| Time |
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Message |
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owen |
Is everyone done being pissed off or can I join in? |
| 00:05 |
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* chris_n |
growls |
| 00:05 |
|
owen |
PTFS-- |
| 00:06 |
|
owen |
Liblime-- |
| 00:06 |
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owen |
LEK-- |
| 00:06 |
|
owen |
Joann++ |
| 00:09 |
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nengard |
owen - not so much pissed off - as I am frustrated that no matter how hard we try we cna't seem to teach them what open source really means |
| 00:09 |
|
nengard |
I'm with you though |
| 00:10 |
|
nengard |
Joann++ |
| 00:10 |
|
nengard |
HLT++ |
| 00:10 |
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owen |
I'd feel better if they were just stubbornly evil. Now they think they need to go on the record as insulting HLT andthe Koha community |
| 00:11 |
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owen |
It's a shame Josh isn't sticking with Liblime and PTFS, they're made for each other. |
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| 00:15 |
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nengard |
LOL @owen |
| 00:16 |
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rhcl |
Josh I and now Josh II |
| 00:17 |
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Joann |
Can someone make a change to the event calender please on koha-community.org |
| 00:17 |
|
Joann |
need to add in 5th may 1900 UTC Koha Dev meeting |
| 00:17 |
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nengard |
sure - how? |
| 00:17 |
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chris |
you make a post |
| 00:17 |
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Joann |
I don't know how |
| 00:17 |
|
nengard |
Want me to teach you? |
| 00:17 |
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chris |
and set the date |
| 00:17 |
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Joann |
yes please |
| 00:18 |
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chris |
and it magically shows up |
| 00:18 |
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chris |
tis cool |
| 00:18 |
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Joann |
ok - we'll i login first |
| 00:18 |
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Joann |
then site admin |
| 00:18 |
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nengard |
then 'add new' under post |
| 00:18 |
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Joann |
quick press or a real post? |
| 00:18 |
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nengard |
real post |
| 00:18 |
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Joann |
ok |
| 00:19 |
|
nengard |
at the very bottom of your screen is an events area - click the plus sign |
| 00:19 |
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nengard |
to add the event - but make sure you write something in your post as well :) |
| 00:19 |
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Joann |
just in the heading or body or both |
| 00:20 |
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owen |
chris_n++ # for a nice response on the list |
| 00:20 |
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* owen |
is still trying to decide if he can respond without using inappropriate language |
| 00:20 |
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gmcharlt |
owen: good reason to sleep on it |
| 00:21 |
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Joann |
WE sat on it for hours and hours and hours while Galen was sleeping :) |
| 00:21 |
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| 00:21 |
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chris |
wb Nate |
| 00:21 |
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gmcharlt |
Joann: I'll just have to send you a remote control for my alarm clock :) |
| 00:21 |
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Nate |
hiya chris, everyone |
| 00:21 |
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chris |
owen: yeah im in the same boat as you gonna sleep on it |
| 00:24 |
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Joann |
Galen: that would be grand :) |
| 00:24 |
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Joann |
Nicole - I did it butbadly I fear |
| 00:25 |
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reed |
chris_n++ as above |
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| 00:28 |
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nengard |
had to look up "Ipse dixit." |
| 00:28 |
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nengard |
:) |
| 00:29 |
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nengard |
chris_n++ |
| 00:29 |
|
nengard |
that was awesome |
| 00:29 |
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nengard |
Joann, I'll go check it |
| 00:29 |
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nengard |
Joann - I don't see it - did you delete it? |
| 00:30 |
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nengard |
sorry I didn't answer you before - you need a title and a body |
| 00:30 |
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Joann |
yep - had to - it was awful |
| 00:30 |
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Joann |
off for food |
| 00:31 |
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nengard |
here's an example from me: http://koha-community.org/apri[…]eral-irc-meeting/ |
| 00:31 |
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nengard |
I can do the post for you - but I want to empower you to be able to do it yourself :) |
| 00:32 |
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chris_n |
tnx, I hoped to say things well |
| 00:32 |
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nengard |
you did very well and kept emotion out of it and stuck to facts |
| 00:33 |
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mason |
well done everyone :) |
| 00:33 |
|
nengard |
What is most frustrating to me - as an educator - is that no matter how hard we all try we can't seem to make them understand what open source is and how it works - it's so easy to understand if you just open your mind up a little bit and listen |
| 00:34 |
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nengard |
I like to think I can teach anyone - but I see now that sometimes I have to just let it go |
| 00:34 |
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mason |
yeah, i think so nicole.. |
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| 00:35 |
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chris_n |
nengard: what is the correct format for adding a gmail account as an openid in wordpress? |
| 00:35 |
|
nengard |
chris_n .... um .... have never done it .... :( |
| 00:36 |
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nengard |
wizzyrea is probably the one to ask |
| 00:40 |
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chris_n |
found it: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id |
| 00:40 |
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chris_n |
enter that url into the openid box |
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| 01:10 |
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lee |
liz |
| 01:10 |
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lee |
you around? |
| 01:14 |
|
chris |
hiya lee |
| 01:14 |
|
chris |
i think she isnt |
| 01:17 |
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slef |
urgh - why am I awake? |
| 01:17 |
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chilts |
caffeine? |
| 01:17 |
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richard |
it's that kind of a day |
| 01:18 |
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slef |
I think the universe just woke me to reply to that email. |
| 01:20 |
|
lee |
sorry guys |
| 01:20 |
|
lee |
I was looking for some feed back from Liz about the PTFS deal |
| 01:21 |
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lee |
did they cancel their LL contract? |
| 01:21 |
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| 01:22 |
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nengard |
lee not that we know of |
| 01:22 |
|
lee |
ah |
| 01:22 |
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lee |
we had been talking about what the next disaster would be guess we know |
| 01:23 |
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lee |
Oh by the way I don't care who reads what I say |
| 01:23 |
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chris |
lee: its a disaster for ptfs and their clients |
| 01:23 |
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chris |
its a relief for the rest of us |
| 01:23 |
|
lee |
agreed |
| 01:23 |
|
lee |
esp. the LEKers |
| 01:23 |
|
chris |
its finally over, and we can stop worrying about it |
| 01:23 |
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slef |
chris: was the conference call ever scheduled? |
| 01:24 |
|
lee |
excellent |
| 01:24 |
|
larsw |
newbie here... what is LEK? |
| 01:24 |
|
slef |
http://koha-community.org/hlt-[…]ssions-with-ptfs/ reads like it wasn't. |
| 01:24 |
|
slef |
larsw: LibLime's Enterprise Koha |
| 01:24 |
|
larsw |
ah, ack |
| 01:24 |
|
slef |
larsw: aka LL's E&E'd Koha |
| 01:24 |
|
lee |
but i wonder if they will take Koha code and create the next freakinstien |
| 01:24 |
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chris |
its now PTFS Fully managed solution |
| 01:25 |
|
chris |
i think is the rebrand |
| 01:25 |
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slef |
lee: I smell an Archivalware merger attempt, what about you? |
| 01:25 |
|
lee |
*gagging* |
| 01:25 |
|
lee |
yea |
| 01:25 |
|
lee |
that makes sense |
| 01:25 |
|
lee |
Koha is just a vehicle for their archievelware |
| 01:26 |
|
lee |
did I just type arch evil? |
| 01:26 |
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chris |
slef: the agenda was not agreed on, it was tentatively scheduled, certainly not confirmed by everyone on the committee |
| 01:27 |
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chris |
as it was being negotiated the wiki edits came along too, which didnt help |
| 01:27 |
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chilts |
I find that with everything going on with LL/PTFS, my willingness to participate in the community is stronger ... hopefully I'll have a play (finally) and send in some patches :) |
| 01:27 |
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chris |
slef: i think we stated the facts fairly succintly in the report |
| 01:27 |
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* chilts |
has to stop talking about it and do |
| 01:28 |
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nengard |
chilts that is awesome |
| 01:28 |
|
nengard |
okay all - it's time for me to head to bed - won't be around tomorrow -giving a Koha lecture and then teaching Mashups to libararians - see you all next week (or maybe over the weekend some) |
| 01:28 |
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| 01:28 |
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chris_n |
slef: aren't you close to gmt? |
| 01:29 |
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slef |
chris_n: +0100, yes. 0230 here. |
| 01:29 |
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chris_n |
ouch |
| 01:29 |
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* chris_n |
hands slef coffee |
| 01:29 |
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lee |
chris_n do you have a link to your response? to PTFS |
| 01:29 |
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slef |
I think that would be a baaad move |
| 01:29 |
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chris_n |
lee: om |
| 01:30 |
|
lee |
nicole said it was gooooood |
| 01:30 |
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chris_n |
lee: http://old.nabble.com/LibLime-[…]s-to28406334.html |
| 01:31 |
|
lee |
my banner ad is for Auckland hotel Mercure....crazy how do they know??? |
| 01:31 |
|
lee |
chris_n :) |
| 01:31 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 01:31 |
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chris_n |
lol |
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| 01:32 |
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lee |
reading....link |
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| 01:34 |
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lee |
It seems clear from this statement that PTFS views itself as somehow on a plane of equality with the Koha community |
| 01:34 |
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chilts |
if not higher (and very untrue) |
| 01:34 |
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lee |
ah Chris_n |
| 01:34 |
|
lee |
nice |
| 01:34 |
|
lee |
thank you |
| 01:34 |
|
lee |
well stated |
| 01:35 |
|
lee |
yeah boyos get in line |
| 01:35 |
|
lee |
behind all our other excellent vendors who actually contribute |
| 01:36 |
|
lee |
BTW speaking of contributing my library would like to sponser food or drink for the hackfest |
| 01:36 |
|
lee |
let me know |
| 01:36 |
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chris_n |
tnx lee |
| 01:36 |
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chris_n |
I must go on record as noting the contribution of both jwager and jdavidb, however |
| 01:37 |
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lee |
see you in NZ chris_n? |
| 01:37 |
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chris_n |
lee: I would love to, but not this time |
| 01:37 |
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lee |
yea... but they have to do what they have to do |
| 01:37 |
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chris_n |
yup |
| 01:37 |
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lee |
unlike Galen |
| 01:37 |
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chris |
lee that would be fantastic |
| 01:38 |
|
lee |
they won't be able to play without permission |
| 01:38 |
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lee |
chris put me down and we can settle on the details |
| 01:38 |
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chris |
if you want to email russel with that info, and then http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ |
| 01:38 |
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chris |
is where you can put money straight into the coffers |
| 01:38 |
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gmcharlt |
lee: ? |
| 01:38 |
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lee |
yea Galen? |
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| 01:39 |
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lee |
chris I will do that |
| 01:39 |
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chris |
thank you |
| 01:39 |
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lee |
will I get a sponsership banner? |
| 01:39 |
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chris |
yup |
| 01:39 |
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chris |
send your logo in the email |
| 01:39 |
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gmcharlt |
lee: saw you mention my name, didn't get the context |
| 01:39 |
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lee |
i send my graphic to russel/ yea/ |
| 01:40 |
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chris |
thats the one |
| 01:40 |
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gmcharlt |
lee: nm, I see (and also need coffee) |
| 01:40 |
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lee |
galen just about jane wagner and the PTFS thingy |
| 01:41 |
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gmcharlt |
right |
| 01:41 |
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slef |
roflmao http://media.urbandictionary.c[…]e/pwned-39138.jpg |
| 01:41 |
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* gmcharlt |
states for the record that he appreciates the contributions of all PTFS employees who have submitted patches |
| 01:41 |
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lee |
chris_n was giving her a nod |
| 01:41 |
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lee |
yea me too |
| 01:41 |
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chris |
me too |
| 01:41 |
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lee |
just wonder if they will still play after today |
| 01:42 |
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lee |
:/ |
| 01:43 |
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lee |
guess i should just ask her |
| 01:43 |
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chris_n |
lee: I think the greater question is will their employer let them play after today |
| 01:43 |
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lee |
:( |
| 01:43 |
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slef |
lee: great on sponsorship. software.coop agreed to sponsor some stuff (I still need to write that up) but not refreshments. |
| 01:43 |
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lee |
hmmm not feeling the love so much anymore |
| 01:44 |
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lee |
NZ pizza and beer for EVERYONE!!! |
| 01:44 |
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gmcharlt |
lee++ |
| 01:44 |
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* chris_n |
hands gmcharlt some coffee he just made |
| 01:45 |
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| 01:45 |
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slef |
another question: will those other companies who have loudly announced partnerships with PTFS pull out of them? |
| 01:45 |
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slef |
brendan: are you here? ;-) |
| 01:45 |
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lee |
thanks for all you do for us lowly librarians Koha is the best thing that has ever happened to my library |
| 01:45 |
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chris |
i think bywater is the only one |
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| 01:57 |
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slef |
chris: I don't watch that closely. It felt like there were more. |
| 01:58 |
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chris_n |
heya jdavidb |
| 02:00 |
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jdavidb |
howdy, chris_n |
| 02:04 |
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chris |
http://lwn.net/Articles/385442/rss |
| 02:05 |
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chris |
might be worth looking at |
| 02:05 |
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chris_n |
nice |
| 02:06 |
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collum |
just caught up on the IRC logs and my email. Interesting day. chris_n++ |
| 02:06 |
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* chris_n |
wishes he could afford ssds |
| 02:07 |
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chris |
me too |
| 02:07 |
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* jdavidb |
has an ittle bitty ssd in his netbook, but that's it. |
| 02:09 |
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chris_n |
I'd imagine that mechanical drives will be obsolete before long |
| 02:10 |
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* gmcharlt |
looks forward to the day |
| 02:11 |
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braedon|home1 |
... why is everyone talking about ssd today? |
| 02:12 |
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braedon|home1 |
was just on #xkcd and they were also |
| 02:12 |
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* jdavidb |
waddles off to bed. Busy day tomorrow, need mah beauty rest. |
| 02:12 |
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| 02:13 |
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* collum |
is also calling it a night. |
| 02:13 |
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| 02:20 |
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joetho |
My 25 lib consortium was an unwitting Liblime customer, now PTFS. |
| 02:21 |
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joetho |
Thankfully, we have thus far resisted the siren song of LEK. |
| 02:22 |
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joetho |
We are in year 2 of a 5 year contract. |
| 02:22 |
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joetho |
Groan. |
| 02:22 |
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chilts |
:( |
| 02:23 |
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joetho |
Happily, though, I think we will be able to update or 3.0x installation to 3.2 when the time comes. |
| 02:23 |
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joetho |
As per the terms of our contract. |
| 02:23 |
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joetho |
LEK participation does not appear to be a contractual requirement on our part. |
| 02:24 |
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chris_n |
g'night |
| 02:25 |
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joetho |
thank you for your earlier listserv post, chris_n. |
| 02:25 |
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joetho |
Well served. |
| 02:25 |
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joetho |
thank you and goodnight! |
| 02:26 |
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chris |
night joetho |
| 02:27 |
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slef |
chris: can I suggest lurkers email you? |
| 02:27 |
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slef |
well done joetho |
| 02:28 |
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chris |
slef: about? |
| 02:28 |
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slef |
getting started in the Koha community |
| 02:28 |
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chris |
oh certainly |
| 02:28 |
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slef |
if they're scared of posting to the list, really |
| 02:29 |
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chris |
yep, no problem at all |
| 02:29 |
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slef |
I think PTFS's USP is that they talk off-list |
| 02:29 |
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slef |
or at least how they present it |
| 02:36 |
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brendan |
heya slef |
| 02:36 |
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slef |
hi brendan ;-) |
| 02:36 |
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brendan |
PTFS did a contract with me in the beginning (I was getting married) but haven't worked with them since then |
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| 02:38 |
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brendan |
wow lots to read back through |
| 02:39 |
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brendan |
too late for the show... but nice to see a lot of git repository hosting messages in my email box gmcharlt++ |
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| 02:42 |
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slef |
brendan: has the contract ended automatically or can you end it? Feel like a public confetti show? |
| 02:46 |
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chilts |
cool, so that stats thing is now on http://git.koha-community.org/stats/ :) |
| 02:47 |
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chris |
yep |
| 02:47 |
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slef |
ok, bbl |
| 02:47 |
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chris |
get some sleep slef ;) |
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Amit_G |
heya brendan, chris |
| 03:25 |
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brendan |
morning Amit_G |
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schuster |
anyone about? |
| 05:14 |
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schuster |
ok then off to bed I go. Just finished reading and replying to the PTFS post. |
| 05:14 |
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| 06:01 |
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brendan |
@coin |
| 06:01 |
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munin |
brendan: heads |
| 06:01 |
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brendan |
@roulette |
| 06:01 |
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munin |
brendan: *click* |
| 06:01 |
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brendan |
@monologue |
| 06:01 |
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munin |
brendan: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long. |
| 06:02 |
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brendan |
one more |
| 06:02 |
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brendan |
@monologue |
| 06:02 |
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munin |
brendan: Your current monologue is at least 5 lines long. |
| 06:07 |
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Amit_G |
@wunder Bangalore |
| 06:07 |
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munin |
Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. |
| 06:07 |
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Amit_G |
@wunder |
| 06:07 |
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munin |
Amit_G: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
| 06:08 |
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Amit_G |
@wunder New Delhi |
| 06:08 |
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munin |
Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 36.0�C (11:00 AM IST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
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Amit_G |
heya genji |
| 06:18 |
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genji |
hiya Amit. |
| 06:18 |
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genji |
how goes? |
| 06:18 |
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Amit_G |
@coin |
| 06:18 |
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munin |
Amit_G: tails |
| 06:19 |
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genji |
@roll 3d6 |
| 06:19 |
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munin |
genji: Error: "roll" is not a valid command. |
| 06:19 |
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genji |
gah. |
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* magnus |
is happy to see all those commits on a day like this! |
| 06:50 |
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reed |
lars and his packages work should have been the news of the day |
| 06:51 |
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reed |
maybe it is |
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reed: it is, all that other stuff is just about one company among many |
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Amit_G |
heya nicomo, magnus |
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nicomo |
Hi Amit_G magnus_away |
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nicomo |
matts_: around? |
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kf |
morning koha |
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Amit_G |
heya kf |
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kf |
hi Amit_G |
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kf |
chris_n++ |
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chris |
fredericd++ |
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chris |
and yes larsw++ |
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chris |
he showed me a demo this morning, it was very very cool |
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kf |
larsw++ |
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kf |
morning chris |
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chris |
hi kf |
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chris |
oh thats quite sad |
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chris |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]-transplant-fails |
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kf |
yes :( |
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chris |
evening jransom |
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jransom |
hi chris |
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chris |
have you noticed i turned on the sounds at circulation? |
| 08:20 |
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jransom |
no |
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jransom |
im trying to summon the strength to go look at the WRs |
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jransom |
and test and report bugs |
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jransom |
i loved Don's comment on koha-community |
| 08:22 |
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jransom |
and feeling sad that my son't cat has been gone for 2 days |
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chris |
:( |
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chris |
that is sad |
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chris |
hopefully its just on holiday |
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jransom |
it is very sad. the other cat keeps loooking for her mate |
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chris |
bbiab |
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jransom |
k |
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chris |
back |
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magnus |
welcome back, chris ;-) |
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chris |
thanks magnus |
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magnus |
you're very welcome! |
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jransom |
hi Magnus |
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magnus |
hi jransom |
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magnus |
jransom, chris et al: thanks for the great work you are all doing for the community! |
| 08:59 |
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jransom |
well we did try, even if it looks like we walked away at the first opportunity (which we didnt) |
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magnus |
i don't think anyone who knows the tinyest bit about you would think that |
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jransom |
Fantastic committee - always 'on', worked issues through to consensus, all letters were team efforts, and all members have such integrity |
| 09:02 |
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magnus |
but of course, it could be made to look that way, if someone wanted to |
| 09:02 |
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jransom |
yes indeed |
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chris |
im sad that it looks like at least one library that uses koha believes that, but encouraged that others dont |
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jransom |
waldo? |
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chris |
plano |
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magnus |
guess this will be a time for libraries to choose sides |
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jransom |
hey i was wondering, say someone had a contract with liblime for koha under the understanding / believe it was open source, couldn't they claim breach of contract now its PTFS and LEK? |
| 09:05 |
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magnus |
and feel sorry for those in the middle of looong contracts |
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jransom |
I feel sorry for them to. money is so hard to come by and i bet many can't afford to walk away |
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chris |
they could, but it would be very hard |
| 09:07 |
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jransom |
how does 'bait and switch' fit in here? |
| 09:08 |
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magnus |
i think it will important now for the decisionmakers in the libraries to be well aware of what FOSS really is, and that they are not just choosing between two similar products, but between two different philosophies with quite different ramifications |
| 09:10 |
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jransom |
yes |
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jransom |
I see libraries in NZ who want to be handheld still with their LMS |
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jransom |
so they would be reluctant / scared / nerous / apprehensive / all of the above about going 'open' open source |
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jransom |
and libraies who have become dependendt on LL wuould feel the same - or just not be interested / able to cut loose |
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jransom |
and, it is a big hard learning curve - believe me I know - but so satisfying |
| 09:18 |
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jransom |
This was shown to me today: http://www.opensource.org/node/476 Its about how open source is about so much more than just the code |
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magnus |
interesting! |
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* mason |
waves.... |
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jransom |
hey babe :) |
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* magnus |
waves at mason and everyone else |
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mason |
i just have to say, in all lightness... isnt this story getting pretty fascinating... |
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reed |
It's fun to see so many well written and calm responses on the mailing list to the "hey lookie, I just bought Koha, I demand you give me all your lovins" dude |
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mason |
i mean its stressful for sure. some of this stuff is unpleasant to handle.... |
| 09:37 |
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mason |
i was just thinking before, out of all of the 24 vendors listed here.... |
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mason |
http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ |
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reed |
it's made for a very long day for me and I'm mostly just a spectator; it's definitely proven why FLOSS is so tasty |
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mason |
... i could safely bet - there wouldnt be a single vendor that would agree with ptfs/ll's position |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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mason |
and thats a pretty good indication of your community's opioion |
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jransom |
hi galen |
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mason |
oops, opinion |
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jransom |
I was thinking that it will make an interesting study later |
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jransom |
looking back |
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hdl_laptop |
hi galen |
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jransom |
and analysing the way vendors have 'managed' open source |
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jransom |
and looking at compnay culture / institutional culture etc |
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jransom |
really interesting in many ways. and i agree the many calm rational comments have been thoughtful and thought provoking |
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mason |
yeah, aggressive business tactics dont seem to work so well, in this situ... |
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mason |
anways, i talk to much.... |
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jransom |
indeed. and i have been thinking over how and why the PTFS / Koha Community 'thing' was so difficult |
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mason |
well.... ;) |
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jransom |
like we were talking different languages - it was extraordinary. I truly don't think has any idea at all how his approach was just so wrong on so many levels |
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mason |
lol, yeah pretty far gone |
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jransom |
interesting though - looking at it from the balcony. |
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kf |
jransom: I think you are right on that |
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mason |
the funniest bit for me , is that first letter to the koha-manage list re: ptfs |
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kf |
koha-manage? |
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jransom |
? |
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jransom |
I don't know either |
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mason |
i bet JY hasnt read *that* letter |
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kf |
mason: I think we dont know what letter you are talking about, because this was a closed list |
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mason |
kf: correct ;) |
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kf |
I really hope there are no more closed lists now |
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mason |
i'll tell you over a beer and pizza sometime... |
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jransom |
I don't believe there are, other than the 2 weeks of negotiations with PTFS which have been reported publically pretty comprehensively |
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kf |
jransom: thats ok - was not speaking about the committee, I know you need to communicate to each other |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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kf |
but I found it weird that ptfs send the first letter about koha.org only to vendors... |
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jransom |
oh that one. |
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kf |
and the community is more than vendors |
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jransom |
yeah -very weird. |
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mason |
feels kinda good talking about it now that its semi-public... |
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jransom |
yep absolutely |
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reed |
one thing I haven't seen mentioned on the list was their wikipedia edit |
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mason |
im curious to see how other people join the dots, on the mailing-lists... |
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jransom |
i'm glad that letter found its way online |
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jransom |
oh yeah |
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jransom |
maybe people dont know |
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gmcharlt |
jransom: it wasn't really mentioned outside of #koha |
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* chris_n |
thinks some posts show that some are still missing the point |
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reed |
being a vendor I'm shy to toss that onto the fire but I hope someone doe |
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reed |
s |
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jransom |
i loved chris's tweet: never engage in a wikipedia war with a librarian: they have tons of time and know how to reference things! |
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mason |
i feel a little guilty of chatting bout it on #public irc, but it feels kinda good ;) |
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jransom |
Kelly edited wikipedia entry for koha and toom out links to koha-community.rg and made them go to koha.org - which is no longer the home of Koha of course |
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mason |
the NZ-trademark thing is a pretty 'bold' move too... |
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kf |
jransom: I think worse was linking liblime to koha.org |
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jransom |
well its nuts: LEK is not Koha |
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mason |
heh, yeah the commits were funny/clumsy |
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jransom |
the NZ trademark application was a wee punch in the stomach so we know whose boss |
| 10:02 |
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mason |
but hay, having a proper community website back again is great! |
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kf |
colleagues waiting for me to go to lunch - bbl |
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jransom |
I was thinking, usually when a company 'buys' another with an established user group then the 'user group' would just roll over and do what they are told. |
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jransom |
cya Katrin |
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kf |
:) |
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magnus |
jransom: yeah, the NZ trademark application is hardly a friendly gesture |
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mason |
ah, those were the days... when enthusiastic members of the koha community, updated the koha.org website... |
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mason |
why...? |
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mason |
just because they wanted too!! |
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jransom |
poor JY must be thinking: "what is wrong with these people!" |
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magnus |
hehe |
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mason |
but then.. someone thought that the koha.org website contained a *magical* power |
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jransom |
whay dont they just admit its over - probably never imagined we'd wander off to another site |
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jransom |
lol |
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jransom |
it did - the community made it magical |
| 10:05 |
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jransom |
but without the community .... |
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mason |
he who controls the spice, controls the universe! |
| 10:06 |
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jransom |
thats great! |
| 10:06 |
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mason |
(dune quote...) |
| 10:07 |
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mason |
but yeah, great to have a proper website back.... |
| 10:08 |
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jransom |
yep - I love it. |
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jransom |
I can actually find stuff! |
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mason |
yunno.. the actual koha source-code itself is pretty darn worthless, without an enthusiast community to learn it, teach it, hack on it... |
| 10:10 |
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mason |
no offense to the src-code obv. |
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gmcharlt |
mason: I don't think anybody has added AI to it yet, so I don't think it can take offense :) |
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mason |
heh, click.. |
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mason |
lol, ever the programmer galen |
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mason |
yes, everyone wandering off to another paddock was genuis! |
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mason |
"let us in!, let us in! , its soo cold out here, outside the castle walls..." |
| 10:17 |
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jransom |
you're quite talkative tonight Mason :) |
| 10:19 |
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mason |
sometimes you've just go to laugh... |
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mason |
s/go/got/ |
| 10:20 |
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jransom |
its nice :) |
| 10:24 |
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mason |
i don't know how some people sleep at night, really...! |
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jransom |
when do you sleep? |
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chilts |
heh |
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* chilts |
sleeps at night |
| 10:28 |
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chilts |
I thought that was ... normal? |
| 10:28 |
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mason |
...risking something as beneficial as the koha project, for some lame short-term profit :/ |
| 10:29 |
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mason |
cant we all just get along...? |
| 10:29 |
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jransom |
i'm trying to catch up on all the testing i shuld have done this week |
| 10:29 |
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mason |
no, because *i* have to win! |
| 10:29 |
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jransom |
and filling work requests for chris :) |
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* mason |
quite impressed with the ranting.. |
| 10:34 |
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mason |
i dont think i'm capable of writing a tactful letter to the mailing-lists |
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jransom |
oh well get it off your chest then :) do remember this is a public place though - and logged |
| 10:35 |
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mason |
oh *that* much, i do know.. :) |
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jransom |
how do you do that? |
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chris_n |
and then your comments to follow that "tag" |
| 10:37 |
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jransom |
so replacing that - bit |
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chris_n |
snap |
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* chris_n |
wanders off to find breakfast |
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chilts |
heh, I'm just thinking of switching the light off |
| 10:39 |
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chilts |
except I'm too excited, got my concept logos from the designer today (gonna start a company sometime this year) :) |
| 10:39 |
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chris_n |
neat! |
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chilts |
I saw larsw's demo earlier today, he's done some great work!!! |
| 10:39 |
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chilts |
larsw++ |
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jransom |
oh that is exciting |
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chilts |
yeah, he's a superstar |
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kf |
back |
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mason |
im gonna wander off for some tea |
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jransom |
cya Mason |
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tirabo |
@wunder Cordoba, Argentina |
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munin |
tirabo: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 10.0�C (7:00 AM ART on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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mason |
yep, cu2 (teen-speak) |
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jransom |
@wunder Levin, New Zealand |
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munin |
jransom: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 14.6�C (10:49 PM NZST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising). |
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jransom |
@learn jransom as Joann Ransom. Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. |
| 10:50 |
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munin |
jransom: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:50 |
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jransom |
who is jransom |
| 10:50 |
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jransom |
what is jransom |
| 10:51 |
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jransom |
@games roulette |
| 10:51 |
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munin |
*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
| 10:51 |
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* munin |
reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 10:51 |
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gmcharlt |
@whatis jransom |
| 10:51 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: "jransom" could be Joann Ransom. Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. |
| 10:51 |
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jransom |
@games roulette |
| 10:51 |
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munin |
*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
| 10:51 |
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* munin |
reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 10:52 |
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jransom |
flip - 2 bangs of 2 |
| 10:52 |
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chilts |
@whatis gmcharlt |
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munin |
chilts: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
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gmcharlt |
not your lucky day |
| 10:52 |
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chilts |
:( |
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jransom |
@games roulette |
| 10:52 |
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munin |
jransom: *click* |
| 10:52 |
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jransom |
@games roulette |
| 10:52 |
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munin |
jransom: *click* |
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Amit_G |
heya galen, jransom |
| 10:52 |
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gmcharlt |
hi Amit_G |
| 10:52 |
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jransom |
heya AMit |
| 10:53 |
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jransom |
@games highball |
| 10:53 |
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munin |
jransom: Error: The "Games" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "highball" in it. Try "list Games" to see the commands in the "Games" plugin. |
| 10:53 |
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jransom |
list games |
| 10:53 |
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gmcharlt |
@list Games |
| 10:53 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette |
| 10:53 |
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jransom |
i want that funny drinks one |
| 10:53 |
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chilts |
@games dice |
| 10:53 |
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munin |
chilts: (games dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice. |
| 10:54 |
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chilts |
@games dice 3d6 |
| 10:54 |
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munin |
chilts: 6, 2, and 2 |
| 10:54 |
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chilts |
@games dice 3d6 |
| 10:54 |
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munin |
chilts: 2, 4, and 4 |
| 10:54 |
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chilts |
all even so far |
| 10:54 |
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jransom |
@games dice 3d3 |
| 10:54 |
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munin |
jransom: 3, 3, and 2 |
| 10:54 |
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jransom |
@games dice 3d3 |
| 10:54 |
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munin |
jransom: 2, 2, and 1 |
| 10:55 |
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jransom |
@games dice 3d3 |
| 10:55 |
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munin |
jransom: 2, 3, and 2 |
| 11:03 |
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kf |
looks like a game for roleplayers |
| 11:03 |
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kf |
@games dice 3d20 |
| 11:03 |
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munin |
kf: 18, 5, and 10 |
| 11:06 |
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kf |
is there a date for the next developer meetingß |
| 11:06 |
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kf |
ß=? |
| 11:07 |
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kf |
19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May? |
| 11:08 |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
| 11:09 |
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jransom |
you could check the up to date koha-community.org website which is maintained by community volunteers :) |
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kf |
jransom: thats what I did, the community meeting is there, but did not find the developer |
| 11:11 |
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kf |
updating my calendar so I wont miss anything this time |
| 11:12 |
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jransom |
oh ... i thought nicle added it today after i mucked it up |
| 11:14 |
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jransom |
so are there really meeting son the 5th, 6th and 7th? |
| 11:14 |
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kf |
7th= |
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kf |
can not type ? today... |
| 11:15 |
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jransom |
coomunity on 6th and general onthe 7th |
| 11:16 |
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jransom |
thats cool - they are on the events calender |
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magnus is now known as magnus_away |
| 11:16 |
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kf |
jransom: now im really confused |
| 11:17 |
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kf |
I tought 4th and 5th |
| 11:18 |
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gmcharlt |
kf: sorry, I shouldn't quote dates without looking at a calendar |
| 11:18 |
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kf |
jransom: thats aprils dates |
| 11:18 |
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gmcharlt |
but yes, next Tuesday, the 4th is the community meeting |
| 11:18 |
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jransom |
doh! |
| 11:18 |
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gmcharlt |
and Wednesday, the 5th, is the general meeting |
| 11:18 |
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jransom |
times? |
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kf |
ok - thx :) |
| 11:19 |
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kf |
19:00 UTC+0 |
| 11:19 |
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jransom |
and we have a kohacon meeting soemtime too |
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chris |
hi jdavidb |
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jdavidb |
Hi, chris. |
| 11:23 |
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chris |
tgif eh? |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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wanders off in search of caffeine |
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kmkale |
19.00 UTC is 00.30 midnight India time :( |
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chris |
:( |
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chris |
what time is it there now? |
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kmkale |
4.56 PM |
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CGI529 |
hi |
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chris |
hmm so 10.00 UTC is 3.30pm india eh? |
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chris |
sorry 4.30pm |
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CGI529 |
my hard drive was formatted unintentionaly.... I lost my all koha files |
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chris |
ouch! |
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chris |
morning nengard |
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kmkale |
oohh |
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nengard |
morning all can someone remind me of the git syntax if there were merge errors - after i fix the files i do something with --continue |
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nengard |
but i don't know what :) |
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nengard |
hi chris |
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chris |
are you doing a merge or a rebase? |
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CGI529 |
Then I install window, on which viruses attacked that I again partitioned it. Now I installed window... How can I recover file |
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nengard |
rebase |
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jransom |
by crikey mjray writes a good letter |
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chris |
fix the file |
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nengard |
did that |
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kmkale |
CGI529 why not give Ubuntu a try and forget about viruses |
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chris |
git add |
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nengard |
did that |
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chris |
git rebase --continue |
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nengard |
there it is :) I did git rebase origing --continue and it didn't work :) |
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CGI529 |
my hard drive was formatted unintentionaly.... I lost my all koha files |
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CGI529 |
I again partitioned |
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CGI529 |
how can I recover files? |
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chris |
windows or linux? |
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jransom |
HI jwagner |
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jwagner |
Morning |
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jransom |
nice to see you |
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* jdavidb |
waves to jwagner |
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jwagner |
I'm here every day.... |
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jransom |
I know ... but you know... stuff |
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CGI529 |
I was on debian/linux |
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nengard |
so - of course there were a ton of commits last night and today I'm out of the office so I can't work on updating the manual to reflect those changes!!! |
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chris |
usually when jransom is asleep tho |
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nengard |
time to head out - thanks chris |
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CGI529 |
Now I installed window |
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chris |
no idea sorry CGI529 |
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nengard |
and great responses from all while I was sleeping!! see you soon! |
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jransom |
cya nengard |
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CGI529 |
Chris: do u have knowledge of recovering data from linux plateform.. if yes than I install debian |
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chris |
not once you have repartitioned and installed all over it i dont |
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CGI529 |
ok |
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gmcharlt |
slef: since we seem to have give you US-style presidential campagin TV debates, could you send us Question Time? |
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gmcharlt |
thanks! |
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kmkale |
on bugs.koha.org how do I see a list of all open bugs? |
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chris |
hi paul_p |
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chris |
kmkale: you have to do a search |
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paul_p |
hello world ! |
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paul_p |
back from Amsterdam ! |
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jransom |
Hello Paul |
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kmkale |
chris: oh so i have to know what to search for. :( |
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chris |
do advanced |
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chris |
and if you just hit submit there |
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chris |
without changing anything |
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chris |
you will get all open ones |
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kmkale |
OK |
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kmkale |
Thanks |
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kmkale |
HEAD 556 bugs found |
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chris |
sounds plausible |
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jransom |
is there a particular bug area you are looking for? |
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kmkale |
no just looking around |
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kmkale |
whats the correct git command to update dev install to head? |
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kmkale |
i have only applied the icu patch |
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chris |
what branch are you on? |
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kmkale |
umm head? master? |
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chris |
right |
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gmcharlt |
git status |
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kmkale |
havent selected a branch while following the git usage wiki doc |
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gmcharlt |
will tell you |
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chris |
if you are on master |
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chris |
then git fetch |
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chris |
git rebase origin/master |
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kmkale |
ok. so when you guys approve a patch where does it go? master? I mean is that THE latest? |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: nothing fresher :) |
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joetho |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]rmal&bug_severity |
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joetho |
705 bugs found] |
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kmkale |
then what about the 3.4 branch? |
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kmkale |
is it derived from master? |
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chris |
doesnt exist |
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kmkale |
or 3.2? |
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chris |
3.2 is master currently, when its closer to release, it will branch to 3.2.x and master will be for work for 3.4 |
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kmkale |
oh. OK. |
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kmkale |
so currently we have master and 3.0.x branches right? |
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chris |
yep |
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kmkale |
now in a dev install after I do a git fetch and git rebase origin/master do I need to run through the script based install part again? |
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chris |
nope just the web installer |
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kmkale |
gr8. |
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jransom |
3 pages down - and only 5 tiny bugs found ! |
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jransom |
off to bed; taking teenage girls to Wgtn tomorrow. No doubt we'll end up at Te papa ... probly see Chris there with his boys |
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chris |
:) |
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kmkale |
i can see 556 bugs in HEAD and 154 in rel_3_2 under advanced search so how are these two different? |
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kmkale |
Sorry if I am bothering you with stupid questions. I am just trying to understand the structure |
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chris |
head is kinda meaningless |
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chris |
its better to file against a version |
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kmkale |
so for now master = rel_3_2 correct? |
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chris |
yes |
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kmkale |
great. enjoy the weekend all. off for a swim.. |
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kmkale |
bye |
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owen |
Hello #koha |
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* owen |
catches up on the gossip in the log |
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chris |
heh |
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Nate |
morning everyone |
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Nate |
chris_n, nice post! |
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* paul_p |
discovers ptfs/ll toughts... (it shows clearly their misunderstandings...) |
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paul_p |
we really took the right decision when not agreeing to a conf call (ie : it was not "cancelling it"...) |
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owen |
This morning my worry is that jdavidb and jwagner will be forbidden from participating here |
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paul_p |
owen, right (i'm afraid...) |
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chris |
still here so far |
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chris |
so not yet at least |
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jwagner |
Nobody is forbidding us anything. But I don't mind saying that I've been personally hurt by a lot of comments recently and I am increasingly uncomfortable about staying online. |
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owen |
jwagner: I'm sorry if you've been hurt by any comments here. We're all pretty steamed about the statements coming from your colleagues, but we really appreciate your participation |
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owen |
jwagner: You and jdavidb represent the best possible way for PTFS to participate and collaborate, and I had high hopes for the future based on that |
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* gmcharlt |
echoes owen |
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* magnus_away |
echoes owen too |
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magnus_away is now known as magnus |
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* kf |
echoes owen too |
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* collum |
as well. |
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kf |
I still hope that the problems can be solved. |
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* paul_p |
echoes owen & send thankfull waves to jwagner & jdavidb . Sincerely |
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owen |
slef++ # for his LibLime thoughts on the list |
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owen |
Hi schuster |
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schuster |
Hello. Near tears over all this discussion. |
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chris |
http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]April/011253.html <-- focus on the important thngs, like debian packaging and bug fixing, everythng else is distraction |
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gmcharlt |
if any users of auth_with_ldap are around, would appreciate a test of the patch just sent for bug 4256 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4256 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt gmail.com, ASSIGNED, C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm replication broken and corrupts data when used without update |
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owen |
"apt-get install koha" I love it! |
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magnus |
well said, chris |
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owen |
Cute jquery trick: http://moronicbajebus.com/blog/jstackmenu/files/ |
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magnus |
apt_get_install_koha++ |
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chris |
another thing to look at |
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chris |
node.js |
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collum |
Thanks for pushing all the patches gmcharlt |
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schuster |
gmcharlt++ |
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schuster |
gmcharlt karma+ |
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schuster |
karma gmcharlt + |
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schuster |
karma |
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magnus |
@karma gmcharlt |
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munin |
magnus: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 127 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 126. |
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schuster |
Thanks magnus... I dabble but never become proficient in anything! |
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magnus |
being proficient in munin should probably be one of the less important things in one's life... ;-) |
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owen |
Not until munin finally learns how to do my taxes |
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gmcharlt |
owen: that would be $39.95 per return |
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* chris_n |
will take two at that price :) |
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wizzyrea |
owen: that is cery cute |
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wizzyrea |
larsw++ |
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wizzyrea |
larsw++ |
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wizzyrea |
larsw++ |
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collum |
I will second that. larsw++ |
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kf |
@karma larsw |
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munin |
kf: Karma for "larsw" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. |
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chris_n |
nice feature by kyle |
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owen |
"Surely an NDA is not part of a standard service contract." At least not until now! |
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gmcharlt |
the very best of cataloging humor - http://twitter.com/FakeRDA |
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schuster |
NDA is standard for many Proprietary systems... |
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paul_p |
joanna Hause ++ |
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paul_p |
even if she never comes here ! |
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* paul_p |
would be happy to have more libraries saying what they think... |
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chris_n |
schuster: an NDA on a customer service agreement and covering comments on QOS? |
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* chris_n |
owns nearly half of an IT support company and we do nothing of the sort there |
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chris_n |
owen: what do you think: our librarians would like to see the renewal date (if there is one) displayed on circulation.pl in the checkout tab |
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owen |
chris_n: Where would you put it? |
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chris_n |
perhaps between the "checked out on" column and the "call no" column...? |
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owen |
I think the amount of data we're cramming into that table is becoming really unmanageable |
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owen |
Would you want just the last renewal date? |
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owen |
...because there might be more than one |
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chris_n |
I think so |
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chris_n |
is there somewhere else that they can get that info? |
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owen |
I don't think so |
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chris_n |
circ history does not show it either |
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chris_n |
but maybe that is a more appropriate location to have it displayed |
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owen |
I would love for the circ history page to be more informative and more usable |
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owen |
Right now it doesn't make much sense to me |
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owen |
What need would be fulfilled by adding the renewal information? When do your librarians find themselves wanting to know? |
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chris_n |
there was a patron who contested a fine as having been calculated from the original date of issue |
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chris_n |
the librarians seem to think that they could better show the patron by knowing the data of renewal |
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owen |
Based on that use case I'd definitely say a change to the circ history page would be a better solution |
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* chris_n |
thinks they could just reverse engineer the thing personally :) |
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chris_n |
but I try to keep them happy even if I cannot anyone else |
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nahuel |
hi |
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nahuel |
people :) |
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nahuel |
any marc21 expert ? |
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owen |
Hi nahuel |
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chris_n |
@marc 021 |
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munin |
chris_n: unknown tag 021 |
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chris_n |
opps |
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* owen |
points at gmcharlt |
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nahuel |
héhé no |
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chris_n |
@marc 040 |
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munin |
chris_n: The MARC code for or the name of the organization(s) that created the original bibliographic record, assigned MARC content designation and transcribed the record into machine-readable form, or modified (except for the addition of holdings symbols) an existing MARC record. These data and the code in 008/39 (Cataloging source) specify the parties responsible for the bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,6,8] |
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nahuel |
a real expert of marc21 :) |
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nahuel |
intelectual expert |
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chris_n |
@marc 040$c |
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munin |
chris_n: unknown tag 040$c |
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chris_n |
munin you've disappointed me |
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munin |
chris_n: Error: "you've" is not a valid command. |
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nahuel |
We have a lot of documents for a same collection |
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nahuel |
and a lot of records for this collection |
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nahuel |
each record represent a part of contract |
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nahuel |
where can we specify this ? |
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kf |
@marc 040c |
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munin |
kf: unknown tag 040c |
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gmcharlt |
@marc 773 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Information concerning the host item for the constituent unit described in the record (vertical relationship). In the case of host items that are serial or multi-volume in nature, information in subfields $g and $q is necessary to point to the exact location of the component part within the bibliographic item. (Repeatable) [b,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,3,6,7,8] |
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gmcharlt |
nahuel: ^^ as one possibility |
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nahuel |
okay |
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chris_n |
ahh... the marc-master has spoken :) |
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nahuel |
thanks |
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nahuel |
héhé |
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chris_n |
owen: I may make a few changes to the circ history page and send the patch to you to check out if you don't mind |
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owen |
Sounds great chris_n |
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kf |
have a nice weekend all |
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CGI359 |
Ping |
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owen |
Do you have a question CGI359 ? |
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CGI359 |
Nae, just testing the software - thanks though. |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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jdavidb |
hi, cait. :) |
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jwagner |
hi cait |
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nahuel |
do you know what is "control-number" in marc21 ? |
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cait |
hi jwagner and jdavidb |
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cait |
nahuel 001? |
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cait |
@marc 001 |
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munin |
cait: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] |
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cait |
our union catalog identifier is carried in 001 |
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cait |
@marc 003 |
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munin |
cait: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). [] |
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wizzyrea |
owen: you about? I have a not necessarily koha related question for youy |
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owen |
Present! |
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wizzyrea |
ok, I'm looking at www.atchisonlibrary.org in IE 7, and the menus are popping behind the headers for the posts |
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wizzyrea |
and I'm totally clueless as to why |
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wizzyrea |
>.< |
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wizzyrea |
don't take more than 5 minutes to look at it, if you have a minute to look at it at all |
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wizzyrea |
or rather, if you don't have time... no worries |
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owen |
Of course |
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owen |
I like the design |
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wizzyrea |
it's pretty, isn't it? |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea, for what it's worth, it seems to look OK in IE8 |
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owen |
Looking at Bug 4418 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4418 normal, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, required patron attributes not red |
| 17:11 |
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owen |
"When a patron attribute is required it should be in red like other required fields" |
| 17:11 |
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owen |
You can make a patron attribute required? |
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* owen |
is trying to find it |
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magnus_away |
owen: BorrowerMandatoryField http://koha-community.org/docu[…]l/?ch=c19#AEN2231 |
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magnus_away |
ooops i'm supposed to be away... |
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owen |
Those fields are already in red. I assumed the bug was referring to Patron Attribute Types |
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nahuel |
gmcharlt, owen |
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nahuel |
why opac detail search for authors only between 700 and 720 |
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nahuel |
and it doesn't look in 110 ? |
| 17:32 |
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gmcharlt |
hmm - 110 is a corporate author, thus different index, but no reason not to hyperlink |
| 17:32 |
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nahuel |
ok |
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slef |
hi #koha |
| 17:51 |
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slef |
my postings to kohalists.katipo - too much, enough, more? |
| 17:53 |
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slef |
and seredipitiously given what I was writing about, lisnews just sent me "Ten Reasons Why Professional Librarian is an Oxymoron2 http://bit.ly/cDtgps |
| 17:56 |
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owen |
slef: I'm enjoying hearing your comments on the list. Keep it up. |
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wizzyrea |
slef: I always like to hear you say you feel better after reflection :) |
| 17:58 |
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slef |
wizzyrea: it read better than "after sleep" ;-) |
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slef |
I think I meant serendipitiously. |
| 18:01 |
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wizzyrea |
oh dear lol |
| 18:02 |
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slef |
today has not been a golden one |
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slef |
delays which I could do nothing about |
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slef |
8.25 hours worked, 7pm and still hours to work |
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wizzyrea |
owen: can you get any more awesome |
| 18:04 |
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wizzyrea |
I mean really. |
| 18:04 |
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wizzyrea |
excellent blog post, chum. |
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owen |
Thanks, I could have gone into great detail on that one but I felt like publishing something fairly quick |
| 18:08 |
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slef |
link please? |
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owen |
http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=536 |
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slef |
tyvm |
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slef |
yippee |
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* slef |
is a statistician at heart still |
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slef |
hrm, NonCommercial licensed :-/ |
| 18:12 |
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owen |
slef: I'm sure you could teach me many things about smart statistics. I don't have any training |
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slef |
I wasn't all that successful as a teacher. |
| 18:13 |
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slef |
That might have been the UK education sector as much as me, though. |
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slef |
I guess we need more libraries using Koha for a few years to be able to get enough of them interested in some really smart stats. |
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gmcharlt |
slef: Bob Molyneux at Equinox is *extremely* interested in any and all kinds of library usage statistics |
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slef |
If anyone's ever interested in funding a stray statistician to analyse them, I'd love to get an enquiry. I think I've had two usage projects in the last 5 years. |
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slef |
First class honours on the first degree, but sadly I failed my doctorate in a blaze of questions at an oral exam years after I finished the research (I didn't revise well enough IMO - others have blamed university politics, but I'm not sure). |
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slef |
I don't remember exactly when the exam was, but I think I was working for TTLLP/software.coop, so it must have been two years or more after I finished studying. |
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slef |
anyway, back to my inboxes |
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slef |
bgkriegel will wonder if this is #koha or #failedStatsDoctors |
| 18:36 |
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bgkriegel |
yes I do :) |
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bgkriegel |
I never finished my PHD in Physics |
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owen |
Has someone begun the process of moving our Bugzilla database or are we waiting on a community decision? |
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owen |
Maybe what I'm remembering is that git.koha-community.org was moving forward |
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wizzyrea |
yes, owen, that is set up |
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wizzyrea |
idk about bugs though |
| 19:03 |
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gmcharlt |
I think chris is organizing hosting by Catalyst |
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owen |
I'm steamed enough right now that just seeing that @liblime.com address from Bugzilla irritates me |
| 19:05 |
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wizzyrea |
I guess the worst problem |
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wizzyrea |
is getting the current bugs out |
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schuster |
Laying low don't want to get shot. |
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wizzyrea |
aww, you won't get shot |
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brendan |
we won't shout you schuster |
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brendan |
but munin he may |
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wizzyrea |
or shout at you |
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brendan |
@roulette |
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munin |
brendan: *click* |
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owen |
You're a Texan schuster, do you guys pack heat 24/7? |
| 19:06 |
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wizzyrea |
... |
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brendan |
hehe - s/shout/shot |
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* slef |
puts some cold water on owen and turns on a fan to clear the steam |
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* owen |
hisses |
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schuster |
Some do it's our right isn't it.... I'm actually from Minnesota where they carry shotguns in the back window of the truck mounted, loaded and ready to go. |
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slef |
for some reason, pack heat always makes me think about animals on heat |
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slef |
not the image I wanted to go to dinner with - thanks all :-/ |
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slef |
bbl |
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schuster |
hmmmm steak on a grill... |
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slef |
schuster: not what I meant, you know? |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: in Alaska, somes we just used autombiles to hunt moose. why settle for a measly shotgun :) |
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gmcharlt |
(for those wondering: no, not really, but there was a program to donate the moose carcass to charity or a family after a car-moose collision) |
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* owen |
suspected gmcharlt was using the term "we" loosely |
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chris |
was there anything left of the car??? |
| 19:09 |
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slef |
not in the ones I've seen |
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schuster |
slef - I tried to fix the image you painted... |
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slef |
bbl |
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gmcharlt |
chris: no, a moose will total even the largest of SUVs |
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schuster |
Same with Deer in Minnesota. You hit one it was time for a new car. |
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chris |
ok time to get the boy up to take to soccer |
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chris |
for the record, taking my 3 year old son to play football trumped a phone call to the US |
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* chris |
heads off |
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schuster |
Always should... :) |
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* chris_n |
has to move quickly to avoid the avalanche of an overflowing inbox :) |
| 19:15 |
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brendan |
chris_ overflow with patches is good ;) |
| 19:19 |
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chris_n |
yup; all three lists have been buzzing today |
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| 19:28 |
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wizzyrea |
boo no nengard |
| 19:28 |
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wizzyrea |
@later tell nengard of course I'd be happy to work on getting the translations translated to wp |
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munin |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:29 |
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schuster |
owen - I need your professional opinion on web design. |
| 19:29 |
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schuster |
I'm looking at using some images - what is the optimum size when you might have say 8-12 on a page and want the page to load fairly fast. |
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* wizzyrea |
wasn't asked, but I'd try to keep each one under 100k |
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wizzyrea |
K |
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schuster |
I was hopeful you would respond anyway... |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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schuster |
I'm working on the picture driven interface of predefines searches geared toward k-2 students. |
| 19:31 |
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schuster |
so what would be the opitumum square do you think? |
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owen |
I would probably go lower, maybe 50 or 60KB. |
| 19:32 |
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owen |
...but that's just off the top of my head, no research to back it up |
| 19:33 |
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owen |
schuster: optimum square? |
| 19:33 |
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schuster |
I'm finding some great pictures in public domain or CC - so I should be able to share what I end up with if people want it. This picture I have is 1800 x 2700... so yes size wise.. |
| 19:34 |
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schuster |
I'm going to use fireworks after I have all of my images to resize them to a standard size, HxW as well... |
| 19:40 |
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schuster |
another question - I want to find all of the bibs that have no items attached... suggestions for an sql? |
| 19:41 |
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owen |
schuster: Did you look here already? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=sql_library |
| 19:42 |
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owen |
I see it, "All bibs without items" |
| 19:42 |
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owen |
SELECT biblio.biblionumber, biblio.title |
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owen |
FROM biblio |
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owen |
LEFT JOIN items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber |
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owen |
WHERE items.itemnumber is NULL |
| 19:43 |
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wizzyrea |
^^ love the report library |
| 19:43 |
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wizzyrea |
should mention that jwagner has put up TONS of those reports. I"m so grateful for her contribution there. |
| 19:45 |
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schuster |
Well yes there it is.. I looked, but didn't go down the the catalog section as the "contents list" didn't indicate the other reports my bad... |
| 19:45 |
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schuster |
I did go there first, just didn't go deep enough. sorry to bother everyone. |
| 19:45 |
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wizzyrea |
no no it's fine :) |
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* wizzyrea |
thinks of yet something else to link directly from the koha-community website |
| 19:46 |
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schuster |
wizzyrea I was thinking that too, but didn't want to put too much up there... |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
? why not? |
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schuster |
Even it if was in the support section with the listserves. |
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schuster |
Don't want to overwhelm people with stuff. |
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wizzyrea |
oh pish posh. Organization is the key to overcoming overwhelmedness :D |
| 19:48 |
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wizzyrea |
Would you like to buy an O? Circular and sweet, a nearly perfect circle, nearly good enough to eat. You can sing a little song with it like so: Ohh, Ohh, Ohh... |
| 19:48 |
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* wizzyrea |
may have spent a little too much time with sesame street. |
| 19:49 |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml6Yqu-spnM |
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chris_n |
hmm... must be Friday :) |
| 19:49 |
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chris_n |
owen++ # for a nice koha blog entry today |
| 19:49 |
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chris_n |
very nifty |
| 19:50 |
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wizzyrea |
A NICKEL! shh! a nickel! Riiiight. |
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owen |
?! |
| 19:50 |
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wizzyrea |
see: above linked video |
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* wizzyrea |
is tired of serious talk >.> |
| 19:51 |
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wizzyrea |
injecting a bit of levity |
| 19:51 |
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wizzyrea |
Hee! |
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cait |
wizzyrea++ |
| 19:53 |
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chris_n |
the google chart stuff is very cool |
| 19:54 |
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owen |
They can turn out pretty but they're a pain in the butt to put together |
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chris_n |
what data format do you use for your charts? |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea: is there a section of the koha-community.org site appropriate to linking to very helpful things like owen's blog? |
| 19:59 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: I will dream about Os |
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chris_n |
maybe on the support page |
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rhcl |
cait, are you on the right channel? |
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cait |
rhcl: its not my fault, its wizzyrea's - she let me watch this sesame street video |
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wizzyrea |
I did. It's true. |
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rhcl |
Ohhhhhhh. I see now. The alphabet "O". Yea, I didn't watch the vid. |
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cait |
rhcl: what did you think about me? |
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rhcl |
Nothing nothing. Nothing at all. It was wizzy. |
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chris_n |
rhcl: or a donut |
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owen |
Have a good weekend everyone |
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chris_n |
which are conveniently shaped like an O |
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cait |
hm donuts |
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rhcl |
Bagels |
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cait |
maccaroni? |
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gmcharlt |
cheerios |
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gmcharlt |
the bane of parents everywhere |
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cait |
onion rings |
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wizzyrea |
spaghetti-o's |
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rhcl |
Marconi? |
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cait |
you can cut them in rings |
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cait |
oh marconi ... goes to look that up |
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rhcl |
My connection to the subject was radio and digital communications. |
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rhcl |
Marconi = early development of radio |
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cait |
are marconi o-shaped? |
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rhcl |
and concurrent with the development of Morse code, which is a digital mode, although commonly analog encoded. |
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rhcl |
and digital = "1's" and "0's", although Morse is, of course, a trinary system (long on, short on, off). |
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cait |
oh |
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rhcl |
So that's how my mind made the association of Marconi and "0" |
| 20:10 |
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rhcl |
I suppose many other people probably don't think like that. |
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cait |
oh not sure |
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cait |
I like the way your mind works :) |
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rhcl |
Hummm |
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rhcl |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcgzuDdlZUA |
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Nate |
have a great weekend everyone! |
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wizzyrea |
bye Nate |
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wizzyrea |
aw just that too late |
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chris_n |
rhcl: are you a radio geek? |
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brendan |
@roulette |
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munin |
brendan: *click* |
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wizzyrea |
owen: nuke the return all |
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cait |
owen: return all and perhaps renew all too |
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cait |
@roulette |
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munin |
*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
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* munin |
reloads and spins the chambers. |
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cait |
oooh |
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chris_n |
off to the bee hives |
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wizzyrea |
ooh, fun |
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schuster |
by all thanks for the fellowship... |
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schuster |
have a great weekend - we have a 9 year old baseball tournement tomorrow and basketball tonight... Can't wait to come back to work on Monday to rest! |
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cait |
ok, time to sleep - bye #koha and nice weekend to all of you |
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librarywebchic |
I have a Koha question I'm hoping someone here can answer. Does anyone know if the Edition tab code - http://blogs.liblime.com/devel[…]-xisbn-thingisbn/ is part of the main Koha code or an add-on |
| 21:32 |
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wizzyrea |
afaik that is in koha now |
| 21:32 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, in fact I'm sure it is |
| 21:32 |
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wizzyrea |
this is from my current as of today 3.2 alpha box: http://screencast.com/t/MDEwYTA3 |
| 21:33 |
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wizzyrea |
FRBR is definitely IN, and not an addon. |
| 21:33 |
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wizzyrea |
(note: in 2007, when this post was written, LibLime was contributing all code they wrote to the community. It was lovely.) |
| 21:34 |
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librarywebchic |
thank you. I was trying to find out because it is my understanding that some of the Koha things Liblime didn't contribute but I wasn't sure about this one |
| 21:34 |
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librarywebchic |
so I appreciate the info. didn't want to point people to something they couldn't get |
| 21:35 |
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wizzyrea |
nope, it's in. you're definitely right that there are a lot of things they wrote that aren't currently in. Fortunately, in many cases others have picked up those features and, while behind LL's progress, are making it in. |
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wizzyrea |
sure thing :) |
| 21:35 |
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wizzyrea |
where ya from |
| 21:35 |
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wizzyrea |
? |
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librarywebchic |
i work at OCLC. my name is Karen Coombs and I'm the Product Manager for the Developer Network |
| 21:35 |
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wizzyrea |
Ah! |
| 21:35 |
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wizzyrea |
hi there :) |
| 21:36 |
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wizzyrea |
< Liz Rea, Northeast Kansas Library System |
| 21:36 |
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librarywebchic |
I was intrigued that Koha was using the xISBN service for that tab and wanted to make sure Koha folks knew we'd increased the non-commercial free limit to 1000 queries per day |
| 21:36 |
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wizzyrea |
omg, no, I didn't know that |
| 21:36 |
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wizzyrea |
maybe others did |
| 21:36 |
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librarywebchic |
the change just happened this week |
| 21:36 |
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wizzyrea |
but I didn't, but THANKS for the info, I'll go put a post on the site about it! |
| 21:36 |
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librarywebchic |
no thank you |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
that's great! |
| 21:37 |
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gmcharlt |
hi Karen |
| 21:37 |
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gmcharlt |
thanks for the news |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
absolutely :) |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
stop by anytime. Friday afternoons are quiet here |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
but usually lots of folks around |
| 21:37 |
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librarywebchic |
also if any Koha users are OCLC cataloging members getting and even higher daily usage is free for them. There is a form to fill out but that is it no $$ |
| 21:37 |
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librarywebchic |
if you are a cataloging member |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
are there any official press materials to announce these changes? |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
(would link to them) |
| 21:39 |
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librarywebchic |
we post changes to these services to the developer network listserv and the Developer Network blog - http://worldcat.org/devnet/blo[…]l_usage_limi.html |
| 21:40 |
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wizzyrea |
cool beans, will add that one to my reader so I can stay on top of it. :) |
| 21:41 |
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wizzyrea |
ok to say that I talked to you? |
| 21:41 |
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wizzyrea |
or no? |
| 21:41 |
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wizzyrea |
or just that I saw it on the blog ;) |
| 21:41 |
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librarywebchic |
either is fine |
| 21:41 |
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wizzyrea |
okies |
| 21:42 |
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librarywebchic |
I'm trying to find the official press release too but for some reason I don't think it went out |
| 21:42 |
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wizzyrea |
erg, I hate it when that happens. And I do crap like that all the time "what, you mean I didn't send it out? *sigh*" |
| 21:42 |
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librarywebchic |
LOL |
| 21:43 |
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brendan |
librarywebchic++ |
| 21:43 |
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librarywebchic |
also, I'd be happy to talk to Koha developers about other web services OCLC has that are free for noncommercial use that might be of interest to Koha folks, particularly from an online catalog perspective |
| 21:44 |
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wizzyrea |
we have a couple of meetings here next week, I imagine that if you wanted to be on the agenda that would be welcome and encouraged |
| 21:44 |
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* wizzyrea |
tries to find the agenda... hopes it's been put up |
| 21:45 |
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librarywebchic |
there are some nice things people are doing with WorldCat Identities. One example is http://search.trln.org/search?[…]+twain&Ntk=Author |
| 21:45 |
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librarywebchic |
what day? I can try to come if my schedule isn't full of meetings? |
| 21:46 |
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wizzyrea |
May 5, http://www.wolframalpha.com/in[…]4%2019:00%20UTC+0 |
| 21:46 |
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wizzyrea |
19:00UTC+0 |
| 21:47 |
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wizzyrea |
the link should help you convert |
| 21:47 |
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chris |
librarywebchic: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]0614d8b0c0efe9bec |
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wizzyrea |
lord help me, it's either 1 or 2 pm here (CDT) |
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wizzyrea |
chris: NICE! |
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wizzyrea |
you are on top of it |
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chris |
well i just did that right now |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
I know! |
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librarywebchic |
drat meeting at that time |
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wizzyrea |
ON |
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wizzyrea |
top |
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wizzyrea |
of |
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wizzyrea |
it |
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wizzyrea |
YOU |
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wizzyrea |
it |
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chris |
so not really :) on to it would have done it before we were told :) |
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wizzyrea |
har de har |
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wizzyrea |
well you do live in the future. |
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chris |
woo weee wooo |
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librarywebchic |
you guys are awesome. This is what I love about open source community software building! |
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* brendan |
would love a nice OCLC connextion client plugin for koha (other something like that) I know a few of our clients would love it |
| 21:49 |
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wizzyrea |
:D it's what we like too. |
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brendan |
it's on sekjal wish list to program |
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wizzyrea |
brendan: it's a long list |
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brendan |
yeah all of our programming wish lists seems to be big |
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librarywebchic |
will take that as a note. Know some folks at the IDS project - http://idsproject.org who are interested in the same thing and have done some interesting things connecting to Connexion. |
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wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/oclc[…]-xisbn-and-xissn/ |
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librarywebchic |
can you guys send me a note coombsk[at]oclc.org when you have your next developer get together? I'd like to try to make it |
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librarywebchic |
in the meantime, if you want to see some of the neat things you can do with OCLC web services you can check out my demos at http://www.librarywebchic.net/mashups . |
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chris |
cool |
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wizzyrea |
sure, we also list them on our wiki at wiki.koha.org (though the web presence is a bit in flux at the moment... if you can't find them you can stop by here and we can direct you to the right page) |
| 21:54 |
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brendan |
cool nice resources librarywebchic |
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librarywebchic |
the source code is available at http://www.worldcat.org/devnet/code/devnetDemos/ |
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librarywebchic |
happy to help and I'm happy to do a presentation for the Koha community. just need to find a time that works! |
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wizzyrea |
bookmarked |
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wizzyrea |
:) I'm sure we'll talk again |
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chris |
wizzyrea: is there an rss feed for items marked as events |
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chris |
on k-c.org? |
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chris |
might be handy for librarywebchic |
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wizzyrea |
yea, there's an RSS feed for every category |
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wizzyrea |
sec |
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wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/category/events/feed/ |
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chris |
as we always post the meetings on there as events before they take place |
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wizzyrea |
we also ^^ what he said |
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brendan |
wizzyrea it's so nice to have a nice responsive webadmin |
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brendan |
wizzyrea++ |
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chris |
hmm |
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chris |
cool, except i thnk the report is tagged as an event, need to fixinate that |
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chris |
i can do that |
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librarywebchic |
thanks all. Have a good weekend. will keep my eyes on the event feed. |
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chris |
except i cant heh |
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chris |
foiled by a checkbox i cant uncheck |
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chris |
well that was the best use of the cgi irc script in years |
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chris_n |
back |
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chris_n |
OCLC visit... cool |
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wizzyrea |
you would need to remove the attached event, chris |
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* chris_n |
is happy since the bees were today :) |
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chris |
ahhhhh |
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chris_n |
nice email from vicki |
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chris |
in that case, i'll leave it |
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brendan |
chris how was football |
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chris |
a bit cold, but fun |
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chris |
im glad its only a 20 min game |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0�C (2:50 PM PDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 6 am PDT Saturday... |
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brendan |
I see a walk on the beach in my future |
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brendan |
now only it munin could check the tide |
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chris |
@wunder wellington nz |
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munin |
chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on May 01, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
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* gmcharlt |
sees dinner in his future and seeks to grab it |
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chris |
:) |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
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munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 30.0�C (5:43 PM EDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
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brendan |
wow 30 that's hot |
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chris_n |
well, I have a recital to attend with two children playing piano, flute, and violin |
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brendan |
looks like three instruments ? |
| 22:18 |
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chris_n |
my younger son plays violin and my oldest daughter plays piano and flute |
| 22:18 |
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chris_n |
actually the son play piano too, just not tonight |
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* chris_n |
wonders where pianohacker has been, speaking of pianos |
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chris_n |
@seen pianohacker |
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munin |
chris_n: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 6 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <pianohacker> that's all :) |
| 22:20 |
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chris_n |
so is there any problem with Google's TOS when using google book covers with Koha? |
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hdl_laptop |
none that I am aware of |
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brendan |
ah pianohacker I miss him |
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brendan |
heya hdl_laptop |
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hdl_laptop |
hi brendan |
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chris_n |
heya hdl_laptop |
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hdl_laptop |
how are you? |
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chris_n |
great :) |
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chris_n |
kinda late for you isn't it? |
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hdl_laptop |
chris_n: yes. |
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collum |
@wunder 41017 |
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munin |
collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 27.2�C (6:30 PM EDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect from Saturday evening through Monday morning... |
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collum |
Hope the rain comes after the kid's first baseball game of the season. |
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chris_n |
sounds like a busy weekend for kids around the globe |
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chris_n |
time to go, bbl |
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collum |
sumer is icumen in |
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