IRC log for #koha, 2010-05-15

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00:06 wizzyrea_laptop for 3.0.6
00:06 wizzyrea_laptop ?
00:21 wizzyrea_laptop nengard do you need help reassigning bugs
00:21 wizzyrea_laptop ?
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01:57 chris_n wizzyrea_laptop: yup... 3.0.6
01:57 chris_n hdl was trying his best to get it out this evening
01:57 chris_n but I think sleep overtook him :)
02:18 wizzyrea_laptop well that seems logical it's effin late there.
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03:05 SJeffery Evenin folks
03:32 wizzyrea_laptop hi there
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04:24 wajasu ok. so i had used marc4j to read my non marc cp1252 CSV export file from ancient library pc app.  I though I set UTF8 conversion at al points, and used an AnseltoUnicode converter , but...
04:26 wajasu I see <U+00fc> in various records in the DB.  So I messed up.  Its imported into koha.  No I need to export and fix.  I guess I'll export all the biblios.  write a program to read teh marc recs, and convert properly back to marc utf8. then import into koha again.
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04:32 kmkale Good morning all
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05:05 kmkale 10:00:00 UTC is good time for us. The last few meetings were at half past mid night in India
05:07 wajasu if i export biblios as koha.xml, and fix fields.  Then when I import them again, does koha fix the leaders accordingly?
05:21 kmkale is there any way to disable staff patron from logging in to a different branch than his/her assigned one?
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07:25 chris evening
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07:55 cait hi #koha
07:56 chris hiya cait
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08:12 cait hi chris
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09:55 mle allo  :)
09:56 mle @eightball one or two sugars
09:56 munin mle: Maybe...
09:56 mle @eightball one or two sugars
09:56 munin mle: No clue.
09:58 chris hi mle
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10:04 mle hey chris was just checking your comment on nicole's blog.
10:06 chris ah, yeah i felt i need to do a little defense as she was coming under a bit of an attack
10:07 chris play the ball, not the man and all that
10:07 mle clarity is a keyword that has been popping up in a couple of my projects
10:09 chris what projects do you work on? and i see you are in the UK .. do you know slef?
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10:12 cait @eightball javaserver pages homework?
10:12 munin cait: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
10:12 chris heh
10:14 cait later suits me well
10:14 cait @eightball late breakfast?
10:14 munin cait: The outlook is good.
10:14 cait :)
10:16 mle[…]/03/10/not-yours/
10:35 chris heh
10:51 mle yes i know slef. he is a great guy. i like the cooperative way of doing business. i note a few tllp ppl in here. : )
10:52 chris yep davi is another one
10:53 mle projecs- mostly focused on incoming baby at the moment. SO i have had to rationalise what else i work on. : )  but i also host stuff.  My main thing is Moodle, teaching and advocating FOSS.
10:54 chris ahh cool
10:54 chris catalyst (who i work for) do a lot of moodle stuff
10:55 mle soon i will look into moodle koha integration.
10:55 chris we have single sign on going
10:55 chris using saml
10:55 mle saml
10:55 mle ok
10:55 mle ty
10:55 mle that is the next project
10:55 mle does that help you get federated access to journals?
10:56 chris it could potentially yes
10:56 mle sweet
10:56 davi yes, I am.   I had a hardware computer crash, and was off line some days
10:56 chris have you heard of mahara?
10:56 mle i have
10:57 mle i was a bit stumped by the moodle partners thing.
10:57 chris yeah their project organisation is a bit different to koha
10:57 mle i have been foss advocate for years and used moodle for years. but i fidn that i cannot advertise my services since i am not moodle partner.
10:58 mle ho hum
10:58 mle i guess their model is one way to keep the project from being taken over by large corps.
10:58 davi Typo3 also ask you _to pay_ to be listed as service provider in the typo3 site
10:58 mle but i was suprised that moodel partnership is not based upon meritocracy rather than percieved market capacity.  : <
10:59 davi It is a way to keep it under _your control_, and a way to get money too (for you, of course)
10:59 mle ahh yes the benefits of a beneficial dicator.  :)
10:59 davi You are the one who do most of the work, you know
11:00 davi It would be a way to finance the future "Koha democratic Association"
11:00 mle yes and sometimes design by committee doesnt work so well. imho
11:01 mle as long as there is clarity
11:01 mle thats what i say
11:01 davi Anyway, I am not sure if that is a good idea, (the pay per be listed one), However, even the FSF use it in its job listing. So it sure is ethic ;-)
11:02 mle for those that have not seen it, I think that this video has a great deal to offer.[…]16011961522818645#
11:02 davi Let me look
11:02 mle "How to protect your Open source project from pOisonous peopel"
11:02 * mle apologies for sloppy typing
11:03 davi How old are you, and what IT do you have?
11:03 mle davi i think that the video appliees to btw . : )
11:03 mle i has an old ibm thinkpad
11:04 davi ack
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11:06 gmcharlt good morning
11:06 davi mle, Google is a Free Software parasite in some way
11:07 chris morning gmcharlt
11:07 davi mle, and by being a parasite Google success
11:10 mle davi sorry it was a google video. i do not condone google. but i do like the content.
11:13 davi sure, content is good
11:13 mle :)
11:13 davi I just was exposing a comment, a personal opinion about Google.
11:15 davi The use of 'Affero GPL v3" would have avoid such Google parasite behaviour
11:15 davi s/avoid/avoided/
11:15 mle i respect your opinion. I ws impressed at how quickly scroogle came back after google changd their api which broke scroogle last week.
11:16 davi when there is demand, there is solution
11:17 mle thus its about raising the demand for Freedom.  :)
11:19 davi in the way we will get lots of parasites
11:19 chris davi: can you convince slef on the benefits of apgl3 ? ;)
11:19 davi What we must do is not allow such parasites get  too much big, because else
11:20 davi it will be very hard to get rig of them
11:20 davi They will only allow us be alive, as much as to keep they getting healthy
11:20 mle but then we come up against lazyness (ease of use) and ubiquity (everyone else does it)
11:21 mle but yes, i agree
11:21 davi chilts, I will vote in favour of AGPLv3, but I can not convince him as they is inside a hole of irrationality about this subject
11:21 davi chris ^
11:22 mle davi: this is exactly why I like the coop methodolgy.
11:22 davi mle, cooperative is not the panacea, but it is for sure the way to good. Free Software philosophy and movement is not enough alone
11:23 mle we live in interesting times. :)
11:23 chris ah well a vote is good enough ;)
11:24 mle re AGPLv3 is it irrationality or perfectionism. ?
11:24 davi I think it will be an easy win for the AGPLv3+ switch, after 3.2
11:24 davi mle, Do you know slef rationales about AGPLv3?
11:24 mle will google help me?
11:25 mle i.e. no i dont yet know.
11:25 davi no for a complete view, as it is spread on several lists
11:25 mle i owuld be interested i respect slef
11:26 davi Rationale thinking require analysis and previous predisposition to accept other points of view if they are the right ones
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11:27 davi Unfortunately I have discovered my old mother is not able to change position any more ;-)
11:27 davi That is biology
11:28 davi It is a lot harder change a old mind because almost all neurological connection are "hard connected and defined"
11:28 mle for sure
11:28 mle s/work/play/  :)
11:28 mle keep mind young
11:28 mle play++
11:28 davi Also the ability to learn new things is reduced, and that only make it harder to accept new rationales, which are just rejected
11:28 gmcharlt davi: not all older people are like that of course :)
11:28 davi no, of course
11:29 * gmcharlt remembers newspaper article from yesterday about somebody is about to get her masters degree at the age of 98 or 99
11:29 mle is now known as grumpy_old_man
11:29 Ropuch^_ Morning #koha
11:29 * grumpy_old_man rants about the old days
11:29 chris hi Ropuch^_
11:29 grumpy_old_man is now known as mle
11:29 chris hows poland today?
11:29 davi Education while you were young is a factor which helps, because it help to define an open mind for the rest of life
11:29 davi helpS
11:30 mle davi: good point
11:30 davi Education is *key*
11:30 davi I have to go, later
11:30 chris cya later
11:30 * mle notes that a great way to educate is via play  :)
11:30 mle ttfn davi
11:33 jbglaw To introduce myself a bit, I'm playing with Koha these days.
11:34 jbglaw My girlfriend an I, we both have quite a collection of books and magazines, both of which are lend to other people quite a lot.
11:34 chris ahh cool
11:35 jbglaw So I installed Koha twice right now, with different amount of initial data during the very first steps with the web frontend.
11:35 chris different amounts of the sample data?
11:37 jbglaw chris: In the very first steps done with the web browser after the shell'ish part of the installation, you get a list of (I guess) SQL sets that can be loaded to initialize common data structures, like currencies, item types, patron types etc.
11:37 chris yep
11:38 chris (sample data)
11:38 jbglaw Some are mentioned to be mandatory, others are optional. However, to have a really working system, you either need to install the optional examples, or configure really matching entities on your own.
11:38 chris yep
11:39 jbglaw However, Koha's Perl sources *depend* on a lot of readily done configuration right now. (If you omit the sample data and don't do the needed configury by yourself, you'll get at least a hugh amount of "Use of uninitialized value" in the logs.)
11:40 jbglaw Of course, a lot of actions (eg. ordering books, which needs budget and funds) won't work (partially eg. because of missing biblio stuff.)
11:40 chris yep, you have to work through the checklist in the manual
11:41 jbglaw To draw a lie, I'm asking myself if it would be helpful to actually *check* that needed stuff is already in the database.
11:42 jbglaw Eg. while trying to order a book, check that there's at least one fund/budget available; check for biblio matching (I haven't yet understood that interfacing part with MARC, though. Remember, I'm just a book owner, not a librarian :-D)
11:43 jbglaw However, with loaded sample data, Koha seems to mostly simply "work" in an intuitive way.
11:44 chris it certainly wouldn't hurt
11:44 chris nicer error messages ftw
11:44 chris any patches aimed at doing that i would love to see :)
11:45 jbglaw Even without knowing a lot of the field's names (of course things like Author, Title, ISBN etc. tell me something, but especially the MARC and Z39.50 are out of my horizon right now...)
11:45 jbglaw Probably that's not even hard to do.
11:45 chris if you never have to learn about MARC .. you can consider yourself blessed :-)
11:45 jbglaw Though I'm usually hacking in C and shell.
11:45 jbglaw *g*
11:47 jbglaw Media can be checked out and in. Simple case, but what are "holds"?
11:47 chris you may have heard them called reserves
11:48 chris placing a reservation on an item (or group of items)
11:48 chris is called placing a hold in the US at least
11:48 chris here in nz we use reserve
11:49 chris so say im at home, and i want a copy of the hobbit, i can reserve it, so its there waiting when i go into the library to pick it up
11:50 jbglaw Ah.
11:50 jbglaw Thanks!
12:12 cait have a nice weekend all !
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12:48 chris night all
12:48 gmcharlt good night
12:58 chris_n sleep well chris
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16:32 zico hi
16:33 zico i am facing problem regarding printing label in Bangla ( unicode ) from koha - 3.0.5
16:33 zico as some of you suggested me to use 3rd party lable printing tool for Unicode character
16:33 zico but, i tried to do so & i failed
16:33 zico the reasons are
16:33 zico 1. our library officer who is using Windows machine...
16:34 zico 2. some of you suggested me kbarcodeprinter
16:34 zico but...though he is using windows machine it has become impossible to do something there
16:34 zico is there any other way to print Bangla ( Bangladesh ) character barcode?
16:35 zico i need it badly, because, we have more than 12,000 books in Bangla
16:42 zico is there anyone who can help me to bring any suggestions regarding this unicode barcode printing issue?
16:42 zico professors of my university is really giving a bad look at me all the time :D
16:43 zico and, now they are questioning, "What is the purpose of using open source software if it has sooo many problems"???? :(
17:11 * chris_n suggests that perhaps zico could work on code to fix the problems and contribute that back to the project
17:12 zico :)
17:12 zico chris_n: i am thinking of that
17:13 zico chris_n: but, my question is, how people other than english language working on with their native character label printing?
17:13 chris_n probably most are using an open source os and kbarcode, I imagine
17:21 zico :( :(
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18:30 zico chris_n: by the way
18:30 zico another issue... say... somehow i managed to use kbarcode there in windows machine
18:31 zico but... the point can i import barcode data from koha to kbarcode? is it possible?
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22:36 brendan afternoon #koha
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23:52 chilts chris_n: am enjoying your email exchanges with Sean McIntyre, you write very well and with great enthusiasm ... and so does Sean
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