Time Nick Message 00:02 chris_n Business::PayPal 00:02 chris be nice to do something like the sms solution 00:02 chris so that ppl could chose one that works for their locale 00:03 chris but paypal would be a darn good start 00:03 chris_n maybe a module to interface with processor modules and a syspref to select which processor 00:04 chris *nod* 00:05 * chris_n pushes it into the todo buffer 00:49 * chris_n thinks that #koha provides the fastest responses to questions of any irc channel he has visited yet 00:50 chris_n #koha++ 00:51 brendan agreed 00:51 brendan #koha++ 00:52 brendan so here's a question on the item detail page under the edit button - what does attach an item do? 00:59 * gmcharlt shakes first at YAML::XS for not having the courtesy to package itself for lenny ;) 01:02 gmcharlt brendan: transfers a different item attached to another bib 01:02 chris_n brendan: that is for the future C4::Quantum::Storage module 01:02 chris_n which allows you to store the actual item itself in the database 01:02 gmcharlt i.e., go to target bib, choose 'attach item', enter barcode of the item you want to relink to that bib 01:02 brendan yeah no worries chris_n - thanks gmcharlt 01:03 * brendan was being cute 01:03 brendan was almost thinking MFHD 01:04 * chris_n has been hammering on samba tooooo long 01:55 chris http://litablog.org/2010/05/lita-preconferences-available-at-ala-annual/ 01:55 chris glad brenda chawner will be there 03:31 brendan chris I think we are a go for tutorial or at least discussion on nginx in IRC channel at some point 03:32 chris sweet 03:32 Amit_G heya all 03:32 brendan we've seemed to get enough interest 03:32 Amit_G heya chris, brendan 03:32 brendan hiya Amit_g 03:36 chris_n hi Amit_g 03:36 Amit_G heya chris_n 03:38 brendan chris_n what's the goal of C4::Quantum::Storage 03:39 brendan heh 03:43 chris_n brendan: put simply, such a module would utilize the basic concepts of quantum mechanics along with principles of statistical mechanics as applied to non-equalibrium problems and apply them in such a way as to take advantage of nanoscale current flow thereby allowing physical items to be stored in the data base rather than on costly and space consuming stacks in the traditional manner. 03:44 brendan HA excellent answer 03:44 brendan heh 03:44 chris_n I'm sure such a feature would make many librarians very happy :) 03:44 brendan :) 03:45 chris_n just think, you could carry your books home with you in your library card 03:47 brendan shudders at the nano-weight 03:50 Amit_G @wunder New Delih 03:50 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Orleans Lakefront, Louisiana is 24.0�C (9:53 PM CDT on May 06, 2010). 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Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Friday... 04:09 chris_n @wunder 28334 04:09 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 24.0�C (12:03 AM EDT on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 04:11 chris_n g'night #koha 04:13 brendan night dude 05:03 Amit_G heya jransom, kmkale 05:03 kmkale Good Morning all :) 05:03 kmkale hi amit 05:12 cait good morning #koha 06:32 kf good morning #koha 06:43 kf fredericd: around? 07:09 kf pootle is really slow 07:20 kf chris: around? 07:29 hdl_laptop hi 07:34 kf hi hdl_laptop 07:35 hdl_laptop hi kf 07:35 kmkale hi hdl_laptop kf 07:40 kmkale ok is perl 5.10.0 or later a *requirement* for 3.2 and master? 07:54 kf oh pootle 09:01 CGI388 hi, does anybody know if koha is good to manage thousands items of the same book ? 09:02 kf one record with thousands of items? 09:02 kf I think there is a limit right now 09:03 kf http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/cataloging/#6 09:04 Amit_G heya kf 09:04 magnus and that is not a limit imposed by koha, but by the ISO-2709 format used by koha 09:08 CGI388 ok, understood, thanks! 09:17 kf hi Amit_G 10:30 chris_n g'morning 10:38 kf hi chris_n 11:47 jdavidb @karma jdavidb 11:47 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20. 11:47 jdavidb mornin', #koha 11:48 * jdavidb does a little happy dance, having noticed his karma finally hit twenty. 11:53 * braedon|home1 congratulates jdavidb 11:53 jwagner @karma jwagner 11:53 munin jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26. 12:00 jdavidb jwagner++ 12:00 * jwagner grins 12:01 * jdavidb like handling jwagner's issues with code; screenshots and detailed descriptions land in my inbox, as opposed to panic attacks screaming "it doesn't work!" with no other detail. 12:03 jwagner Oh, I can panic with the best of them.... 12:26 kf jdavidb++ ;) 12:26 jdavidb thanks, kf! :) 12:26 kf @karma cait 12:26 munin kf: Karma for "cait" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 12:26 kf @karma kf 12:26 munin kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. 12:27 kf hm, have to work on that :) 12:28 jdavidb @karma 12:28 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (133), "chris" (126), and "owen" (102). Lowest karma: "<!" (-55), "failed" (-36), and "-" (-23). You (jdavidb) are ranked 17 out of 806. 12:29 owen @karma <! 12:29 munin owen: Karma for "<!" has been increased 1 time and decreased 56 times for a total karma of -55. 12:29 gmcharlt poor punctuation 12:29 brendan morning 12:29 jdavidb howdy, brendan; you're up early! 12:29 brendan :) 12:30 braedon ..so who has been entering comment tags? 12:30 owen <!-- TMPL_IF -->Quoting templates<!-- /TMPL_IF--> 12:30 owen @karma <! 12:30 munin owen: Karma for "<!" has been increased 1 time and decreased 57 times for a total karma of -56. 12:30 braedon ahh 12:31 braedon i see 12:55 kmkale good evening everybody 12:55 * braedon waves 12:56 braedon good evening to you indeed 12:56 kmkale @weather Mumbai 12:56 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (5:40 PM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 12:57 kmkale hi braedon 13:07 jdavidb hi, kmkale! :) 13:13 kmkale hi jdavidb 13:13 kmkale I really got stuck yesterday trying to install either 3.2 or master on a machine with 5.8.8 13:14 kmkale had weird make test errors 13:14 kmkale finally chris_n suggested it must be perl and I uograded to 5.10.0 and lo all is well again 13:14 kmkale :) 13:17 kmkale but I cant install DBD::SQLite2 on this machine anywhich way I try. How important is having this module? 13:19 owen I know I've heard about Bug 4462 before, but I'm not sure I remember correctly what the potential problem is 13:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4462 minor, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Sort By Publication Date Does Not Work 13:19 owen Isn't Zebra looking at one of the 00 tags for the date on which to sort? 13:19 owen ...rather than, for instance, trying to parse out a date from 260? 13:22 chris_n kmkale: DBD::SQLite2 is not necessary unless you use the offline circ tool 13:22 chris_n it won't install for me either 13:22 kmkale ok. cool. 13:23 chris_n however, it would be interesting to see if someone else can confirm the apparent 5.10 requirement for 3.2alpha2 13:23 chris_n I don't think that is an intended "feature" 13:23 kmkale yes. but I tried very hard as you know. 13:24 kmkale i could install 3.0.0 to 3.0.5 but not 3.2alpha2 or master 13:24 kmkale may be that make test paste might have given you a clue? 13:27 jcamins owen: I have no idea where the sorting is, but I suspect the answer is "yes." Of course, that means that the text in the sort box is misleading. 13:28 kf why misleading? 13:29 kf its the publication date, standardized for sorting 13:30 jcamins Because if you look in record.abs, for some reason 260c is considered the copyright date (and, yes, I know _that_ is actually the misleading bit). 13:30 jcamins (it just depends whether you're the librarian or the developer) 13:30 jcamins :) 13:31 owen What does record.abs say about publication date? 13:32 jcamins 008/07-10 13:33 owen "080605s2008 ctua e b 001 0 eng d" 13:33 owen Does that correctly work out to "2008" ? 13:33 owen I guess if you start from zero 13:33 jcamins I would argue that the sorting has the desired behavior, it's just confusing to have 'copydate' separate. 13:34 jcamins Hm... does Zebra start from zero? 13:34 jcamins (checking now) 13:35 jcamins Yep. 13:36 jcamins This reminds me that we're still missing dates in tens of thousands of records. 13:37 owen My test seems to show correct sorting based on 008/07-10. It can look out of order if you judge by the copyright date 13:37 jcamins Yeah. I looked at the example in the bug report, and the 008/07-10 isn't set for the records at the top. 13:38 jcamins (or, rather, it's 9999) 13:39 owen jcamins: Where did you look to find that information about record.abs? 13:40 jcamins etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs 13:41 jcamins The whole handling of dates in Zebra is a little funny. 13:41 jcamins (that is, the current configuration, not the way Zebra handles dates) 13:44 owen jcamins: So this section of record.abs on the line starting "melm 008" 13:44 owen pubdate:w:range(data,7,4),pubdate:n:range(data,7,4),pubdate:y:range(data,7,4),pubdate:s:range(data,7,4),pl:w:range(data,15,3) 13:44 owen ? 13:45 jcamins Right. 13:45 jcamins And the copydate line starts "melm 260$c" 13:46 owen I assume the "7,4" means start at position 7 and go 4 characters, but what do the "[letter]:range" parts mean? 13:46 owen w, n, y, s? 13:47 jcamins The letters are the type of indexing. I think I have a bookmark to the explanation, one moment. 13:49 jcamins http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/fields-and-charsets.html 13:50 jcamins So, see etc/zebradb/etec/default.idx 13:50 jcamins *etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx 13:52 owen jcamins: I don't understand what you're pointing out 13:53 jcamins Sorry. If you look in etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx, it explains what each index is. 13:53 collum word, num, year, sort? 13:53 jcamins So it would seem. 13:55 jcamins I admit I don't entirely understand that bit. I'm still shocked that I was able to get our custom index on 033 to work. 13:55 owen Ah, so Zebra has 4 indexes for that one piece of data 13:56 collum I don't have access to Koha ATM. I'm looking at http://bit.ly/bPsp6E 13:57 collum About 20 lines down there's a section on "Date indexing in Koha 3.0 for MARC21" 13:57 owen That's what I see too collum 13:59 kf I think range is needed for the syntax in opac 2005 - 2010ß 13:59 kf ? 13:59 kf ok, I mean the search for publication date in advanced search 14:01 owen Changed Bug 4462 to "worksforme." Someone please comment if I've described the issue incorrectly 14:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4462 minor, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Sort By Publication Date Does Not Work 14:02 jcamins Looks clear to me. 14:03 owen Thanks for you help jcamins 14:03 owen jcamins++ 14:03 jcamins My pleasure. Maybe some day I'll start _really_ understanding Zebra, and I'll be able to get 033 indexed in the standard installation. 14:04 jcamins (since no one ever uses 033, that's the field for "date of event, etc." in MARC21) 14:04 owen How is it used? 14:05 jcamins We (and the Grolier Club) use it for auction catalogs, so that the date of the auction is searchable. 14:05 owen Interesting 14:05 jcamins (I'm checking if our external catalog is up, and if it is, I can send you an example) 14:06 * owen first worked in an art museum library, so he remembers shelving lots of auction catalogs 14:07 jcamins (catalog is down... I bet I can take a screenshot, though) 14:14 jcamins http://bit.ly/a7oL4l 14:31 owen Why do we have an items.renewals and an issues.renewals? 14:32 jwagner jcamins, I have a site that's trying to catalog auction catalogs. I set them up with local note fields for auction date, location, & auction house, then created separate indexes and searches for just those fields to isolate. 14:33 sekjal owen: I think the intent is that issues.renewals tracks how many times a book has been renewed for the current loan, and items.renewals tracks how many times it has been renewed in its lifespan 14:34 wizzyrea good morning 14:35 kf good morning wizzyrea 14:37 kf wizzyrea: can I search in the 3.2 manual? 14:37 wizzyrea you can, with the caveat that the results aren't all that helpful sometimes 14:37 wizzyrea just use the site search 14:37 wizzyrea i'm trying to find a way to search just the manual 14:38 kf ah, I think I used for the wrong thing 14:38 kf im searching for a description of independantbranches 14:39 kf but forgot to truncate :) 14:39 kf oh my, cant think english right now - I seached for the wrong term: independant 14:40 CGI801 enable 14:40 CGI801 sh ip int brief 14:40 kf wizzyrea: hm, independantbranches does not work, although there is a chapter for that 14:41 CGI801 sh running ip 14:41 CGI801 hostname 14:42 CGI801 do sh ip int brief 14:42 CGI801 config t 14:42 CGI801 config t 14:42 gmcharlt CGI801: wrong window? 14:42 CGI801 config 14:42 CGI801 do sh ip intbrief 14:43 CGI801 do sh ip int brief 14:43 wizzyrea I bet he's wondering why that's not working 14:43 CGI801 logout 14:43 wizzyrea yep. 14:43 CGI801 logout 14:43 hdl_laptop CGI801: this is irc 14:43 * wizzyrea waits for the password 14:43 hdl_laptop '/quit 14:44 wizzyrea hdl_laptop: I think he's in the wrong window 14:44 wizzyrea lol 14:44 wizzyrea 10 bucks they rebooted their computer 14:44 wizzyrea because the keyboard wasn't working 14:45 CGI407 ok i m quit 14:45 CGI407 by by 14:45 wizzyrea bye :) 14:54 fredericd hdl_laptop: perldancer is a very nice framework, I agree :) 14:54 * chris_n thinks munin should recognize and respond to unix commands :) 14:55 fredericd format /dev/hda 14:56 chris_n sudo rm -fr / 14:56 * collum would be scared to type that in even in IRC. 14:58 wizzyrea ^^ 14:58 * wizzyrea agrees with collum 14:59 hdl_laptop fredericd: have you experienced that ? 15:01 hdl_laptop There have been quite lovely proof of concept about that here. 15:01 fredericd yes, with Koha. 15:01 fredericd almost instantaneous reponse time for an OPAC 15:03 pastebot "kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Web Installer › Step 3 errors" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/4 15:03 kmkale guyz on a fresh git master install while running web installer I am getting couple of errors on step 3 inserting data 15:04 kmkale bug? 15:06 hdl_laptop same here 15:09 hdl_laptop see you folks 15:19 gmcharlt kmkale: yes, bug - please file 15:30 kf can someone explain the check for dublicates in cataloging? how does it work? 15:31 kf I have a catalog of questions about koha to answer... 15:32 kmkale gmcharlt: ok 15:35 jcamins If I use Stage MARC Records for Import, I don't have to manually reindex the Zebra, right? I mean, the incremental indexing cron job should take care of it? 15:35 jcamins kf: I've never used that feature. Actually, I haven't really done any cataloging in Koha yet. But I eagerly await the day when I have the opportunity to. 15:36 jwagner jcamins, yes the indexing cron should take care of things. However, if I'm importing a whole lot of records I might suspend that cron & do a manual rebuild instead. 15:37 jcamins jwagner: Thanks. I think I may do that, then, since I'm importing 176k records. 15:37 kmkale Bug 4466 15:37 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4466 major, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Web Installer › Step 3 errors 15:37 jwagner jcamins, yes, that's way too many to digest at once :-) 15:38 jcamins For the computer and me, both! 15:47 jcamins Is there any danger of bad things happening if I truncate import_records? 15:48 jcamins I mean, besides my losing the records which failed to import? 15:48 kstanton @wunder 64506 15:48 munin kstanton: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 13.3�C (10:48 AM CDT on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising). 15:49 jcamins Huh. Turns out the problem is that /var is full. 15:49 jcamins Probably this has been my problem all along. 15:54 kstanton @seen wizzyrea_away 15:54 munin kstanton: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> sure thing 15:54 kstanton @seen wizzyrea 15:54 munin kstanton: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 56 minutes and 26 seconds ago: * wizzyrea agrees with collum 15:55 kstanton @seen rhcl 15:55 munin kstanton: rhcl was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 32 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <rhcl> rhcl likes larsw's drawing. Makes things clear. 15:56 kstanton RHCL would like to introduce Kelly from Rolling Hills Library. She is our web mistress and will be doing some of our Koha web decoration someday probably. 16:03 jcamins Does anyone here know off the top of their head how large the /var (or /, if you don't have a separate /var) is in their working Koha installation? 16:08 jwagner Welcome, Kelly / kstanton 16:11 kstanton Hi Jane! 16:16 chris_n hey kstanton 16:16 wizzyrea_away oh hi 16:16 * jwagner says "welcome to the madhouse...." 16:16 wizzyrea_away soryr 16:17 wizzyrea was at a meeting 16:23 kf stanton: welcome :) 16:23 kf kstanton... cant today - a good reason to start my weekend 16:23 kf bye all :) 16:24 kf cant type... args 16:33 kmkale @weather Mumbai 16:33 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 31.0�C (9:40 PM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 16:39 wizzyrea kmkale: I was trying to apply your patch for fines rules, and I kept getting invalid patch. I was sad. 16:39 wizzyrea idk if anyone else had trouble 16:39 wizzyrea (it could just be me) 16:40 kmkale wizzyrea: i was just working on that. 16:41 kmkale i have a new file can I email you and can you please test it? 16:41 wizzyrea I would be delighted 16:41 wizzyrea lrea@nekls.org 16:58 kmkale back 16:59 kmkale wizzyrea: any luck? 16:59 owen sekjal: Thanks for the tip re:renewals. That sounds right 17:00 * owen is trying to figure out why Circulation.pm is querying for 'items.renewalsallowed' on line 2232 of Circulation.pm 17:02 gmcharlt it isn't 17:02 gmcharlt see the joins below 17:03 wizzyrea ok sorry, I got called away 17:03 wizzyrea one minute 17:03 owen Sorry gmcharlt I guess it's over my head. 17:04 owen gmcharlt: How does the join work in relation to "SELECT renewalsallowed FROM items" ? 17:06 gmcharlt owen: the query expands to SELECT renewalsallowed FROM items LEFT JOIN itemtypes ON items.itype = itemtypes.itemtype WHERE items.itemnumber = ? 17:06 gmcharlt (assuming item-level item types are on) 17:06 gmcharlt since renewalsallowed is a column in itemtypes, not items, that's where te results are pulled from 17:07 owen I get it, thanks. 17:07 wizzyrea kmkale: works, some whitespace errors though 17:07 owen I get confused by what level of specificity is required once you get into joins 17:07 * wizzyrea is very pleased with that patch 17:08 kmkale gr8 17:08 owen The conclusion, however, is that "renewals allowed" from smart-rules.pl isn't used at all in determining the allowed renewal count 17:09 kmkale I will go after those white space errors and resubmit. Thanks wizzyrea 17:09 owen Also: Uh oh: itemtypes.pl no longer includes a field for entering "renewals allowed." 17:11 owen Also: No renewalsallowed column in itemtypes 17:11 gmcharlt owen: pushed a patch that may be relevent - please try again 17:14 owen Thanks gmcharlt. Now I can look at Bug 3666 on its own merits 17:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3666 normal, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Overriding renewal limit results in negative count in OPAC display 17:15 gmcharlt owen: so the renewal limit policy seems to be working now? 17:15 owen I see at least that opac-user.pl is reporting a correct number for number of renewals allowed 17:16 owen Before no number was appearing at all, hence my hunt 17:17 owen And I can confirm that changing the limit in smart-rules.pl is reflected by opac-user.pl's output 17:21 jcamins gmcharlt: Do you know if the many useful scripts in kohaclone/misc are documented? 17:21 gmcharlt jcamins: some are, some aren't 17:23 jcamins I'll ask nengard if she could add a note about the existence of the undocumented ones to the manual, even if they're not documented right away. 17:24 nengard jcamins nope - that's getting into developer documentation - which is a bit over my head 17:24 nengard what I do have is all of the cron jobs documented 17:24 jcamins Oh. Hm. 17:24 nengard http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a9984 17:24 nengard and if the cron had perl documentation I included that as well 17:25 nengard if not it's not listed 17:25 jcamins Oh well. It was a thought. 17:25 jcamins Perhaps one day I'll have time to document the many useful scripts in kohaclone/misc. 17:26 jcamins :) 17:27 gmcharlt jcamins: feel free to pick just one for now :) 17:27 jcamins Yes, I'd certainly only start with one. 17:27 jcamins nengard: Perhaps this would be a good use for the wiki? 17:27 nengard that's what the developers said :) 17:27 nengard that the wiki was for developer documentation 17:28 nengard if you do start writing something - put it on wiki.koha-community.org - not the old site 17:30 jcamins Is there some structure I should be following? I believe you were nominated to decide on a structure for the wiki, and I don't want to put pages in the wrong place or anything. 17:37 kmkale wizzyrea: I have now got the patch to a stage where it applies to current head without any errors 17:38 kmkale should I email it again or just add it as anather attachement to the bug page? 17:38 kmkale gmcharlt? 17:43 gmcharlt kmkale: both 17:43 kmkale ok 17:43 gmcharlt jcamins: structure can be cleaned up later 17:43 kmkale here goes ( with fingers crossed ) 17:45 nengard jcamins - ditto what gmcharlt said 17:45 nengard it's easy with mediawiki to add categories for structure without having to move pages 17:46 nengard so we can do it whenever 17:53 wizzyrea bugs.k-c.org... still waiting for user registrations? 17:53 wizzyrea i.e. use the old bugs? 17:54 owen I was wondering about that... Couldn't we just register those email addresses with random passwords and let them claim them later and do a password-reset? 17:54 wizzyrea guess we need to wait for chris to get up 17:54 wizzyrea but it's Sat. for him 17:57 nengard he said to keep using the old bugs site 17:57 nengard and that he'd call a freeze next week sometime 17:57 nengard so he can move everything 17:57 wizzyrea right, I didn't know if that had changed. Oh, I missed that part 17:57 wizzyrea re: the freeze 17:57 wizzyrea cool beans then 17:58 wizzyrea bug 3134 is in LEK I think. :/ 17:58 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once 17:59 * owen missed the freeze part too. 17:59 wizzyrea the fix 17:59 wizzyrea i mean 18:09 kmkale gmcharlt: can I ask a newb query regarding git? 18:09 gmcharlt sure 18:10 kmkale I have created and sent a patch now but its on hold as there is a feature freeze, in the meanwhile someone changes one of the files to which the patch applies, so when time come to apply / add the patch it will fail 18:11 kmkale is the abive correct? 18:11 gmcharlt not necessarily 18:12 gmcharlt git can merge many types of changes 18:12 * kmkale goes to readup on git merge 18:19 kmkale is it possible to reverse a commit? or to reverse a patch applied with git apply? 18:20 jdavidb several ways to do that, depending. 18:20 kmkale depending on what? 18:21 jdavidb if it's the most recent commit or not, and whether or not you feel it's safe to rewrite history. 18:22 jdavidb (once you've pushed a branch somewhere, is better to assume it's not safe to rewrite history; it'll mess things up for others who might use the pushed branch.) 18:22 JeremyLC Has anyone, other than LibLime, implemented the hourly circulation RFC yet? 18:23 kmkale for someone like me whos not pushing any branch 18:23 kmkale ? 18:23 jdavidb If you've done git apply, but not git commit, you can just git checkout <branchname> and your changes will be un-done. 18:23 kmkale meaning start a new branch? 18:23 jdavidb If you've committed it, and it's the top commit, and you don't mind rewriting your local history, git reset --hard HEAD^ will un-do it. 18:24 jdavidb no; git checkout the branchname you're on; it should toss your changes. 18:24 jdavidb (also, could do git checkout HEAD to get to that spot, too) 18:24 jdavidb if it's not the top commit, git revert <commit-hash> is probably the best way to go. 18:24 kmkale huh? i am already in that branch right? it still tosses my changes? 18:25 jdavidb git checkout HEAD will toss uncommitted changes to the current branch, yes. 18:25 kmkale i am getting a picture of a tape reel. am i right? 18:26 jdavidb (I use a text-only client; no pics when I do it, so I don't know that,.) 18:26 kmkale :) 18:26 * jdavidb is an old coot who is more comfortable in a character-cell terminal than a GUI. 18:26 kmkale meaning we rewind to a spot to reverse a commit and replay HEAD from there on 18:26 kmkale right? 18:27 jdavidb that's what it should do--go straight to HEAD, toss everything uncommited to HEAD. 18:27 kmkale where do I see <commit-hash> ? 18:27 wizzyrea kmkale: I"m looking at your fines payment printing thing 18:27 wizzyrea and I don't think you have the option in there to print manual invoices 18:27 jdavidb That's the 32-character hexadecimal identifier for the commit; every commit has one. I don't know where you'll see that on your client. 18:27 wizzyrea erm credits 18:28 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/MDM4MzE2N 18:28 kmkale wizzyrea: not yet 18:28 sekjal JeremyLC: ByWater Solutions is working on hourly loans 18:28 wizzyrea ok cool, just wanted to make sure that was on your list of to-do's :) 18:28 kmkale yup 18:28 wizzyrea yay! 18:28 JeremyLC sekjal: Oh? Are they going to contribute it back to the project? 18:29 sekjal JeremyLC: of course we are! 18:29 JeremyLC sekjal: How far along are they? 18:29 wizzyrea afaik everything bywater does comes back 18:29 JeremyLC er, you then 18:29 sekjal not far enough along to have much to brag about 18:29 JeremyLC sekjal: that is an essential feature for us, and we could implement it (and contribute it back) ourselves, but we don't need to duplicate work 18:30 sekjal but we're aiming to have it done by summers end 18:30 wizzyrea it would also be cool to be able to print an invoice slip 18:30 kmkale jdavidb: how do I see my commits? 18:30 JeremyLC sekjal: any idea when a usable release would be available? 18:30 owen kmkale: git log 18:30 jdavidb Again, you're using a client I've never seen, so I don't know. "git log" gives a list of them, for me. 18:30 kmkale wizzyrea: you mean manual invoice? or just any ? 18:30 wizzyrea any invoice 18:30 sekjal JeremyLC: I can't give you a date on that, but I can keep you posted 18:31 * wizzyrea notes that she should look at what you did and spring off of it to help out with some of this stuff. 18:31 kmkale jdavidb : client? whats that? I am running all these commands in a terminal 18:31 kmkale wizzyrea: yes thats easy 18:32 kmkale planning to put same print link in fron of invoices too 18:32 JeremyLC sekjal: Okay 18:32 kmkale owen: thanks 18:32 wizzyrea kmkale: brilliant! 18:33 kmkale past midnight. working tomorrow. so good night all 18:34 JeremyLC sekjal: could we possibly discuss this via EMail too? (JeremyC@uta.edu) 18:34 sekjal JeremyLC: of course 18:35 sekjal I've got you down in my contacts list, with a note to keep you posted 18:35 JeremyLC thanks 18:36 sekjal yeah, hourly loans really need doing. I think it's a blocker for a lot of libraries, particularly academic 18:37 owen I think hourly loans will also be useful for children's comic book collections: "I told you you could look at that for a minute and it's been ONE MINUTE!" 18:39 owen Not that children collect comic books anymore. 18:39 owen "I told you you could look at my Edison Records wax cylinder for a minute and it's been ONE MINUTE." 18:41 sekjal owen: lol 18:44 wizzyrea somebody... anybody... want to reply to slef's concerns re: the vendor list? 18:45 owen What conversation is this? 18:45 wizzyrea on the main list 18:45 wizzyrea he wants the linkback clause and to exclude companies that behave poorly 18:46 owen Is that from today? I don't see it 18:46 wizzyrea sent at 1:18 18:48 nengard i also don't see it on the list... 18:49 nengard was it sent to just you? 18:49 wizzyrea no, it says to: Me CC: Koha list 18:49 collum It's not in my inbox or trash. 18:49 wizzyrea i forwarded it to you owen 18:49 owen could be that fancy fast Google they have in KS. Special just for them. 18:49 wizzyrea well that is just odd 18:49 wizzyrea pbbt 18:50 collum Maybe google has blocked off the US except for KS. :) 18:50 nengard she got it cause it went to her and to the list 18:50 nengard it just didn't make it to the list yet 18:51 wizzyrea must be making its way through the list process now 18:51 owen "Can't locate HTML/Scrubber.pm in @INC" ? 18:51 wizzyrea !? 18:51 owen I get that when I go to opac-tags.pl 18:53 nengard wizzyrea two of the bugs i submitted this morning still haven't made it to the bugs mailing list 18:53 wizzyrea hmmmm 18:53 nengard sounds to me like the koha domains are a bit choked up 18:53 nengard email wise 18:53 wizzyrea perhaps we should ping the biblibre folk 18:53 wizzyrea yea, I haven't gotten anything since 9:55 18:54 wizzyrea this morning 18:54 wizzyrea (except this email from MJ, but it was to me also, as nengard pointed out) 18:54 owen Ditto on my bug activity 18:55 * chris_n confirms no list mail 18:56 chris which list? koha-devel? 18:56 nengard bugs 18:56 nengard and koha 18:56 chris_n any 18:56 chris koha is totally different to the others 18:56 chris_n 7:41am edt is the last from koha here 18:56 chris thats koha@lists.katipo.co.nz 18:57 chris and there is nothing in the queue there 18:57 nengard hmmm - what about the email wizzy got but none of us did? 18:57 chris_n 7:45 for the dev list 18:57 wizzyrea it was to me 18:57 wizzyrea directly 18:57 wizzyrea + the list 18:57 nengard which list? 18:57 wizzyrea main koha 18:57 chris_n bugs has been working for me, however 18:57 nengard chris - what about that one? 18:57 chris not in the queue 18:58 wizzyrea oooo eeee oooo 18:58 chris its probably in a greylist 18:58 nengard chris_n i submitted 2 bugs this AM and didn't get the emails- but did get other emails 18:58 wizzyrea hm 18:58 wizzyrea patches@koha.org or koha-patches@lists.koha.org 18:58 chris_n nengard: sorry, those were addressed to me rather than the bug list 18:59 chris_n wizzyrea: last patch came through here ~1:37 am local time 18:59 chris_n but then, Fridays are always slow 19:06 * wizzyrea is merely a user of the lists, not an admin 19:06 wizzyrea but that's weird that there's nothign in the queue, chris. I'm sure slef meant for that message to go to the list 19:10 owen Anyone have a suggestion for my Scrubber.pm problem? 19:10 owen "Can't locate HTML/Scrubber.pm in @INC" ? 19:10 owen am I missing a dependency? 19:11 gmcharlt owen: yes 19:11 gmcharlt sudo apt-get install libhtml-scrubber-perl 19:12 * owen wonders if that could have gotten uninstalled when he upgraded 19:13 chris_n wizzyrea: is the list email addr spelled wrong by chance? 19:14 chris i sent one koha@lists ... nothing so far .. but it didnt bounce .. it just hasnt hit the list yet so maybe there is a big queue of mail 19:16 * owen heading home 19:16 owen Have a good weekend all 19:18 jcamins chris: You're RM for 3.4, right? 19:19 chris yep 19:21 jcamins I have a question for you... what would it take to get the fix for Bug 4367 into 3.4? 19:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4367 normal, P5, ---, camins@numismatics.org, ASSIGNED, shelfbrowser should take collection code into consideration 19:22 jcamins (i.e. does it need to be more general/use a syspref, etc.?) 19:23 chris lemme look 19:24 chris yes would need a syspref 19:25 chris current behaviour should be the default, but if you toggle the syspref then it can work the way libraries with no callnumbers would like 19:25 jcamins Okay. That makes sense. We'll look into adding a syspref, then. 19:25 chris cool 19:27 jcamins We also need to figure out how to make the enhancement for Bug 4421 general, but I don't think that's something I'm going to worry about for a bit yet. 19:27 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4421 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Should be possible to display location for bibs w/o items 19:43 wizzyrea chris_n: no, it doesn't look like the list addy is wrong 21:07 brendan @roulette 21:07 munin brendan: *click* 21:08 sekjal @roulette 21:08 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 21:09 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 21:09 sekjal well that doesn't bode well 21:10 brendan heh 21:11 brendan @eightball will 3.2 get out the door? 21:11 munin brendan: Maybe... 21:13 wizzyrea @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 2 months? 21:13 munin wizzyrea: Maybe... 21:13 wizzyrea @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 3 months? 21:13 munin wizzyrea: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing! 21:13 wizzyrea @eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 4 months? 21:13 munin wizzyrea: What are you asking me for? 21:13 wizzyrea right. we should ask gmcharlt ;) 21:14 brendan I feel that gmcharlt's answers would be the same 21:14 brendan @eightball gmcharlt is distracted by shiny-things? 21:14 munin brendan: Obviously. 21:14 wizzyrea awwwww that's not fair 21:14 brendan well there you go 21:14 wizzyrea no abusing the RM with his own bot... 21:15 brendan sorry gmcharlt 21:15 brendan gmcharlt++ 21:15 wizzyrea :D 21:15 wizzyrea well, as a general rule, it's better not to abuse the RM 21:16 brendan how you doing wizzyrea 21:16 wizzyrea I'm doing well :) 21:16 wizzyrea how about you? 21:16 brendan @eightball is wizzyrea distracted by shiny-things? 21:16 munin brendan: Yes! 21:16 brendan I'm well 21:16 gmcharlt @eightball is munin in need of retraining? 21:16 munin gmcharlt: Unlikely. 21:16 brendan heh 21:17 wizzyrea oh snap, you got told 21:17 gmcharlt @eightball will brendan help by sending patches for blockers? 21:17 munin gmcharlt: No clue. 21:17 gmcharlt hmm 21:18 brendan ouch munin 21:26 wizzyrea huh. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/0C0mUe2JaHA/the-state-of-web-development-2010-web-directions 22:06 sekjal @eightball will I make it as far as Utica tonight? 22:06 munin sekjal: Naturally. 22:06 sekjal oh, thanks, munin. that's reassuring 22:30 Genji greetings all 22:30 Genji whats the development guide link? 22:31 Genji and how do i rebase up to a certain commit? 23:27 mason git reset --hard $COMMIT 23:27 mason then do the rebase.... 23:28 mason thats what i would do