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wizzyrea_laptop |
for 3.0.6 |
| 00:06 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
? |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
nengard do you need help reassigning bugs |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
? |
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* chris_n |
peeks in |
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* wizzyrea_laptop |
perks up |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea_laptop: yup... 3.0.6 |
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chris_n |
hdl was trying his best to get it out this evening |
| 01:57 |
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chris_n |
but I think sleep overtook him :) |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
well that seems logical it's effin late there. |
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SJeffery |
Evenin folks |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
hi there |
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wajasu |
ok. so i had used marc4j to read my non marc cp1252 CSV export file from ancient library pc app. I though I set UTF8 conversion at al points, and used an AnseltoUnicode converter , but... |
| 04:26 |
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wajasu |
I see <U+00fc> in various records in the DB. So I messed up. Its imported into koha. No I need to export and fix. I guess I'll export all the biblios. write a program to read teh marc recs, and convert properly back to marc utf8. then import into koha again. |
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kmkale |
Good morning all |
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kmkale |
10:00:00 UTC is good time for us. The last few meetings were at half past mid night in India |
| 05:07 |
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wajasu |
if i export biblios as koha.xml, and fix fields. Then when I import them again, does koha fix the leaders accordingly? |
| 05:21 |
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kmkale |
is there any way to disable staff patron from logging in to a different branch than his/her assigned one? |
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chris |
evening |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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chris |
hiya cait |
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cait |
hi chris |
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mle |
allo :) |
| 09:56 |
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mle |
@eightball one or two sugars |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
mle: Maybe... |
| 09:56 |
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mle |
@eightball one or two sugars |
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munin |
mle: No clue. |
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chris |
hi mle |
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| 10:04 |
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mle |
hey chris was just checking your comment on nicole's blog. |
| 10:06 |
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chris |
ah, yeah i felt i need to do a little defense as she was coming under a bit of an attack |
| 10:07 |
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chris |
play the ball, not the man and all that |
| 10:07 |
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mle |
clarity is a keyword that has been popping up in a couple of my projects |
| 10:09 |
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chris |
what projects do you work on? and i see you are in the UK .. do you know slef? |
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| 10:12 |
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cait |
@eightball javaserver pages homework? |
| 10:12 |
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munin |
cait: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later. |
| 10:12 |
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chris |
heh |
| 10:14 |
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cait |
later suits me well |
| 10:14 |
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cait |
@eightball late breakfast? |
| 10:14 |
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munin |
cait: The outlook is good. |
| 10:14 |
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cait |
:) |
| 10:16 |
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mle |
http://loldebian.wordpress.com[…]/03/10/not-yours/ |
| 10:35 |
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chris |
heh |
| 10:51 |
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mle |
yes i know slef. he is a great guy. i like the cooperative way of doing business. i note a few tllp ppl in here. : ) |
| 10:52 |
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chris |
yep davi is another one |
| 10:53 |
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mle |
projecs- mostly focused on incoming baby at the moment. SO i have had to rationalise what else i work on. : ) but i also host stuff. My main thing is Moodle, teaching and advocating FOSS. |
| 10:54 |
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chris |
ahh cool |
| 10:54 |
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chris |
catalyst (who i work for) do a lot of moodle stuff |
| 10:55 |
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mle |
soon i will look into moodle koha integration. |
| 10:55 |
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chris |
we have single sign on going |
| 10:55 |
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chris |
using saml |
| 10:55 |
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mle |
saml |
| 10:55 |
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mle |
ok |
| 10:55 |
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mle |
ty |
| 10:55 |
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mle |
that is the next project |
| 10:55 |
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mle |
does that help you get federated access to journals? |
| 10:56 |
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chris |
it could potentially yes |
| 10:56 |
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mle |
sweet |
| 10:56 |
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davi |
yes, I am. I had a hardware computer crash, and was off line some days |
| 10:56 |
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chris |
have you heard of mahara? |
| 10:56 |
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mle |
i have |
| 10:57 |
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mle |
i was a bit stumped by the moodle partners thing. |
| 10:57 |
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chris |
yeah their project organisation is a bit different to koha |
| 10:57 |
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mle |
i have been foss advocate for years and used moodle for years. but i fidn that i cannot advertise my services since i am not moodle partner. |
| 10:58 |
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mle |
ho hum |
| 10:58 |
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mle |
i guess their model is one way to keep the project from being taken over by large corps. |
| 10:58 |
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davi |
Typo3 also ask you _to pay_ to be listed as service provider in the typo3 site |
| 10:58 |
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mle |
but i was suprised that moodel partnership is not based upon meritocracy rather than percieved market capacity. : < |
| 10:59 |
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davi |
It is a way to keep it under _your control_, and a way to get money too (for you, of course) |
| 10:59 |
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mle |
ahh yes the benefits of a beneficial dicator. :) |
| 10:59 |
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davi |
You are the one who do most of the work, you know |
| 11:00 |
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davi |
It would be a way to finance the future "Koha democratic Association" |
| 11:00 |
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mle |
yes and sometimes design by committee doesnt work so well. imho |
| 11:01 |
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mle |
as long as there is clarity |
| 11:01 |
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mle |
thats what i say |
| 11:01 |
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davi |
Anyway, I am not sure if that is a good idea, (the pay per be listed one), However, even the FSF use it in its job listing. So it sure is ethic ;-) |
| 11:02 |
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mle |
for those that have not seen it, I think that this video has a great deal to offer. http://video.google.com/videop[…]16011961522818645# |
| 11:02 |
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davi |
Let me look |
| 11:02 |
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mle |
"How to protect your Open source project from pOisonous peopel" |
| 11:02 |
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* mle |
apologies for sloppy typing |
| 11:03 |
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davi |
How old are you, and what IT do you have? |
| 11:03 |
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mle |
davi i think that the video appliees to software.coop btw . : ) |
| 11:03 |
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mle |
i has an old ibm thinkpad |
| 11:04 |
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davi |
ack |
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| 11:06 |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
| 11:06 |
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davi |
mle, Google is a Free Software parasite in some way |
| 11:07 |
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chris |
morning gmcharlt |
| 11:07 |
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davi |
mle, and by being a parasite Google success |
| 11:10 |
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mle |
davi sorry it was a google video. i do not condone google. but i do like the content. |
| 11:13 |
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davi |
sure, content is good |
| 11:13 |
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mle |
:) |
| 11:13 |
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davi |
I just was exposing a comment, a personal opinion about Google. |
| 11:15 |
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davi |
The use of 'Affero GPL v3" would have avoid such Google parasite behaviour |
| 11:15 |
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davi |
s/avoid/avoided/ |
| 11:15 |
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mle |
i respect your opinion. I ws impressed at how quickly scroogle came back after google changd their api which broke scroogle last week. |
| 11:16 |
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davi |
when there is demand, there is solution |
| 11:17 |
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mle |
thus its about raising the demand for Freedom. :) |
| 11:19 |
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davi |
in the way we will get lots of parasites |
| 11:19 |
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chris |
davi: can you convince slef on the benefits of apgl3 ? ;) |
| 11:19 |
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davi |
What we must do is not allow such parasites get too much big, because else |
| 11:20 |
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davi |
it will be very hard to get rig of them |
| 11:20 |
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davi |
They will only allow us be alive, as much as to keep they getting healthy |
| 11:20 |
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mle |
but then we come up against lazyness (ease of use) and ubiquity (everyone else does it) |
| 11:21 |
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mle |
but yes, i agree |
| 11:21 |
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davi |
chilts, I will vote in favour of AGPLv3, but I can not convince him as they is inside a hole of irrationality about this subject |
| 11:21 |
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davi |
chris ^ |
| 11:22 |
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mle |
davi: this is exactly why I like the coop methodolgy. |
| 11:22 |
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davi |
mle, cooperative is not the panacea, but it is for sure the way to good. Free Software philosophy and movement is not enough alone |
| 11:23 |
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mle |
we live in interesting times. :) |
| 11:23 |
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chris |
ah well a vote is good enough ;) |
| 11:24 |
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mle |
re AGPLv3 is it irrationality or perfectionism. ? |
| 11:24 |
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davi |
I think it will be an easy win for the AGPLv3+ switch, after 3.2 |
| 11:24 |
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davi |
mle, Do you know slef rationales about AGPLv3? |
| 11:24 |
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mle |
will google help me? |
| 11:25 |
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mle |
i.e. no i dont yet know. |
| 11:25 |
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davi |
no for a complete view, as it is spread on several lists |
| 11:25 |
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mle |
i owuld be interested i respect slef |
| 11:26 |
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davi |
Rationale thinking require analysis and previous predisposition to accept other points of view if they are the right ones |
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| 11:27 |
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davi |
Unfortunately I have discovered my old mother is not able to change position any more ;-) |
| 11:27 |
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davi |
That is biology |
| 11:28 |
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davi |
It is a lot harder change a old mind because almost all neurological connection are "hard connected and defined" |
| 11:28 |
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mle |
for sure |
| 11:28 |
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mle |
s/work/play/ :) |
| 11:28 |
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mle |
keep mind young |
| 11:28 |
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mle |
play++ |
| 11:28 |
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davi |
Also the ability to learn new things is reduced, and that only make it harder to accept new rationales, which are just rejected |
| 11:28 |
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gmcharlt |
davi: not all older people are like that of course :) |
| 11:28 |
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davi |
no, of course |
| 11:29 |
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* gmcharlt |
remembers newspaper article from yesterday about somebody is about to get her masters degree at the age of 98 or 99 |
| 11:29 |
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mle is now known as grumpy_old_man |
| 11:29 |
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Ropuch^_ |
Morning #koha |
| 11:29 |
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* grumpy_old_man |
rants about the old days |
| 11:29 |
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chris |
hi Ropuch^_ |
| 11:29 |
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grumpy_old_man is now known as mle |
| 11:29 |
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chris |
hows poland today? |
| 11:29 |
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davi |
Education while you were young is a factor which helps, because it help to define an open mind for the rest of life |
| 11:29 |
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davi |
helpS |
| 11:30 |
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mle |
davi: good point |
| 11:30 |
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davi |
Education is *key* |
| 11:30 |
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davi |
I have to go, later |
| 11:30 |
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chris |
cya later |
| 11:30 |
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* mle |
notes that a great way to educate is via play :) |
| 11:30 |
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mle |
ttfn davi |
| 11:33 |
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jbglaw |
To introduce myself a bit, I'm playing with Koha these days. |
| 11:34 |
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jbglaw |
My girlfriend an I, we both have quite a collection of books and magazines, both of which are lend to other people quite a lot. |
| 11:34 |
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chris |
ahh cool |
| 11:35 |
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jbglaw |
So I installed Koha twice right now, with different amount of initial data during the very first steps with the web frontend. |
| 11:35 |
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chris |
different amounts of the sample data? |
| 11:37 |
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jbglaw |
chris: In the very first steps done with the web browser after the shell'ish part of the installation, you get a list of (I guess) SQL sets that can be loaded to initialize common data structures, like currencies, item types, patron types etc. |
| 11:37 |
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chris |
yep |
| 11:38 |
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chris |
(sample data) |
| 11:38 |
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jbglaw |
Some are mentioned to be mandatory, others are optional. However, to have a really working system, you either need to install the optional examples, or configure really matching entities on your own. |
| 11:38 |
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chris |
yep |
| 11:39 |
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jbglaw |
However, Koha's Perl sources *depend* on a lot of readily done configuration right now. (If you omit the sample data and don't do the needed configury by yourself, you'll get at least a hugh amount of "Use of uninitialized value" in the logs.) |
| 11:40 |
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jbglaw |
Of course, a lot of actions (eg. ordering books, which needs budget and funds) won't work (partially eg. because of missing biblio stuff.) |
| 11:40 |
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chris |
yep, you have to work through the checklist in the manual |
| 11:41 |
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jbglaw |
To draw a lie, I'm asking myself if it would be helpful to actually *check* that needed stuff is already in the database. |
| 11:42 |
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jbglaw |
Eg. while trying to order a book, check that there's at least one fund/budget available; check for biblio matching (I haven't yet understood that interfacing part with MARC, though. Remember, I'm just a book owner, not a librarian :-D) |
| 11:43 |
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jbglaw |
However, with loaded sample data, Koha seems to mostly simply "work" in an intuitive way. |
| 11:44 |
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chris |
it certainly wouldn't hurt |
| 11:44 |
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chris |
nicer error messages ftw |
| 11:44 |
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chris |
any patches aimed at doing that i would love to see :) |
| 11:45 |
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jbglaw |
Even without knowing a lot of the field's names (of course things like Author, Title, ISBN etc. tell me something, but especially the MARC and Z39.50 are out of my horizon right now...) |
| 11:45 |
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jbglaw |
Probably that's not even hard to do. |
| 11:45 |
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chris |
if you never have to learn about MARC .. you can consider yourself blessed :-) |
| 11:45 |
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jbglaw |
Though I'm usually hacking in C and shell. |
| 11:45 |
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jbglaw |
*g* |
| 11:47 |
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jbglaw |
Media can be checked out and in. Simple case, but what are "holds"? |
| 11:47 |
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chris |
you may have heard them called reserves |
| 11:48 |
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chris |
placing a reservation on an item (or group of items) |
| 11:48 |
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chris |
is called placing a hold in the US at least |
| 11:48 |
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chris |
here in nz we use reserve |
| 11:49 |
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chris |
so say im at home, and i want a copy of the hobbit, i can reserve it, so its there waiting when i go into the library to pick it up |
| 11:50 |
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jbglaw |
Ah. |
| 11:50 |
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jbglaw |
Thanks! |
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cait |
have a nice weekend all ! |
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chris |
night all |
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gmcharlt |
good night |
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chris_n |
sleep well chris |
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zico |
hi |
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zico |
i am facing problem regarding printing label in Bangla ( unicode ) from koha - 3.0.5 |
| 16:33 |
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zico |
as some of you suggested me to use 3rd party lable printing tool for Unicode character |
| 16:33 |
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zico |
but, i tried to do so & i failed |
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zico |
the reasons are |
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zico |
1. our library officer who is using Windows machine... |
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zico |
2. some of you suggested me kbarcodeprinter |
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zico |
but...though he is using windows machine it has become impossible to do something there |
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zico |
is there any other way to print Bangla ( Bangladesh ) character barcode? |
| 16:35 |
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zico |
i need it badly, because, we have more than 12,000 books in Bangla |
| 16:42 |
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zico |
is there anyone who can help me to bring any suggestions regarding this unicode barcode printing issue? |
| 16:42 |
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zico |
professors of my university is really giving a bad look at me all the time :D |
| 16:43 |
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zico |
and, now they are questioning, "What is the purpose of using open source software if it has sooo many problems"???? :( |
| 17:11 |
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* chris_n |
suggests that perhaps zico could work on code to fix the problems and contribute that back to the project |
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zico |
:) |
| 17:12 |
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zico |
chris_n: i am thinking of that |
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zico |
chris_n: but, my question is, how people other than english language working on with their native character label printing? |
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chris_n |
probably most are using an open source os and kbarcode, I imagine |
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zico |
:( :( |
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zico |
chris_n: by the way |
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zico |
another issue... say... somehow i managed to use kbarcode there in windows machine |
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zico |
but... the point is..how can i import barcode data from koha to kbarcode? is it possible? |
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brendan |
afternoon #koha |
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chilts |
chris_n: am enjoying your email exchanges with Sean McIntyre, you write very well and with great enthusiasm ... and so does Sean |
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