IRC log for #koha, 2010-05-01

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00:05 brendan cya #koha
00:05 brendan enjoy the weekend
00:10 slef ta
00:10 slef you too
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00:32 reed chris, you there? check yer mail
00:38 chris looking now
00:40 chris ohh, that looks like a great coffee discussion topic on monday :)
00:41 reed heh
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01:40 brendan @roulette
01:40 munin brendan: *click*
01:43 wizzyrea_laptop omg, dude, do you really want to die?
01:43 wizzyrea_laptop lol
01:43 wizzyrea_laptop i.e. should we be concerned about you?
01:45 wizzyrea_laptop j/k
01:47 chris w
01:48 chris doh, wrong window
01:48 wizzyrea_laptop at least you didn't type in your password
01:49 chris yep :)
01:49 richard pretty close tho, eh chris :)
01:52 brendan @roulette
01:52 munin brendan: *click*
01:52 brendan lucky streak is on
01:54 mason heh, looks at this...
01:54 mason
01:54 * richard scrubs up pretty well for the photos
01:54 mason and a forum too...
01:55 brendan that's fabulous
01:55 mason
01:55 mason a fav. fotos page....
01:55 brendan who would win in a fight MacGyver or Chcuk Norris
01:57 mason its good to see the RDA fandom depicted in 'the simpsons' exists in real life!
01:58 mason hay, i wonder if chuck norris has a similar fan-site...
01:59 mason "Chuck Norris can kick through all 6 degrees of separation, hitting anyone, anywhere, in the face, at any time."
02:03 mason
02:04 mason and a last one....
02:04 mason
02:05 mason this one's got RDA kissing Vicki in the final frame, priceless...
02:07 mason ahh, its actually linda blair, not vicki :/
02:28 wizzyrea_laptop re: the fight, it depends on if mac can fashion a god foot from paperclips, chewing gum, and duct tape.
02:28 wizzyrea_laptop I'm guessing it's not really possible.
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03:00 chris hi jdavidb
03:00 jdavidb hi, chris.
03:00 * chris is experimenting with FCGI::Async and nginx
03:01 chris_n heya jdavib, chris
03:01 jdavidb howdy, chris_n
03:12 wizzyrea_laptop sup jdavidb
03:12 jdavidb hi, wizzy.  :)
03:12 * chris_n wonders if wizzyrea_laptop == wizzyrea_home?
03:12 wizzyrea_laptop yep :)
03:13 wizzyrea_laptop or more accurately...
03:13 wizzyrea_laptop wizzyrea_types_inbed
03:13 wizzyrea_laptop because it's comfy and warm
03:13 chris_n hehe
03:14 chris_n if I took my laptop toward the bed, I'd probably get pushed out... ;-)
03:14 wizzyrea_laptop by your laptop? or your wife?
03:14 chris_n lol
03:14 * wizzyrea_laptop 's laptop has a mind of its own
03:15 chris_n my wife would probably have both it and me on the floor :)
03:15 wizzyrea_laptop hehe
03:15 wizzyrea_laptop the hubs plays bass in a band, he's got a gig tonight. I'd go except no sitter or el bebeh.
03:16 wizzyrea_laptop s/or/for
03:16 chris_n yup, kids do change things
03:16 wizzyrea_laptop so I"m free to laptop anyplace I like ^.^
03:24 jdavidb I couldn't take my lappy to bed.  the wahrless doesn't like our metal-stud walls, and my work lappy is a 9-pound road warrior.  Don't want it anywhere near my lap.
03:26 brendan yup not allowed to bring my laptop to bed either
03:27 chris_n hey brendan
03:27 brendan hiya
03:27 * chris_n finds that running laptops on the bedtop tends to dramatically shorten the life of the battery
03:28 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]
03:28 chris no apache involved at all
03:28 wizzyrea_laptop hm, i haven't ever noticed that, but mine's a macbook that vents out the back
03:30 brendan nice chris
03:30 chris nginx + this
03:30 chris[…]22e45acd3f8c27a50
03:30 brendan really snappy here
03:30 chris_n very nice
03:31 chris i may just have blown it up
03:31 brendan what's the location of the server
03:31 chris (running load test)
03:31 chris umm 3 metres away from me in my house
03:32 brendan wow that's way faster than the opac.demo.catalyst
03:33 chris_n bit slow from my neck of the woods
03:33 chris_n but that may be due to a poor quality link hree
03:33 chris_n here even
03:35 * wizzyrea_laptop noticed that too, but ditto on the link
03:37 jdavidb Very quick for me.
03:38 chris k, profilng the old set up
03:39 chris got the load up to 31 already
03:39 chris yikes
03:40 chris 49.93
03:41 wizzyrea_laptop !!
03:41 chris_n probably my last mile link
03:43 chris 74.68
03:43 * chris_n is on about a 35k foot loop
03:43 chris i suspect i put a bit too much load on
03:43 chris_n hehe
03:45 chris still will be interesting to compare against the nginx set up
03:45 brendan slowed way down -
03:45 chris yeah cos im poundng the apache2
03:45 brendan love this title --> this title has a < and " and a & in it
03:45 chris heh
03:45 brendan Available: Chris Office
03:45 chris right ive topped out the ram
03:45 chris 3 gig gone
03:45 chris swapping hard
03:45 chris 108.67
03:45 brendan :)
03:45 chris_n wow, thomas the tank engine.. .the kiddies would love your library :)
03:45 chris it may not recover
03:45 chris_n 504 error now
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03:46 chris so in 252 seconds i got 11 200s from apache2
03:46 chris in 142 seconds
03:46 chris i got 131 from nginx
03:47 chris ill take that as a win
03:47 chris waiting for the load to drop and will try nginx again
03:49 chris_n quite snappy from here now chris
03:50 chris cool
03:50 chris ok, .92
03:50 chris im gonna run 100 concurrent requests against it
03:51 chris hehe its running now
03:51 chris 0.27, 29.73, 41.26
03:52 chris .46
03:52 chris apache2 was swapping by now
03:53 chris finished
03:53 chris .61
03:53 chris it maxed out as
03:53 mason heya
03:54 chris Test total duration was 112 seconds and CAPS average 2:
03:54 chris H/F   Req:159,1xx:0,2xx:123,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:36,Err:0,T-E​rr:0,D:34403ms,D-2xx:25939ms,Ti:8025B/s,To:231B/s
03:54 chris H/F/S Req:0,1xx:0,2xx:0,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0​,T-Err:0,D:0ms,D-2xx:0ms,Ti:0B/s,To:0B/s
03:54 chris got some 500's
03:54 mason thats a big difference
03:54 jdavidb I'm gonna head to bed.  y'all have a great weekend.
03:54 chris but still got 123 requests through
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03:55 chris so yeah this deserves more investigation i think
03:55 brendan oh nice
03:55 brendan and you've got m$ books in your catalog too ;)
03:55 chris_n very nice
03:55 mason apache: 111 hits in 259 secs
03:56 chris looking at my results?
03:56 chris 111 requests
03:56 mason nginx: 206 in 142 secs
03:56 chris on 11 were 200 tho mason
03:56 chris so apache only served up 11 pages successfully
03:57 chris i was requesting 100 at a time
03:57 mason ah, click..
03:57 chris which is pretty high
03:57 mason aaaaah
03:57 mason even more telling...
03:57 chris but nginx and FCGI::Async coped a lot better
03:57 chris and
03:57 chris i only have one backend running
03:57 chris gimme 5 mins
03:58 mason so, http 2xx are successes?
03:58 chris yeah 200's
03:58 mason ok
03:58 chris ill get another 2 backend fastcgi running
03:58 chris and then see how we go
03:58 mason 5xx:75 ?
03:59 chris yeah 500's probably scripts dying
03:59 mason hay, wots the http-profiler called?
04:00 chris curl-loader
04:02 chris same test
04:02 chris 2 backends, 1 nginx
04:02 chris Test total duration was 92 seconds and CAPS average 2:
04:02 chris H/F   Req:159,1xx:0,2xx:159,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Er​r:0,D:25431ms,D-2xx:25431ms,Ti:12037B/s,To:301B/s
04:02 chris H/F/S Req:0,1xx:0,2xx:0,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0​,T-Err:0,D:0ms,D-2xx:0ms,Ti:0B/s,To:0B/s
04:03 chris 92 secs, got all 159 through
04:03 * chris will try 3
04:04 chris_n this looks sweet
04:06 chris Test total duration was 75 seconds and CAPS average 3:
04:06 chris H/F   Req:167,1xx:0,2xx:167,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Er​r:0,D:24456ms,D-2xx:24456ms,Ti:15384B/s,To:391B/s
04:06 chris H/F/S Req:0,1xx:0,2xx:0,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0​,T-Err:0,D:0ms,D-2xx:0ms,Ti:0B/s,To:0B/s
04:08 chris now 4
04:10 chris Test total duration was 83 seconds and CAPS average 3:
04:10 chris H/F   Req:217,1xx:0,2xx:216,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:1,Err:0,T-Er​r:0,D:24894ms,D-2xx:24690ms,Ti:18143B/s,To:478B/s
04:10 brendan is this only the opac side ?
04:10 chris yep
04:10 chris H/F/S Req:0,1xx:0,2xx:0,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0​,T-Err:0,D:0ms,D-2xx:0ms,Ti:0B/s,To:0B/s
04:10 chris so 216 throw .. so the sweet spot is around there
04:10 chris through even
04:13 chris i need laurel to take the kids to gallery openings more often ... its quite productive :)
04:14 brendan true :)
04:14 brendan reading about nginx now
04:15 chris_n hehe
04:15 chris FCGI::Async was the missing piece, i knew nginx is fast we use it at work
04:16 chris_n is this it:
04:16 chris yep
04:17 chris
04:17 chris best place
04:17 brendan
04:17 brendan jinx
04:17 brendan errr.. njinx
04:28 chris nginx++
04:28 chris ok thats enough playing with that for now
04:28 chris_n nginx supports memcached
04:30 chris yep we use that at work too
04:30 chris ok time to cook some dinner
04:30 reed chris, thinking of using it in place of apache for koha?
04:30 chris yep
04:30 reed sweet
04:31 reed you know how much i adore nginx
04:31 chris nginx + a FCGI::Async script
04:31 chris[…]22e45acd3f8c27a50
04:31 chris script is a simple as that
04:31 chris_n g'night all
04:31 chris night chris_n
04:31 brendan yeah going to play with it
04:31 brendan night chris_n
04:32 chris it needs to be tidied up, and better error handling
04:32 chris but i thnk its worth investigating
04:34 * chris wanders off
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06:02 kmkale @weather Mumbai
06:02 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 34.0�C (11:10 AM IST on May 01, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
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06:37 braedon|home anyone tried koha on 10.04 yet?
06:37 braedon|home ubuntu 10.04*
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07:51 chris braedon|home: i havent yet
07:52 braedon|home downloading server version now - will have a go with 3.2
07:54 braedon|home i may have another go at building ubuntu packages for the dependencies, since this is a LTS and someone may actually care :P. And i may be able to simply port some of lars' debian packages over, which would simplify things a lot
08:00 chris yep, they should all just work
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08:18 indradg_ chris, (probably) dumb and OT question when is it summer in NZ?
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08:36 kmkale_laptop when I try to upgrade from ubuntu 9.10 I get an error could not download release notes. :(
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09:25 kmkale @weather Mumbai
09:25 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (2:10 PM IST on May 01, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
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10:47 chris indradg_: starts around october, ends in march
10:49 indradg_ chris, so technically it is late winter / early spring now?
10:49 indradg_ or?
10:51 chris its autumn
10:51 chris going into winter
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11:26 nahuel heya
11:26 nahuel someone that knows koha and marc21 ? :)
11:26 nahuel gmcharlt, ?
11:26 nahuel how can we do to do links between authorities ?
11:26 nahuel in default auth fwk we cannot find any $9
11:27 nahuel perhaps i'm wrong...
11:27 nahuel don't know
11:29 nahuel hdl_laptop,
11:29 nahuel :)
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11:33 gmcharlt nahuel: $9 works
11:33 gmcharlt for links between bib headings and authorities
11:33 nahuel no
11:33 gmcharlt there is no conception of linking between authorities themselves
11:34 nahuel I need between auth and auth
11:34 gmcharlt between broader and narrower terms, e.g.?
11:35 nahuel like between personnal name and corp. name
11:35 chris_n hdl_laptop: I did a distro upgrade to lucid this week on my desktop and it went fine
11:35 chris_n and I installed the server version on a new box and that went fine too
11:36 chris_n and g'morning #koha
11:36 hdl_laptop hi chris_n
11:36 hdl_laptop good
11:37 nahuel gmcharlt, ?
11:37 slef aha
11:37 chris_n I have not tried putting Koha on yet though
11:37 slef nahuel: this is on my TODO
11:37 slef nahuel: marc21 linking support in Koha is waaay behind unimarc
11:37 gmcharlt nahuel: that kind of semantic is not really expressable in MARC21
11:38 gmcharlt it's not a Koha problem so much as a MARC21 problem
11:38 hdl_laptop MARC21 is not using authids but headings.
11:38 nahuel héhé
11:38 nahuel gmcharlt, in unimarc too :)
11:38 nahuel well...
11:38 nahuel :)
11:38 hdl_laptop So respecting strictly the norm would be a nightmare.
11:38 slef gmcharlt: it's been a while, but I think an emulation is possible
11:38 hdl_laptop But using $9 could be ok imho
11:38 slef won't export from koha well, though
11:39 slef yeah, $9 and more :-/
11:39 gmcharlt taking on $9 in MARC21 auths wouldn't be a problem
11:39 gmcharlt *tacking on, that is
11:39 hdl_laptop slef: who would like to get out from Koha ;)
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11:39 slef hdl_laptop: no lock-in, ok?
11:39 gmcharlt but there would need to be an option to strip out them out during export
11:39 slef gmcharlt: don't we already have some tag stripping?
11:39 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: no lockin, and to *share* authority records :)
11:39 hdl_laptop slef: just kidding
11:39 slef or did I dream that?
11:39 gmcharlt slef: yep
11:40 gmcharlt not a big deal, just saying that it would need to be accounted for
11:40 slef let me see if I can find a kohabug for it
11:41 slef if there is, it's not in my notes I have here :-/
11:43 slef bug 900 and bug 3429 are related... actually tons of authorities bugs :-(
11:43 munin Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=900 enhancement, P2, ---,, NEW, Unimarc Authorities
11:43 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3429 major, P5, ---,, NEW, Searching fails for MARC21 authorities with ERROR 114 in zebrasrv log
11:47 kmkale munin++
12:01 nahuel well I found how to do it
12:01 nahuel just linking a thesaurus to the 260$a
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12:16 gmcharlt in MARC21 authorities?  no, that's not what's it's for
12:19 nahuel don't care
12:19 nahuel it works how we want
12:19 nahuel :)
12:19 nahuel see you
12:19 nahuel were leaving
12:19 nahuel and thanks
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12:19 hdl_laptop congrats nah
12:33 gmcharlt let's make a deal - I won't try to dictate how you guys use UNIMARC, and you won't dictate how MARC21 is used, or blatantly choose to ignore it standards
12:36 mason gmcharlt: i liked your fake-rda post last nite
12:37 gmcharlt mason: I only wish I could take credit ;)
12:37 mason ive had someone show me some doco from a nz-rda workshop...
12:38 mason ... it sounds like a grand-unifying theory, that isnt quite finished?
12:42 gmcharlt exactly
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12:58 slef I took a look at RDA. Wondered if it was flawed or if I was flawed. Left it for later.
13:05 wizzyrea_laptop guess it's time to do a feature list for.3.2
13:06 wizzyrea_laptop an accurate one
13:14 gmcharlt wizzyrea_laptop: yep, I'm putting release notes together this weekend for alpha2, but will be throwing them up on a wiki somewhere as well
13:16 wizzyrea_laptop super dee duper
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14:00 braedon|home /sigh - not having ssh access to your web hosting is very frustraiting
14:01 wizzyrea_laptop :/ yea
14:02 braedon|home uploading mediawiki unzipped - 1500 files over ftp later...
14:07 * braedon|home gives up and goes to bed - hopefully it will be done in the morning
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14:30 gmcharlt anybody about who can translate a syspref to French for me?
14:33 chris_n hi gmcharlt
14:33 gmcharlt hi chris_n
14:39 chris_n any suggestion on an inexpensive printer for use on a circ desk with Koha?
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16:53 gmcharlt comments on patch series I submited for 4036, 4505, and 4429 solicated
16:53 gmcharlt solicited, even
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18:39 bgkriegel gmcharlt: 4505 does not exist. Is 4405?
18:40 gmcharlt bgkriegel: yep, 4405
18:40 bgkriegel ok
19:19 indradg @wunder kolkata
19:19 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0�C (12:20 AM IST on May 02, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
19:22 chris 4405 works for me, i like that you fixed all my typos
19:39 brendan afternoon all
19:39 brendan @wunder 93117
19:39 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 22.2�C (12:20 PM PDT on May 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Falling).
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21:50 chris_n @wunder 28334
21:50 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 30.5�C (5:46 PM EDT on May 01, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Falling).
21:50 * chris_n grabs another glass of lemonade
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