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inspite of vain attempts at resistance, /me downloads the latest version of strawberry perl |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: give in to the compulsion |
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chris |
heh |
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chris_n |
that was quick |
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chris |
heh |
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chris |
driveby |
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chris_n |
sleepy time; g'night |
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chris |
night |
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richard_ |
not long enough to get ops |
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chris |
nope |
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si |
sorry |
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si |
that was me pulling the power out of the wrong switch :-( |
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chris |
heh |
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chris |
@quote random |
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munin |
chris: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 09:55 PM, June 11, 2009) |
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Amit |
heya chris |
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hi Amit |
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jarvey |
hello |
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jarvey |
anybody can help me here |
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Amit |
heya jarvey |
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jarvey |
i just recently installed a koha |
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Amit |
k |
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jarvey |
my problem is how can i access koha from another computer |
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jarvey |
by the way... i installed the koha on debian |
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Amit |
go to koha-httpd.conf file |
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jarvey |
and also im a newbie to debian so please bear with me |
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jarvey |
ok |
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jarvey |
im already on that part |
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jarvey |
what should i do with koha-httpd.conf |
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jarvey |
k wait i think i have an idea |
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mason |
i got an sql Q.... |
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mason |
how you round() or truncate() a value down to 1, but *only* if the value is > 1 |
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kmkale |
Good afternoon |
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jarvey |
i still can't access koha from another computer :-( |
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jarvey |
anyone can help me? |
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CGI634 |
can i found dissertation tag in marc ? |
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CGI762 |
Hello everyone. Wanted to know, for cataloging of a theisis or desertation which tag in Marc21 for KOHA can be used to assign guide name and subject of thesis. And our requirement is that both the fields should be searchable in OPAC. For example if Guide Dr.Samuel Jackson has 21 thesis guided by him and one on child pschycology. then when a search is done using guide name it should give 21 results under guide and in advance sear |
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CGI642 |
what provision about thesis cataloging in koha |
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CGI642 |
hello i wanted to know how i can do cataloging of thesis ? |
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CGI642 |
which tag to define in marc21 for thesis cataloging ? |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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chris |
hi cait |
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cait |
interesting mails :) |
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chris |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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chris |
heya gmcharlt .. still in the burgh? |
| 10:34 |
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mason |
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2[…]er-than-the-wind/ |
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eiro |
hello all |
| 10:35 |
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mason |
very interesting dancer email from marc BL |
| 10:36 |
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gmcharlt |
still has a ways to go, it would seem: "stuff doesn?t work (for example: the main search doesn?t work)." |
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eiro |
thanks mason |
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mason |
hiya eric |
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gmcharlt |
surely that would have to be a sine qua non? |
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mason |
oooh, new phrase |
| 10:41 |
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eiro |
gmcharlt, my sine qua non was to be sure that all the http mechanic can be handled and i think things currently working allready proves it. there are bugs but it would be helpfull to have help from the koha community. for example: trying to identify the CGI method that failed when trying to search a book |
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kmkale |
any idea about this line I am getting in logs? "serials-home.pl: Use of uninitialized value $sqlwhere in concatenation (.) or string at /home/kalibindia/kohaclone/C4/Serials.pm line 602" |
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eiro |
gmcharlt, i really works well for the time i had on this code |
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gmcharlt |
eiro: well, fine, but as a proof of concept, it is still very much in the early days |
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gmcharlt |
a new framework, no matter the apparent internal advantages, is worth switching to unless it can be shown to at least keep the current functionality in place; bib search is a core part of the ILS |
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mason |
http://www.perldancer.org/ |
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* mason |
reads up... |
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eiro |
gmcharlt, that's why i would like help from koha experts .. i mean: i don't want to spend my time trying to know if the warnings as kmkale just report are significant or not |
| 10:46 |
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eiro |
gmcharlt, the first step is to make koha run completly on koha |
| 10:47 |
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eiro |
gmcharlt, 2nd step would be to remove tons of koha codes using cleaner and more reliable implementations from the other communities |
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mason |
it doesnt hurt to start thinking far ahead... :) |
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jarvey |
hello |
| 10:47 |
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jarvey |
can anyone help me regarding koha |
| 10:48 |
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gmcharlt |
eiro: which of course is why there are a number of architectural improvements slated for 3.4 |
| 10:48 |
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gmcharlt |
including starting the shift to DBIx::Class for real this time |
| 10:49 |
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gmcharlt |
which, among other things, shoudl get us to to point where we can remove certain custom bits, such as, for instance, C4::SQLHelper, in favor of, as you say, more reliable implementations from other communities |
| 10:49 |
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eiro |
gmcharlt, i think we can do better! much better |
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mason |
marc, your website is really great |
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eiro |
gmcharlt, if you read the paul_p email: we would like to try better! create real abstractions business objects must be independant from serialization choice and from http mecanics |
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mason |
its been a while since i last visited |
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eiro |
mason, kidding ? |
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eiro |
i thanks |
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mason |
no, im not kidding ;) |
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eiro |
thanks mason :) |
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chris |
i think there are lots of good ideas out there, but id love the blockers in 3.2 fixed first before we get ahead of ourselves |
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chris |
i mean currently we cant upgrade from 3.0.x to 3.2.0 reliably, so theres no way we can release |
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eiro |
chris, that's one of the reason on this proof: i don't break the koha code. i can go on debbuging while you patch the blockers |
| 10:59 |
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kmkale |
I have a query regarding creating a new suvbscription Home › Serials › New subscription > Create Biblio a nedw window opens where I create a biblio with serials framework. Then I am presented with a screen for adding items. Shouldn't I be taken back to the new subscription page? or should I go ahead and add an item here? |
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chris |
eiro: i need help from the people who created the blockers |
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* jdavidb |
harrrumphs. |
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gmcharlt |
it's the call of the wild jdavidb! |
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chris |
heh |
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* jdavidb |
went from "sound asleep" to "greatly irate" way too early this morning. |
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* cait |
hands jdavidb coffee |
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jdavidb |
:) thanks, cait. I'm prepared to sell a teenager this morning, very cheap. Half the proceeds to go to scholarships for folks to get to KohaCon, half to buy me a big bottle of bourbon... |
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chris |
hehe |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb: tell her she doesn't shape up, she'll have to go through every single bit of POD in Koha, fixing typos along the way ;) |
| 11:19 |
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cait |
uh... I have no room, sorry... :) |
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jdavidb |
hmm.. |
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chris |
ill have my own teenagers in 10 years or so |
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jdavidb |
she will already be greatly pissed at me when she gets home from school and discovers that her Interwebs aren't workin'. |
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gmcharlt |
401 Parental block in place? |
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Amit |
heya galen, jdavidb |
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gmcharlt |
hi Amit |
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jdavidb |
401 What is this "network" you speak of? |
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kmkale |
when I create a new subscription and try to receive the status drop down is greyed out. When I go to serial collection the notes field shows expired although the end date shown is next year. I cant change the status to arrived unless I dont go and manually renew the subscription. Is this normal? |
| 11:37 |
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cait |
no, its a bug |
| 11:39 |
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kmkale |
bug 3076? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3076 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, receiving serials has options greyed out |
| 11:40 |
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cait |
bug 5286? |
| 11:40 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5286 was not found. |
| 11:40 |
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cait |
bug 4286 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4286 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED, Subscription expired at its creation |
| 11:41 |
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cait |
thats the one I thought of, have not tested it myself yet |
| 11:42 |
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kmkale |
cait how did you manage to get the bug number so fast? |
| 11:42 |
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cait |
I searched for subscription in bugzilla |
| 11:46 |
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kmkale |
aahh i searched for serials and the list was huge :) |
| 11:47 |
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kmkale |
but 4286 is precisely what I am experiencing including the duplication |
| 11:48 |
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cait |
normal and patch-sent seems not right |
| 11:49 |
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kmkale |
this install is git. is there a way I can check if that patch is in my local files? |
| 11:50 |
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kmkale |
like a git command which checks the commit number etc? |
| 11:51 |
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munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Disable a new site created with --request-db. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0ff94be2846dc57cd> |
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cait |
kmkale: nicole wrote the bug reappeared, so I think the patch was sent for the first problem perhaps |
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kmkale |
oh. |
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frederic1 |
I can confirm eiro assumption about integration of dancer framework with Koha |
| 11:54 |
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frederic1 |
I even have an OPAC bases on it somewhere as a proof of concept, if someone is intersted |
| 11:54 |
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frederic1 |
An OPAC can be coded in 100 lines of code. |
| 11:56 |
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cait |
I think its great to talk about new things, but more important now is fixing bugs like 4286 |
| 11:56 |
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cait |
we cant release 3.2 with such bugs |
| 11:56 |
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chris |
cait++ |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
and Im quite sure there are more things like that ... and even bugs we have not found yet |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
so testing and bug fixing should have first priority now |
| 11:58 |
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kmkale |
a quick eyeballing of C4/Serials.pm shows that patch is not in latest head.. |
| 12:02 |
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munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4445: Upping the daily limit for XISBN <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]141fea192b81fb0d1> / bug 4445 update OCLC text tips on preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2d66747148ba988a6> / bug 4834 split joined preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b69a32a91c79fc9e7 |
| 12:06 |
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kmkale |
humm that patch does not apply.. error: patch failed: C4/Serials.pm:987 |
| 12:11 |
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frederic1 |
Prioritizing things, I can even say that I have a lot of other things to do prior 3.2... |
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frederic1 |
The difficulty to integrate new code into Koha is a real issue and a priority. Biblibre acquisition module integration is a good example of how difficult it can be. 3.2 release issues comes directly of koha design. Re-design, re-set up Koha is a priority. |
| 12:12 |
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chris |
flawed development procedures caused most of the integration problems |
| 12:13 |
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frederic1 |
new developments should be pushed quicker as git branches |
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frederic1 |
not quicker, immediatly |
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chris |
as separate branches |
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chris |
not piled into one big then then tried to be merged |
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kmkale |
cris how do you test the individual branches? |
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kmkale |
^^ chris |
| 12:19 |
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chris |
there is a good email from reed on the devel list about how we do it at my work |
| 12:19 |
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chris |
we have rolling merges |
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chris |
any conflicts, the developers who caused the conflict are notified immediately, if it merges clean |
| 12:20 |
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chris |
then testing is done, if it passes testing it gets marked safe for the release, and is merged into master |
| 12:20 |
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jwagner |
We're using a tool called Rally to schedule work and identify priorities. |
| 12:20 |
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kmkale |
i read that but as usual was over my head ;) |
| 12:21 |
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chris |
i propose that every thing (feature or bug) should have a bug in bugs.koha-community.org |
| 12:21 |
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kmkale |
what I meant was in a dev install is it possible to individually test branches? |
| 12:21 |
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chris |
and should have a branch named after that bug |
| 12:21 |
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chris |
yes |
| 12:22 |
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chris |
if you want to test it by itself, you check it out and test it |
| 12:22 |
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kmkale |
how since the code changed in a branch is still in the same koha dev install tree |
| 12:23 |
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chris |
precisely |
| 12:23 |
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chris |
so now you are running the code in the branch |
| 12:24 |
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kmkale |
so what koha *sees* is the checked out branch? way too cooooolll |
| 12:24 |
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chris |
yep |
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chris |
easy peasy |
| 12:24 |
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kmkale |
omg |
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chris |
now every branch should have tests for the feature or the bug you just fixed too |
| 12:25 |
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chris |
and those tests should of course pass |
| 12:25 |
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kmkale |
chris by test i mean run koha with it, not perl tests. |
| 12:25 |
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chris |
yep |
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chris |
both work |
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kmkale |
wow. gr8 |
| 12:26 |
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chris |
the only gotcha is if the branch changes the db, but for testing you would start with a clean db dump anyway |
| 12:27 |
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chris |
because part of the test, is testing the db upgrade |
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kmkale |
so the file/s i have changed should be added with git add to that branch for this magic to work? |
| 12:28 |
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chris |
if you have changed them you are running them already |
| 12:28 |
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chris |
in a dev install |
| 12:29 |
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chris |
this is more for checking out someone elses changes to test them, but yes you should do your changes in their own branch |
| 12:29 |
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kmkale |
yes but thats true for all branches isn't it? a file changed in one branch is run by koha irrespective of the branch checked out |
| 12:30 |
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chris |
when you checkout a branch you get a copy of all the files in that branch |
| 12:30 |
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chris |
if you have local uncommitted changes, git will refuse to checkout a different branch until you commit |
| 12:30 |
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kmkale |
brb |
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chris |
once you checkout you are running the files as they exist in that branch |
| 12:32 |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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chris |
basically i think if we institute the suggestions lars has made, life will suddenly get easier for everyone |
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* owen |
agrees. A very sane and modest list |
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cait |
lars++ |
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chris_n |
larsw++ |
| 12:36 |
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cait |
@karma lars |
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munin |
cait: Karma for "lars" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
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cait |
@cait karma larsw |
| 12:36 |
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cait |
@karma larsw |
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munin |
cait: Karma for "larsw" has been increased 24 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 24. |
| 12:36 |
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munin |
cait: Error: "cait" is not a valid command. |
| 12:36 |
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chris_n |
I think the suggestions by larsw are an excellent goal for the very near term |
| 12:36 |
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hdl_laptop |
chris : with koha as it stands now, it is quite difficult to have one branch per dev. |
| 12:36 |
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chris |
i dont agree |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: how so? |
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chris |
we already do it |
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hdl_laptop |
if you work with circulation it also affects holds. |
| 12:38 |
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chris |
yes |
| 12:39 |
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hdl_laptop |
If you work on biblios, it affects items. |
| 12:39 |
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hdl_laptop |
And items affect biblios |
| 12:39 |
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chris |
i didnt say one branch per module |
| 12:39 |
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hdl_laptop |
The problem is that if you have one branch per feature, then the merging will eventually be messy. |
| 12:39 |
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jwagner |
Right -- when we're working on a feature, it might touch files in patrons, circ, holds, etc., but it's one devel branch. |
| 12:40 |
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chris_n |
the sole benefit of multiple branches is ease of merging |
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chris |
way way wya less messy than 200 commits on one branch |
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chris_n |
not module development isolation |
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hdl_laptop |
I tried to do one branch per bug. |
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chris |
and if one branch is rejected, it doesnt mean the whole thing is rejected |
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chris_n |
we are talking about two different levels of logistics |
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hdl_laptop |
But prove to to be a horror for integration and tests. |
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chris |
thats not our experience |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: how's that? |
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chris |
we currently have 958 branches |
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chris |
on a codebase much larger than koha |
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hdl_laptop |
But not koha codebase. |
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chris |
no we only have 47 on koha currently |
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chris |
we'll catch up |
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chris |
:) |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: how is integration and testing a horror? |
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cait |
interesting discussion, hate to leave :( but train wont wait - bye all! |
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chris_n |
@later tell cait you need to meet bip the irc proxy |
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munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: testing happens on that branch; integration happens after testing by merging back into master (or whatever) |
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hdl_laptop |
integrated branch has to be tested also |
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chris_n |
conflict resolution is minimized by only having a single small set of changes to deal with at merge time rather than possibly hundreds |
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chris_n |
of course |
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jwagner |
We do isolation testing on each development branch, then a full top-to-bottom testing after the branch is integrated into the main code, to make sure the new feature didn't affect anything else unexpectedly. |
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chris |
your branch should have a unit test, that should keep passing once its integrated |
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hdl_laptop |
chris_n: that was my ultimate goal But I had bothe bug fixes and developments. |
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chris_n |
but we are talking here about breaking down the size of the change sets to get them more manageable |
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chris_n |
and with larsw 's thoughts on automated testing of master, that is done w/o much effort |
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chris |
yep, time is always the enemy, but in the long run small branches save time |
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agrees strongly |
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chris |
but you are right there is overhead in shifting to that development model |
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hdl_laptop |
I donot argue. We all have the same goal. We all agree. |
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hdl_laptop |
But the fact is that 3.2 is late and fault is not only ours. |
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chris_n |
I think before we introduce major changes into the code structure, we have to fix the workflow issues |
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chris |
nope, but whose fault it is doesnt matter |
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chris_n |
or it *will* become a horror |
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hdl_laptop |
I agree. |
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chris |
who is going to fix the blockers so we can release |
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chris |
is what matters |
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hdl_laptop |
I am willing to do. And I have this goal. |
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chris |
timebased releases only work if there are no blockers in master .. we need to fix those, and try and make sure they dont happen again then we can move to time based .. imho |
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* chris |
is willing to help too |
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hdl_laptop |
We also have customers. and have to meet their requirements. and answer their daytoday queries. |
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* chris_n |
plans to put time on the 3.0.x to 3.2.x upgrade issues over the next few days |
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chris |
yep, unfortunately so does everyone |
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hdl_laptop |
could we try and organize some meeting about that ? |
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chris |
would be good to have a 3.2 blocker squashing session |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: what would the meeting address? |
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hdl_laptop |
tests and modules repartition between us. |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: I think such a meeting would be good maybe after a few more days of mailing list discussions |
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chris_n |
hi Nate_ |
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hdl_laptop |
No problem, but if all the three of us work on the same part, i think it is quite a shame. |
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chris |
hdl_laptop: are you talking specifically to do with 3.2? |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: I agree with that thought in principle |
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chris |
yes i agree, we should discuss what we are working on so we dont duplicate effort (for the 3.2 blockers) |
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Nate_ |
Hi Chris_n! |
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hdl_laptop |
only 3.2 |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: which is why I'd love to see a system of RFC's *and* more responses when RFCs are posted |
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chris |
hi Nate_ |
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chris |
chris_n: hdl is talking about the blockers for 3.2 |
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Nate_ |
and chris, and hdl_laptop |
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thinks too often when RFCs are posted there is little discussion which follows |
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Nate_ |
:) |
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hdl_laptop |
chris_n: i would too. |
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chris |
chris_n: so a meeting for us to work out who is working on what |
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chris_n |
ahh... well a meeting for blockers would be good |
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chris_n |
and a meeting to fix blockers would be good too :) |
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chris |
:) |
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chris |
but not now, cos its getting late |
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hdl_laptop |
But again it is developer's responsability to post RFCs, and community's to discuss. |
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chris_n |
right and we need the participation of *both* |
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chris |
yep |
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Colin |
discussion seems to approach zero on most rfcs |
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chris_n |
correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that most RFCs get little discussion by the community atm |
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chris_n |
what Colin said :) |
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hdl_laptop |
Colin: unfortunately. |
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chris |
yep, we need to figure out how to stimulate the discussion |
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hdl_laptop |
But saying stricter coding guidelines or introducing Object model are just ideas. |
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jwagner |
I think that may be because the RFC page is a "passive" approach. People have to know it exists, go looking for anything of interest, then comment. |
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chris_n |
first order of business, however, needs to be getting blockers fixed and 3.2 out the door |
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chris |
i vote that if you complain about something, but never said anything when it was RFC phase |
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chris |
we get to throw tomatoes at you |
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jwagner |
Discussion on the mailing list or as followup to a bugzilla entry gets sent out to everyone. |
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chris_n |
chris++ |
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chris |
i have all my best ideas at 1am |
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chris_n |
if we use bugzilla for RFC's it could automatically mail the dev list I think... chris? |
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chris |
yes |
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chris |
if we set the dev list as qa contact |
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chris |
or default cc |
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chris_n |
that would kill two birds with one stone so to speak |
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Colin |
We need a stimulus because there is no discussion now people expect none in the future |
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* chris_n |
apologizes to non-english speakers for the colloquialism |
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chris |
i agree with jwagner that there has to be more fanfare |
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collum |
We could set a little time aside in monthly meetings for open discussion of RFCs. |
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jwagner |
using bugzilla +1 -- if people see a message comming across, they are at least aware of the suggested feature |
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hdl_laptop |
For design purpose, I think that wiki is more handy than mailing list |
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chris |
but you have to announce it on the mailing list |
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chris |
lots of ppl dont check the wiki everyday |
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chris_n |
and it needs to be in bugzilla |
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chris |
and yes in bugzilla |
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chris |
even if its a link to the wiki page |
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* chris_n |
wonders if updates to a page in the wiki could trigger a post to the list? |
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chris |
and we should take the lead |
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chris |
and start commenting |
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chris_n |
yup |
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chris |
even if its just, i think this is a good idea |
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chris |
so that ppl can see discussion happening |
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chris |
and then we can tazer those who dont follow suite |
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* chris |
will have to go to sleep soon, before his ideas get even more ridiculous |
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chris_n |
often the best people to scare up problems are those who know nothing about the thing in question |
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chris |
its true |
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* chris_n |
imagines an in-screen tazer |
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hdl_laptop |
good night chris |
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chris_n |
sleep well chris |
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chris |
have a good day all |
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kmkale |
I would like to know if any of you have recurring monthly / yearly patron fees plus security deposits |
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kmkale |
if yes how do you handle the security deposit part? |
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kmkale |
said security deposit being one time while joining of course.. |
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kmkale |
brb |
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jwagner |
owen, online? |
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owen |
Yes |
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jwagner |
I got your note from the other day, thanks. Sorry I didn't respond yesterday -- it's another week of virtually nonstop meetings. Looks like we'll need to update the XSLT file at some point. |
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jwagner |
I have another problem relating to trying to use multiple URLs ( http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rfaces_by_URL_RFC ) |
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jwagner |
I did that patch to allow the Koha syspref to use an auxiliary stylesheet on a remote server |
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jwagner |
Bug 4447 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4447 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Allow external URL/storage location for XSLT stylesheets |
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jwagner |
However, even if that's in place, the apache setup doesn't pay any attention to it. It wants to look for the specified stylesheet under the opac-tmpl directory tree. |
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jwagner |
I have our programmers looking at that, but has anyone solved that problem yet? Save us reinventing the wheel.... |
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jwagner |
(sorry, Bug 4394 instead) |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL |
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owen |
jwagner: I think you inherited all the major users of the multi-opac feature |
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jwagner |
:-( |
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jwagner |
It's going to take someone who knows apache to figure that part out, I think. But hope springs eternal.... |
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cm |
greetings! can anybody here give me some pointers on using memcached to improve performance? we just went live with 3.2 a couple days ago, and we're finding we have a 6-8 second lag on circ transactions. i'm hoping memcached will help. |
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schuster |
@later tell chris - you are correct passive RFC on wiki people may read, but not comment as they have to "login" to comment, but they also have to GO there to comment. If you have to "pull" ie go there - it is less likely that people will comment or look at it. |
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munin |
schuster: The operation succeeded. |
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schuster |
When I posted a couple of Enhancements last year - I put them in Bugzilla and sent the link out to the community lists to "review/comment" a couple of people "voted" on it so at least people saw it. |
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schuster |
If we recieve an email from Bugzilla can we reply to it with comments? I know you can submit a bug through email and update how about comment? The couple of notifications I have had that a bug was updated I had to go to bugzilla to read the modification. |
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schuster |
Remember - ... I pretend to be techie, but am a librarian.... |
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owen |
Can someone please give Gmail a cup of coffee? I think it was out too late last night. |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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chris_n |
cm: you'll have to ask chris about memcached; its still experimental iirc; chris is in NZ and will probably be back late afternoon EDT time |
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cm |
okay. thanks, chris_n. |
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owen |
Hey, who overwrote my fix for Bug 3926? Oh, me. |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3926 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Managing suggestions: suggestion edit form combines data |
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owen |
does anyone know the status of Bug 2001? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2001 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, unAPI doesn't work without public-facing zebra server running on port 9998 |
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owen |
Didn't I see a patch get submitted for Bug 4427? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4427 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Can't edit patron additional attributes and identifiers |
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owen |
Oh, it got duplicated by 4508 |
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chris_n |
mighty quiet in here today... except for owen and munin |
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owen |
Me an munin are having a two-man bug-squashing party |
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is whittling down his "reported by me and patch-sent" list in Bugzilla |
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applauds owen and munin :-) |
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jwagner |
owen++ |
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loves the new bugzilla "diff" feature |
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owen |
Oooh, hadn't tried that yet. Nice. |
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chris_n |
owen: while you're at it will you verify bug 1931 and close? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1931 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED FIXED, Can't tell which item is being added to a label batch |
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gets inspired and closes a bunch of resolved bugs related to himself |
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chris_n |
found a couple of dropped patches |
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jcamins_ |
Will the kittens be revived now? |
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owen |
That's the nice thing about maintaining a separate branch for each bug/feature |
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owen |
If you keep the branch open until the patch is approved, you'll never lose track |
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chris_n |
these were submitted, but lost in the mailbox shuffle |
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* chris_n |
closed up several blockers |
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* sekjal |
is glad he set his git repo up with separate branches for every bug, development and idea. makes him feel all savvy. |
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owen |
I think everyone agrees separate branches are good, I think we just don't always agree on what a single feature/bug/dev is. |
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it does get tricky when one piece of work connects to another. |
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thinks it is a matter of semantics |
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chris_n |
remember you can branch from a branch from master |
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wonders if grub would work better on a hook fishing than on the mbr of this bucket of parts that calls itself a server :P |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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chris_n |
hi cait and mason |
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cait |
hi chris_n |
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cait |
what is bip? |
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chris_n |
cait: http://bip.t1r.net/ |
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chris_n |
bip is an irc proxy |
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chris_n |
which allows you to remain connected to irc and log into your proxy from multiple locations at once |
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chris_n |
I believe several use it or another one like it |
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* chris_n |
does |
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cait |
chris_n: thx will take a look at bip |
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as you can see, mason uses dircproxy |
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* mason |
waves |
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mason |
im futzing with it riiiiight now :) |
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mason |
cait: try out this little honey first ..... |
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mason |
http://quassel-irc.org/downloads |
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mason |
my fav. :) |
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jcamins_ |
Another option for keeping yourself logged in (and retaining scrollback between different computers) is running, irssi under screen (assuming you have a shell acount somewhere accessible everywhere). |
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jcamins_ |
Although apparently sometimes it randomly adds an underscore to your nick. |
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mason |
jcamins_: so 80's! .. :) |
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mason |
kidding |
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mason |
quassel has client-server processes |
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mason |
multi OS support |
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mason |
and... scrollback loading 'on demand' |
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cait |
thank you all :) |
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mason |
seriously, have a go my fellow IRC buddies... |
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gratuitously tosses server hardware into the middle of I95 south bound lanes |
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or at least gives is consideration ;-) |
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Elwell |
screen + irssi works for me |
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cait |
im not sure I want to appear as online always - and will get messy with my multiple identities :) |
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Elwell |
cait: ah, add in screen-away too |
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Elwell |
and I get pm's and highlights forwarded to phone via prowl |
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jcamins |
Is there any way to run a record matching rule against your current database? |
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cait |
jcamins: no way that i m aware of |
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cait |
what do you want to do, search for duplicates? |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
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jcamins |
I found just found a report in the SQL Reports Library way at the end. |
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jcamins |
And I was able to change it to search by ISBN. |
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cait |
yes, i think sql is the way to go |
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cait |
I use a report to find dublicate entries by 001 |
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jcamins |
Is that report in the SQL Reports Library on the wiki? |
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jcamins |
I just realized something, actually. I really don't want to know what duplicates are in the catalog. |
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jcamins |
So never mind that question. |
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cait |
jcamins: ok ;) |
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jcamins |
cait: Did you ever clone my github repository? I somehow messed up our branch on it, but I don't want to rewrite the history if anyone has cloned the repository. |
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jcamins |
(and I'm pretty sure you're the only person who is working on related changes) |
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cait |
no - not there yet with git |
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jcamins |
Good. |
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cait |
I did some research on analytics |
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jcamins |
(not good that you aren't there yet, but good that you haven't been messed up by my git inexperience) |
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cait |
phone mom |
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cait |
I get article data in a separate field from our union catalog |
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cait |
its not standard, but I could try to translate it for you if you are interested |
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cait |
I wanted to ask my colleague about the field, but she was on vacation |
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jcamins |
I would definitely be interested. |
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cait |
ok, I will try to get it translated next week |
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jcamins |
Thank you! Take your time. |
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cait |
perhaps i can find you some examples too |
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cait |
ah, I think translation is the biggest problem, examples should be easy |
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cait |
writing myself a ticket now :) |
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jwagner |
exit |
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chris_n |
ahh... human 1, hardware 0 |
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owen |
Foolish human |
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chris_n |
:) |
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schuster |
question - so if I use Lars - debian packaging - do I use the install instructions from the get - to install 3.2? |
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chris |
no |
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schuster |
Oh chris... that wasn't the answer I was looking for... |
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chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#To_use |
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chris |
you read the readme file at debian.koha-community.org |
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chris |
that tells you to read that page |
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schuster |
yes I read the debian.koha-community .org |
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chris |
and the wiki page? |
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schuster |
Ah I missed the apt-get install koha piece. So that gets me to alpha1 or alpha2? |
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chris |
neither |
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chris |
it gets you newer than both |
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schuster |
HEAD? |
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chris |
master |
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chris |
Until Koha 3.2 is released, the Koha packages will be built from the master branch, for the squeeze-dev pocket. When Koha 3.2 releases, packages for the squeeze pocket will be built from the 3.2 branch. |
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schuster |
thought I might try it tonight and see how far I get. |
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schuster |
Thanks... |
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chris |
well if you arent running debian testing (aka squeeze) probably not that far |
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schuster |
I have downloaded the iso for netinstall squeeze. |
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schuster |
I did read that much... :) |
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chris |
sweet :) |
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schuster |
But that was as far as I had gotten.. Getting close to end of day so thought I would ask about the koha install part. |
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schuster |
which you so kindly answered. |
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pianohackr|work |
evening? |
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pianohackr|work |
No, afternoon |
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pianohackr|work |
Afternoon, everyone! |
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sekjal |
afternoon, pianohackr|work |
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pianohackr|work |
Hi, ian |
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pianohackr|work |
brendan says he's been keeping you quite busy |
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sekjal |
indeed he has |
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owen |
Hi pianohackr|work |
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pianohackr|work |
Hi owen |
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hdl_laptop |
hi pianohackr|work |
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hdl_laptop |
hi all |
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pianohackr|work |
Hi, hdl_laptop |
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chris |
hi and by pianohackr|work |
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chris |
bye too |
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pianohackr|work |
cya chris |
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* chris |
wanders off for the day |
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pianohackr|work |
have a good one |
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pianohackr|work |
Hi, nengard, richard |
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nengard |
WOW! Hi pianohacker! long time no see ;) |
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richard |
hi pianohacker and nengard |
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pianohackr|work |
It has been a while :) |
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pianohackr|work |
How are you, nengard? |
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owen |
pianohackr|work: Have you had any time for Koha lately? |
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pianohackr|work |
finally, yes |
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pianohackr|work |
Working on getting my library's stuff submitted, so brendan's support job is easier |
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nengard |
pianohacker - wiped out - was in NYC speaking today and just got back |
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pianohackr|work |
nengard: You do travel an incredibly large amount |
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nengard |
way too much! |
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chris_n |
heya pianohackr|work |
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pianohackr|work |
Hi, chris_n |
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chris_n |
long time no type |
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pianohackr|work |
Very |
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pianohackr|work |
finally graduated, so one less monkey on my back for a little while |
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chris_n |
congrats |
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nengard |
woo hoo!! |
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pianohackr|work |
thanks |
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* chris_n |
thinks his hardware is attempting a flanking maneuver |
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owen |
Whoops, didn't realize it was so late! |
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pianohackr|work |
Bye, owen :) |
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owen |
Bye! |
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pianohackr|work |
chris_n: Hardware has a bad habit of doing that. We have a server that is rebooting for no good reason ourselves |
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chris_n |
@later tell owen that's what happens when you work on Koha: you loose track of time having so much fun |
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munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
:) |
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pianohackr|work |
Only exception is resolving merge conflicts |
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wasabi |
*shazzam*, irc makeover... |
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richard |
heh |
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wasabi |
why helllo richard |
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wasabi |
ill flick you my OO invoice-tmpl sometime |
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wasabi |
it twas orig. cribbed off the katipo one |
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wasabi |
but now, a PPM train to catch... |
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richard |
ah. ours are made by ugly old myob |
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wasabi |
ahh, i pinched the layout from yours, then :) |
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wasabi |
bbl |
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cait |
good night all |
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larsw |
I've updated the Debian packages for Koha to match current git master tip, and published them on debian.koha-community.org |
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larsw |
I don't think I am going to be announcing them in the future, though -- basically, whenever I see galen has updated the master branch I build new packages (if I am at work) |
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gmcharlt |
larsw++ |
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chris_n |
git on windows stinks |
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begins a fresh install of Koha on Win32 from master |
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New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4845 change language from reserves to holds <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b7b3a11516e92d571> / German web installer files, including translation of MARC21 frameworks <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]727204496187833db> |
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gmcharlt, are you pushing more stuff soon to master? |
