Time  Nick            Message
00:02 chris_n         Business::PayPal
00:02 chris           be nice to do something like the sms solution
00:02 chris           so that ppl could chose one that works for their locale
00:03 chris           but paypal would be a darn good start
00:03 chris_n         maybe a module to interface with processor modules and a syspref to select which processor
00:04 chris           *nod*
00:05 * chris_n       pushes it into the todo buffer
00:49 * chris_n       thinks that #koha provides the fastest responses to questions of any irc channel he has visited yet
00:50 chris_n         #koha++
00:51 brendan         agreed
00:51 brendan         #koha++
00:52 brendan         so here's a question on the item detail page under the edit button - what does attach an item do?
00:59 * gmcharlt      shakes first at YAML::XS for not having the courtesy to package itself for lenny ;)
01:02 gmcharlt        brendan: transfers a different item attached to another bib
01:02 chris_n         brendan: that is for the future C4::Quantum::Storage module
01:02 chris_n         which allows you to store the actual item itself in the database
01:02 gmcharlt        i.e., go to target bib, choose 'attach item', enter barcode of the item you want to relink to that bib
01:02 brendan         yeah no worries chris_n  - thanks gmcharlt
01:03 * brendan       was being cute
01:03 brendan         was almost thinking MFHD
01:04 * chris_n       has been hammering on samba tooooo long
01:55 chris           http://litablog.org/2010/05/lita-preconferences-available-at-ala-annual/
01:55 chris           glad brenda chawner will be there
03:31 brendan         chris I think we are a go for tutorial or at least discussion on nginx in IRC channel at some point
03:32 chris           sweet
03:32 Amit_G          heya all
03:32 brendan         we've seemed to get enough interest
03:32 Amit_G          heya chris, brendan
03:32 brendan         hiya Amit_g
03:36 chris_n         hi Amit_g
03:36 Amit_G          heya chris_n
03:38 brendan         chris_n what's the goal of C4::Quantum::Storage
03:39 brendan         heh
03:43 chris_n         brendan: put simply, such a module would utilize the basic concepts of quantum mechanics along with principles of statistical mechanics as applied to non-equalibrium problems and apply them in such a way as to take advantage of nanoscale current flow thereby allowing physical items to be stored in the data base rather than on costly and space consuming stacks in the traditional manner.
03:44 brendan         HA excellent answer
03:44 brendan         heh
03:44 chris_n         I'm sure such a feature would make many librarians very happy :)
03:44 brendan         :)
03:45 chris_n         just think, you could carry your books home with you in your library card
03:47 brendan         shudders at the nano-weight
03:50 Amit_G          @wunder New Delih
03:50 munin           Amit_G: The current temperature in New Orleans Lakefront, Louisiana is 24.0�C (9:53 PM CDT on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
03:50 Amit_G          @wunder New Delhi
03:50 munin           Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 31.0�C (9:00 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
03:50 Amit_G          @wunder Dehradun
03:50 munin           Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa.
03:50 Amit_G          @wunder Bangalore
03:50 munin           Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.0�C.
04:00 brendan         @wunder 93117
04:00 munin           brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0�C (8:45 PM PDT on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Friday... 
04:09 chris_n         @wunder 28334
04:09 munin           chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 24.0�C (12:03 AM EDT on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
04:11 chris_n         g'night #koha
04:13 brendan         night dude
05:03 Amit_G          heya jransom, kmkale
05:03 kmkale          Good Morning all :)
05:03 kmkale          hi amit
05:12 cait            good morning #koha
06:32 kf              good morning #koha
06:43 kf              fredericd: around?
07:09 kf              pootle is really slow
07:20 kf              chris: around?
07:29 hdl_laptop      hi
07:34 kf              hi hdl_laptop
07:35 hdl_laptop      hi kf
07:35 kmkale          hi hdl_laptop kf
07:40 kmkale          ok is perl 5.10.0 or later a *requirement* for 3.2 and master?
07:54 kf              oh pootle
09:01 CGI388          hi, does anybody know if koha is good to manage thousands items of the same book ?
09:02 kf              one record with thousands of items?
09:02 kf              I think there is a limit right now
09:03 kf              http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/cataloging/#6
09:04 Amit_G          heya kf
09:04 magnus          and that is not a limit imposed by koha, but by the ISO-2709 format used by koha
09:08 CGI388          ok, understood, thanks!
09:17 kf              hi Amit_G
10:30 chris_n         g'morning
10:38 kf              hi chris_n
11:47 jdavidb         @karma jdavidb
11:47 munin           jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
11:47 jdavidb         mornin', #koha
11:48 * jdavidb       does a little happy dance, having noticed his karma finally hit twenty.
11:53 * braedon|home1 congratulates jdavidb
11:53 jwagner         @karma jwagner
11:53 munin           jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26.
12:00 jdavidb         jwagner++
12:00 * jwagner       grins
12:01 * jdavidb       like handling jwagner's issues with code; screenshots and detailed descriptions land in my inbox, as opposed to panic attacks screaming "it doesn't work!" with no other detail.
12:03 jwagner         Oh, I can panic with the best of them....
12:26 kf              jdavidb++ ;)
12:26 jdavidb         thanks, kf! :)
12:26 kf              @karma cait
12:26 munin           kf: Karma for "cait" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
12:26 kf              @karma kf
12:26 munin           kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
12:27 kf              hm, have to work on that :)
12:28 jdavidb         @karma
12:28 munin           jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (133), "chris" (126), and "owen" (102).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-55), "failed" (-36), and "-" (-23).  You (jdavidb) are ranked 17 out of 806.
12:29 owen            @karma <!
12:29 munin           owen: Karma for "<!" has been increased 1 time and decreased 56 times for a total karma of -55.
12:29 gmcharlt        poor punctuation
12:29 brendan         morning
12:29 jdavidb         howdy, brendan; you're up early!
12:29 brendan         :)
12:30 braedon         ..so who has been entering comment tags?
12:30 owen            <!-- TMPL_IF -->Quoting templates<!-- /TMPL_IF-->
12:30 owen            @karma <!
12:30 munin           owen: Karma for "<!" has been increased 1 time and decreased 57 times for a total karma of -56.
12:30 braedon         ahh
12:31 braedon         i see
12:55 kmkale          good evening everybody
12:55 * braedon       waves
12:56 braedon         good evening to you indeed
12:56 kmkale          @weather Mumbai
12:56 munin           kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (5:40 PM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
12:57 kmkale          hi braedon
13:07 jdavidb         hi, kmkale! :)
13:13 kmkale          hi jdavidb
13:13 kmkale          I really got stuck yesterday trying to install either 3.2 or master on a machine with 5.8.8
13:14 kmkale          had weird make test errors
13:14 kmkale          finally chris_n suggested it must be perl and I uograded to 5.10.0 and lo all is well again
13:14 kmkale          :)
13:17 kmkale          but I cant install DBD::SQLite2 on this machine anywhich way I try. How important is having this module?
13:19 owen            I know I've heard about Bug 4462 before, but I'm not sure I remember correctly what the potential problem is
13:19 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4462 minor, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Sort By Publication Date Does Not Work
13:19 owen            Isn't Zebra looking at one of the 00 tags for the date on which to sort?
13:19 owen            ...rather than, for instance, trying to parse out a date from 260?
13:22 chris_n         kmkale: DBD::SQLite2 is not necessary unless you use the offline circ tool
13:22 chris_n         it won't install for me either
13:22 kmkale          ok. cool.
13:23 chris_n         however, it would be interesting to see if someone else can confirm the apparent 5.10 requirement for 3.2alpha2
13:23 chris_n         I don't think that is an intended "feature"
13:23 kmkale          yes. but I tried very hard as you know.
13:24 kmkale          i could install 3.0.0 to 3.0.5 but not 3.2alpha2 or master
13:24 kmkale          may be that make test paste might have given you a clue?
13:27 jcamins         owen: I have no idea where the sorting is, but I suspect the answer is "yes." Of course, that means that the text in the sort box is misleading.
13:28 kf              why misleading?
13:29 kf              its the publication date, standardized for sorting
13:30 jcamins         Because if you look in record.abs, for some reason 260c is considered the copyright date (and, yes, I know _that_ is actually the misleading bit).
13:30 jcamins         (it just depends whether you're the librarian or the developer)
13:30 jcamins         :)
13:31 owen            What does record.abs say about publication date?
13:32 jcamins         008/07-10
13:33 owen            "080605s2008 ctua e b 001 0 eng d"
13:33 owen            Does that correctly work out to "2008" ?
13:33 owen            I guess if you start from zero
13:33 jcamins         I would argue that the sorting has the desired behavior, it's just confusing to have 'copydate' separate.
13:34 jcamins         Hm... does Zebra start from zero?
13:34 jcamins         (checking now)
13:35 jcamins         Yep.
13:36 jcamins         This reminds me that we're still missing dates in tens of thousands of records.
13:37 owen            My test seems to show correct sorting based on 008/07-10. It can look out of order if you judge by the copyright date
13:37 jcamins         Yeah. I looked at the example in the bug report, and the 008/07-10 isn't set for the records at the top.
13:38 jcamins         (or, rather, it's 9999)
13:39 owen            jcamins: Where did you look to find that information about record.abs?
13:40 jcamins         etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs
13:41 jcamins         The whole handling of dates in Zebra is a little funny.
13:41 jcamins         (that is, the current configuration, not the way Zebra handles dates)
13:44 owen            jcamins: So this section of record.abs on the line starting "melm 008"
13:44 owen            pubdate:w:range(data,7,4),pubdate:n:range(data,7,4),pubdate:y:range(data,7,4),pubdate:s:range(data,7,4),pl:w:range(data,15,3)
13:44 owen            ?
13:45 jcamins         Right.
13:45 jcamins         And the copydate line starts "melm 260$c"
13:46 owen            I assume the "7,4" means start at position 7 and go 4 characters, but what do the "[letter]:range" parts mean?
13:46 owen            w, n, y, s?
13:47 jcamins         The letters are the type of indexing. I think I have a bookmark to the explanation, one moment.
13:49 jcamins         http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/fields-and-charsets.html
13:50 jcamins         So, see etc/zebradb/etec/default.idx
13:50 jcamins         *etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx
13:52 owen            jcamins: I don't understand what you're pointing out
13:53 jcamins         Sorry. If you look in etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx, it explains what each index is.
13:53 collum          word, num, year, sort?
13:53 jcamins         So it would seem.
13:55 jcamins         I admit I don't entirely understand that bit. I'm still shocked that I was able to get our custom index on 033 to work.
13:55 owen            Ah, so Zebra has 4 indexes for that one piece of data
13:56 collum          I don't have access to Koha ATM.  I'm looking at http://bit.ly/bPsp6E
13:57 collum          About 20 lines down there's a section on "Date indexing in Koha 3.0 for MARC21"
13:57 owen            That's what I see too collum
13:59 kf              I think range is needed for the syntax in opac 2005 - 2010ß
13:59 kf              ?
13:59 kf              ok, I mean the search for publication date in advanced search
14:01 owen            Changed Bug 4462 to "worksforme." Someone please comment if I've described the issue incorrectly
14:01 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4462 minor, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Sort By Publication Date Does Not Work
14:02 jcamins         Looks clear to me.
14:03 owen            Thanks for you help jcamins
14:03 owen            jcamins++
14:03 jcamins         My pleasure. Maybe some day I'll start _really_ understanding Zebra, and I'll be able to get 033 indexed in the standard installation.
14:04 jcamins         (since no one ever uses 033, that's the field for "date of event, etc." in MARC21)
14:04 owen            How is it used?
14:05 jcamins         We (and the Grolier Club) use it for auction catalogs, so that the date of the auction is searchable.
14:05 owen            Interesting
14:05 jcamins         (I'm checking if our external catalog is up, and if it is, I can send you an example)
14:06 * owen          first worked in an art museum library, so he remembers shelving lots of auction catalogs
14:07 jcamins         (catalog is down... I bet I can take a screenshot, though)
14:14 jcamins         http://bit.ly/a7oL4l
14:31 owen            Why do we have an items.renewals and an issues.renewals?
14:32 jwagner         jcamins, I have a site that's trying to catalog auction catalogs.  I set them up with local note fields for auction date, location, & auction house, then created separate indexes and searches for just those fields to isolate.
14:33 sekjal          owen:  I think the intent is that issues.renewals tracks how many times a book has been renewed for the current loan, and items.renewals tracks how many times it has been renewed in its lifespan
14:34 wizzyrea        good morning
14:35 kf              good morning wizzyrea
14:37 kf              wizzyrea: can I search in the 3.2 manual?
14:37 wizzyrea        you can, with the caveat that the results aren't all that helpful sometimes
14:37 wizzyrea        just use the site search
14:37 wizzyrea        i'm trying to find a way to search just the manual
14:38 kf              ah, I think I used for the wrong thing
14:38 kf              im searching for a description of independantbranches
14:39 kf              but forgot to truncate :)
14:39 kf              oh my, cant think english right now - I seached for the wrong term: independant
14:40 CGI801          enable
14:40 CGI801          sh ip int brief
14:40 kf              wizzyrea: hm, independantbranches does not work, although there is a chapter for that
14:41 CGI801          sh running ip
14:41 CGI801          hostname
14:42 CGI801          do sh  ip int brief
14:42 CGI801          config t
14:42 CGI801          config t
14:42 gmcharlt        CGI801: wrong window?
14:42 CGI801          config
14:42 CGI801          do sh ip intbrief
14:43 CGI801          do sh ip int brief
14:43 wizzyrea        I bet he's wondering why that's not working
14:43 CGI801          logout
14:43 wizzyrea        yep.
14:43 CGI801          logout
14:43 hdl_laptop      CGI801: this is irc
14:43 * wizzyrea      waits for the password
14:43 hdl_laptop      '/quit
14:44 wizzyrea        hdl_laptop: I think he's in the wrong window
14:44 wizzyrea        lol
14:44 wizzyrea        10 bucks they rebooted their computer
14:44 wizzyrea        because the keyboard wasn't working
14:45 CGI407          ok i m quit
14:45 CGI407          by by
14:45 wizzyrea        bye :)
14:54 fredericd       hdl_laptop: perldancer is a very nice framework, I agree :)
14:54 * chris_n       thinks munin should recognize and respond to unix commands :)
14:55 fredericd       format /dev/hda
14:56 chris_n         sudo rm -fr /
14:56 * collum        would be scared to type that in even in IRC.
14:58 wizzyrea        ^^
14:58 * wizzyrea      agrees with collum
14:59 hdl_laptop      fredericd: have you experienced that ?
15:01 hdl_laptop      There have been quite lovely proof of concept about that here.
15:01 fredericd       yes, with Koha.
15:01 fredericd       almost instantaneous reponse time for an OPAC
15:03 pastebot        "kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Web Installer › Step 3 errors" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/4
15:03 kmkale          guyz on a fresh git master install while running web installer I am getting couple of errors on  step 3 inserting data
15:04 kmkale          bug?
15:06 hdl_laptop      same here
15:09 hdl_laptop      see you folks
15:19 gmcharlt        kmkale: yes, bug - please file
15:30 kf              can someone explain the check for dublicates in cataloging? how does it work?
15:31 kf              I have a catalog of questions about koha to answer...
15:32 kmkale          gmcharlt: ok
15:35 jcamins         If I use Stage MARC Records for Import, I don't have to manually reindex the Zebra, right? I mean, the incremental indexing cron job should take care of it?
15:35 jcamins         kf: I've never used that feature. Actually, I haven't really done any cataloging in Koha yet. But I eagerly await the day when I have the opportunity to.
15:36 jwagner         jcamins, yes the indexing cron should take care of things.  However, if I'm importing a whole lot of records I might suspend that cron & do a manual rebuild instead.
15:37 jcamins         jwagner: Thanks. I think I may do that, then, since I'm importing 176k records.
15:37 kmkale          Bug 4466
15:37 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4466 major, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Web Installer › Step 3 errors
15:37 jwagner         jcamins, yes, that's way too many to digest at once :-)
15:38 jcamins         For the computer and me, both!
15:47 jcamins         Is there any danger of bad things happening if I truncate import_records?
15:48 jcamins         I mean, besides my losing the records which failed to import?
15:48 kstanton        @wunder 64506
15:48 munin           kstanton: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 13.3�C (10:48 AM CDT on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising).
15:49 jcamins         Huh. Turns out the problem is that /var is full.
15:49 jcamins         Probably this has been my problem all along.
15:54 kstanton        @seen wizzyrea_away
15:54 munin           kstanton: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> sure thing
15:54 kstanton        @seen wizzyrea
15:54 munin           kstanton: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 56 minutes and 26 seconds ago: * wizzyrea agrees with collum
15:55 kstanton        @seen rhcl
15:55 munin           kstanton: rhcl was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 32 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <rhcl> rhcl likes larsw's drawing. Makes things clear.
15:56 kstanton        RHCL would like to introduce Kelly from Rolling Hills Library. She is our web mistress and will be doing some of our Koha web decoration someday probably.
16:03 jcamins         Does anyone here know off the top of their head how large the /var (or /, if you don't have a separate /var) is in their working Koha installation?
16:08 jwagner         Welcome, Kelly / kstanton
16:11 kstanton        Hi Jane!
16:16 chris_n         hey kstanton
16:16 wizzyrea_away   oh hi
16:16 * jwagner       says "welcome to the madhouse...."
16:16 wizzyrea_away   soryr
16:17 wizzyrea        was at a meeting
16:23 kf              stanton: welcome :)
16:23 kf              kstanton... cant today - a good reason to start my weekend
16:23 kf              bye all :)
16:24 kf              cant type... args
16:33 kmkale          @weather Mumbai
16:33 munin           kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 31.0�C (9:40 PM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
16:39 wizzyrea        kmkale: I was trying to apply your patch for fines rules, and I kept getting invalid patch. I was sad.
16:39 wizzyrea        idk if anyone else had trouble
16:39 wizzyrea        (it could just be me)
16:40 kmkale          wizzyrea: i was just working on that.
16:41 kmkale          i have a new file can I email you and can you please test it?
16:41 wizzyrea        I would be delighted
16:41 wizzyrea        lrea@nekls.org
16:58 kmkale          back
16:59 kmkale          wizzyrea: any luck?
16:59 owen            sekjal: Thanks for the tip re:renewals. That sounds right
17:00 * owen          is trying to figure out why Circulation.pm is querying for 'items.renewalsallowed' on line 2232 of Circulation.pm
17:02 gmcharlt        it isn't
17:02 gmcharlt        see the joins below
17:03 wizzyrea        ok sorry, I got called away
17:03 wizzyrea        one minute
17:03 owen            Sorry gmcharlt I guess it's over my head.
17:04 owen            gmcharlt: How does the join work in relation to "SELECT renewalsallowed FROM items" ?
17:06 gmcharlt        owen: the query expands to SELECT renewalsallowed FROM items LEFT JOIN itemtypes ON items.itype = itemtypes.itemtype  WHERE items.itemnumber = ?
17:06 gmcharlt        (assuming item-level item types are on)
17:06 gmcharlt        since renewalsallowed is a column in itemtypes, not items, that's where te results are pulled from
17:07 owen            I get it, thanks.
17:07 wizzyrea        kmkale: works, some whitespace errors though
17:07 owen            I get confused by what level of specificity is required once you get into joins
17:07 * wizzyrea      is very pleased with that patch
17:08 kmkale          gr8
17:08 owen            The conclusion, however, is that "renewals allowed" from smart-rules.pl isn't used at all in determining the allowed renewal count
17:09 kmkale          I will go after those white space errors and resubmit. Thanks wizzyrea
17:09 owen            Also: Uh oh: itemtypes.pl no longer includes a field for entering "renewals allowed."
17:11 owen            Also: No renewalsallowed column in itemtypes
17:11 gmcharlt        owen: pushed a patch that may be relevent - please try again
17:14 owen            Thanks gmcharlt. Now I can look at Bug 3666 on its own merits
17:14 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3666 normal, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Overriding renewal limit results in negative count in OPAC display
17:15 gmcharlt        owen: so the renewal limit policy seems to be working now?
17:15 owen            I see at least that opac-user.pl is reporting a correct number for number of renewals allowed
17:16 owen            Before no number was appearing at all, hence my hunt
17:17 owen            And I can confirm that changing the limit in smart-rules.pl is reflected by opac-user.pl's output
17:21 jcamins         gmcharlt: Do you know if the many useful scripts in kohaclone/misc are documented?
17:21 gmcharlt        jcamins: some are, some aren't
17:23 jcamins         I'll ask nengard if she could add a note about the existence of the undocumented ones to the manual, even if they're not documented right away.
17:24 nengard         jcamins nope - that's getting into developer documentation - which is a bit over my head
17:24 nengard         what I do have is all of the cron jobs documented
17:24 jcamins         Oh. Hm.
17:24 nengard         http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a9984
17:24 nengard         and if the cron had perl documentation I included that as well
17:25 nengard         if not it's not listed
17:25 jcamins         Oh well. It was a thought.
17:25 jcamins         Perhaps one day I'll have time to document the many useful scripts in kohaclone/misc.
17:26 jcamins         :)
17:27 gmcharlt        jcamins: feel free to pick just one for now :)
17:27 jcamins         Yes, I'd certainly only start with one.
17:27 jcamins         nengard: Perhaps this would be a good use for the wiki?
17:27 nengard         that's what the developers said :)
17:27 nengard         that the wiki was for developer documentation
17:28 nengard         if you do start writing something - put it on wiki.koha-community.org - not the old site
17:30 jcamins         Is there some structure I should be following? I believe you were nominated to decide on a structure for the wiki, and I don't want to put pages in the wrong place or anything.
17:37 kmkale          wizzyrea: I have now got the patch to a stage where it applies to current head without any errors
17:38 kmkale          should I email it again or just add it as anather attachement to the bug page?
17:38 kmkale          gmcharlt?
17:43 gmcharlt        kmkale: both
17:43 kmkale          ok
17:43 gmcharlt        jcamins: structure can be cleaned up later
17:43 kmkale          here goes ( with fingers crossed )
17:45 nengard         jcamins - ditto what gmcharlt said
17:45 nengard         it's easy with mediawiki to add categories  for structure without having to move pages
17:46 nengard         so we can do it whenever
17:53 wizzyrea        bugs.k-c.org... still waiting for user registrations?
17:53 wizzyrea        i.e. use the old bugs?
17:54 owen            I was wondering about that... Couldn't we just register those email addresses with random passwords and let them claim them later and do a password-reset?
17:54 wizzyrea        guess we need to wait for chris to get up
17:54 wizzyrea        but it's Sat. for him
17:57 nengard         he said to keep using the old bugs site
17:57 nengard         and that he'd call a freeze next week sometime
17:57 nengard         so he can move everything
17:57 wizzyrea        right, I didn't know if that had changed. Oh, I missed that part
17:57 wizzyrea        re: the freeze
17:57 wizzyrea        cool beans then
17:58 wizzyrea        bug 3134 is in LEK I think. :/
17:58 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once
17:59 * owen          missed the freeze part too.
17:59 wizzyrea        the fix
17:59 wizzyrea        i mean
18:09 kmkale          gmcharlt: can I ask a newb query regarding git?
18:09 gmcharlt        sure
18:10 kmkale          I have created and sent a patch now but its on hold as there is a feature freeze, in the meanwhile someone changes one of the files to which the patch applies, so when time come to apply / add the patch it will fail
18:11 kmkale          is the abive correct?
18:11 gmcharlt        not necessarily
18:12 gmcharlt        git can merge many types of changes
18:12 * kmkale        goes to readup on git merge
18:19 kmkale          is it possible to reverse a commit? or to reverse a patch applied with git apply?
18:20 jdavidb         several ways to do that, depending.
18:20 kmkale          depending on what?
18:21 jdavidb         if it's the most recent commit or not, and whether or not you feel it's safe to rewrite history.
18:22 jdavidb         (once you've pushed a branch somewhere, is better to assume it's not safe to rewrite history; it'll mess things up for others who might use the pushed branch.)
18:22 JeremyLC        Has anyone, other than LibLime, implemented the hourly circulation RFC yet?
18:23 kmkale          for someone like me whos not pushing any branch
18:23 kmkale          ?
18:23 jdavidb         If you've done git apply, but not git commit, you can just git checkout <branchname> and your changes will be un-done.
18:23 kmkale          meaning start a new branch?
18:23 jdavidb         If you've committed it, and it's the top commit, and you don't mind rewriting your local history, git reset --hard HEAD^ will un-do it.
18:24 jdavidb         no; git checkout the branchname you're on; it should toss your changes.
18:24 jdavidb         (also, could do git checkout HEAD to get to that spot, too)
18:24 jdavidb         if it's not the top commit, git revert <commit-hash> is probably the best way to go.
18:24 kmkale          huh? i am already in that branch right? it still tosses my changes?
18:25 jdavidb         git checkout HEAD will toss uncommitted changes to the current branch, yes.
18:25 kmkale          i am getting a picture of a tape reel. am i right?
18:26 jdavidb         (I use a text-only client; no pics when I do it, so I don't know that,.)
18:26 kmkale          :)
18:26 * jdavidb       is an old coot who is more comfortable in a character-cell terminal than a GUI.
18:26 kmkale          meaning we rewind to a spot to reverse a commit and replay HEAD from there on
18:26 kmkale          right?
18:27 jdavidb         that's what it should do--go straight to HEAD, toss everything uncommited to HEAD.
18:27 kmkale          where do I see <commit-hash> ?
18:27 wizzyrea        kmkale: I"m looking at your fines payment printing thing
18:27 wizzyrea        and I don't think you have the option in there to print manual invoices
18:27 jdavidb         That's the 32-character hexadecimal identifier for the commit; every commit has one.  I don't know where you'll see that on your client.
18:27 wizzyrea        erm credits
18:28 wizzyrea        http://screencast.com/t/MDM4MzE2N
18:28 kmkale          wizzyrea: not yet
18:28 sekjal          JeremyLC:  ByWater Solutions is working on hourly loans
18:28 wizzyrea        ok cool, just wanted to make sure that was on your list of to-do's :)
18:28 kmkale          yup
18:28 wizzyrea        yay!
18:28 JeremyLC        sekjal: Oh? Are they going to contribute it back to the project?
18:29 sekjal          JeremyLC: of course we are!
18:29 JeremyLC        sekjal: How far along are they?
18:29 wizzyrea        afaik everything bywater does comes back
18:29 JeremyLC        er, you then
18:29 sekjal          not far enough along to have much to brag about
18:29 JeremyLC        sekjal: that is an essential feature for us, and we could implement it (and contribute it back) ourselves, but we don't need to duplicate work
18:30 sekjal          but we're aiming to have it done by summers end
18:30 wizzyrea        it would also be cool to be able to print an invoice slip
18:30 kmkale          jdavidb: how do I see my commits?
18:30 JeremyLC        sekjal: any idea when a usable release would be available?
18:30 owen            kmkale: git log
18:30 jdavidb         Again, you're using a client I've never seen, so I don't know.  "git log" gives a list of them, for me.
18:30 kmkale          wizzyrea: you mean manual invoice? or just any ?
18:30 wizzyrea        any invoice
18:30 sekjal          JeremyLC: I can't give you a date on that, but I can keep you posted
18:31 * wizzyrea      notes that she should look at what you did and spring off of it to help out with some of this stuff.
18:31 kmkale          jdavidb : client? whats that? I am running all these commands in a terminal
18:31 kmkale          wizzyrea: yes thats easy
18:32 kmkale          planning to put same print link in fron of invoices too
18:32 JeremyLC        sekjal: Okay
18:32 kmkale          owen: thanks
18:32 wizzyrea        kmkale: brilliant!
18:33 kmkale          past midnight. working tomorrow. so good night all
18:34 JeremyLC        sekjal: could we possibly discuss this via EMail too? (JeremyC@uta.edu)
18:34 sekjal          JeremyLC: of course
18:35 sekjal          I've got you down in my contacts list, with a note to keep you posted
18:35 JeremyLC        thanks
18:36 sekjal          yeah, hourly loans really need doing.  I think it's a blocker for a lot of libraries, particularly academic
18:37 owen            I think hourly loans will also be useful for children's comic book collections: "I told you you could look at that for a minute and it's been ONE MINUTE!"
18:39 owen            Not that children collect comic books anymore.
18:39 owen            "I told you you could look at my Edison Records wax cylinder for a minute and it's been ONE MINUTE."
18:41 sekjal          owen: lol
18:44 wizzyrea        somebody... anybody... want to reply to slef's concerns re: the vendor list?
18:45 owen            What conversation is this?
18:45 wizzyrea        on the main list
18:45 wizzyrea        he wants the linkback clause and to exclude companies that behave poorly
18:46 owen            Is that from today? I don't see it
18:46 wizzyrea        sent at 1:18
18:48 nengard         i also don't see it on the list...
18:49 nengard         was it sent to just you?
18:49 wizzyrea        no, it says to: Me CC: Koha list
18:49 collum          It's not in my inbox or trash.
18:49 wizzyrea        i forwarded it to you owen
18:49 owen            could be that fancy fast Google they have in KS. Special just for them.
18:49 wizzyrea        well that is just odd
18:49 wizzyrea        pbbt
18:50 collum          Maybe google has blocked off the US except for KS. :)
18:50 nengard         she got it cause it went to her and to the list
18:50 nengard         it just didn't make it to the list yet
18:51 wizzyrea        must be making its way through the list process now
18:51 owen            "Can't locate HTML/Scrubber.pm in @INC" ?
18:51 wizzyrea        !?
18:51 owen            I get that when I go to opac-tags.pl
18:53 nengard         wizzyrea two of the bugs i submitted this morning still haven't made it to the bugs mailing list
18:53 wizzyrea        hmmmm
18:53 nengard         sounds to me like the koha domains are a bit choked up
18:53 nengard         email wise
18:53 wizzyrea        perhaps we should ping the biblibre folk
18:53 wizzyrea        yea, I haven't gotten anything since 9:55
18:54 wizzyrea        this morning
18:54 wizzyrea        (except this email from MJ, but it was to me also, as nengard pointed out)
18:54 owen            Ditto on my bug activity
18:55 * chris_n       confirms no list mail
18:56 chris           which list? koha-devel?
18:56 nengard         bugs
18:56 nengard         and koha
18:56 chris_n         any
18:56 chris           koha is totally different to the others
18:56 chris_n         7:41am edt is the last from koha here
18:56 chris           thats koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
18:57 chris           and there is nothing in the queue there
18:57 nengard         hmmm - what about the email wizzy got but none of us did?
18:57 chris_n         7:45 for the dev list
18:57 wizzyrea        it was to me
18:57 wizzyrea        directly
18:57 wizzyrea        + the list
18:57 nengard         which list?
18:57 wizzyrea        main koha
18:57 chris_n         bugs has been working for me, however
18:57 nengard         chris - what about that one?
18:57 chris           not in the queue
18:58 wizzyrea        oooo eeee oooo
18:58 chris           its probably in a greylist
18:58 nengard         chris_n i submitted 2 bugs this AM and didn't get the emails- but did get other emails
18:58 wizzyrea        hm
18:58 wizzyrea        patches@koha.org or koha-patches@lists.koha.org
18:58 chris_n         nengard: sorry, those were addressed to me rather than the bug list
18:59 chris_n         wizzyrea: last patch came through here ~1:37 am local time
18:59 chris_n         but then, Fridays are always slow
19:06 * wizzyrea      is merely a user of the lists, not an admin
19:06 wizzyrea        but that's weird that there's nothign in the queue, chris. I'm sure slef meant for that message to go to the list
19:10 owen            Anyone have a suggestion for my Scrubber.pm problem?
19:10 owen            "Can't locate HTML/Scrubber.pm in @INC" ?
19:10 owen            am I missing a dependency?
19:11 gmcharlt        owen: yes
19:11 gmcharlt        sudo apt-get install libhtml-scrubber-perl
19:12 * owen          wonders if that could have gotten uninstalled when he upgraded
19:13 chris_n         wizzyrea: is the list email addr spelled wrong by chance?
19:14 chris           i sent one koha@lists ... nothing so far .. but it didnt bounce .. it just hasnt hit the list yet so maybe there is a big queue of mail
19:16 * owen          heading home
19:16 owen            Have a good weekend all
19:18 jcamins         chris: You're RM for 3.4, right?
19:19 chris           yep
19:21 jcamins         I have a question for you... what would it take to get the fix for Bug 4367 into 3.4?
19:21 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4367 normal, P5, ---, camins@numismatics.org, ASSIGNED, shelfbrowser should take collection code into consideration
19:22 jcamins         (i.e. does it need to be more general/use a syspref, etc.?)
19:23 chris           lemme look
19:24 chris           yes would need a syspref
19:25 chris           current behaviour should be the default, but if you toggle the syspref then it can work the way libraries with no callnumbers would like
19:25 jcamins         Okay. That makes sense. We'll look into adding a syspref, then.
19:25 chris           cool
19:27 jcamins         We also need to figure out how to make the enhancement for Bug 4421 general, but I don't think that's something I'm going to worry about for a bit yet.
19:27 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4421 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Should be possible to display location for bibs w/o items
19:43 wizzyrea        chris_n: no, it doesn't look like the list addy is wrong
21:07 brendan         @roulette
21:07 munin           brendan: *click*
21:08 sekjal          @roulette
21:08 munin           *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
21:09 * munin         reloads and spins the chambers.
21:09 sekjal          well that doesn't bode well
21:10 brendan         heh
21:11 brendan         @eightball will 3.2 get out the door?
21:11 munin           brendan: Maybe...
21:13 wizzyrea        @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 2 months?
21:13 munin           wizzyrea: Maybe...
21:13 wizzyrea        @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 3 months?
21:13 munin           wizzyrea: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
21:13 wizzyrea        @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 4 months?
21:13 munin           wizzyrea: What are you asking me for?
21:13 wizzyrea        right. we should ask gmcharlt ;)
21:14 brendan         I feel that gmcharlt's answers would be the same
21:14 brendan         @eightball gmcharlt is distracted by shiny-things?
21:14 munin           brendan: Obviously.
21:14 wizzyrea        awwwww that's not fair
21:14 brendan         well there you go
21:14 wizzyrea        no abusing the RM with his own bot...
21:15 brendan         sorry gmcharlt
21:15 brendan         gmcharlt++
21:15 wizzyrea        :D
21:15 wizzyrea        well, as a general rule, it's better not to abuse the RM
21:16 brendan         how you doing wizzyrea
21:16 wizzyrea        I'm doing well :)
21:16 wizzyrea        how about you?
21:16 brendan         @eightball is wizzyrea distracted by shiny-things?
21:16 munin           brendan: Yes!
21:16 brendan         I'm well
21:16 gmcharlt        @eightball is munin in need of retraining?
21:16 munin           gmcharlt: Unlikely.
21:16 brendan         heh
21:17 wizzyrea        oh snap, you got told
21:17 gmcharlt        @eightball will brendan help by sending patches for blockers?
21:17 munin           gmcharlt: No clue.
21:17 gmcharlt        hmm
21:18 brendan         ouch munin
21:26 wizzyrea        huh. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/0C0mUe2JaHA/the-state-of-web-development-2010-web-directions
22:06 sekjal          @eightball will I make it as far as Utica tonight?
22:06 munin           sekjal: Naturally.
22:06 sekjal          oh, thanks, munin.  that's reassuring
22:30 Genji           greetings all
22:30 Genji           whats the development guide link?
22:31 Genji           and how do i rebase up to a certain commit?
23:27 mason           git reset --hard $COMMIT
23:27 mason           then do the rebase....
23:28 mason           thats what i would do