13 Mulki @seek koha
12:13 munin Mulki: Error: "seek" is not a valid command.
12:15 Mulki Test
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12:19 owen Holy crap we have a topic!
12:20 jdavidb Holy crap we have an owen!  :)  Mornin', owen.
12:20 octothorpesarus s
12:21 octothorpesarus oops
12:21 * owen figures ops is wasted on him since he comes and goes
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12:41 owen gmcharlt?
12:41 gmcharlt owen: ?
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12:42 owen I'm trying to run prove xt/author/valid-templates.t, seems to be hung up at "300/?"
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12:54 owen gmcharlt: Is it possible to run the script on just one file?
12:55 * owen thinks he has the batch-del error fixed, would like to test again
12:55 kf owen++
12:55 kf testing your patch for opac confirmation messages
13:00 nengard gmcharlt, any ideas about my rebase issue?
13:05 owen nengard: I wasn't prompted to update my database this morning after a fetch and rebase
13:05 nengard so i'm not alone ...
13:06 nengard do you have the edit items permission that we're supposed to have?
13:06 kf no, same for me
13:06 owen Under the editcatalogue permission?
13:07 owen I see edit_catalogue and fast_cataloging
13:07 nengard me too
13:07 * magnus did a straight "git pull" and was not prompted to update the database either, "About Koha" reports version .136
13:08 nengard good
13:08 nengard magnus - me too
13:08 kf i have edit_items, edit_catalogue and fast_cataloging
13:08 nengard i love not being alone ;)
13:08 nengard kf ... hmmm - how did you get edit_items...
13:08 kf I dont know?
13:09 kf :(
13:09 kf perhaps it was already there before update? I only saw the print hold notice update message
13:10 kf and that change is older
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13:10 magnus um, where is edit_items supposed to be?
13:10 kf its an option under editcatalogue
13:10 kf the second
13:12 owen I wonder if the database update just didn't trigger for us for some reason?
13:13 kf has someone looked at
13:14 magnus thanks kf, i have edit_catalogue and fast_cataloging, not edit_items
13:15 kf $dbh->do(qq{
13:15 kf qq?
13:15 jwagner is now known as jwagner_meeting
13:17 magnus[…].pl;hb=HEAD#l3618
13:17 magnus
13:17 kf ok, I just wondered about the difference to print hold notice update 135
13:18 hdl_laptop kf: qq{ stands for double quote
13:19 kf hdl_laptop: thx
13:19 hdl_laptop kf : but you can do qq{ my beatifull "laundry"}
13:19 hdl_laptop which is somehow more handy
13:19 kf gmcharlt: are you going to push the granular permissions for serials too? need to add all those permissions to my translated sql files
13:20 kf hdl_laptop: really need to learn more about perl
13:20 owen My about page says but my "version" system pref says 3.0200129
13:21 hdl_laptop oops.
13:21 gmcharlt kf: yes, I will
13:21 hdl_laptop there must have been a wrong dbversion number
13:22 kf hm version is missing from the new syspref editor
13:22 owen kf: I think that's by design?
13:22 kf my version is 3.0100136 in about and old syspref editor
13:22 magnus "No system preferences matched your search for version."
13:23 kf but my test installation is not very old
13:25 kf magnus: you can use: ...koha/admin/ to see the old editor
13:27 magnus kf: thanks, cool!
13:28 kf owen told me :)
13:28 owen And someone told me! Thanks someone!
13:28 magnus "select value from systempreferences where variable = 'version';" reports 3.0200129, about says .136
13:29 magnus thanks kf, owen a nd someone
13:29 magnus s/a nd/and/
13:32 owen @karma someone
13:32 munin owen: someone has neutral karma.
13:34 magnus someone++
13:34 magnus they deserve it
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13:36 frido hie i'm a french web developper
13:36 owen Hi frido
13:36 frido i think i found a bug
13:37 nahuel :)
13:37 nahuel we have a french channel frido
13:37 magnus "About Koha" seems to get it's number from here:[…];hb=HEAD
13:37 nahuel on freenode #koha-fr
13:37 frido ah thanks
13:37 nahuel :)
13:37 frido my english is not too bad yet ?
13:38 nahuel no :)
13:38 frido i noticed a bug on facets when using special queries
13:38 nahuel what's the bug ?
13:38 frido for example : "ti:captain"
13:38 frido in seach box
13:39 frido this means a CCL query directly in URL : opac-search?q=ccl=ti:captain
13:40 frido in this case facets links does'nt work, results are the same has without facet limit
13:40 nahuel why do you do a ccl query ?
13:40 nahuel you can do ti=captain
13:40 nahuel directly in search box
13:41 nahuel I fixed a bug of facets, that works if you're on the first result page, but not in the next ones
13:41 frido yes, made a mistake
13:41 nahuel let me find the bugfix
13:41 frido i had this bug when using a link in details page
13:42 frido the link to subject : "/"
13:42 nahuel in normal view ?
13:42 frido yes
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13:42 nahuel strange
13:43 frido facets add a limit like "&limit=branch:BR"
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13:44 frido so the URL of facet is : ""
13:44 frido I sow in C4/ that if ":" is detected in query
13:45 nahuel before, the "ccl=" is detected
13:45 frido search is directly computed
13:45 nahuel by zebra
13:46 frido yes, so limit should be converted in CCL language
13:46 nahuel no
13:46 nahuel :)
13:46 frido it is done by no ?
13:47 nahuel afaik is there is ccl in query, only the ccl query is passed to zebra
13:47 nahuel koha doesn't add any other stuff
13:47 frido that's what i noticed
13:47 frido but in this case, limits are not used
13:47 frido therefore facets doesn't work
13:47 frido right ?
13:48 nengard owen - me too!! I have 129 in my version pref
13:48 nahuel frido, yep
13:48 nahuel i think it's what happening
13:49 nengard owen did you change that to trigger the update?
13:49 owen No, I was hoping someone would weigh in with an idea as to why it didn't trigger itself
13:50 nengard it didn't trigger because our systems think they're at a higher version
13:50 kf owen+nengard: now i fell alone
13:50 kf fell= feel
13:50 nengard the real question is why do our systems think they're so far ahead?
13:50 frido so it's a real bug ?
13:51 kf time to leave - bye all
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13:51 frido i might add it to bugzilla
13:52 frido i think in this case facets shouldn't appear
13:55 frido in addition : link in details page should be "?idx=su&q=fantasy" instead of "?q=su:fantasy"
13:57 chris_n frido: C4::Search is slated for a re-write for 3.4 so you might file that bug against rel_3.4
13:58 sekjal my repo is a little behind (, and the version syspref is the same as the About page.
13:58 nahuel someone from USA should explain me ... WTF :[…]hment.cgi?id=1927
13:58 nahuel ?????
13:58 frido chris_n : ok, i have 3.2 alpha 2
13:58 nahuel what is this shit
13:58 nahuel why use a syspref for that ?
13:59 sekjal so, it seems that the desynchronization is either coming from the DB rev, or is local to some systems.  will git pull and report back
13:59 sekjal nahuel: I'm not sure why the space separated list to solve that issue... its a bit confusing
14:00 nahuel it's a ... well...
14:00 nengard nahuel, what bug is that?
14:00 nahuel Do developpers have users ?
14:00 nahuel nengard,[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4239
14:00 munin Bug 4239: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles
14:00 sekjal I suppose its a list of which item types the patron can have concurrent holds on within a single biblio
14:00 nahuel ....
14:00 nengard does seem a bit sloppy
14:00 nahuel sekjal, developpers doesn't know : CHECKBOXES !
14:01 nahuel i'm afraid....
14:01 nengard why does it have to be a pref at all - shouldn't it go with the circ rules?
14:01 nahuel nengard, better : in itemtypes settings
14:01 owen nengard: I agree
14:01 sekjal it would probably require a new page/tab/section in the already complex circ rules area, but yes, I think it should be there rather than preferences
14:01 nahuel I think we have enough sysprefs
14:01 frido Is there any version of 3.4 ?
14:02 sekjal frido: no
14:02 nengard nahuel - there are never enough sysprefs :) hehe
14:02 frido ok
14:02 nengard it's the only way for libraries to do things the way they want - and they all want diff things
14:02 nahuel nengard, are you crazy ?
14:02 nahuel :)
14:02 nengard yes I am :)
14:02 sekjal frido:  we're still working on getting 3.2 out the door
14:02 nengard but i'm also a control freak
14:02 nengard which means i like a lot of control options
14:02 sekjal but once that's all set, full speed ahead on 3.4!
14:02 nahuel nengard, ok that's why there is weird :)
14:02 nahuel nengard, control option can be outside of sysprefs
14:02 frido yes, i know, but it could be
14:03 nengard nahuel this is true!
14:03 nahuel nengard, like this one :)
14:03 nengard as long as i have control i don't care where it is
14:03 nahuel héhé
14:03 frido why no 3.3 ?
14:03 nahuel nengard, like all our users :)
14:03 nengard and i do agree this one shouldn't be a pref it should be in the itemtypes or circ rules
14:03 nengard sekjal are you checking your version to see if you too have an issue like owen and magnus and I?
14:03 chris_n frido: 3.4 development will be done under 3.3.x revs
14:03 sekjal nengard: yes
14:04 chris_n frido: just as 3.2 is done under 3.1.x
14:04 Colin nengard: happens for me too
14:04 sekjal frido: it's a Linux kernel convention, using even numbers for stable releases and odd for development
14:04 nengard so basically we need to go back and figure out where in our upgrade process our systems thought they were version 129
14:04 frido yes, thanks, i'am aware of that
14:05 frido it's very usefull
14:06 frido thanks for your help
14:06 nengard added a note to the bug nahuel to ask why it's a pref
14:06 nahuel :)
14:06 nahuel thanks nengard
14:06 nengard np
14:06 frido see u ;)
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14:09 chris_n nengard, owen: fwiw, fetch and rebase resulted in a db update for me
14:09 nengard :(
14:10 Colin nengard I restored from a backup it thought it was 3.2.129  not 3.1.129 !!
14:10 nengard HA!
14:10 nengard all kinds of screwy going on here
14:12 magnus could it have something to do with vs i guess i'm still pulling from
14:13 nengard magnus - i'm pulling form k-c
14:15 Colin Try this  git show e8291a15
14:15 Colin Galen fixed an earlier error that upped us to 3.2
14:15 magnus "fix typo in DBrev - should be"?
14:16 nengard same here
14:16 Colin if the insraller ran before that fix all subsequent updates will be ignored
14:16 owen Oh duh... I didn't even notice that wrong 2 in 3.0200129
14:17 nengard so how do we fix this?
14:17 nengard what field do we update to trick the system into upgrading?
14:18 owen nengard: Update your version sys pref to 3.0100129 instead of 3.0200129
14:18 Colin Patch the version back to 3.0100129 and let the installer do its magic
14:18 * owen has his edit_items permission now
14:18 nengard woo hoo
14:19 nengard look at all that stuff i missed - off to update the manual
14:20 magnus "update systempreferences set value = '3.0100129' where variable = 'Version';" did the trick for me
14:22 owen Anyone familiar with this weird column in patron messaging prefs?
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14:23 nengard owen never saw it before
14:23 nengard what page was that on?
14:24 owen Everywhere I see that form. In this case
14:24 * magnus starts the weekend
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14:25 ray how can i add the copyright date as part of item call number using dewey classification?
14:26 ray in default i can only add classification and item number
14:27 ray but i want to add the copyright date
14:28 owen ray are you talking about the add item interface? What version of Koha?
14:28 ray i tried to edit the global preference itemcallnumber and add 260c but still no luck
14:28 ray 3.0.6
14:28 nengard ah yeah - you can't do that
14:28 ray is there any option?
14:28 nengard you'll have to type the copyright in yourself when adding an item
14:29 nengard owen i just checked and i don't see that form that way on any page...
14:29 nengard and while we're on the topic - can we please please please remove upcoming evnets since it does nothing? or if it does something now can you tell me what it does?
14:30 ray ahm.. ok. its in the item level that i should write the copyright?
14:30 ray in the full item call number textbox?
14:30 owen nengard: I think the upcoming events line is part of the default database setup
14:30 nengard so - what's stopping us from removing it from the db?
14:30 nengard if it does nothing...
14:30 nengard yes ray
14:30 wizzyrea nengard: it does do something, but you have to have additional software
14:31 wizzyrea did you see that I added a jquery statement to remove it?
14:31 nengard what additional software?
14:31 ray ok tnx! IRC is a great help!
14:31 wizzyrea let me go back and look... bev told me at one point
14:31 gmcharlt owen: yes, there's a way to check validity of an individual template
14:31 nengard wizzyrea - no i didn't - but if you need more software to use it it shoiuld be optional - not on all machines
14:32 wizzyrea yep, I agree
14:32 gmcharlt owen: xt/author/
14:32 wizzyrea and actually
14:32 wizzyrea it was never implemented I guess
14:32 wizzyrea according to the latest thing
14:32 wizzyrea bug 2434
14:32 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Disable Enhanced Messaging Columns Not In Use
14:32 wizzyrea ta da!
14:32 jwagner_meeting owen, catching up a bit, " weird column in patron messaging prefs" -- I've seen that when the message transports table isn't right.  There was a bug at some point with the installation.  jdavidb knows the fix.
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14:33 owen Thanks jwagner, that was just the path I was heading down.
14:35 owen gmcharlt: xt/author/ /path/to/template ?
14:36 nengard is anyone opposed to me writing a patch to remove upcoming events completely? since it's not implemented and caused problems for librarians and patrons alike?
14:36 nengard using jquery is an option - but it seems like a workaround - not a fix
14:36 jwagner nengard, go for it.
14:36 gmcharlt owen: good so far, but there's a second param - path to the template include dir
14:38 owen gmcharlt: Okay, running that spat out a bunch of HTML, but I don't see error messages.
14:39 gmcharlt owen: pipe stdout to /dev/null
14:39 gmcharlt the error message is sent to STDERR
14:40 owen Sorry, you lost me
14:40 gmcharlt xt/author/ /path/to/template /path/to/incude > /dev/null
14:41 owen And no news is good news?
14:44 gmcharlt yep
14:50 nengard bug 2434 patch sent
14:50 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, Remove unimplemented upcoming events message
14:53 wizzyrea nengard++
15:01 nengard :)
15:01 nengard wizzyrea can you do a pull of the manual? i added a new appendix i want to link to
15:01 wizzyrea ya, sec
15:03 wizzyrea what's the label of the appendix?
15:03 wizzyrea (want to make sure it came over)
15:07 nengard ummm
15:07 nengard something about on oder
15:07 nengard order :)
15:12 wizzyrea[…]-manual/?ch=a9384
15:12 wizzyrea this one?
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15:14 jcamins nengard++
15:14 jcamins (just read the Appendix on handling on order items)
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15:26 jcamins Is there any way to persuade SQL reports to return more than 16 rows?
15:27 nengard wizzyrea, yes, thanks
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15:27 Colin jcamins: theres a hardcoded maxrows that needs to be upped
15:29 wizzyrea ^^ but I thought it was 9999 rows
15:35 Colin I think its less, (but more than 16) I know at the UN on install it was low enough to make all sql reports little more than headers.
15:37 owen nengard: Re: Bug 3972, that template has changed a couple of times since first reported
15:37 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3972 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Locked Budget Showing X and non active budget empty
15:38 nengard owen - going to check
15:39 Colin wizzyrea: more than 16 it used to be 20
15:39 nengard owen closing
15:40 Colin jcamins: look for LIMIT 20 in
15:41 nengard fyi - re the appendix - i didn't write it - the staff at VOKAL did - the credit is in the XML, but  not the HTML yet - I may be editing it once I look into this process more
15:41 nengard i'll also probably add screenshots
15:44 jcamins I think I'll just rerun the report as I get through the 16 results that come up. Understanding and Reports/ is a bit much for before lunch.
15:46 owen The "six impossible things before breakfast" quote doesn't apply to Perl modules before lunch.
15:48 Colin There are perl modules and then there are Koha perl modules
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15:53 owen Anyone know if Bug 2001 can be marked fixed?
15:53 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2001 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, unAPI doesn't work without public-facing zebra server running on port 9998
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15:54 cait hi #koha
16:11 owen jdavidb around?
16:12 * jdavidb is very round, yes.
16:12 wizzyrea tee hee
16:12 nengard ha
16:12 Colin just never call him square
16:12 nengard very goofy too
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16:13 owen jwagner says you know of a bug where the message transports table isn't right?
16:13 owen I'm seeing off columns in my patron messaging preferences
16:13 owen Problem with my database?
16:14 jdavidb yes.  In the case I recall, one of the message transports simply didn't exist in the table.  getting them back in with the default SQL fixed it, for me
16:14 brendan Nate+o
16:15 owen jdavidb: From message_transport_types.sql ?
16:15 jdavidb IIRC, yes.  jwagner has an issue with verb tenses at times.  'know' != 'knew'.
16:16 * owen is familiar with this phenomenon
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16:21 owen Before: After:
16:21 owen I don't think I'm making progress
16:23 owen Oh, I didn't have anything in my message_transports table.
16:31 Colin Anyone have any experience with open source software for records management ?
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17:06 * jdavidb waves to cait.
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17:07 * jwagner harrumphs in jdavidb's direction
17:08 * jdavidb smiles happily.  jwagner only harrumphs at people she approves of somewhat.  Complete disapproval brings a more-negative response.
17:08 wizzyrea hello
17:08 wizzyrea oh
17:08 * wizzyrea waves at jdavidb
17:08 jdavidb Hi, wizzyrea! :D
17:08 * wizzyrea waves at jwagner
17:08 * wizzyrea waves at Cait
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17:09 jwagner hi wizzyrea.
17:09 wizzyrea heya
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17:12 jwagner gmcharlt or chris, online?
17:13 gmcharlt briefly
17:13 gmcharlt what's up, jwagner ?
17:13 wizzyrea is there something up with the channel
17:13 wizzyrea some people can't send I guess
17:13 jwagner I have a private message from user jccurtis who says he can read the main channel but when he tries to post, he gets #koha Cannot send to channel
17:13 wizzyrea same with cait
17:13 gmcharlt odd
17:13 * owen coughs into the microphone
17:13 jwagner Does the IRC need another smack upside the head?
17:14 wizzyrea well
17:14 jdavidb we can speak ill of cait, and she can't reply in kind?   ooooooo
17:14 wizzyrea it would be nice bc then someone would have ops
17:14 wizzyrea if we kicked it
17:14 wizzyrea ;)
17:14 jwagner jdavidb, she'll get you in private!
17:14 jdavidb no doubt.
17:14 jdavidb ...aaaand she just did.
17:15 gmcharlt jwagner: if they haven't already, they should try /part
17:15 gmcharlt then rejoin
17:15 * jwagner snickers
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17:15 jdavidb See, I can't imagine anyone wanting to speak ill of sweet cait, though.
17:15 jccurtis test
17:15 jccurtis aha
17:15 gmcharlt cait: please try speaking now
17:15 * gmcharlt wonders who set +m on this channel
17:15 gmcharlt that was the problem
17:16 * jwagner warns people to beware of jdavidb when he's speaking nice about someone....
17:16 jccurtis thanks gmcharlt
17:16 cait t
17:16 cait hey
17:16 cait im back
17:16 cait :)
17:16 jccurtis could i ask a few questions about koha?
17:17 jwagner welcome back cait
17:17 * cait is really relieved now
17:17 cait thx
17:17 jwagner jccurtis, go ahead & ask
17:17 jccurtis ok
17:18 jccurtis about a year ago i set up a koha server for my seminary
17:18 jccurtis and today i upgraded to 3.0.6
17:18 jccurtis and i've been going through the error logs
17:18 jccurtis noticed a few things that i can't figure out
17:18 jccurtis here's one:
17:19 jccurtis [Fri Jun 04 11:52:47 2010] [error] [client] [Fri Jun  4 11:52:47 2010] "my" variable $content_type masks earlier declaration in same scope at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 582., referer:
17:19 jccurtis [Fri Jun 04 11:52:48 2010] [error] [client] script not found or unable to stat: /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/-, referer:[…]
17:19 wizzyrea OH
17:19 wizzyrea wow
17:19 wizzyrea there are lots of ops now
17:20 * jdavidb wondered when wizzyrea would notice that she *is* an op.
17:20 wizzyrea HA. Oh lordie.
17:21 jwagner "women and children first to the lifeboats!"
17:21 wizzyrea did someone do that on purpose or is it just chance
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17:25 gmcharlt wizzyrea: dunno
17:25 gmcharlt note that IRC modes aren't the same on all servers
17:25 gmcharlt somebody may have thought that +m would do something else
17:25 firstborn hi folks
17:25 firstborn can i post a question
17:26 * wizzyrea didn't even know she had ops until 2 minutes ago ^.^
17:26 jdavidb @roulette
17:26 munin jdavidb: *click*
17:26 wizzyrea firstborn: of cours
17:26 cait can i get ops?
17:26 jdavidb hm...
17:26 jdavidb @roulette
17:26 munin jdavidb: *click*
17:26 jdavidb @roulette
17:26 munin jdavidb: *click*
17:26 * cait is afraid of being locked out again g
17:26 firstborn its regarding data not searchable in koha....any suggestions
17:26 cait @roulette
17:26 munin cait: *click*
17:26 jdavidb darn.
17:26 jdavidb @roulette
17:26 jdavidb was kicked by munin: BANG!
17:26 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
17:26 cait hey
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17:27 cait lol
17:27 * jdavidb falls out of his chair laughing.
17:27 wizzyrea[…]on/faq/searching/
17:27 wizzyrea for firstborn
17:27 wizzyrea any of those seem like they might be aplicable?
17:28 firstborn thanx wizzyrea...but it happened after restoring mysql using mysql administrator in debian lenny
17:28 wizzyrea did you reindex after doing that?
17:28 firstborn otherwise biblio created manually no problem
17:29 firstborn i did rebuild zebra but negativw
17:29 wizzyrea so new stuff is getting indexed, but the old stuff isn't?
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17:31 firstborn yeah .... search in patrons shows data but catalogue search and opac not displayed
17:33 braedon|home wizzyrea: 'grats on the ops :P
17:33 braedon|home firstborn: have a look at some of the rebuild options
17:34 * braedon|home has previously found issues with the options usually used
17:34 wizzyrea heh
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17:35 firstborn what im worried is that are my data restored in the new server...since not searcable
17:36 braedon|home do you have database access? could check the tables manually
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17:36 firstborn ya i do have...access
17:37 braedon|home hmm, you probably do have "Access"... more meaning with something useful like phpmyadmin :P
17:37 cait bug 3682: ok to change message_name to varchar(40)?
17:37 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3682 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, message type in messaging table not translatable
17:37 braedon|home though you could always script a query to check :)
17:38 jccurtis-brb is now known as jccurtis
17:39 * braedon|home just got the other meaning of "Access" if that is what you were meaning - awake for 30 hours on 3 hours sleep...
17:39 jccurtis anyone know why would be calling /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/-
17:39 jccurtis that dash looks suspicious
17:41 braedon|home hey, that is profiling! -'s are resource names too!
17:41 firstborn is it better than mysqladmin...braedon/home
17:41 firstborn is reindexing the only solution so that data r searcable
17:42 braedon|home well, reindexing will only work if the data is actually there - if this is in doubt a check of the database should probably be your first port of call
17:43 braedon|home if the data is intact, there a bunch of options reindex can be called with, that modify what is reindexed, and how.
17:43 chris_n cait: that should be vine
17:43 chris_n fine even
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17:44 braedon|home if the reindex is not picking data up, you may be calling it with the wrong options for the task
17:44 wizzyrea or with the wrong user
17:44 wizzyrea or any one of the several things listed on the faq
17:44 cait chris_n: vine?
17:45 cait ah, sorry
17:45 jwagner is now known as jwagner_meeting
17:45 * chris_n 's fingers got crossed on the keyboard :)
17:45 firstborn check on the databse and its same MB size as the backup database
17:45 cait :)
17:46 chris_n firstborn: have you gone through all of this:[…]on/faq/searching/
17:46 chris_n if no, you probably should first
17:47 firstborn sure chris_n i wil repeat the procedure...i guess it should work
17:47 chris_n firstborn: so you have been through the FAQ?
17:48 firstborn ya did again jus nw
17:49 braedon|home when you call rebuild_zebra, what options do you give it? " -b -a -z" or " -b -a -r"?
17:49 chris_n firstborn: is this a fresh install? and what version?
17:50 chris_n also have you run with -v to see if there are any indexing errors?
17:58 firstborn retored from a another machine similar in OS debian lenny and same koha version .....rebuils uisng -b-a-z
17:58 firstborn debian 5.0.2 koha 3.00.03
17:59 braedon|home that would be your problem
17:59 braedon|home using -z only adds items in the zebraqueue
18:00 braedon|home it doesn't search the database
18:00 braedon|home if i remember correctly
18:00 braedon|home to do a complete rebuild, use "-b -a -r"
18:01 braedon|home "-b -a -z" is used in cron jobs to process the zebra queue
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18:03 firstborn i gues nothing to do with the versions or bugs if any
18:04 braedon|home well, if "-b -a -r" there may well be other issues
18:04 braedon|home if "-b -a -r" doesn't work*
18:04 braedon|home but that looks likely at the moment
18:04 braedon|home " -b -a -z" shouldn't work
18:04 braedon|home if i remeber correctly...
18:08 chris_n that information would be found here:[…]faq/searching/#20
18:09 chris_n in the faq I referenced earlier
18:09 braedon|home inded
18:10 braedon|home s/inded/indeed/
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19:15 owen Hi pianohackr|work
19:16 pianohackr|work hi owen
19:21 wizzyrea PHW
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19:39 schuster pianohackr|work - so are you really working someplace?
19:39 pianohackr|work hi wizzy
19:40 pianohackr|work schuster: Yup, at a library in the area
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19:46 jccurtis does anyone here use the google books option?
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19:54 D_Ulm Hello all, what is the news?
19:57 wizzyrea killin bugs, making great software, the usual. :)
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20:09 wizzyrea I guess that wasn't the news he was hoping for
20:11 pianohackr|work Waiting for a nice, vlan-capable switch in the mail?
20:11 pianohackr|work Maybe that'll work
20:14 cait nengard: around?
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20:28 wizzyrea I think she's gone for the day
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20:35 schuster have a nice weekend everyone - I'll be trying to get that Debian squeeze up and running with Koha from Lars instructions.
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20:50 cait hm is there a problem with the mailing lists? I send a patch and changed the bug several times, but got no mails
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21:04 chris_n cait: which bug?
21:05 cait bug 3682
21:05 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3682 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, message type in messaging table not translatable
21:05 * chris_n has not received it either
21:05 chris_n bbl
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21:16 cait quality contact was missing, will resend patch tomorro
21:16 cait w
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21:59 nengard he he
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22:58 smatrinidad Anyone here able to help with 3.0.6 installation?
22:59 smatrinidad I've gotten to the end and it appears I need to change some apache file, since I'm not getting to the Koha stuff - only to "It works!"
22:59 brendan did you edit the koha-httpd.conf file or move that into the right spot?
23:00 smatrinidad That's the problem: the instructions mention that, but don't say EXACTLY what needs to be changed - just some nebulous information about virtualhosts.
23:01 smatrinidad I've edited all kinds of things relating to that (with restarting apache each time), and still have wasted the entire day getting nowhere.
23:02 brendan well one thing to do first is to disable the default apache site
23:02 smatrinidad I hardly have any experience with this end of apache, and the apache manual didn't help, since I don't know what I am trying to find.
23:02 brendan I forget the command - but you could google it - it's something like -->  a2dissite default
23:03 smatrinidad Okay.  How would I disable that first site?  I tried moving  000-default to another name then linking koha to 000-default, thinking that would make Koha the default, but that didn't change anything.
23:03 brendan then you'll need to create an symbolic link from your koha-httpd.conf -->  into the /etc/apach32/sites-available/ directory
23:03 brendan sorry typo in there -- that should be an e not a 3
23:04 smatrinidad Ah.  The dissite command IS mentioned in the instructions, but it also says it may have undesireable side effects.
23:04 smatrinidad Thus, I was trying other things first.
23:04 smatrinidad The command "sudo a2dissite default" may be a quick fix, but may have side-effects.  See the Apache HTTPD manual section on virtual hosts for full instructions.
23:09 smatrinidad The strange thing is that, when I first started experimenting with Koha over a year ago, none of this stuff was necessary - it just installed without all the rest of these steps.  Now that I'm trying 3.0.6 on a fresh Debian installation, the installation seems to involve a lot more than I remember.
23:15 smatrinidad Just undid all my edits then did the a2dissite, and now the default "It works!" doesn't show up any more.
23:16 smatrinidad Instead, it gives me a directory listing of /usr/share/koha
23:16 smatrinidad Same on port 8080
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23:30 smatrinidad Trying again.  Any answers?
23:36 smatrinidad Guess not.
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23:55 smatrinidad Found the problem while awaiting a response.
23:56 smatrinidad I had followed the instructions and gone to the Apache httpd manual's information about virtual hosts.
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23:57 smatrinidad It said I needed to add some lines to /etc/apache2/httpd.conf but those lines turned out to be getting in the way of the ones from the koha files.
23:58 smatrinidad Now that I have removed those, it appears to be working.
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23:58 smatrinidad They were NOT there originally, and it still hadn't worked, but that was before the a2dissite command to disable the default site.
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