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brendan |
heya chris_n |
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howdy brendan |
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phasefx_ stay still |
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heya chris, brendan |
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hey Amit |
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cait |
morning #koha |
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Colin |
morning cait |
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jransom |
hiya all |
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magnus |
anyone here going to ELAG in Helsinki next week? interested in some kind of koha meetup? |
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reed |
chris, -- think we could get buzilla to act like wrms and adapt tim's autobuild goo for koha RCs? |
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reed |
maybe we even fund tim to do the adaptation, he'd enjoy that |
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kmkale |
Good afternoon |
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slef |
morning... meeting in 2 hours? |
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cait |
in 1 I think |
| 09:00 |
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paul_p |
slef, cait is right, meeting in 1 hour |
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slef |
ok, sorry, I was reading from my calendar |
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slef |
someone had already adjusted to BST |
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slef |
thanks davi ;-) |
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cait |
hi paul_p |
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cait |
and hi slef, sorry, still reading mails |
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slef |
cait: bah. I have 4500 of them queued :( |
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slef |
one of my mailservers was offline earlier - hopefully not due to my mailbox! |
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cait |
thats why I still read my mails when on vacation |
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davi |
np |
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chris |
reed: yep i am sure we could do that |
| 09:34 |
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reed |
cool |
| 09:34 |
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reed |
I'll drop tim a note, he'll get all antsy and excited and have it done by the morning |
| 09:35 |
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chris |
heh |
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chris |
people would have to name their branches after a bug |
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chris |
which is no bad thing |
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reed |
which'll put us behind on the world cup stuff but.. |
| 09:35 |
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reed |
i have to say I really to like the scheme we've been using |
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reed |
i thought it was crazy but it really works |
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chris |
or i'd do that, ie when a patch comes in, make a branch |
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chris |
apply it to that, the autobuilder merges it |
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chris |
(when we set some status) |
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chris |
hudson runs tests |
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chris |
asplodes, we pull the branch back out |
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chris |
it doesnt asplode, it stays in |
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reed |
could auto-set the status so it drops out of next build |
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chris |
yep |
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reed |
er, there's a merge fail list that comes in the autobuild mail |
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chris |
yeah |
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reed |
that protects the build |
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reed |
separate is the merge test w/fail mails |
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reed |
but yeah, separate test after the build which would take part of Kathy's job |
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reed |
cool |
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chris |
evening larsw |
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larsw |
good evening |
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reed |
hey |
| 09:43 |
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larsw |
am I right that there's a meeting in 15 min? |
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reed |
i think so |
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chris |
10 UTC |
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chris |
so yeah 15 mins i think |
| 09:45 |
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chris |
yep, thats what wolframalpha tells me |
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chris |
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+UTC |
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* kmkale |
thinks 10 UTC is a gr8 time to have meetings |
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chris |
pretty early for the usians, but works for the rest of us :) |
| 09:49 |
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chris |
i like the idea of shifting it round, so no everyone has to do a bad time at least once :) |
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reed |
ooh, yeah, so, is pretty bad for US west coast |
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chris |
yeah, brendan sends his apologies |
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vokalrcp |
OK for east coast, though :) |
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reed |
6am? |
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vokalrcp |
Yup |
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reed |
ick |
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chris |
hello vermont :-) |
| 09:51 |
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vokalrcp |
Hello back atcha |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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vokalrcp |
Good morning |
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* gmcharlt |
offers a shiny new free ILS to whoever sends coffee |
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chris |
heh |
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Colin |
one virtual espresso coming up |
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chris |
hiya Colin |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: giving you coffe. |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop++ |
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gmcharlt |
Colin++ |
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chris |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financier_(pastry) <-- im addicted to the nz version of these, the cafe i get my morning coffee from sells them |
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vokalrcp |
YUM! |
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chris |
morning nengard |
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jransom |
evening all |
| 10:00 |
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vokalrcp |
Morning! :) |
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thd |
I have been too sleep deprived for a month. |
| 10:01 |
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nengard |
i'm so going to lock my boy up today!!! we were woken up by him jumping on the bed and off the bed and spinning around on the floor and on the bed and off the bed!! |
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nengard |
and he knows what time we wake up - and it's not at 5am |
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davi |
no comment :) |
| 10:01 |
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gmcharlt |
it's now time for the meeting |
| 10:01 |
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gmcharlt |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_June_2_2010 |
| 10:02 |
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thd |
nengard: You should discover the joy of jumping on beds |
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nengard |
hehe |
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gmcharlt |
let's start with a round of intros |
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* gmcharlt |
= Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM |
| 10:02 |
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cait |
= Katrin Fischer |
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jransom |
Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ |
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* slef |
= MJ Ray, member of software.coop |
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davi |
Davi Diaz (worker for software.coop) |
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magnus |
Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
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Colin |
= Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe |
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reed |
Reed Wade, Catalyst, NZ |
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thd |
Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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* larsw |
= Lars Wirzenius, Catalyst IT (did some Debian packaging for Koha) |
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* nengard |
= Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions |
| 10:03 |
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chris |
chris cormack, catalyst IT |
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vokalrcp |
=Richard Pritsky, vokal |
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kmkale |
=Koustubha Kale anantcorp.com and granthalaya.org |
| 10:04 |
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* hdl_laptop |
Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre SARL |
| 10:04 |
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* hdl_laptop |
Henri-Damien LAURENT, Release maintainer 3.0 |
| 10:05 |
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chris |
oh yeah, RM 3.4 |
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bgkriegel |
bgkriegel, Cordoba, Argentina, |
| 10:07 |
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* paul_p |
Paul Poulain, BibLibre (almost here, not 100% maybe) |
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hdl_laptop |
(congrats bgkriegel) |
| 10:08 |
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juan |
Juan Sieira, Xercode Media Software, Spain |
| 10:08 |
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miguel |
hi, Miguel A. Calvo, Xercode , Spain |
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bgkriegel |
thank you hdl_laptop |
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slef |
gmcharlt: are you there and ready to give Update on Roadmap to 3.2? |
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slef |
I think maybe gmcharlt is fighting a grue. Maybe hdl_laptop would like to start with the Update on Roadmap to 3.0? |
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juan |
yes |
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hdl_laptop |
slef: ok.. |
| 10:10 |
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hdl_laptop |
3.0.6 was released. |
| 10:11 |
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slef |
yippee! |
| 10:11 |
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hdl_laptop |
I think one more release and we are set. |
| 10:11 |
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hdl_laptop |
3.2 will be the stable release. |
| 10:13 |
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slef |
OK - anything else? |
| 10:13 |
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slef |
Any idea when that release will be? |
| 10:14 |
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chris |
and what will it contain? |
| 10:14 |
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chris |
are the bugs in 3.0.6 that require a 3.0.7? |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
the agenda is |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
# Update on Roadmap to 3.2. |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
# Update on Roadmap to 3.0. |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
Discuss switching licensing for all new code submissions to Affero General Public License (AGPL) |
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gmcharlt |
(If time permits) Revisit vendor listing requirements on koha-community.org |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
info koha.org address: |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
Agree times of next meetings. |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
regarding 3.2 |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
I am close to being ready to release the beta |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
at this point, several blockers are yet to be resolved |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
at present, the most important ones are |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
@bug 4310 |
| 10:15 |
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* gmcharlt |
pauses to kick munin |
| 10:15 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2 |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
any, bug 4310 - no migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2 |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
bug 4141 - reconciliation of database changes from 3.0.x to 3.2 |
| 10:15 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2 |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
bug 3756 - no way to add local use sysprefs |
| 10:15 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4141 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, reconcile 3.0.x and HEAD database updates for 3.2.0 |
| 10:15 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference |
| 10:15 |
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slef |
wb gmcharlt |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
most of the other remaining blockers are for 3.4 |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
or appear to be ready to close but just need the reporter to confirm |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
consequently, assuming adequate progress on those, I expect to release the beta some time next week |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
once the beta is out, there will be a total string freeze |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
questions thus far? |
| 10:15 |
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* gmcharlt |
is back |
| 10:15 |
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gmcharlt |
sorry, net access had dropped |
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* gmcharlt |
checks the IRC logs to see what he needs to paste back |
| 10:15 |
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slef |
maybe hdl_laptop would like to answer chris, while we digest gmcharlt's resync-flood |
| 10:16 |
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hdl_laptop |
there are still some bugs in 3.0.7 that we fixed. |
| 10:16 |
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hdl_laptop |
And those fix will hit 3.2. |
| 10:17 |
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hdl_laptop |
those bugs are referenced in bugs.koha-community.org and nahuel sent patches |
| 10:17 |
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slef |
I'm pretty sure we've published some fixes which haven't been included yet, that I need to rebase, retest and send a pull-request. Is koha-patcheslists.koha-community.org better than patcheskoha.org was? |
| 10:17 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: yes, use koha-patcheslists.koha-community.org |
| 10:18 |
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davi |
I think the migration to koha-community.org is complete |
| 10:18 |
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gmcharlt |
regarding release of 3.2 |
| 10:19 |
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gmcharlt |
what I would like to ask for at this point is a pause for people to focus on 3.2 for the next couple weeks rather than 3.4 |
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slef |
davi: I still meet lots of broken links on wiki.koha-community.org |
| 10:19 |
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gmcharlt |
sooner 3.2 is wrapped up, the sooner we can devote all of our energies to 3.4 |
| 10:20 |
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chris |
i agree |
| 10:20 |
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gmcharlt |
to that end, I would like to request |
| 10:20 |
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davi |
ack slef |
| 10:20 |
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gmcharlt |
(a) please go through all of your open bugs; any that can be closed, please do so |
| 10:20 |
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gmcharlt |
w/o naming names, there are several individuals who have dozens or even hundreds of bugs who they opened that can be closed now |
| 10:21 |
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gmcharlt |
and even if we don't get that cleaned up for 3.2, we need to clean that up soon |
| 10:21 |
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gmcharlt |
possible planning for a big bug culling as 3.4 gets underway |
| 10:21 |
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gmcharlt |
(b) please focus on blockers and major acq bugs |
| 10:22 |
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gmcharlt |
and I issue a special call to BibLibre to help out on this - there are a number of bugs for new_acq that have been reported |
| 10:22 |
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slef |
Did I see that we can email bugzilla now? Can we get lists and/or close bugs by email? |
| 10:23 |
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hdl_laptop |
BibLibre will do. |
| 10:23 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: AFAIK, emailing bugzilla let's you create a bug or update one; dunno if you can close a bug that way, maybe chris would know |
| 10:23 |
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chris |
nope, you cant |
| 10:24 |
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gmcharlt |
any other questions about 3.2? |
| 10:24 |
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slef |
only that bug 4141 seems like hell - are there enough people to work on it? |
| 10:24 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4141 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, reconcile 3.0.x and HEAD database updates for 3.2.0 |
| 10:25 |
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chris |
i will be sending some fixes for acquisitions in the next few weeks |
| 10:25 |
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larsw |
gmcharlt, I will probably want to fix some more things in the Debian packaging, is that ok to send patches for? (i.e., are they likely to be accepted or just noise right now?) |
| 10:25 |
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chris |
as i fix them at HLT |
| 10:25 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: that will need a full court press; me, chris, hdl_laptop, possibly chris_n when he gets back from vacation |
| 10:25 |
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gmcharlt |
any help on that one gratefully accepted |
| 10:25 |
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nengard |
slef: re wiki links - these are the pages I didn't get to move over: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ecial:WantedPages before the old site went down - as for links to outside sites I didn't check them - was just rushing to get the stuff moved |
| 10:26 |
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gmcharlt |
larsw: debian packaging fixes are fine - at this point, they are pretty much auto-accepted by me |
| 10:27 |
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larsw |
nengard, would running an automatic link checker against the website and/or the wiki be helpful? |
| 10:27 |
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nengard |
whatever works for the most people :) |
| 10:28 |
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cait |
I have two more patches ready, addition of $w subfields to all marc21 frameworks and an index for them, any chance to get them in? or just send an mark them for 3.4? |
| 10:28 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: ^^ could you check for whether MediaWIki has a built-in link checker (for external links?) |
| 10:28 |
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chris |
i think 4141 is a good example of what we dont want to do with 3.2.x and 3.4.x .. i think database changes in the stable branch should not be made unless they are made first in the development branch and backported |
| 10:29 |
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davi |
chris++ |
| 10:29 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: anything which is not built in to MediaWiki is available by extension or script |
| 10:29 |
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hdl_laptop |
most of the database changes were systempreferences adding |
| 10:29 |
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chris |
i think the rule still applies |
| 10:30 |
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slef |
I remain of the opinion that breaking database changes into small SQL files and using Make or similar to resolve the dependencies is the way to make that easier, but this is an argument I've failed to persuade people about before already, so I'm not going to dwell on it unless people are interested to hear it again. |
| 10:30 |
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gmcharlt |
well, one thing to consider for 3.4 is removing the need to have an explicit database update for new sysprefs; I think we're 80% of the way towards being able to do that |
| 10:31 |
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chris |
*nod* |
| 10:31 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: one of the possibilities offered by DBIx::Class, which chris is proposing for 3.4, is that it can help automate most schema updates |
| 10:32 |
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chris |
in fact the schema parts of DBIx::Class are what interest me most |
| 10:32 |
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gmcharlt |
which may remove some of the redundancy of having one file with the complete schema and a separate script that updates a database |
| 10:32 |
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gmcharlt |
but dragging this conversation back to 3.2 |
| 10:32 |
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chris |
:) |
| 10:32 |
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gmcharlt |
any questions before we move on? |
| 10:32 |
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slef |
I've not reviewed that proposal. I'm still very much back in 3.0, which is frustrating but a challenge I must deal with. |
| 10:33 |
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chris |
not from me, i think its up to us to get the blockers fixed so you can release it |
| 10:33 |
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slef |
Not from me. |
| 10:33 |
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chris |
i dont think anyone could ask anything else from you |
| 10:33 |
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gmcharlt |
ok |
| 10:33 |
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gmcharlt |
the next agenda item is 3.0 - hdl_laptop mentioned plans to release a 3.0.7, which will be the final release on 3.0.x (assuming no security critical bug crops up, I assume) |
| 10:33 |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: anything more you'd like to say about 3.0.x? |
| 10:34 |
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hdl_laptop |
no. |
| 10:34 |
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hdl_laptop |
unless you have questions. |
| 10:35 |
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slef |
not from me |
| 10:36 |
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gmcharlt |
ok, thanks |
| 10:36 |
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gmcharlt |
onward |
| 10:36 |
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gmcharlt |
follow up from action items from last meeting - I think there were none |
| 10:37 |
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gmcharlt |
so, unless there is something to follow-up on, moving to |
| 10:37 |
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gmcharlt |
# Discuss switching licensing for all new code submissions to Affero General Public License (AGPL) |
| 10:37 |
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thd |
I have been consulting with SFLC on what would be required |
| 10:38 |
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thd |
I had a meeting with Aaron Williams at SFLC last week |
| 10:38 |
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thd |
Not all my questions have been answered |
| 10:39 |
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slef |
I think this is a really bad idea as explained in http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]0-May/023816.html |
| 10:39 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: you were asking about the AGPL? |
| 10:39 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: Yes |
| 10:39 |
|
thd |
I have also been asking about objections from slef |
| 10:39 |
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thd |
I have been very thorough |
| 10:39 |
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slef |
Is there code under *GPLv3 which we want to integrate imminently? |
| 10:40 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: since this is a matter of general *project* debate, I would like to ask you to send a precis of your discussions with Aaron to koha-devel as soon as practical |
| 10:40 |
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thd |
I fell asleep at midnight drafting the answers thus far |
| 10:40 |
|
thd |
I have been much sleep deprived the past month |
| 10:41 |
|
davi |
Under AGPLv3, vendor lock-in is not possible: That is false (still achievable through access control, particularly to the databases) |
| 10:41 |
|
davi |
you have to provide source download |
| 10:41 |
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thd |
Unfortunately, there is no email response to simply post |
| 10:41 |
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davi |
of course not data base download, as data is owned ususaly by each user individually |
| 10:42 |
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davi |
I own my photo, and so on |
| 10:42 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: there is no GPL3 code that I'm aware of that we have a specific technical desire to integrate into Koha at the moment |
| 10:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
of course, that could change at any point giving a sufficiently shiny new dependency that would be a useful addition to Koha |
| 10:42 |
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slef |
davi: you are making my point. The vendor can lock the database to offsite access. AGPLv3 does not (and a copyright license cannot) prevent that. |
| 10:42 |
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thd |
I had finished drafting a list of questions in the middle of the month but I could not obtain immediate answers |
| 10:42 |
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davi |
protect against source code locking in hosting a the plush of AGPLv3 |
| 10:43 |
|
davi |
plus* |
| 10:43 |
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davi |
addition* |
| 10:43 |
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thd |
I added slef's issues about which I intended to follow up during my meeting |
| 10:43 |
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davi |
(read the added license section) |
| 10:43 |
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davi |
is it just the GPLv3 with a new section |
| 10:43 |
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gmcharlt |
protection of the access to the library's data if they are hosted is probably best done as a contractual matter; and it's increasingly common for libraries to insist on that |
| 10:44 |
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thd |
Some answers are awaiting Aaron consulting with Eben Moglen who has been travelling. |
| 10:44 |
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davi |
slef, without AGPLv3 the vendor can lock both data and _source code_ |
| 10:44 |
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davi |
which a fork actually |
| 10:44 |
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| 10:44 |
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gmcharlt |
I think AGPL3, insofar as it we're debating it, is relevant to the source code only |
| 10:44 |
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chris |
*nod* |
| 10:44 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: We could write a script available on the admin side to dump the database for the user. |
| 10:44 |
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slef |
So libraries should simply add access to the program code as a contractual matter too. It's in software.coop's contracts in a much clearer and less obnoxious manner than AGPL3. |
| 10:45 |
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davi |
AGPLv3 do not force publish data, of course. That would be a lack of common sense |
| 10:45 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: yep - in fact, such a script was submitted by larsw recently |
| 10:45 |
|
reed |
it could be worth handling the data lock in issue via a code of conduct |
| 10:45 |
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thd |
... I mean a script available from the web interface of course |
| 10:45 |
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chris |
thd: thats what it is |
| 10:45 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: yep, that's what I mean |
| 10:45 |
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davi |
AGPLv3 protect against lock-in the source code. It does not talk about data |
| 10:45 |
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davi |
base |
| 10:46 |
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thd |
davi: Yes, data is not covered by the license for the software |
| 10:46 |
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davi |
*nod* |
| 10:46 |
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* gmcharlt |
has a suggestion |
| 10:47 |
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gmcharlt |
which is to punt - since thd has taken upon himself to ask the SFLC about the legalities, I suggest that we wait for him to report back to koha-devel |
| 10:47 |
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chris |
yep |
| 10:47 |
|
reed |
+1 |
| 10:47 |
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larsw |
I agree, but suggest we have a deadline so this does not drag on indefinitely |
| 10:47 |
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gmcharlt |
and table this for now |
| 10:47 |
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davi |
+1 |
| 10:47 |
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slef |
Trouble is, people seem to argue against me based on whether access to source code is a good thing: I acknowledge it is, but I don't think that AGPL is a good form of it. |
| 10:47 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: s/table/shelve/ |
| 10:47 |
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thd |
You can make the deadline for initial report today |
| 10:47 |
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slef |
or postpone, even clearer |
| 10:48 |
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thd |
There are more responses and clarification yet needed from SFLC. |
| 10:48 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: larsw: in that case, given that the report is expected imminintly, I propose this |
| 10:48 |
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gmcharlt |
that the issue become the topic of a special IRC meeting to be held in July |
| 10:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
with the goal of organizing a project vote some time that month |
| 10:49 |
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chris |
+! |
| 10:49 |
|
thd |
There are some major issues about which I do not yet have a complete answer. |
| 10:49 |
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chris |
1 even |
| 10:49 |
|
davi |
+1 |
| 10:49 |
|
larsw |
+1 |
| 10:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
to settle, at least for now, whether we go with GPL3, APGL3, or remain at the status quo |
| 10:49 |
|
Colin |
+1 |
| 10:49 |
|
thd |
+1 |
| 10:49 |
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hdl_laptop |
+1 |
| 10:49 |
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slef |
+0 I am away both ends of July in places where connectivity is uncertain. |
| 10:50 |
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larsw |
(switching to agpl3+ for new code is fairly low-risk, if we keep track of copyright owners, and can get them to agree to go back to gpl2+ or gpl3+ if we decide that agpl3+ was a bad idea) |
| 10:50 |
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thd |
slef should be present |
| 10:50 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: I agree |
| 10:50 |
|
thd |
as I pointed out at the previous meeting |
| 10:50 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: does early August work better? |
| 10:50 |
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slef |
larsw: depends if you regard agpl3 as low risk with all its unanswered questions. |
| 10:50 |
|
chris |
lets not debate it now |
| 10:51 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: no. July avoiding ends would be fine. |
| 10:51 |
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larsw |
slef, switching to agpl and then back is a pretty low-risk thing regardless of what agpl says |
| 10:51 |
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larsw |
(but enough for now) |
| 10:51 |
|
davi |
larsw, slef: I see all question rightly answered. People have just to read the license |
| 10:51 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: OK, then mid-July |
| 10:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
looking at calendar |
| 10:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
I propose Tuesday, 13 July for the discussion |
| 10:52 |
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thd |
davi: There are issues which even I had not expected. |
| 10:52 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: +1 |
| 10:52 |
|
thd |
+1 |
| 10:52 |
|
hdl_laptop |
+1 |
| 10:52 |
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davi |
thd, I have put AGPLv3 into practise and I have not had any issue. Other project has done the same. No problems detected |
| 10:52 |
|
larsw |
+1 |
| 10:52 |
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| 10:52 |
|
davi |
+1 |
| 10:53 |
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gmcharlt |
19:00 UTC+0? |
| 10:53 |
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thd |
davi: as slef correctly identifies, there are burdens with the license |
| 10:53 |
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slef |
davi: you lost at least one contributor. |
| 10:54 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: ok |
| 10:54 |
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davi |
thd, We have not detected any one, neither FSF on several projects |
| 10:54 |
|
davi |
It will be good to hear them at the next IRC meeting |
| 10:54 |
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thd |
davi: detected? |
| 10:55 |
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gmcharlt |
OK, then Tuesday 13 July at 19:00 UTC+0 there will be a special IRC meeting to discuss the licensing question, and to either vote on (or arrange an email poll or other type of vote) to settle the issue for 3.4 |
| 10:55 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 10:55 |
|
thd |
davi: Did you mean contacted? |
| 10:55 |
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hdl_laptop |
ok |
| 10:56 |
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davi |
thd, We have not detected any AGPLv3 license burden while using and applying it on several projects |
| 10:56 |
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slef |
I would be interested to know what will happen to GPL2 or GPL2+/GPL3+ contributions if the majority choose AGPL3+ - rejection? Alternative branch? |
| 10:56 |
|
slef |
but that's not for now |
| 10:56 |
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chris |
there should be no GPL2 code, its all GPL2+ |
| 10:56 |
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gmcharlt |
agreed, we need to move on in the agenda |
| 10:56 |
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thd |
slef: that is a possibility if people want that |
| 10:56 |
|
chris |
but yeah lets move |
| 10:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
5. Revisit vendor listing requirements on koha-community.org. |
| 10:56 |
|
davi |
What would happen to GPLv3/AGPLv3 contribution if the majority choose GPLv2 |
| 10:57 |
|
davi |
? |
| 10:57 |
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thd |
davi: alternative builds perhaps |
| 10:57 |
|
slef |
OK, I proposed anti-privatisation and linkback requirements. |
| 10:57 |
|
davi |
thd, ack |
| 10:58 |
|
chris |
i say list everyone or list no one |
| 10:58 |
|
slef |
I feel that it's a mistake to link from koha-community to koha companies that oppose the community, through either holding domains/TMs/other legal tricks, or by linking only to other community sites. |
| 10:58 |
|
thd |
+1 chris |
| 10:58 |
|
eiro_ |
hello world |
| 10:59 |
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slef |
chris: why do you want to force it to be all or nothing? |
| 10:59 |
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davi |
I propose list no one |
| 10:59 |
|
chris |
why dont you? |
| 10:59 |
|
larsw |
I propose keeping the list in the wiki, and allowing anyone to list themselves if they provide Koha services of any kind; if there's a dispute, the next monthly meeting on irc can vote on it |
| 11:00 |
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chris |
id support that, lets just pull it from the koha-community site and put it on the wiki |
| 11:00 |
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slef |
chris: I think supporters of koha-community should be supported by the site in turn. |
| 11:00 |
|
davi |
it is unfair under current implementation |
| 11:00 |
|
davi |
some get lost of hits other none |
| 11:00 |
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slef |
I think keeping the list in the wiki advantages companies with marketing staff or possibly wikirobots. |
| 11:00 |
|
chris |
im serious about just removing it |
| 11:00 |
|
davi |
Also it is unfair under "contribution and community involvement" principle |
| 11:01 |
|
chris |
because i think this is a total waste of time |
| 11:01 |
|
davi |
chris++ |
| 11:01 |
|
davi |
and unfair, lot of unfair |
| 11:01 |
|
davi |
Type3 has removed it |
| 11:01 |
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slef |
I think if no list is offered by the main site, there will be lots of worse lists created by others. |
| 11:02 |
|
davi |
each provider can have one |
| 11:02 |
|
chris |
lets paint it orange!! |
| 11:02 |
|
davi |
chris++ |
| 11:02 |
|
thd |
I agree with slef's concern about how the wiki might too easily become on topic spam |
| 11:02 |
|
slef |
and people picking at near-random from search results (which is OK for us, but not great for the community). |
| 11:02 |
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davi |
Let allow Google work |
| 11:03 |
|
slef |
chris: if you don't want to do the work, please stand aside. |
| 11:03 |
|
chris |
like i was ever in the way |
| 11:03 |
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chris |
good grief |
| 11:03 |
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slef |
So no-one's willing to support a list with requirements. I guess that only leaves the wiki as viable. |
| 11:04 |
|
reed |
the problem w/reqs was, as discussed a while back, that application becomes a pain |
| 11:04 |
|
davi |
I prefer a wiki with requirements that current state |
| 11:04 |
|
davi |
I fear a wiki would be even worse |
| 11:04 |
|
slef |
chris: so you were heckling or joking that "im serious about just removing it"? |
| 11:05 |
|
thd |
davi: Google is not the solution to life. I suspect that you would have difficulty finding all the companies providing Koha support using Google alone without an explicit list for Google to index. |
| 11:05 |
|
chris |
im serious that i think we should just remove it |
| 11:05 |
|
reed |
i think having a list of support companies has value to people wanting to use koha -- but I sell services so it's in my interest |
| 11:05 |
|
chris |
its not like im going to go delete it now or something |
| 11:05 |
|
chris |
and you know that |
| 11:05 |
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slef |
reed: as I mentioned a while back, it depends on the requirements. LibLime's requirements weren't great, shall we say. |
| 11:05 |
|
davi |
chris, That is because a good listing should be set up: |
| 11:05 |
|
davi |
a map? |
| 11:05 |
|
davi |
a geographic listing? |
| 11:05 |
|
davi |
a by language listing? |
| 11:05 |
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thd |
davi: Google disadvantages new websites in their weightings generally. |
| 11:05 |
|
reed |
slef, I'm not up on what those were |
| 11:06 |
|
slef |
reed: people ask on list for a list occasionally |
| 11:06 |
|
davi |
Current listing is very unfair |
| 11:06 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'translation' of git://git.workbuffer.org/git/koha into to-push <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6bcb07699c713f226> / System Preference updates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aa6a81a782780fc10> / Raft of language updates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6a495a010d9d33c45 |
| 11:06 |
|
reed |
davi, agree a randomiser would be better than a static list |
| 11:06 |
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slef |
reed: want me to find them? |
| 11:07 |
|
davi |
We have the past and current experience. I am sure we can work out a better and fair listing |
| 11:07 |
|
davi |
reed ++ |
| 11:07 |
|
reed |
slef, only mildly curious -- more interested in what the best thing to do is |
| 11:07 |
|
davi |
randomised listing ++ |
| 11:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, let's step back a minute |
| 11:08 |
|
davi |
Each month such random could be changed |
| 11:08 |
|
davi |
randomised logos table at top |
| 11:08 |
|
thd |
When the issue became controversial there was some support for multiple pages with different ordering of those listed allowing the user to choose a preference for the presentation of material. |
| 11:08 |
|
davi |
Current listing without logos is not good |
| 11:08 |
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gmcharlt |
as far as the format of the list is concerned, I know that wizzyrea has expressed willingness in the past to work on doing things like adding maps, providing sorting optoins, etc. |
| 11:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
so I'd like to suggest that we not discuss formatting issues for now |
| 11:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
and go back to the requirements questions |
| 11:09 |
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davi |
thd, different orders is not good idea. Better randomised, maybe changed each month |
| 11:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
as I understand it, slef is proposing adding two requirements |
| 11:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
(a) Can we add a solidarity clause? |
| 11:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
(b) requirement to link back to koha-community.org |
| 11:10 |
|
davi |
(a) ++ |
| 11:10 |
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thd |
davi: randomised could be one of the orders :) |
| 11:10 |
|
davi |
(b) ++ |
| 11:10 |
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| 11:10 |
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davi |
thd, randomised should be the default order |
| 11:10 |
|
davi |
if any other is added |
| 11:10 |
|
reed |
b+++, a0 seems too thorny to manage |
| 11:10 |
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slef |
(it's nice to see that I actually agree with davi on something after that AGPL3 discussion ;-) ) |
| 11:11 |
|
davi |
we both are good guys, so at the end we agree :) |
| 11:11 |
|
chris |
b i could live with |
| 11:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
as far as the solidarity clause is concerned - IMO, there are a number of problems defining it - obviously one vendor suing another is bad, but one *can't* always determine whether such action has anything to do with community interests; there is always the possiblility of a plain old commercial dispute |
| 11:11 |
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chris |
a is going to get messy fast |
| 11:12 |
|
Colin |
although it sounds a bit needy |
| 11:12 |
|
thd |
On the mailing list, the concern was expressed about who will judge (a) |
| 11:12 |
|
hdl_laptop |
solidarity clause could be better managed with a Koha kaitiaki group. |
| 11:12 |
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slef |
b might actually equate to a in practice - if they have their own koha astroturf site, they probably won't link back to koha-community.org |
| 11:12 |
|
davi |
the community, we, here |
| 11:12 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But could really be messy to implement just now. |
| 11:13 |
|
thd |
Ensuring objectivity about (a) could be difficult |
| 11:13 |
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davi |
it would be a get-out what we are sure if obvious bad |
| 11:13 |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: right - we don't have an active individual kaitiaki at present, and while a kaitiaki committee may be a good alternative, it would take time for it to be formally constited and build credibility |
| 11:14 |
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slef |
so I'd settle for b alone |
| 11:14 |
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slef |
let's drop a for now |
| 11:14 |
|
vokalrcp |
Start w/ b, revisit a if problems actually arise. |
| 11:14 |
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tajoli |
Hi to all, also I for b) only, now |
| 11:14 |
|
reed |
refinement of b -- link should be not tiny and appear on same page that we're linking to |
| 11:15 |
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hdl_laptop |
and then and then... |
| 11:15 |
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davi |
+1 |
| 11:15 |
|
reed |
maybe have a community badge image |
| 11:15 |
|
cait |
and there the problems start... |
| 11:15 |
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slef |
Colin: linkback is common practice even for some paid-for listings. |
| 11:15 |
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thd |
reed: For those interested, language about prominent could be borrowed from GPL 3 / AGPL 3 |
| 11:15 |
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Colin |
b is already going to start generating loads of legalese |
| 11:15 |
|
* gmcharlt |
calls for a vote |
| 11:15 |
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gmcharlt |
I'm going to split it into too |
| 11:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
first |
| 11:16 |
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cait |
Im for different sorting options and 'offering koha services' without additional requirements |
| 11:16 |
|
munin |
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| 11:16 |
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slef |
reed: search engines don't care about tiny. Same page makes it easier to check. |
| 11:16 |
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thd |
I am not certain what (b) entails |
| 11:16 |
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davi |
(b) requirement to link back to koha-community.org |
| 11:16 |
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slef |
Let's let gmcharlt state some precise wording for it. |
| 11:16 |
|
Colin |
I think b means we revisit the argument monthly |
| 11:17 |
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chris |
Colin++ |
| 11:17 |
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thd |
Colin++ |
| 11:17 |
|
slef |
Colin-- |
| 11:17 |
|
davi |
Colin-- |
| 11:17 |
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thd |
slef: perhaps you could explain what you intend (b) to mean |
| 11:17 |
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davi |
It is just a link back, which is fair |
| 11:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
for new requests to be listed, the vendor listing must link provide a link to koha-community.org; link must be eye-reable and speakable by screen reader software, but with no requirements about the form of the link otherwise |
| 11:18 |
|
thd |
Do you mean that any iamkoha.org site must redirect to koha-community.org? |
| 11:18 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: no, I do not |
| 11:18 |
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slef |
thd: gmcharlt's wording accurately captures it. |
| 11:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
merely that the vendor's page listing their Koha services m |
| 11:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
scratch that |
| 11:19 |
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Colin |
and how is this verified and by whom? |
| 11:19 |
|
davi |
gmcharlt++ |
| 11:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
that the vendor's page listing their Koha services must have the link back |
| 11:19 |
|
chris |
and how often is it verified |
| 11:19 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: +1 |
| 11:19 |
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gmcharlt |
Colin: verification by the current webmaster, wizzyrea |
| 11:19 |
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reed |
chris, enforcement department is separate |
| 11:19 |
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davi |
chris, verified on demand if needed |
| 11:19 |
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davi |
so soft |
| 11:20 |
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gmcharlt |
if challenged, to become a matter of public debate |
| 11:20 |
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slef |
It's verified by finding the link, by anyone handling the listing, reverified on demand and passed to the same process as a listing where "X no longer offers koha services". |
| 11:20 |
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vokalrcp |
gmcharlt: +1 |
| 11:20 |
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kmkale |
+1 |
| 11:20 |
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gmcharlt |
as far as my own vote is concerned: 0 |
| 11:20 |
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davi |
+1 |
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hdl_laptop |
I think that if a vote occurs, it should also be presented to the koha-list. |
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Colin |
definitely vote 0 |
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chris |
0 |
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larsw |
-0 |
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hdl_laptop |
hi jdavidb |
| 11:21 |
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hdl_laptop |
0 |
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thd |
0 |
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tajoli |
+1 |
| 11:22 |
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davi |
What about the listing redesign? |
| 11:22 |
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thd |
hdl_laptop: do you mean that if we vote, subscribers to the list serve should be invited to vote on the issue specifically? |
| 11:22 |
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slef |
davi: we're already clear to do that. Just add time. |
| 11:22 |
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slef |
as I understand it |
| 11:22 |
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davi |
ack |
| 11:24 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: I agree - in this case, I would prefer that the final vote take place on the mailing list, particularly as, given the time of this meeting, we're discussing this in the absence of wizzyrea |
| 11:24 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: was there a second part, or do you want to move on to address infokoha now? |
| 11:24 |
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gmcharlt |
here's the second part |
| 11:24 |
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gmcharlt |
and this may well have to end up on the mailing list |
| 11:24 |
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gmcharlt |
what do we do about current listings? |
| 11:25 |
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gmcharlt |
grandparent them in? clear the vendor listing and ask everybody to resubmit requests? |
| 11:25 |
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slef |
leave them for volunteers to approach and challenge as/when reasonable? |
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reed |
(for what it's worth I may have changed my mind about this link back req) |
| 11:25 |
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davi |
I would keep current list up to it be fixed |
| 11:26 |
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thd |
I suggest we make no change to the policy agreed at the previous meeting until the wide community votes on the issue |
| 11:26 |
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gmcharlt |
ok, then for now - action item is to put this to the mailing list |
| 11:26 |
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gmcharlt |
moving on |
| 11:26 |
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gmcharlt |
I added the info@ item |
| 11:26 |
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gmcharlt |
my main question: assuming that we want to continue to have infokoha-community.org go somewhere |
| 11:27 |
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gmcharlt |
where should it go? |
| 11:27 |
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reed |
i think it's weird to have |
| 11:27 |
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davi |
koha-devel |
| 11:27 |
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davi |
because that is the koha community |
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slef |
I've two concerns: debian-style surprising of naive emailers by having their email address appear in a public archive; and auto-responding to spam that gets past the filters. |
| 11:28 |
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reed |
agree |
| 11:28 |
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davi |
agrs, spam :( |
| 11:28 |
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davi |
koha-devel-private (new mailing list) |
| 11:28 |
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slef |
has anyone written a semi-auto-responder yet? :) |
| 11:28 |
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gmcharlt |
of the options listed, my preference would be to have it go to a new mailing list that is not publicly archived, but which anybody can subscribe to and feel free to respond to |
| 11:29 |
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davi |
gmcharlt, ++ |
| 11:29 |
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reed |
that dilutes the normal list |
| 11:29 |
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thd |
info@* is a spam magnate |
| 11:29 |
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gmcharlt |
davi: koha-devel isn't quite right for this purpose - geneally spekaing, somebody who uses the info@ address is a librarian thinking about Koha and wanting basic information |
| 11:29 |
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larsw |
I suggest we have a committee to receive the e-mails, and have a a committee election every three months, using the condorcet system; the committee will be required to provide bi-weekly summaries of all mail recevied by info@, removing any names and other information that is sensitive, using their best judgement; to make sure the committee behaves, we should also have a randomly selected auditor verify that randomly selected committee reports |
| 11:29 |
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larsw |
are accurate; all companies listed on the support provider list are eligible to provide one candidate for the committee |
| 11:30 |
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davi |
gmcharlt, koha-devel-private (new non-public mailing list) |
| 11:30 |
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thd |
reed++ |
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larsw |
(sorry); more seriously, I suggest forwarding info@ to webmaster@ until such a time as it becomes an undue burden on the webmaster |
| 11:30 |
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davi |
larsw, too much bureaucracy , the above proposal |
| 11:31 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: yes, I think a new list is the best of the options listed, with a basic documented-on-wiki manner of replying. |
| 11:31 |
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davi |
new mailing list++ |
| 11:31 |
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davi |
private |
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gmcharlt |
OK |
| 11:31 |
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slef |
once it emerges, that is |
| 11:31 |
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gmcharlt |
then I suggest it be called koha-info-privatelists.koha-community.org |
| 11:31 |
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gmcharlt |
(sorry davi, this isn't really for development purposes) |
| 11:32 |
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davi |
I propose the name of that list be "koha-devel-private" in pro of Koha developers, the community. |
| 11:32 |
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thd |
davi: larsw was intending to be humorous if I understood correctly |
| 11:32 |
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slef |
just so we don't necessarily get a newbie piling into koha-info and sending loads of adverts and then going "but no-one told me" |
| 11:32 |
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slef |
larsw: too much time around debian? |
| 11:32 |
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chris |
the community isnt just the developers davi |
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chris |
we arent even the most important part |
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davi |
ok |
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davi |
koha-info-private@ ++ |
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gmcharlt |
ok, |
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cait |
koha-info-private++ |
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slef |
I don't care about name. Whoever creates it can pick. |
| 11:33 |
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davi |
name are good. I like mine |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: paul_p: on to you: can you go ahead and set up such a mailing list and have infokoha-community.org forward to it? |
| 11:34 |
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hdl_laptop |
ok |
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thd |
gmcharlt: what is the function of such a list? |
| 11:34 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: the function is to provide a point of contact for a new user to ask basic questions |
| 11:34 |
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reed |
yeah, who's answering these mails? and why not use the existing schemes? |
| 11:35 |
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kmkale |
i thought hats what koha@ was for.. |
| 11:35 |
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slef |
reed: existing scheme? |
| 11:35 |
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gmcharlt |
proper response of people subscribed to that list would be to respond, but more importantly to direct the newbie to the appopriate forums |
| 11:35 |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: who should be subscribed to that list ? |
| 11:35 |
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reed |
slef, the koha mailing list |
| 11:35 |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: anybody who cares to respond to such emails |
| 11:35 |
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thd |
What is the equivalent Debian list named? |
| 11:35 |
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slef |
reed: redirecting private email to a public-archive list without warning seems a bit rude. |
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* mason |
says 'hi', just got home... |
| 11:35 |
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reed |
slef, agree, should kill info@ |
| 11:36 |
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gmcharlt |
the main reason I brought this up in the first place was because an infokoha.org existed, but only had limited distribution |
| 11:36 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: alternative proposal from reed |
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davi |
good being it set private |
| 11:36 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: You suggested including private in the list name. What is intended by private? |
| 11:37 |
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davi |
name format to show it is not public archive |
| 11:37 |
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davi |
you know |
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slef |
reed: is your proposal best as: reject it with an SMTP error saying "please see http://KOHALISTWEBPAGE" ? |
| 11:37 |
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reed |
i propose we not have an info@ address because it creates an possible silo situation |
| 11:37 |
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kmkale |
kill info@ ++ |
| 11:37 |
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davi |
reed, describe "silo situation" |
| 11:37 |
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reed |
slef, that's be a cool end of life scheme |
| 11:38 |
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slef |
davi: data in, nothing out |
| 11:38 |
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davi |
anyone can reply, as in current way |
| 11:38 |
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reed |
by "silo" -- a separate mailing list, would create a ghetto of newbie info |
| 11:38 |
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davi |
that is what info@ if about |
| 11:38 |
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reed |
seems better to keep things simple |
| 11:38 |
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davi |
is* |
| 11:39 |
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reed |
agree, just not that that's a good thing |
| 11:39 |
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davi |
simple design does not cope with complex reality |
| 11:39 |
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reed |
also - I don't feel as strongly about this as it may appear |
| 11:40 |
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chris |
if there is no info@ address, they cant mail it |
| 11:40 |
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reed |
just seems clunky |
| 11:40 |
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chris |
thats fairly simple |
| 11:40 |
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thd |
I agree with reed's point about the hazard of creating a ghetto if a mailing list for newbies is intended. |
| 11:40 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: it's never been a newbie zone as such; just a single email address that somebody who is completely unfamiliar to Koha can email for general information about the project |
| 11:41 |
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davi |
to be redirected-guided as per need |
| 11:41 |
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gmcharlt |
as I suggested, proper response is to answer the question, but also redirect the questioner to other forums for their question |
| 11:41 |
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davi |
It is the usual "information" point |
| 11:41 |
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reed |
sounds labour intensive |
| 11:41 |
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gmcharlt |
I fully expect that this would be a low-volume list |
| 11:41 |
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reed |
can't we use computers for that? |
| 11:41 |
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gmcharlt |
but I'm just as happy not having an info@ address |
| 11:41 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: your suggestion on the wiki meeting agenda was for an autoresponder if I undertstood. |
| 11:42 |
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gmcharlt |
and just simply replacing references to infokoha.org in the code and other places with inks to the website |
| 11:42 |
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gmcharlt |
so, howabout this for a vote: replace references to infokoha.org with a link to http://koha-community.org whereever they appear? |
| 11:42 |
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tajoli |
IMHO is better to replace infokoha.org with link to comunity site |
| 11:42 |
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reed |
+1 |
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magnus |
+1 |
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tajoli |
+1 |
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kmkale |
+1 |
| 11:43 |
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davi |
+1 |
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chris |
+1 |
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hdl_laptop |
+1 |
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larsw |
+1 |
| 11:43 |
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vokalrcp |
+1 |
| 11:44 |
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thd |
+1 |
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cait |
+1 |
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davi |
and what if the want to contact via email? |
| 11:44 |
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davi |
what list should they choose? |
| 11:44 |
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davi |
no info@ ? |
| 11:44 |
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cait |
koha |
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gmcharlt |
the main Koha mailing list |
| 11:44 |
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davi |
+1 |
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slef |
+1 |
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Colin |
+1 |
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slef |
and put an SMTP error with that link on infokoha-community.org ideally |
| 11:45 |
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reed |
slef+ |
| 11:45 |
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gmcharlt |
if BibLibre is willing to set that up, I'm happy with that |
| 11:46 |
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hdl_laptop |
ok |
| 11:46 |
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gmcharlt |
ok, so moving on to setting the time of the next meeting - Wednesday, 4 July at 19:00 UTC+0 ? |
| 11:46 |
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davi |
+1 |
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davi |
to me. |
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vokalrcp |
+1 |
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kmkale |
cant we make it like 15:00 UTC? |
| 11:47 |
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kmkale |
19:00 is half past midnight here |
| 11:47 |
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kmkale |
:( |
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thd |
gmcharlt: As you know, that is a national holiday in the US. |
| 11:47 |
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Colin |
Don't you folks want to party or something on the 4th |
| 11:47 |
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* gmcharlt |
blinks |
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vokalrcp |
You mean the 14th? |
| 11:48 |
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* gmcharlt |
turns in his US citizen's card ;) |
| 11:48 |
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larsw |
wed 4 july? isn't 4 july a sunday? |
| 11:48 |
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chris |
15 UTC is 3am here kmkale |
| 11:48 |
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kmkale |
;) |
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* gmcharlt |
also can't read a calendar |
| 11:48 |
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larsw |
or did I do spontaneous time travel again? |
| 11:48 |
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gmcharlt |
let's try this again |
| 11:48 |
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hdl_laptop |
and 17PM here... |
| 11:48 |
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gmcharlt |
Wednesday, 7 July at 19:00 UTC+0 ? |
| 11:49 |
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vokalrcp |
+1 |
| 11:49 |
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tajoli |
+1 |
| 11:49 |
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davi |
+1 |
| 11:49 |
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thd |
+1 |
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chris |
ok for me |
| 11:49 |
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hdl_laptop |
+1 |
| 11:49 |
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magnus |
+1 |
| 11:49 |
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larsw |
+1 |
| 11:49 |
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Colin |
+1 |
| 11:49 |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: that's why we've mostly been alternating between 10:00 UTC+0 and 19:00 UTC+0 |
| 11:49 |
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kmkale |
cool |
| 11:50 |
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gmcharlt |
ok, thanks everybody |
| 11:50 |
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vokalrcp |
ciao |
| 11:50 |
|
reed |
g/nite |
| 11:50 |
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hdl_laptop |
thanks slef and gmcharlt |
| 11:51 |
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slef |
thanks all |
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| 11:51 |
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larsw |
thanks and bye |
| 11:53 |
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cait |
gmcharlt: still around? |
| 11:53 |
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magnus |
thanks folks! before everybody dissapears: is anyone here going to ELAG in Helsinki next week and interested in some kind of koha meetup? |
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chris |
id love to say yes :) |
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hdl_laptop |
id love too |
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cait |
me too, but cant |
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* jwagner |
is sorry to have missed the meeting :-( |
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thd |
magnus: I would appreciate any notes which you may take at ELAG about various national plans for RDA implementation. |
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magnus |
thd: i'll keep my ear to the ground |
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slef |
I think my next big event is http://www.congress.coop/ in Plymouth 25 June. |
| 11:59 |
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gmcharlt |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi gmcharlt |
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cait |
sorry for bugging you |
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cait |
I have two patches ready but not sure what to do with them |
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cait |
the first one is adding $w subfields to all marc21 frameworks, including all existing translations |
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cait |
except german, because I just sent a patch for that, would do a follow up |
| 12:01 |
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cait |
and the second add an index record-control-number on those $w fields |
| 12:01 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: just go ahead and send them - if I don't accept them for 3.2, they will be pushed to a topic branch for inclusion in 3.4 |
| 12:02 |
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cait |
ok, thx, will send them today |
| 12:02 |
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cait |
would make my life easer if they got in, but I can understand if they have to wait till 3.4 :) |
| 12:04 |
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cait |
and im not good in managing/merging branches yet, so happy to have them send |
| 12:08 |
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* gmcharlt |
is heading out now, off to a library guarded by a dinosaur |
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nengard |
gmcharlt - i'm on a roll :) closed a lot of bugs so far this AM - glad to see so many were fixed even though they weren't marked at patched :) |
| 12:09 |
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gmcharlt |
nengard++ |
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nengard |
of course it means lots of emails :) |
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cait |
gmcharlt. be careful :) |
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owen |
Whoa, hello Bugzilla emails. |
| 12:11 |
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cait |
batch edit |
| 12:12 |
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cait |
you can delete most of them ;) |
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owen |
Sorry to miss the meeting folks, that meeting time is pretty much the worst possible for me. |
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magnus is now known as magnus_away |
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slef |
owen: sorry to miss you |
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nengard |
owen - sorry about that - but some of the more recent emails are for you :) |
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owen |
What is the purpose of adding koha-bugs as the QAContact? |
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nengard |
hey - is it just me or were we used to place holds on multiple items via the search in the staff client before? that option isn't showing for me anymore |
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chris |
theres a syspref for it nengard |
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nengard |
thanks chris - off to find it |
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chris |
owen: means the mailing list gets an email when the bug is changed |
| 12:16 |
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chris |
which is pretty handy |
| 12:16 |
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owen |
Hm... so if I'm subscribed to the list I should turn off all Bugzilla emails |
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chris |
if you dont want a double up, yep |
| 12:18 |
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chris |
i just read the archives |
| 12:18 |
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chris |
and get mail for bugs im assigned to |
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nengard |
I don't mind the doubles cause it's gmail and it puts them in a thread |
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kmkale |
chris: anything further about that fastcgi irc chat? |
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chris |
im delaying it to post 3.2 |
| 12:22 |
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chris |
its all to easy to get excited about new stuff |
| 12:23 |
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chris |
and ignore the boring fix the bugs stuff |
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chris |
so we can release |
| 12:26 |
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cait |
chris++ |
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kmkale |
yeah chris++ but would have loved to have a sneak peak ;) |
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chris |
:) |
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* owen |
recalls the release-schedule problem happening for the release of 3.0 as well |
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jwagner |
Morning, folks. |
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cait |
morning jwagner |
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cait |
I think we should talk about release schedules, but concentrate on finishing 3.2 now |
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jwagner |
If the syspref AllowHoldPolicyOverride, it should allow staff to override & place a hold, regardless of whether the staff is a superlibrarian, correct? So long as staff person has permissions to do circ? |
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jwagner |
Never mind -- problem is more with having independent branches on than with lack of superlibrarian privileges. Sigh. |
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chris |
right, i better get some sleep |
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chris |
cyas later |
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cait |
good night chris |
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owen |
I haven't read through the meeting log yet... Did we schedule a bug-squashing session? |
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nengard |
owen - i don't remember seeing one scheduled - but gmcharlt asked us all to go through our bugs and close the ones we can |
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nengard |
which is why you're getting so many emails from me |
| 13:03 |
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nengard |
i'm through 140ish and have about 60 more to go! |
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owen |
Oh by the way nengard, I didn't forget your question about the OPAC logo image, but I did decide that the original is lost |
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owen |
I'm trying to figure out the best way to recreate it and what format to share it in |
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nengard |
owen - i on the other hand ... did forget :) hehe |
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nengard |
we'll want something with layers that's easy to edit the bg on |
| 13:05 |
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nengard |
do we know what the Koha font is? |
| 13:05 |
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nengard |
if so I can probably recreate it |
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nengard |
or maybe i can recreate it using the big original logo I have |
| 13:05 |
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nengard |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ack-and-white.jpg |
| 13:06 |
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KingNAMS |
Hi all...I'm new to Koha (and linux as well to be honest) but I'm learning! I just wanted to introduce myself to the community! |
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cait |
hi KingNAMS and welcome |
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owen |
nengard: The svg version of the staff client logo would be a better place to start if you want to roll your own |
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KingNAMS |
thanks! |
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nengard |
welcome KingNAMS |
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nengard |
where is the svg? |
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nengard |
sorry that was for owen - where is the svg |
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owen |
misc/interface_customization/koha3-staff-client-logo.svg |
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nengard |
thanks |
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owen |
For some reason that logo doesn't *precisely* match the OPAC one, but I'm not sure where the differences came from |
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owen |
If Rachel ever told me what the font is I've forgotten, and I can't find the info in my email archive |
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owen |
But I'll bet she knows |
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cait |
KingNAMS: where are you located? |
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owen |
(although it may not help if it's an expensive font) |
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KingNAMS |
cait: Alabama |
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cait |
KingNAMS: ah, I m from Germany. :) perhaps you may want to introduce yourself on the mailing lists too. |
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KingNAMS |
cait: ok, thanks...I just signed up the other day but have just been reading so far |
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KingNAMS |
well, gotta go! talk to you all later |
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cait |
bye :) |
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cait |
good morning jdavidb :) |
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jdavidb |
hi, cait! :) |
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cait |
oh, my first merge conflict |
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kmkale |
hi jdavidb |
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jdavidb |
howdy, kmkale! :) |
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cait |
how do I tell git, use master and avoid my changes? |
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hdl_laptop |
git reset --hard HEAD |
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hdl_laptop |
git reset --hard ORIG_HEAD |
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slef |
other than that, tell your merge tool to use master where there is a conflict |
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cait |
butwith git reset I would loose all changes to the other files? |
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slef |
yep |
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cait |
I just want him to ignore one change that got in there by accident |
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cait |
and causes my problen now, because I wrote a patch for that |
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slef |
one change or one file? |
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cait |
one file |
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slef |
if one file, edit the file and resolve manually |
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slef |
search for <<<< to find the start of the conflict |
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cait |
never done that :( |
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slef |
it's no harder than editing the file ordinarily |
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slef |
there are slicker ways to do it, with git mergetool and similar, but you don't need to |
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cait |
ok, lets have a look at the file |
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slef |
another way is to "git merge -s recursive -Xtheirs" but I can't remember if you can do that after reaching a conflict |
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slef |
(merge, recursive strategy, resolve conflicts by preferring their version) |
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slef |
or -Xours if you want to prefer the current branch |
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cait |
I see no markers in the file :( |
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cait |
ok, found them |
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cait |
slef: can you take a look at the code plz? I dont know what to do with it http://pastebin.com/93kFR0k1 |
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slef |
looking |
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cait |
thx a lot |
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slef |
looks like a null change... only whitespace, perhaps? |
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slef |
To favour HEAD, delete the <<<<<<< HEAD:... line |
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slef |
then delete the ===== to the >>>>> BUG 4499: line and everything between |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4499 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Javascript erorr messages not translatable |
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slef |
ends up looking like http://pastebin.com/VL1UFb29 |
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cait |
will try that, thank you! |
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cait |
it worked! slef++ |
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slef |
:) |
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slef |
That's a strange conflict, though, only being in whitespace |
| 13:48 |
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cait |
I think I confused my branches at some point. I wrote the patch for bug 4499. |
| 13:48 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4499 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Javascript erorr messages not translatable |
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hdl_laptop |
slef: yes but sometimes happens. |
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nengard |
done! I have gone through all of my bugs and closed like 30 of them |
| 13:52 |
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nengard |
updated even more |
| 13:52 |
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nengard |
now you all have to do the same with your bugs :) |
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slef |
"The username or password you entered is not valid." |
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slef |
"There is no user named 'mjrttllp.co.uk'." |
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slef |
OK, did I miss something? :) |
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owen |
slef, on Bugzilla? |
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slef |
yep |
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owen |
Did you register in the new Bugzilla before the bug migration? |
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slef |
No. Didn't know I had to. |
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slef |
I'm a bit behind with mailing lists. |
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owen |
Yeah, chris sent out an email I think |
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owen |
jwagner had to go through this process too, but it can be corrected |
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slef |
ok, that explains it. Thanks. What happens about bugs assigned to my old username? |
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owen |
I think chris can fix it |
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slef |
Anyone else find that links from the table of contents in http://koha-community.org/koha[…]issue-5-may-2010/ don't work? |
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owen |
Yes |
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slef |
known bug? |
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owen |
Don't know... wizzyrea online? |
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slef |
found http://koha-community.org/bugs[…]ha-community-org/ - wonder if the strange character at the start stopped it appearing in my feedreader :-/ |
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nengard |
slef - i found that the first 2 don't work - but the others do |
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slef |
the open day one didn't work for me |
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nengard |
i do the newsletter |
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nengard |
hmmm - will check |
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slef |
looked like maybe missing / but I can look closer if you can fix it |
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nengard |
slef try now |
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nengard |
it was missing anchors in the code |
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nengard |
i was pretty sick last month and rushed the newsletter |
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slef |
np |
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slef |
will check as soon as I find the window again :) |
| 14:12 |
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slef |
nengard: it's still behaving a bit oddly for me, reloading it on each click. |
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slef |
nengard: links are like <a href="http://koha-community.org/koha[…]-may-2010#present"> instead of simply <a href="#present"> |
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nengard |
yeah that's the only way we could get those links to work |
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nengard |
doing just #present won't work |
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nengard |
cause the TOC appears on a page by itself |
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slef |
not from front page to body |
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slef |
does ...2010/#present"> not work? (with a /)? |
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nengard |
nope |
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nengard |
wizzyrea and i went through all options |
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nengard |
when we started |
| 14:13 |
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nengard |
and this is the only solution |
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slef |
wow |
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nengard |
unless i put the full text of the newsletter on the home page as it's published |
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nengard |
which is a bit much |
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slef |
indeed |
| 14:13 |
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nengard |
so it's just a bit weird ... |
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slef |
wonder what's caused this... I'm sure I've done internal links on my blog before |
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tomascohen |
@wunder Cordoba, Argentina |
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munin |
tomascohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 10.0�C (10:00 AM ART on June 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
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schuster |
@wunder 75035 |
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munin |
schuster: The current temperature in Hunter's Creek - KE5VBO, Frisco, Texas is 31.8�C (9:19 AM CDT on June 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising). |
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owen |
Hi schuster |
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slef |
@wunder Weston-super-Mare, SOMERSET |
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munin |
slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 19.5�C (3:20 PM BST on June 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). |
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slef |
@wunder Weston-super-Mare, United Kingdom |
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munin |
slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 19.5�C (3:20 PM BST on June 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). |
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slef |
oh, that's changed |
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slef |
wunderground.com used not to find us as part of the UK :) |
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schuster |
Hey Owen... |
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slef |
"Status: NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED * Reporter: mjrttllp.co.uk = Zarro Boogs found." |
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slef |
OK, I have no bugs. |
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slef |
Looking at mailing list archives to see if this has been covered. |
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wizzyrea |
slef: you might try looking just for mjr |
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nengard |
slef you have no bugs because you had no account |
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nengard |
if chris couldn't find your account then he reassigned bugs |
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nengard |
to the default assignee |
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nengard |
you need to talk to chris to see if he can get those bugs asssigned to you |
| 14:32 |
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nengard |
or you can search full text for your email |
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nengard |
cause he kept notes of who was the assignee |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
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wizzyrea |
what she said |
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slef |
I've emailed the list. I suspect this will become a FAQ. |
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slef |
The bugs db knew our email addresses, so I'm a little sore, but we are where we are. |
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slef |
wizzyrea: are you able to edit the strange character out of the start of http://koha-community.org/bugs[…]ha-community-org/ please? I can't edit that one. |
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nengard |
slef the db knew our email addresses - but chris couldn't copy over our accout info - login & password, so we had to create an account - you can't assign a bug to someone who doesn't have an account |
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nengard |
wizzyrea and i worked on the links for the newsletter and they are all better now |
| 14:37 |
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wizzyrea |
he did give us over a week to do it :/ |
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* chris_n |
offers regrets for missing the meeting this morning |
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wizzyrea |
(create the new bugzilla accounts) |
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chris_n |
a trip to the Drs office trumped it unfortunately |
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owen |
I wonder why we couldn't have automatically created accounts with random passwords and had people use the password-recovery |
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slef |
wizzyrea: yeah, I'm about at the first week of April with list emails, though |
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slef |
owen: or just feed email addresses into the account creator so people get three days to complete the creation form. |
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slef |
owen: but what's done is done. |
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nengard |
chris_n we understand- well I do :) hehe |
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slef |
sorry, first week of May I mean :-/ |
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* chris_n |
is trying to kick a persistent case of strep throat :-P apparently acquired while on vacation |
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gmcharlt |
hi chris_n |
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gmcharlt |
sorry to hear about the strep |
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chris_n |
tnx |
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* chris_n |
reads the log |
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schuster |
wizzyrea - did you have a chance to "test" the firefox plugin for circ with 3.2? |
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wizzyrea |
i have not yet |
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schuster |
ok thanks. |
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nengard |
schuster - i have - and it doesn't work - but that might be FF 3.6 as I say in my bug report |
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schuster |
Oh thanks nengard... didn't know there was a bug! Should have looked. |
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nengard |
did you find it - or do you need me to get you a number? |
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schuster |
nengard - I'll find it thanks. |
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slef |
Argh! How do you persuade mediawiki to do a bullet list? Anyone who wants to, please edit http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_2_2010#Attendees |
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wizzyrea |
* |
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nengard |
without any spaces before it |
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nengard |
it's in the mediawiki documentation :) you know i'm all about the documentation |
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nengard |
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:List |
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* owen |
has managed to build a web page which crashes Firefox when he tries to print it |
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chris_n |
owen++ |
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* chris_n |
managed to open enough tabs in Firefox to crash it the other day |
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owen |
yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world. |
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chris_n |
@quote add <owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world. |
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munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #76 added. |
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wizzyrea |
chris_n: it's not difficult to crash firefox with tabs. I have a coworker who managed to do it almost every day. So she switched to chrome, and now she can open zillions of tabs and never crash. |
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slef |
hdl_laptop: are you in control of the lists.koha.org -> lists.koha-community.org redirect? It seems to be redirecting the whole archive to mailman |
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slef |
mailman's front page |
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slef |
damn apostrophe next to enter ;-) |
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hdl_laptop |
slef: yes. What is the problem ? |
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owen |
hdl_laptop: It means that if someone finds a link to the mailing list archive in goodle they can't click through to read the original thread. They get redirected to the front page |
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slef |
hdl_laptop: can't we redirect archive pages to the exact page? |
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hdl_laptop |
we are in control of the site, but unfortunately not of the domain. |
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slef |
RewriteEngine on |
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slef |
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} lists.koha.org |
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slef |
RewriteRule (.*) http://lists.koha-community.org$1 [R=permanent,QSA,L] |
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hdl_laptop |
So we might ask PTFS to do so... |
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slef |
oh, they've done something silly with http://lists.koha.org ? |
| 15:56 |
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jdavidb |
sending mail to cfoutsptfs.com would probably work. He'd be the one to take care of it. |
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slef |
ok, will do - who wants cc? |
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hdl_laptop |
slef: I do pleas |
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hdl_laptop |
e |
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slef |
hdlbib...? |
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slef |
com or fr? |
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slef |
lists.koha.org is also sending 302 Found rather than 301 Moved Permanently which I understand to be keeping options open |
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slef |
curl -I http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/ |
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slef |
if you want to see for yourself |
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slef |
using hdl_laptop's koha-fr instead because that's what's on mailman |
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cait |
owen: around? |
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owen |
Yes |
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cait |
hi, I wanted to ask you to take a look at bug 4504 - but I see now that its assigned to fredericd |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4504 normal, P5, ---, frederic, NEW, Confirmation messages in opac account not translated |
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cait |
I think because I marked it I18N? |
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cait |
ah, but its still NEW |
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cait |
I had no idea how to fix it |
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wizzyrea |
slef: I think I found your bugs. http://bit.ly/aYdoob |
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jcamins_ |
cait++ # For her work on bug 4506 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w |
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cait |
jcamins: thx! just preparation for the xslt part, will start with that next week when back at work |
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slef |
wizzyrea: I think I still need chris to reassign reporter, or will adding myself to cc in bulk achieve the same? |
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slef |
wizzyrea: thanks |
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wizzyrea |
yea, you will want to ask him about reassigning bugs to you |
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wizzyrea |
idk about the 2nd |
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owen |
cait: Are the examples which don't work all inside an "onclick" attribute? |
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owen |
(Not that I can see why the standard construction doesn't work in these cases) |
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owen |
Perhaps the single quotes nested within double quotes... |
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wizzyrea |
www.facebook.com |
| 16:31 |
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wizzyrea |
oh that's way not right |
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wizzyrea |
sigh |
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wizzyrea |
sorry, wrong window |
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cait |
owen: they are all really similar |
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cait |
owen: sorry, I have to leave now, plz let me know if you have an idea where the problem is |
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owen |
cait, I'm working on a patch, maybe you'll be able to test it for me later |
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cait |
owen: I think I can test tomorrow, if thats ok |
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* chris_n |
expects to see wizzyrea's supersecret password typed in the wrong window any moment ;-) |
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owen |
1234 |
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wizzyrea |
S1rs!5uCk5 |
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owen |
Oh dang, ignore that everyone! |
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cait |
qwerty? |
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wizzyrea |
oh crap |
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wizzyrea |
...you all think I really did type my password, don't you |
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cait |
bye all :) |
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wizzyrea |
...or, I just typed YOUR password |
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wizzyrea |
and you want to know how I know it. |
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wizzyrea |
bum Bum BUM! |
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lol |
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hehe |
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jdavidb |
next up, the lobotomy. She can't read my mind, if I lose it! |
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wizzyrea |
lol O RLY? |
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rhcl |
she'll still be able to ssh in |
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jdavidb |
rhcl++ #for making me cackle like a hyena. |
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slef |
If you want to see wizzyrea's password, press Alt+F4 now. |
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slef |
bbl |
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slef |
5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 <koha-devellists.koha.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table' |
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slef |
life doesn't want me to catch up :-/ |
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slef |
I'll resend those, but that's a task I didn't need. |
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slef |
anyone else having interesting times? :) |
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slef |
actually, it got through to main list (I usually spot and trim crossposts) so I won't bother |
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slef |
one resent |
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slef |
cool |
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slef |
now really bbl |
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owen |
gmcharlt around? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: what's up? |
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owen |
Hey, I've been working on cleaning up the staff-side XSL view and ran into a snag |
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owen |
I want to add the "view in OPAC" link, and I figured out how to check the opacbaseurl preference... |
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owen |
...but I don't know how to get the biblionumber so I can build the correct link |
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owen |
I got as far as: |
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<a><xsl:attribute name="href">http://<xsl:value-of select="$OPACBaseURL"/>/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=</xsl:attribute><xsl:attribute name="target">_blank</xsl:attribute>Open in new window</a>. |
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cait_afk |
owen: is bibnumer in one of the 999 fields? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: <span class="view"><a id="MARCviewPop" href="/cgi-bin/koha/opac-showmarc.pl?id={marc:datafield[@tag=999]/marc:subfield[@code |
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='c']}" title="MARC" rel="gb_page_center[600,500]">MARC View</a></span> |
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gmcharlt |
an exaple from the OPAC stylesheet |
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owen |
Good one, thanks |
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* owen |
investigates |
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wizzyrea |
lol, nobody got that it was "sirsi sucks?" |
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wizzyrea |
sigh |
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wizzyrea |
I must try harder. |
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jdavidb |
That's like stating, "the sky is up," wizzyrea. It's just the way things are, so no comment was needed. |
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owen |
gmcharlt++ # Just the clue I needed to get it working |
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collum |
jdavidb somehow figured out my password - dSkyS^ |
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jdavidb |
welcome back, cait :) |
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cait |
not really here, just near laptop :) |
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cait |
owen++ |
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hdl_laptop |
slef still there ? |
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those libraries have saved my sorry tush so many times |
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chrisdroid |
@wunder wellington,nz |
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chrisdroid: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:40 AM NZST on June 03, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
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chrisdroid |
Morning |
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richard |
hi |
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mib_mike |
It's quiet in here |
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chris |
back |
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mib_mike |
chris are you "Chris Cormack"? |
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chris |
sometimes |
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chris |
depends who is asking :) |
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wizzyrea |
are you happy or mad at him? |
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chris |
hehe |
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mib_mike |
Happy, but puzzled |
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mib_mike |
I just found a patch you submitted |
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mib_mike |
Bug 4123 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4123 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Error in checking whether a checkout can be renewed |
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mib_mike |
But that was submitted in March, and I still needed to apply it to my code downloaded last month |
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mib_mike |
When do these patches get integrated? |
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mason |
heh, i just bumped into that bug last nite |
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mason |
and pinched the new sub from 3.2, looks much saner |
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chris |
mib_mike: what version are you running mib_mike? |
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chris |
and no i didnt make that patch, kyle did |
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mib_mike |
koha-3.02.00-alpha |
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chris |
yeah alpha or alpha2? |
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mib_mike |
I like the patch. I pretty much came to the same conclusion myself independently. |
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chris |
because that patch was pushed april 30th, into master and is in alpha2 |
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chris |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]&st=commit&s=4123 |
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chris |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1d52e998d55743b7a |
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mib_mike |
alpha 2. |
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mib_mike |
At least that's what I thought. |
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mib_mike |
I really don't understand git is there a resource you'd recommend? |
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chris |
have you read the tutorial on the wiki? |
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wajasu |
what do you think about a way to add an extra site specific xslt stylesheet in the transformation pipeline for the the detail pages via config preferences, so that sites can add customization to formatting without touching installed XSLT. |
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chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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chris |
i like http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]ocs/everyday.html |
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chris |
too |
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wajasu |
then when I upgrade, the custom stuff can come along kind of like the biblio frameworks do. |
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mib_mike |
I looked at that Version Control page, but Koha Revision Control for the public isn't big on explanations. |
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mib_mike |
I'll check out that other site. Thanks! |
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libtek |
Hey all. Is there a way to change a patron from a Patron account to a Home Bound account, or do we have to delete the account and start over? |
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libtek |
Oh, never mind. I found where I can change it. :) |
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chris |
:) |
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libtek |
That was easy. |
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cait |
hi koha |
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chris |
heya cait |
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chris |
up late |
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cait |
yes |
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chris |
jsp ? |
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cait |
played singstar, now too awake to sleep |
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chris |
ahhhh |
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chris |
hi nengard |
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nengard |
howdy |
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cait |
jsp will keep me awake when deadline is near |
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nengard |
doing a very general search for bugs I might have the skills to patch since i'm home alone tonight |
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cait |
hi nengard |
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chris |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4448 |
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munin |
Bug 4448: normal, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Ampersands in itemcallnumber break XSLT Results display |
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chris |
you could test and close this one nengard |
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chris |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4328 |
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munin |
Bug 4328: minor, P4, ---, chris, NEW, Possibility to add a supplier with a blanc name |
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chris |
and you could test and confirm if this still exists |
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chris |
and bug2003 |
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chris |
@bug 2003 |
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munin |
chris: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2003 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Circulation page offers no information on why checkouts are blocked |
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chris |
confirming if that is still a problem would help a lot |
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chris |
have i ruined your evening yet? or do i need to keep going? :-) |
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* cait |
hides |
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chris |
:) |
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nengard |
was getting a popsicle |
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nengard |
going to test |
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chris |
thanks :) |
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* chris |
goes to watch larsw demo his automated testing |
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nengard |
2 closed -testing the third |
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chris |
cool |
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cait |
nengard#+ |
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cait |
nengard++ |
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nengard |
:) |
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larsw |
as a quick re-cap of what chris referred to: I have for Python a setup where code modules have corresponding test modules, and my test runner measures coverage when executing that pair... and even if all tests pass, the test suite as a whole fails unless coverage is 100% (not counting explicitly excluded parts of the code) |
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larsw |
and I'm looking for ways to do that in perl as well, to help koha 3.4 have much better test coverage than it does now |
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chris |
testing++ |
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larsw |
http://liw.fi/coverage-test-runner/ being the test runner I wrote for Python |
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chris_n |
hehe "EEEK..." |
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chris_n |
nice error message larsw |
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larsw |
:) |
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chris_n |
heya mason |
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nengard |
on a role - the more tiny patches I write, the more time it frees up for others to write the big ones .... I hope |
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chris |
:-) |
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nengard |
bug 4299 looks like a question - not a bug - anyone agree? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4299 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Enable to insert new date for issuing |
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chris |
yeah not a bug, plus its for koha for windows .. ie 2.2.8 |
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cait |
ok, time to sleep here |
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cait |
good night all :) |
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nengard |
chris - closed |
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nengard |
and wrote another patch :0 |
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nengard |
:) |
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chris |
sweet |
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larsw |
nengard++ |
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nengard |
i just wish i knew more how to fix some of the bigger bugs that are bugging me :) |
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nengard |
oh and chris i took your advice - a branch for each patch |
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nengard |
figure if i do it enough it will become second nature - which right now it is not |
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larsw |
takes some time to find out the good workflows with powerful tools like git |
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* larsw |
is still learning |
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robin |
nengard: I do that for my own personal projects, it makes life so much easier. |
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nengard |
i'm the kind of person who likes to close all unused apps - so it's kind of like that with branches - i don't like having a bunch floating out there - but i understand why i need them :) |
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robin |
nengard: yeah, it's just something you have to get used to, the benefits are well worth it. |
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chris |
nengard, i delete them when they are pushed into master |
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nengard |
chris - i plan to! |
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chris |
that way, i know what i have still waiting too |
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chris |
git branch |
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chris |
ohh 4 outstanding |
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chris |
easy peasy pudding and pie |
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nengard |
very good point |
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larsw |
if one doesn't want to remove the branches, for whatever reason, then renaming might be an option |
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chris |
(delete locally that is, i leave them in the remote repo) |
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robin |
chris: the work repo has 945 branches, of which 105 are my local ones :) |
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chris |
time for a tidy up :-) |
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robin |
The nice thing about the git branch method is that they don't get in the way. |
