IRC log for #koha, 2010-05-07

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00:02 chris_n Business::PayPal
00:02 chris be nice to do something like the sms solution
00:02 chris so that ppl could chose one that works for their locale
00:03 chris but paypal would be a darn good start
00:03 chris_n maybe a module to interface with processor modules and a syspref to select which processor
00:04 chris *nod*
00:05 * chris_n pushes it into the todo buffer
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00:49 * chris_n thinks that #koha provides the fastest responses to questions of any irc channel he has visited yet
00:50 chris_n #koha++
00:51 brendan agreed
00:51 brendan #koha++
00:52 brendan so here's a question on the item detail page under the edit button - what does attach an item do?
00:59 * gmcharlt shakes first at YAML::XS for not having the courtesy to package itself for lenny ;)
01:02 gmcharlt brendan: transfers a different item attached to another bib
01:02 chris_n brendan: that is for the future C4::Quantum::Storage module
01:02 chris_n which allows you to store the actual item itself in the database
01:02 gmcharlt i.e., go to target bib, choose 'attach item', enter barcode of the item you want to relink to that bib
01:02 brendan yeah no worries chris_n  - thanks gmcharlt
01:03 * brendan was being cute
01:03 brendan was almost thinking MFHD
01:04 * chris_n has been hammering on samba tooooo long
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01:55 chris[…]le-at-ala-annual/
01:55 chris glad brenda chawner will be there
03:31 brendan chris I think we are a go for tutorial or at least discussion on nginx in IRC channel at some point
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03:32 chris sweet
03:32 Amit_G heya all
03:32 brendan we've seemed to get enough interest
03:32 Amit_G heya chris, brendan
03:32 brendan hiya Amit_g
03:36 chris_n hi Amit_g
03:36 Amit_G heya chris_n
03:38 brendan chris_n what's the goal of C4::Quantum::Storage
03:39 brendan heh
03:43 chris_n brendan: put simply, such a module would utilize the basic concepts of quantum mechanics along with principles of statistical mechanics as applied to non-equalibrium problems and apply them in such a way as to take advantage of nanoscale current flow thereby allowing physical items to be stored in the data base rather than on costly and space consuming stacks in the traditional manner.
03:44 brendan HA excellent answer
03:44 brendan heh
03:44 chris_n I'm sure such a feature would make many librarians very happy :)
03:44 brendan :)
03:45 chris_n just think, you could carry your books home with you in your library card
03:47 brendan shudders at the nano-weight
03:50 Amit_G @wunder New Delih
03:50 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Orleans Lakefront, Louisiana is 24.0�C (9:53 PM CDT on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
03:50 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi
03:50 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 31.0�C (9:00 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
03:50 Amit_G @wunder Dehradun
03:50 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa.
03:50 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore
03:50 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.0�C.
04:00 brendan @wunder 93117
04:00 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0�C (8:45 PM PDT on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Friday...
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04:09 chris_n @wunder 28334
04:09 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 24.0�C (12:03 AM EDT on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
04:11 chris_n g'night #koha
04:13 brendan night dude
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05:03 Amit_G heya jransom, kmkale
05:03 kmkale Good Morning all :)
05:03 kmkale hi amit
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05:12 cait good morning #koha
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06:32 kf good morning #koha
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06:43 kf fredericd: around?
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07:09 kf pootle is really slow
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07:20 kf chris: around?
07:29 hdl_laptop hi
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07:34 kf hi hdl_laptop
07:35 hdl_laptop hi kf
07:35 kmkale hi hdl_laptop kf
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07:40 kmkale ok is perl 5.10.0 or later a *requirement* for 3.2 and master?
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07:54 kf oh pootle
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09:01 CGI388 hi, does anybody know if koha is good to manage thousands items of the same book ?
09:02 kf one record with thousands of items?
09:02 kf I think there is a limit right now
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09:03 kf[…]faq/cataloging/#6
09:04 Amit_G heya kf
09:04 magnus and that is not a limit imposed by koha, but by the ISO-2709 format used by koha
09:08 CGI388 ok, understood, thanks!
09:17 kf hi Amit_G
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10:30 chris_n g'morning
10:38 kf hi chris_n
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11:47 jdavidb @karma jdavidb
11:47 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
11:47 jdavidb mornin', #koha
11:48 * jdavidb does a little happy dance, having noticed his karma finally hit twenty.
11:53 * braedon|home1 congratulates jdavidb
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11:53 jwagner @karma jwagner
11:53 munin jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26.
12:00 jdavidb jwagner++
12:00 * jwagner grins
12:01 * jdavidb like handling jwagner's issues with code; screenshots and detailed descriptions land in my inbox, as opposed to panic attacks screaming "it doesn't work!" with no other detail.
12:03 jwagner Oh, I can panic with the best of them....
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12:26 kf jdavidb++ ;)
12:26 jdavidb thanks, kf! :)
12:26 kf @karma cait
12:26 munin kf: Karma for "cait" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
12:26 kf @karma kf
12:26 munin kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
12:27 kf hm, have to work on that :)
12:28 jdavidb @karma
12:28 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (133), "chris" (126), and "owen" (102).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-55), "failed" (-36), and "-" (-23).  You (jdavidb) are ranked 17 out of 806.
12:29 owen @karma <!
12:29 munin owen: Karma for "<!" has been increased 1 time and decreased 56 times for a total karma of -55.
12:29 gmcharlt poor punctuation
12:29 brendan morning
12:29 jdavidb howdy, brendan; you're up early!
12:29 brendan :)
12:30 braedon who has been entering comment tags?
12:30 owen <!-- TMPL_IF -->Quoting templates<!-- /TMPL_IF-->
12:30 owen @karma <!
12:30 munin owen: Karma for "<!" has been increased 1 time and decreased 57 times for a total karma of -56.
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12:30 braedon ahh
12:31 braedon i see
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12:55 kmkale good evening everybody
12:55 * braedon waves
12:56 braedon good evening to you indeed
12:56 kmkale @weather Mumbai
12:56 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (5:40 PM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
12:57 kmkale hi braedon
13:07 jdavidb hi, kmkale! :)
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13:13 kmkale hi jdavidb
13:13 kmkale I really got stuck yesterday trying to install either 3.2 or master on a machine with 5.8.8
13:14 kmkale had weird make test errors
13:14 kmkale finally chris_n suggested it must be perl and I uograded to 5.10.0 and lo all is well again
13:14 kmkale :)
13:17 kmkale but I cant install DBD::SQLite2 on this machine anywhich way I try. How important is having this module?
13:19 owen I know I've heard about Bug 4462 before, but I'm not sure I remember correctly what the potential problem is
13:19 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4462 minor, P5, ---,, NEW, Sort By Publication Date Does Not Work
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13:19 owen Isn't Zebra looking at one of the 00 tags for the date on which to sort?
13:19 owen ...rather than, for instance, trying to parse out a date from 260?
13:22 chris_n kmkale: DBD::SQLite2 is not necessary unless you use the offline circ tool
13:22 chris_n it won't install for me either
13:22 kmkale ok. cool.
13:23 chris_n however, it would be interesting to see if someone else can confirm the apparent 5.10 requirement for 3.2alpha2
13:23 chris_n I don't think that is an intended "feature"
13:23 kmkale yes. but I tried very hard as you know.
13:24 kmkale i could install 3.0.0 to 3.0.5 but not 3.2alpha2 or master
13:24 kmkale may be that make test paste might have given you a clue?
13:27 jcamins owen: I have no idea where the sorting is, but I suspect the answer is "yes." Of course, that means that the text in the sort box is misleading.
13:28 kf why misleading?
13:29 kf its the publication date, standardized for sorting
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13:30 jcamins Because if you look in record.abs, for some reason 260c is considered the copyright date (and, yes, I know _that_ is actually the misleading bit).
13:30 jcamins (it just depends whether you're the librarian or the developer)
13:30 jcamins :)
13:31 owen What does record.abs say about publication date?
13:32 jcamins 008/07-10
13:33 owen "080605s2008 ctua e b 001 0 eng d"
13:33 owen Does that correctly work out to "2008" ?
13:33 owen I guess if you start from zero
13:33 jcamins I would argue that the sorting has the desired behavior, it's just confusing to have 'copydate' separate.
13:34 jcamins Hm... does Zebra start from zero?
13:34 jcamins (checking now)
13:35 jcamins Yep.
13:36 jcamins This reminds me that we're still missing dates in tens of thousands of records.
13:37 owen My test seems to show correct sorting based on 008/07-10. It can look out of order if you judge by the copyright date
13:37 jcamins Yeah. I looked at the example in the bug report, and the 008/07-10 isn't set for the records at the top.
13:38 jcamins (or, rather, it's 9999)
13:39 owen jcamins: Where did you look to find that information about record.abs?
13:40 jcamins etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs
13:41 jcamins The whole handling of dates in Zebra is a little funny.
13:41 jcamins (that is, the current configuration, not the way Zebra handles dates)
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13:44 owen jcamins: So this section of record.abs on the line starting "melm 008"
13:44 owen pubdate:w:range(data,7,4),pubdate:n:range(​data,7,4),pubdate:y:range(data,7,4),pubdat​e:s:range(data,7,4),pl:w:range(data,15,3)
13:44 owen ?
13:45 jcamins Right.
13:45 jcamins And the copydate line starts "melm 260$c"
13:46 owen I assume the "7,4" means start at position 7 and go 4 characters, but what do the "[letter]:range" parts mean?
13:46 owen w, n, y, s?
13:47 jcamins The letters are the type of indexing. I think I have a bookmark to the explanation, one moment.
13:49 jcamins[…]and-charsets.html
13:50 jcamins So, see etc/zebradb/etec/default.idx
13:50 jcamins *etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx
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13:52 owen jcamins: I don't understand what you're pointing out
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13:53 jcamins Sorry. If you look in etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx, it explains what each index is.
13:53 collum word, num, year, sort?
13:53 jcamins So it would seem.
13:55 jcamins I admit I don't entirely understand that bit. I'm still shocked that I was able to get our custom index on 033 to work.
13:55 owen Ah, so Zebra has 4 indexes for that one piece of data
13:56 collum I don't have access to Koha ATM.  I'm looking at
13:57 collum About 20 lines down there's a section on "Date indexing in Koha 3.0 for MARC21"
13:57 owen That's what I see too collum
13:59 kf I think range is needed for the syntax in opac 2005 - 2010ß
13:59 kf ?
13:59 kf ok, I mean the search for publication date in advanced search
14:01 owen Changed Bug 4462 to "worksforme." Someone please comment if I've described the issue incorrectly
14:01 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4462 minor, P5, ---,, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Sort By Publication Date Does Not Work
14:02 jcamins Looks clear to me.
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14:03 owen Thanks for you help jcamins
14:03 owen jcamins++
14:03 jcamins My pleasure. Maybe some day I'll start _really_ understanding Zebra, and I'll be able to get 033 indexed in the standard installation.
14:04 jcamins (since no one ever uses 033, that's the field for "date of event, etc." in MARC21)
14:04 owen How is it used?
14:05 jcamins We (and the Grolier Club) use it for auction catalogs, so that the date of the auction is searchable.
14:05 owen Interesting
14:05 jcamins (I'm checking if our external catalog is up, and if it is, I can send you an example)
14:06 * owen first worked in an art museum library, so he remembers shelving lots of auction catalogs
14:07 jcamins (catalog is down... I bet I can take a screenshot, though)
14:14 jcamins
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14:31 owen Why do we have an items.renewals and an issues.renewals?
14:32 jwagner jcamins, I have a site that's trying to catalog auction catalogs.  I set them up with local note fields for auction date, location, & auction house, then created separate indexes and searches for just those fields to isolate.
14:32 owen is now known as owen-away
14:33 sekjal owen:  I think the intent is that issues.renewals tracks how many times a book has been renewed for the current loan, and items.renewals tracks how many times it has been renewed in its lifespan
14:34 wizzyrea good morning
14:35 kf good morning wizzyrea
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14:37 kf wizzyrea: can I search in the 3.2 manual?
14:37 wizzyrea you can, with the caveat that the results aren't all that helpful sometimes
14:37 wizzyrea just use the site search
14:37 wizzyrea i'm trying to find a way to search just the manual
14:38 kf ah, I think I used for the wrong thing
14:38 kf im searching for a description of independantbranches
14:39 kf but forgot to truncate :)
14:39 kf oh my, cant think english right now - I seached for the wrong term: independant
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14:40 CGI801 enable
14:40 CGI801 sh ip int brief
14:40 kf wizzyrea: hm, independantbranches does not work, although there is a chapter for that
14:41 CGI801 sh running ip
14:41 CGI801 hostname
14:42 CGI801 do sh  ip int brief
14:42 CGI801 config t
14:42 CGI801 config t
14:42 gmcharlt CGI801: wrong window?
14:42 CGI801 config
14:42 CGI801 do sh ip intbrief
14:43 CGI801 do sh ip int brief
14:43 wizzyrea I bet he's wondering why that's not working
14:43 CGI801 logout
14:43 wizzyrea yep.
14:43 CGI801 logout
14:43 hdl_laptop CGI801: this is irc
14:43 * wizzyrea waits for the password
14:43 hdl_laptop '/quit
14:44 wizzyrea hdl_laptop: I think he's in the wrong window
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14:44 wizzyrea lol
14:44 wizzyrea 10 bucks they rebooted their computer
14:44 wizzyrea because the keyboard wasn't working
14:45 CGI407 ok i m quit
14:45 CGI407 by by
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14:45 wizzyrea bye :)
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14:54 fredericd hdl_laptop: perldancer is a very nice framework, I agree :)
14:54 * chris_n thinks munin should recognize and respond to unix commands :)
14:55 fredericd format /dev/hda
14:56 chris_n sudo rm -fr /
14:56 * collum would be scared to type that in even in IRC.
14:58 wizzyrea ^^
14:58 * wizzyrea agrees with collum
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14:59 hdl_laptop fredericd: have you experienced that ?
15:01 hdl_laptop There have been quite lovely proof of concept about that here.
15:01 fredericd yes, with Koha.
15:01 fredericd almost instantaneous reponse time for an OPAC
15:03 pastebot "kmkale" at pasted "Web Installer › Step 3 errors" (8 lines) at
15:03 kmkale guyz on a fresh git master install while running web installer I am getting couple of errors on  step 3 inserting data
15:04 kmkale bug?
15:06 hdl_laptop same here
15:09 hdl_laptop see you folks
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15:19 gmcharlt kmkale: yes, bug - please file
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15:30 kf can someone explain the check for dublicates in cataloging? how does it work?
15:31 kf I have a catalog of questions about koha to answer...
15:32 kmkale gmcharlt: ok
15:35 jcamins If I use Stage MARC Records for Import, I don't have to manually reindex the Zebra, right? I mean, the incremental indexing cron job should take care of it?
15:35 jcamins kf: I've never used that feature. Actually, I haven't really done any cataloging in Koha yet. But I eagerly await the day when I have the opportunity to.
15:36 jwagner jcamins, yes the indexing cron should take care of things.  However, if I'm importing a whole lot of records I might suspend that cron & do a manual rebuild instead.
15:37 jcamins jwagner: Thanks. I think I may do that, then, since I'm importing 176k records.
15:37 kmkale Bug 4466
15:37 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4466 major, P5, ---,, NEW, Web Installer › Step 3 errors
15:37 jwagner jcamins, yes, that's way too many to digest at once :-)
15:38 jcamins For the computer and me, both!
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15:47 jcamins Is there any danger of bad things happening if I truncate import_records?
15:48 jcamins I mean, besides my losing the records which failed to import?
15:48 kstanton @wunder 64506
15:48 munin kstanton: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 13.3�C (10:48 AM CDT on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising).
15:49 jcamins Huh. Turns out the problem is that /var is full.
15:49 jcamins Probably this has been my problem all along.
15:54 kstanton @seen wizzyrea_away
15:54 munin kstanton: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> sure thing
15:54 kstanton @seen wizzyrea
15:54 munin kstanton: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 56 minutes and 26 seconds ago: * wizzyrea agrees with collum
15:55 kstanton @seen rhcl
15:55 munin kstanton: rhcl was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 32 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <rhcl> rhcl likes larsw's drawing. Makes things clear.
15:56 kstanton RHCL would like to introduce Kelly from Rolling Hills Library. She is our web mistress and will be doing some of our Koha web decoration someday probably.
16:03 jcamins Does anyone here know off the top of their head how large the /var (or /, if you don't have a separate /var) is in their working Koha installation?
16:08 jwagner Welcome, Kelly / kstanton
16:11 kstanton Hi Jane!
16:16 chris_n hey kstanton
16:16 wizzyrea_away oh hi
16:16 * jwagner says "welcome to the madhouse...."
16:16 wizzyrea_away soryr
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16:17 wizzyrea was at a meeting
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16:23 kf stanton: welcome :)
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16:23 kf kstanton... cant today - a good reason to start my weekend
16:23 kf bye all :)
16:24 kf cant type... args
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16:33 kmkale @weather Mumbai
16:33 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 31.0�C (9:40 PM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
16:39 wizzyrea kmkale: I was trying to apply your patch for fines rules, and I kept getting invalid patch. I was sad.
16:39 wizzyrea idk if anyone else had trouble
16:39 wizzyrea (it could just be me)
16:40 kmkale wizzyrea: i was just working on that.
16:41 kmkale i have a new file can I email you and can you please test it?
16:41 wizzyrea I would be delighted
16:41 wizzyrea
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16:59 kmkale wizzyrea: any luck?
16:59 owen sekjal: Thanks for the tip re:renewals. That sounds right
17:00 * owen is trying to figure out why is querying for 'items.renewalsallowed' on line 2232 of
17:02 gmcharlt it isn't
17:02 gmcharlt see the joins below
17:03 wizzyrea ok sorry, I got called away
17:03 wizzyrea one minute
17:03 owen Sorry gmcharlt I guess it's over my head.
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17:04 owen gmcharlt: How does the join work in relation to "SELECT renewalsallowed FROM items" ?
17:06 gmcharlt owen: the query expands to SELECT renewalsallowed FROM items LEFT JOIN itemtypes ON items.itype = itemtypes.itemtype  WHERE items.itemnumber = ?
17:06 gmcharlt (assuming item-level item types are on)
17:06 gmcharlt since renewalsallowed is a column in itemtypes, not items, that's where te results are pulled from
17:07 owen I get it, thanks.
17:07 wizzyrea kmkale: works, some whitespace errors though
17:07 owen I get confused by what level of specificity is required once you get into joins
17:07 * wizzyrea is very pleased with that patch
17:08 kmkale gr8
17:08 owen The conclusion, however, is that "renewals allowed" from isn't used at all in determining the allowed renewal count
17:09 kmkale I will go after those white space errors and resubmit. Thanks wizzyrea
17:09 owen Also: Uh oh: no longer includes a field for entering "renewals allowed."
17:11 owen Also: No renewalsallowed column in itemtypes
17:11 gmcharlt owen: pushed a patch that may be relevent - please try again
17:14 owen Thanks gmcharlt. Now I can look at Bug 3666 on its own merits
17:14 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3666 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, Overriding renewal limit results in negative count in OPAC display
17:15 gmcharlt owen: so the renewal limit policy seems to be working now?
17:15 owen I see at least that is reporting a correct number for number of renewals allowed
17:16 owen Before no number was appearing at all, hence my hunt
17:17 owen And I can confirm that changing the limit in is reflected by's output
17:21 jcamins gmcharlt: Do you know if the many useful scripts in kohaclone/misc are documented?
17:21 gmcharlt jcamins: some are, some aren't
17:23 jcamins I'll ask nengard if she could add a note about the existence of the undocumented ones to the manual, even if they're not documented right away.
17:24 nengard jcamins nope - that's getting into developer documentation - which is a bit over my head
17:24 nengard what I do have is all of the cron jobs documented
17:24 jcamins Oh. Hm.
17:24 nengard[…]-manual/?ch=a9984
17:24 nengard and if the cron had perl documentation I included that as well
17:25 nengard if not it's not listed
17:25 jcamins Oh well. It was a thought.
17:25 jcamins Perhaps one day I'll have time to document the many useful scripts in kohaclone/misc.
17:26 jcamins :)
17:27 gmcharlt jcamins: feel free to pick just one for now :)
17:27 jcamins Yes, I'd certainly only start with one.
17:27 jcamins nengard: Perhaps this would be a good use for the wiki?
17:27 nengard that's what the developers said :)
17:27 nengard that the wiki was for developer documentation
17:28 nengard if you do start writing something - put it on - not the old site
17:30 jcamins Is there some structure I should be following? I believe you were nominated to decide on a structure for the wiki, and I don't want to put pages in the wrong place or anything.
17:37 kmkale wizzyrea: I have now got the patch to a stage where it applies to current head without any errors
17:38 kmkale should I email it again or just add it as anather attachement to the bug page?
17:38 kmkale gmcharlt?
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17:43 gmcharlt kmkale: both
17:43 kmkale ok
17:43 gmcharlt jcamins: structure can be cleaned up later
17:43 kmkale here goes ( with fingers crossed )
17:45 nengard jcamins - ditto what gmcharlt said
17:45 nengard it's easy with mediawiki to add categories  for structure without having to move pages
17:46 nengard so we can do it whenever
17:53 wizzyrea still waiting for user registrations?
17:53 wizzyrea i.e. use the old bugs?
17:54 owen I was wondering about that... Couldn't we just register those email addresses with random passwords and let them claim them later and do a password-reset?
17:54 wizzyrea guess we need to wait for chris to get up
17:54 wizzyrea but it's Sat. for him
17:57 nengard he said to keep using the old bugs site
17:57 nengard and that he'd call a freeze next week sometime
17:57 nengard so he can move everything
17:57 wizzyrea right, I didn't know if that had changed. Oh, I missed that part
17:57 wizzyrea re: the freeze
17:57 wizzyrea cool beans then
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17:58 wizzyrea bug 3134 is in LEK I think. :/
17:58 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5, ---,, NEW, Ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once
17:59 * owen missed the freeze part too.
17:59 wizzyrea the fix
17:59 wizzyrea i mean
18:09 kmkale gmcharlt: can I ask a newb query regarding git?
18:09 gmcharlt sure
18:10 kmkale I have created and sent a patch now but its on hold as there is a feature freeze, in the meanwhile someone changes one of the files to which the patch applies, so when time come to apply / add the patch it will fail
18:11 kmkale is the abive correct?
18:11 gmcharlt not necessarily
18:12 gmcharlt git can merge many types of changes
18:12 * kmkale goes to readup on git merge
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18:19 kmkale is it possible to reverse a commit? or to reverse a patch applied with git apply?
18:20 jdavidb several ways to do that, depending.
18:20 kmkale depending on what?
18:21 jdavidb if it's the most recent commit or not, and whether or not you feel it's safe to rewrite history.
18:22 jdavidb (once you've pushed a branch somewhere, is better to assume it's not safe to rewrite history; it'll mess things up for others who might use the pushed branch.)
18:22 JeremyLC Has anyone, other than LibLime, implemented the hourly circulation RFC yet?
18:23 kmkale for someone like me whos not pushing any branch
18:23 kmkale ?
18:23 jdavidb If you've done git apply, but not git commit, you can just git checkout <branchname> and your changes will be un-done.
18:23 kmkale meaning start a new branch?
18:23 jdavidb If you've committed it, and it's the top commit, and you don't mind rewriting your local history, git reset --hard HEAD^ will un-do it.
18:24 jdavidb no; git checkout the branchname you're on; it should toss your changes.
18:24 jdavidb (also, could do git checkout HEAD to get to that spot, too)
18:24 jdavidb if it's not the top commit, git revert <commit-hash> is probably the best way to go.
18:24 kmkale huh? i am already in that branch right? it still tosses my changes?
18:25 jdavidb git checkout HEAD will toss uncommitted changes to the current branch, yes.
18:25 kmkale i am getting a picture of a tape reel. am i right?
18:26 jdavidb (I use a text-only client; no pics when I do it, so I don't know that,.)
18:26 kmkale :)
18:26 * jdavidb is an old coot who is more comfortable in a character-cell terminal than a GUI.
18:26 kmkale meaning we rewind to a spot to reverse a commit and replay HEAD from there on
18:26 kmkale right?
18:27 jdavidb that's what it should do--go straight to HEAD, toss everything uncommited to HEAD.
18:27 kmkale where do I see <commit-hash> ?
18:27 wizzyrea kmkale: I"m looking at your fines payment printing thing
18:27 wizzyrea and I don't think you have the option in there to print manual invoices
18:27 jdavidb That's the 32-character hexadecimal identifier for the commit; every commit has one.  I don't know where you'll see that on your client.
18:27 wizzyrea erm credits
18:28 wizzyrea
18:28 kmkale wizzyrea: not yet
18:28 sekjal JeremyLC:  ByWater Solutions is working on hourly loans
18:28 wizzyrea ok cool, just wanted to make sure that was on your list of to-do's :)
18:28 kmkale yup
18:28 wizzyrea yay!
18:28 JeremyLC sekjal: Oh? Are they going to contribute it back to the project?
18:29 sekjal JeremyLC: of course we are!
18:29 JeremyLC sekjal: How far along are they?
18:29 wizzyrea afaik everything bywater does comes back
18:29 JeremyLC er, you then
18:29 sekjal not far enough along to have much to brag about
18:29 JeremyLC sekjal: that is an essential feature for us, and we could implement it (and contribute it back) ourselves, but we don't need to duplicate work
18:30 sekjal but we're aiming to have it done by summers end
18:30 wizzyrea it would also be cool to be able to print an invoice slip
18:30 kmkale jdavidb: how do I see my commits?
18:30 JeremyLC sekjal: any idea when a usable release would be available?
18:30 owen kmkale: git log
18:30 jdavidb Again, you're using a client I've never seen, so I don't know.  "git log" gives a list of them, for me.
18:30 kmkale wizzyrea: you mean manual invoice? or just any ?
18:30 wizzyrea any invoice
18:30 sekjal JeremyLC: I can't give you a date on that, but I can keep you posted
18:31 * wizzyrea notes that she should look at what you did and spring off of it to help out with some of this stuff.
18:31 jdavidb is now known as jdavidb_meeting
18:31 kmkale jdavidb : client? whats that? I am running all these commands in a terminal
18:31 kmkale wizzyrea: yes thats easy
18:32 kmkale planning to put same print link in fron of invoices too
18:32 JeremyLC sekjal: Okay
18:32 kmkale owen: thanks
18:32 wizzyrea kmkale: brilliant!
18:33 kmkale past midnight. working tomorrow. so good night all
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18:34 JeremyLC sekjal: could we possibly discuss this via EMail too? (
18:34 sekjal JeremyLC: of course
18:35 sekjal I've got you down in my contacts list, with a note to keep you posted
18:35 JeremyLC thanks
18:36 sekjal yeah, hourly loans really need doing.  I think it's a blocker for a lot of libraries, particularly academic
18:37 owen I think hourly loans will also be useful for children's comic book collections: "I told you you could look at that for a minute and it's been ONE MINUTE!"
18:39 owen Not that children collect comic books anymore.
18:39 owen "I told you you could look at my Edison Records wax cylinder for a minute and it's been ONE MINUTE."
18:41 sekjal owen: lol
18:44 wizzyrea somebody... anybody... want to reply to slef's concerns re: the vendor list?
18:45 owen What conversation is this?
18:45 wizzyrea on the main list
18:45 wizzyrea he wants the linkback clause and to exclude companies that behave poorly
18:46 owen Is that from today? I don't see it
18:46 wizzyrea sent at 1:18
18:48 nengard i also don't see it on the list...
18:49 nengard was it sent to just you?
18:49 wizzyrea no, it says to: Me CC: Koha list
18:49 collum It's not in my inbox or trash.
18:49 wizzyrea i forwarded it to you owen
18:49 owen could be that fancy fast Google they have in KS. Special just for them.
18:49 wizzyrea well that is just odd
18:49 wizzyrea pbbt
18:50 collum Maybe google has blocked off the US except for KS. :)
18:50 nengard she got it cause it went to her and to the list
18:50 nengard it just didn't make it to the list yet
18:51 wizzyrea must be making its way through the list process now
18:51 owen "Can't locate HTML/ in @INC" ?
18:51 wizzyrea !?
18:51 owen I get that when I go to
18:53 nengard wizzyrea two of the bugs i submitted this morning still haven't made it to the bugs mailing list
18:53 wizzyrea hmmmm
18:53 nengard sounds to me like the koha domains are a bit choked up
18:53 nengard email wise
18:53 wizzyrea perhaps we should ping the biblibre folk
18:53 wizzyrea yea, I haven't gotten anything since 9:55
18:54 wizzyrea this morning
18:54 wizzyrea (except this email from MJ, but it was to me also, as nengard pointed out)
18:54 owen Ditto on my bug activity
18:55 * chris_n confirms no list mail
18:56 chris which list? koha-devel?
18:56 nengard bugs
18:56 nengard and koha
18:56 chris_n any
18:56 chris koha is totally different to the others
18:56 chris_n 7:41am edt is the last from koha here
18:56 chris thats
18:57 chris and there is nothing in the queue there
18:57 nengard hmmm - what about the email wizzy got but none of us did?
18:57 chris_n 7:45 for the dev list
18:57 wizzyrea it was to me
18:57 wizzyrea directly
18:57 wizzyrea + the list
18:57 nengard which list?
18:57 wizzyrea main koha
18:57 chris_n bugs has been working for me, however
18:57 nengard chris - what about that one?
18:57 chris not in the queue
18:58 wizzyrea oooo eeee oooo
18:58 chris its probably in a greylist
18:58 nengard chris_n i submitted 2 bugs this AM and didn't get the emails- but did get other emails
18:58 wizzyrea hm
18:58 wizzyrea or
18:58 chris_n nengard: sorry, those were addressed to me rather than the bug list
18:59 chris_n wizzyrea: last patch came through here ~1:37 am local time
18:59 chris_n but then, Fridays are always slow
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19:06 * wizzyrea is merely a user of the lists, not an admin
19:06 wizzyrea but that's weird that there's nothign in the queue, chris. I'm sure slef meant for that message to go to the list
19:10 owen Anyone have a suggestion for my problem?
19:10 owen "Can't locate HTML/ in @INC" ?
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19:10 owen am I missing a dependency?
19:11 gmcharlt owen: yes
19:11 gmcharlt sudo apt-get install libhtml-scrubber-perl
19:12 * owen wonders if that could have gotten uninstalled when he upgraded
19:13 chris_n wizzyrea: is the list email addr spelled wrong by chance?
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19:14 chris i sent one koha@lists ... nothing so far .. but it didnt bounce .. it just hasnt hit the list yet so maybe there is a big queue of mail
19:16 * owen heading home
19:16 owen Have a good weekend all
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19:18 jcamins chris: You're RM for 3.4, right?
19:19 chris yep
19:21 jcamins I have a question for you... what would it take to get the fix for Bug 4367 into 3.4?
19:21 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4367 normal, P5, ---,, ASSIGNED, shelfbrowser should take collection code into consideration
19:22 jcamins (i.e. does it need to be more general/use a syspref, etc.?)
19:23 chris lemme look
19:24 chris yes would need a syspref
19:25 chris current behaviour should be the default, but if you toggle the syspref then it can work the way libraries with no callnumbers would like
19:25 jcamins Okay. That makes sense. We'll look into adding a syspref, then.
19:25 chris cool
19:27 jcamins We also need to figure out how to make the enhancement for Bug 4421 general, but I don't think that's something I'm going to worry about for a bit yet.
19:27 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4421 enhancement, P5, ---,, NEW, Should be possible to display location for bibs w/o items
19:43 wizzyrea chris_n: no, it doesn't look like the list addy is wrong
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21:07 brendan @roulette
21:07 munin brendan: *click*
21:08 sekjal @roulette
21:08 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
21:09 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
21:09 sekjal well that doesn't bode well
21:10 brendan heh
21:11 brendan @eightball will 3.2 get out the door?
21:11 munin brendan: Maybe...
21:13 wizzyrea @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 2 months?
21:13 munin wizzyrea: Maybe...
21:13 wizzyrea @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 3 months?
21:13 munin wizzyrea: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
21:13 wizzyrea @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 4 months?
21:13 munin wizzyrea: What are you asking me for?
21:13 wizzyrea right. we should ask gmcharlt ;)
21:14 brendan I feel that gmcharlt's answers would be the same
21:14 brendan @eightball gmcharlt is distracted by shiny-things?
21:14 munin brendan: Obviously.
21:14 wizzyrea awwwww that's not fair
21:14 brendan well there you go
21:14 wizzyrea no abusing the RM with his own bot...
21:15 brendan sorry gmcharlt
21:15 brendan gmcharlt++
21:15 wizzyrea :D
21:15 wizzyrea well, as a general rule, it's better not to abuse the RM
21:16 brendan how you doing wizzyrea
21:16 wizzyrea I'm doing well :)
21:16 wizzyrea how about you?
21:16 brendan @eightball is wizzyrea distracted by shiny-things?
21:16 munin brendan: Yes!
21:16 brendan I'm well
21:16 gmcharlt @eightball is munin in need of retraining?
21:16 munin gmcharlt: Unlikely.
21:16 brendan heh
21:17 wizzyrea oh snap, you got told
21:17 gmcharlt @eightball will brendan help by sending patches for blockers?
21:17 munin gmcharlt: No clue.
21:17 gmcharlt hmm
21:18 brendan ouch munin
21:26 wizzyrea huh.[…]10-web-directions
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22:06 sekjal @eightball will I make it as far as Utica tonight?
22:06 munin sekjal: Naturally.
22:06 sekjal oh, thanks, munin.  that's reassuring
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22:30 Genji greetings all
22:30 Genji whats the development guide link?
22:31 Genji and how do i rebase up to a certain commit?
23:27 mason git reset --hard $COMMIT
23:27 mason then do the rebase....
23:28 mason thats what i would do

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