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rhcl_away |
Hey Jo, you still here? |
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Jo: catch you later, I'm leaving for the day |
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chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 4.6�C (7:24 PM EST on February 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect from Friday afternoon through late Friday night... |
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prepares his raft |
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Jo |
yep |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt about? |
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chris_n |
@later tell gmcharlt: it does not look as if this patch made it in yet: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]hment.cgi?id=1401 |
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chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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works through his buglist for a bit |
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ok, mini-bugsqush session over |
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g'night #koha |
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Amit |
hi brendan |
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Amit |
morning #koha |
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braedon|work |
would someone be able to check searching nat library of NZ using the z39.50 search in Koha for me? It doesn't seem to work from Koha, but goes fine from my own perl script. |
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aaaaaafafl;jflfjfdffdddfd |
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s |
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braedon|work |
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braedon|work |
ok SelfishMan |
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SelfishMan |
oops. xon/xoff issue with screen |
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braedon|work |
lol |
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braedon|work |
so no one around that could check nat lib for me? |
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braedon|work |
damn |
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braedon|work |
well, goodnight #koha |
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braedon|work |
natlib will have to wait until monday |
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hi Amit |
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brendan |
good day to you |
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Morning #koha |
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chris |
hi europe |
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kf |
hi chris :) |
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nahuel |
hi Kiwiz |
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Ropuch |
Hi kf, chris, nahuel |
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nahuel |
hi Ropuch |
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nahuel |
and kf |
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nahuel |
and chris |
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nahuel |
and all :) |
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Ropuch |
While adding an item to a basket i get "No ACQ framework, using default. You should create a framework with code ACQ, the items framework would be used" |
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kf |
you can add one call it acq and modify 952 fields to your needs in acquisition |
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Ropuch |
kf: thanks! |
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kf |
I think its a really nice idea - would think one specific framework for serials would be nice too :) |
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Ropuch |
Yup |
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Ropuch |
:) |
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kf |
ropuch: have you an alpha-installtion where you can test something for me? |
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Ropuch |
kf: i have head |
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Ropuch |
But I can set up alpha if you give me 5 minutes |
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kf |
no head is fine |
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kf |
can yu tell me your current setting for QueryAutoTruncate? |
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kf |
we have problems with search when its turned off - turned on works fine. I just want to know if this is a general problem before filing a bug |
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Ropuch |
Sorry, phonecall |
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Ropuch |
I have QueryAutoTruncate set to auto |
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Ropuch |
kf: and it works like it's supposed to be |
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Ropuch |
kf: my other search settings are: http://bagno.be/search.png |
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Ropuch |
I'm pretty sure these are default settings |
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kf |
ok |
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kf |
sorry was afk |
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kf |
we had it off |
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kf |
can you try setting it off? |
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kf |
"only if * is added" |
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kf |
and make a keyword search? |
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kf |
in our installation it breaks search :( |
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Ropuch |
kf: it's working |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
somehow I hoped it would cause you problems too |
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kf |
have you a new installation or an updated one? |
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Ropuch |
Updated |
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kf |
ok, we came from 3.1.61 |
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kf |
its just so strange |
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Ropuch |
Hm actually my update was unusual |
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Ropuch |
I clean-installed head version and then imported my 3.00.05 dump before running web installer |
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kf |
hm ok |
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kf |
thank you for testing Ropuch |
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kf |
will try to talk to gmcharlt about it later, he made some suggestions yesterday what we could do or check |
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Ropuch |
But after few more searches i think QueryAutoTruncate isn't working at all - when i search for querry 'Brand' with (only if * is added) I have Brand(t)meister in the results (QueryStemming is off) |
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Ropuch |
And all the books with title/subject Brandt |
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Ropuch |
kf: if you need any further testing, just ping me ;> |
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kf |
thank you :) |
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kf |
gmcharlt: around? |
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gmcharlt |
hi kf |
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kf |
ah hi |
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kf |
we have some problems with our test installation |
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kf |
patched 3.01.61 - HEAD standard install |
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kf |
we found out that switching QueryAutoTruncate ON = atomatically solves our search problem |
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kf |
switching it to OFF = only if * is added breaks search |
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kf |
I asked Ropuch to test it in his installation, but is works with both settings for him, except that it always seems to truncate searches |
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gmcharlt |
interesting - based on that, I thnk I definitely would need to see your Zebra config files to debug further |
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kf |
my colleague said its standard now |
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kf |
no icu |
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kf |
no additional indexes we added etc. |
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kf |
but I can ask him for them of course |
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gmcharlt |
thans |
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kf |
there is another problem |
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kf |
I cant access rotating collections and patron card creator - the files were not created |
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gmcharlt |
rotating collections will be moved out of 3.2, but I know what's wrong re patron card creator and will fix that |
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kf |
can this be a problem caused by our standard install? |
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gmcharlt |
Makefile.PL needs to be updated |
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kf |
ah |
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kf |
should I file a bug for this? |
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gmcharlt |
no need, I'll take care of it in a couple minutes |
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kf |
I got a bit unsure if its just a problem with our installation |
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kf |
ok, thank you |
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kf |
which files do you need? bib1.att, records.abs, ccl.properties? a special folder from zebra? |
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gmcharlt |
the whole /etc/koha/zebra directory |
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kf |
my colleague told me he compared the files yesterday to those in git |
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kf |
and they are the same |
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kf |
and search works fine when switching it on - should the problem not be located elsewhere in this case? search.pm or perhaps a bad sys pref combination? |
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gmcharlt |
hmm, if they're identical, then please send me the values of all of the search related sysprefs |
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kf |
just made a screenshot |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
http://opac.bsz-bw.de/koha_temp/search_config.png |
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kf |
thats what Ropuch had - QueryFuzzy setting is different from our http://bagno.be/search.png |
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kf |
ah, ok, wrong screenshot - this is the working configuration, change QueryAutoTruncate and it stops working |
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gmcharlt |
kf: re autotruncation, when queryautotruncate is off, it doesn't work for any search, even if the search term is a whole word? |
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kf |
my example is israel |
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kf |
oh israel* works when its set to off |
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kf |
but not israel |
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kf |
same with another word: query is off: stuttgart = 0 stuttgart* = 1109 |
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jdavidb |
g'mornin, #koha. |
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kf |
good morning jdavidb |
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kf |
seems like "only if * is added* means that you have to add * to get results at all :( |
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jdavidb |
@wunder 20852 |
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munin |
jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -0.4�C (7:23 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST Saturday... |
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jdavidb |
Sounds about right...the calm before the storm. |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.0�C (1:29 PM CET on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell chris_n patch added |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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kf |
gmcharlt: can you reproduce it in your installation? |
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gmcharlt |
kf: no - instead, I'm seeing the behavior Ropuch seems, where the auto-truncate setting is ignored entirely |
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kf |
oh my :( |
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gmcharlt |
ah, wait, hold on ... |
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gmcharlt |
querryfuzzy = on seems to be required |
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kf |
guten morgen jwagner |
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kf |
gmcharlt: no difference here |
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kf |
have fuzzy to try and autotruncate to only if... and only truncated searches get results |
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jdavidb |
mornin', jwagner. |
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gmcharlt |
kf: ok, found it, at least for my install - queryweightfields must be on |
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kf |
oh |
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kf |
I think this is the one that icu does not like |
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jwagner |
morning all. |
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kf |
gmcharlt: with queryweightfields on, fuzzy off, truncate off it seems to work correctly here too |
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gmcharlt |
is anybody else having problems getting a response from http://git.koha.org ? |
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kf |
gmcharlt: icu indexing did not work with some search sys prefs on - so we had to turn them off. we will need to test icu next with that settings. |
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kf |
gmcharlt: git - yes |
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gmcharlt |
I've emailed cfouts about it |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: I think I sent some patches about queryautotruncate. |
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jwagner |
gmcharlt, I get a response eventually -- at least the page has started to display. But it's VERY slow. |
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hdl_laptop |
It is fixed on 3.0.x |
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kf |
hdl_laptop: could be part of our problem - our installation is patched from 3.1.61 |
| 12:59 |
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gmcharlt |
I see no auto-truncate patches in the patch list queue - could you point them out to me? |
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hdl_laptop |
mmmm... maybe a smtp-server problem at that time |
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gmcharlt |
well, at this points commit IDs for cherry-picking from 3.0.x might be better anyway, assuming that the patches in question are reasonably self-contained |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: whatever it was, git.koha.org problem was transitory |
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jwagner |
gremlins.... |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: you will have them in |
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hdl_laptop |
patches resent |
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nengard |
hmm - I'm working on adding the acq preferences back into Koha - but for some reason when I type 360,000.00 the system changes it to 360000 -- ideas? |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: try setting the syspref type to float |
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nengard |
gmcharlt - i worded that poorly - it's in the db fine, it's just displaying on the screen funny - but I solved it by adding text to the pull down |
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owen |
Hi all |
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nengard |
now - hdl_laptop - are we still using the pdformat preference? or was that replaced by OrderPdfFormat? |
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hdl_laptop |
I think OrderPdfFormat |
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nengard |
that's what it looks like |
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nengard |
thanks! |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: the patches I just sent donot seem to be the latest ones I thought I should send |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: ok, I'll ignore the 17 patches you just emailed and await a corrected submission |
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gmcharlt |
make the 20 patche you just emailed |
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schuster |
nengard you here? |
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nengard |
here |
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schuster |
I was just reading Jo's post to the list about trademarks - do you have any Librarian Lawyer friends that deal with international laws? |
| 13:35 |
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schuster |
The whole Global thing gets tricky... |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: hdl_laptop: what are valid choices for OrderPdfFormat ? as is, that syspref is rather unfriendly |
| 13:37 |
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nengard |
gmcharlt - no idea :) it was a text box in the old interface so I just copied that |
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nengard |
schuster - I don't know - I can check when I'm done patching today - but many of the law librarians I know charge for research and I haven't worked with them for 3+ years now - so favors are getting less frequent :( |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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nengard |
hdl_laptop does casServerUrl require you enter the http:// or not? |
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nengard |
morning chris_n |
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chris_n |
nengard: patron card code should be all patched up now for you continued testing enjoyment |
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nengard |
awesome |
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nengard |
will do when i'm done patching :) |
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nengard |
trying to add the missing sys prefs in |
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chris_n |
patching is the word of the day |
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nengard |
patching is the word of the month :) |
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nengard |
3.2 is the goal!!! |
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chris_n |
let's keep gmcharlt busy ;-) |
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chris_n |
as if he is not busy enough already |
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* gmcharlt |
continues the tradition started yesterday, hides |
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matts |
nengard, yes, it does require the https:// part |
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nengard |
thanks matts |
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matts |
you welcome |
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* jwagner |
sets the bloodhounds on gmcharlt's trail |
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nengard |
okay - another preference question - it used to be that you set AnonSuggestions to a borrower ID and used that patron for suggestions - but now it says on/off or allow/don't allow - so which is it? |
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rhcl_awake |
what are all you people doing on here so early in the morning? coffee ain't even boiled yet |
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jdavidb |
Early? |
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imp |
it's nearly 15:00 ;) |
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* jdavidb |
checks the clock... then looks out a window... no, the Snowpocalypse hasn't started yet. |
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chris_n |
lol jdavidb :-) |
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chris_n |
the rainpocalypse is in progress in NC |
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jdavidb |
We're expecting 18-24" in the next 36 hours here. |
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imp |
nice :) |
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rhcl_awake |
well, we got an inch last night |
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owen |
Freezing rain here, schools are already closed. |
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* owen |
hopes he doesn't have to spend the weekend at work |
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* owen |
will call a 48-hour bug-squashing marathon if so |
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gmcharlt |
owen++ |
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nengard |
:) |
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* gmcharlt |
calls up owen's boss ;) |
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nengard |
LOL |
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jdavidb |
owen++ ;I'd be in for that. |
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hilongo |
oohh.. if tou could see how pretty is everything around here ... with all the sun and flowers and birds :P |
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owen |
:D |
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hilongo |
@wunder mendoza, Argentina |
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munin |
hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 25.0�C (10:00 AM ART on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
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jwagner |
hilongo, you is asking for trouble! |
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owen |
Wow, that's the place to be hilongo! |
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jwagner |
@wunder 20740 |
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munin |
jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 1.2�C (9:01 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST Saturday... |
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* hilongo |
puts away his 'margarita' to type |
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* owen |
thinks hilongo should hire us all to conduct on-site Koha seminars |
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rhcl_awake |
sun and flowers and birds, and I've got cold and snow and a whinny cat |
| 14:05 |
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hilongo |
yep ... it's nice today aver here ... don't count me in for the bug-squashing marathon ;) |
| 14:05 |
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rhcl_awake |
but coffee is served now, so things are looking up |
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rhcl_awake |
@wonder 64505 |
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munin |
rhcl_awake: Error: "wonder" is not a valid command. |
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rhcl_awake |
@wunder 64505 |
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munin |
rhcl_awake: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is -0.7�C (8:04 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... |
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owen |
The patches folder in my email is filling up before my eyes |
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rhcl_awake |
rhcl mutters to self "I went to school in College Park, MD" |
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nengard |
i'm working on sys pref bugs - and in the circuation preferences there is a comment that reads: |
| 14:10 |
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nengard |
broken, omitted: emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced, holdCancelLength, WebBasedSelfCheck |
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nengard |
anyone know about these prefs? |
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nengard |
I havne't had probs with WebBasedSelfCheck ... |
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nengard |
@wunder 19030 |
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munin |
nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is -0.9�C (9:00 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday... |
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nengard |
i'm on a roll owen :) |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced and holdCancelLength are definitely broken |
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gmcharlt |
WebBasedSelfCheck is not |
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nengard |
that's what i thought ;) |
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nengard |
I'll put it back in |
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magnus |
@wunder bodo, norway |
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munin |
magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (2:50 PM CET on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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magnus |
at least it's almost the weekend here... ;-) |
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schuster |
WebBasedSelfCheck works great - we only have one problem is dealing with holds... But I havn't put any money back into that. I'll create a bug to track it. |
| 14:13 |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: ping me when you're done with prefs patches for the day - I'll push 'em en masse |
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schuster |
Meaning the self check won't allow you to checkout a book on hold for someone else and there isn't an easy way to override it - the librarian has to get involved. |
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nengard |
will do gmacharlt |
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schuster |
actually that isn't a bug but a workflow issue. so I won't bug it... |
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schuster |
FYI we LOVE WebBasedSelfCheck... as it is... |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: it's an enhancement request though, so please *do* put it into bugs.koha.org ;) |
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schuster |
I don't know how you would enhance it... I guess maybe a message with a prompt for override by someone with appropriate credentials? |
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gmcharlt |
by providing options - (a) silently allow the loan and rejigger the holds queue (b) add an ability for staff member to enter override on the spot (c) stick with current bheavior |
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gmcharlt |
depends on what the library wants |
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gmcharlt |
e.g., if on-shelf hold requests are allowed, library may want the hold request to trump |
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moodaepo |
@wunder Mankato. MN |
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munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -1.4�C (8:15 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling). |
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gmcharlt |
@wunder Gainesville, FL |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The current temperature in Central Gainesville, Gainesville, Florida is 19.1�C (9:16 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising). Lake Wind Advisory in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST this evening... |
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moodaepo |
gmcharlt wins! |
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* moodaepo |
wonders what the heck is "Lake Wind Advisory" : ) |
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gmcharlt |
keep your small children weighted down |
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schuster |
@wunder Plano,TX |
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munin |
schuster: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 4.7�C (8:17 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising). |
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schuster |
brrr... |
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schuster |
I've put in a but @bug 4120 for the enhancement on web based self check. |
| 14:21 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4120 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt gmail.com, NEW, WebBasedSelfCheck |
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schuster |
question so if I'm on 3.00.x - I should be able to do the 3.2 tarbal as an upgrade on a test system correct and start playing with 3.2? |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
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munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 1.3�C (9:28 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect from noon EST today through late tonight... |
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schuster |
seeing the discussion on sounds again - @bug 1080 - love the discussion! |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1080 enhancement, P2, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, REOPENED, How about telling the template to make a noise on circulation errors? |
| 14:53 |
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* owen |
notices that saving a MARC record now redirects you to the MARC detail page rather than the additem screen |
| 14:53 |
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gmcharlt |
hmm - when did that happen? |
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* owen |
doesn't know |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: ^^ commit is 709e3b - why was change made? |
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gmcharlt |
seems like it should be a cataloger preference |
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gmcharlt |
(actually, staff operator preferences, as opposed to system preferences, would be nice to add for 3.4) |
| 14:56 |
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gmcharlt |
owen: ok, looks like creating new bib sends you to item form, editing bib does not |
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owen |
I guess that makes a certain amount of sense. |
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gmcharlt |
makes sense to me too |
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owen |
Beware of changing catalogers' expectations about their workflow! |
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* owen |
will have to warn them |
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gmcharlt |
so whether operator pref is needed will be decided by whether I get a herd of angry catalogers outside my door |
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jwagner |
I prefer it this way -- it's always annoyed me that editing a bib record takes me into item creation instead of back to the display. |
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owen |
Maybe a button that says "save and add items?" |
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gmcharlt |
+1 (no need for syspref, then) |
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owen |
I wonder if that redirect should obey the bibliodefaultview preference |
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gmcharlt |
would be nice |
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hdl_laptop |
owen when you modify a record, it is quite logicial to be redirected to the display of the record. |
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hdl_laptop |
when you create a new record, then redirection is on additem |
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hdl_laptop |
this was asked |
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nengard |
gmcharlt - i think i'm done with the sys prefs patches |
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owen |
hdl_laptop: Do you agree that this redirect should follow the IntranetBiblioDefaultView system preference? |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: I've pushed them - I'll leave it to you to deal with updating/closing the bugs |
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hdl_laptop |
owen: yes. |
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* owen |
will see if he can make it so |
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nengard |
thanks gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
owen: if you're feeling even more ambitious, a new C4 function to create the IntranetBiblioDefaultView redirect would be nice |
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* owen |
grumbles about this circ error message: http://zivotdesign.com/example[…]error-message.png |
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gmcharlt |
very zen-like |
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jwagner |
Again??? That one keeps showing up.... |
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schuster |
???circ error message??? |
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owen |
jwagner: Did you think it was fixed? |
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jwagner |
I know it's shown up & I thought it was patched. |
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jwagner |
But I could be mistaken.... |
| 16:09 |
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jwagner |
There's Bug 4036, but I thought there was an earlier bug/patch too |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4036 critical, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING |
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owen |
Thanks, I couldn't remember if I'd filed a bug before |
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wizzyrea |
for you east coasters |
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wizzyrea |
http://twitpic.com/11i0dy |
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wizzyrea |
and good morning |
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chris_n |
am I correct in the thought that it appears at present we do not check for/limit duplicate userid's |
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* owen |
obeys wizzyrea and hits the liquor store |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea -- Harrumph! |
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* jwagner |
falls in the totally screwed category.... |
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jdavidb |
I love that graphic, wizzyrea! |
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jwagner |
chris_n, you mean patron barcodes? I thought it wouldn't let you save a duplicate? |
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wizzyrea |
yea, you'll note that I also fall in the "hit the liquor store" area :D |
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chris_n |
jwagner: no borrowers.userid |
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owen |
chris_n: I tried to save a patron record with a duplicate username and password and I got an error |
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owen |
"Login/password already exists." |
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jwagner |
The OPAC login? |
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owen |
Yes |
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chris_n |
owen: tnx |
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owen |
This from memberentry.pl |
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jwagner |
(I think chris_n falls in the "buy a boat" area)! |
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* chris_n |
thinks the that column should be defined as unique |
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* chris_n |
prepared his raft last evening ;-) |
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* jdavidb |
makes that pic his desktop background. The evil minion will laugh her ears off at that. |
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wizzyrea |
hehehe |
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chris_n |
all of the essentials: food and wireless internet |
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owen |
...but really it's warning about the OPAC login, not the password. |
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chris_n |
I'll open a bug for it |
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chris_n |
it bears more looking into and fixing as well |
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wizzyrea |
owen: I know you're terribly busy... you said you had an alternate koha logo for the temp website? |
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owen |
Yeah, thanks for reminding me |
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chris_n |
ok, dup userid's are caught when creating new patrons |
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chris_n |
but dups are not caught by the import_borrowers.pl script |
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nengard |
got a question - does OpacPrivacy control whether the patron reading history is kept in the staff client as well? cause if the data is kept at all then it's not really private .... |
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* jwagner |
thinks I'll head for the liquor store, er, fast food joint |
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owen |
wizzyrea: How about this? http://zivotdesign.com/examples/kohalogo-g.png |
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wizzyrea |
yes, delightful :D |
| 16:43 |
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wizzyrea |
done |
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wizzyrea |
beautiful, owen |
| 16:45 |
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wizzyrea |
oh |
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wizzyrea |
can o worms |
| 16:45 |
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wizzyrea |
Presumably there will need to be some sort of licensing information on the new site |
| 16:45 |
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wizzyrea |
CC or .. |
| 16:45 |
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wizzyrea |
for the site content itself |
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nengard |
manual is licensed under the CC - just fyi |
| 16:48 |
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nengard |
and i ahve that in the xml |
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owen |
Since we're going through this with the wiki: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing ... |
| 16:49 |
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owen |
Should we stick to GPL 2 for other content? |
| 16:50 |
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nengard |
gmcharlt - no matter what i set WebBasedSelfCheck to i can access the web self checkout page ... so maybe the notes were right in saying that the pref didn't work |
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owen |
hdl_laptop? |
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wizzyrea |
I know slef usually has an opinion on these things, that's why I asked :/ |
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hdl_laptop |
yes |
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owen |
hdl_laptop: could you look at Bug 4036? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4036 critical, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING |
| 16:53 |
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owen |
I'm trying to understand what conditions cause USERBLOCKEDREMAINING and USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE |
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hdl_laptop |
AH..... |
| 16:53 |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: you're right, mark that as a blocker for 3.2 - getting WebBasedSelfCheck to actually work is easy |
| 16:53 |
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nengard |
wil do |
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hdl_laptop |
there is work on that part at the moment. |
| 16:54 |
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hdl_laptop |
But it is a rewrite and changes the debarred behaviour to be a date |
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joetho |
Bug 4036 |
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hdl_laptop |
IsMemberBlocked is simply trying to see if the user is debarred or not |
| 16:56 |
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Ropuch |
Ugh! I've just finished reading an article about new OPACs, and although Koha is mentioned, it is said that "Koha is developed by librarians rallied round LIbLime" |
| 16:56 |
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wizzyrea |
omg |
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wizzyrea |
link |
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Ropuch |
The text is full of error |
| 16:56 |
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Ropuch |
wizzyrea: I can scan it |
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wizzyrea |
ohh a print article |
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gmcharlt |
what journal? |
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Ropuch |
On monday |
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wizzyrea |
yes, what journal? |
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wizzyrea |
rallied around liblime... <grumble> |
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Ropuch |
Yep |
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Ropuch |
the article is shitty anyway |
| 16:58 |
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Ropuch |
and i was pretty sure it's just a copy of another one |
| 16:58 |
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wizzyrea |
where rallied = planning our escape (or rather, hoping that PTFS will save us... we're optimistic) |
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Ropuch |
Our library science is on its way down |
| 16:59 |
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Ropuch |
The author refers to WordPress as "blogging management system" |
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kf |
g |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
have a nice weekend all! |
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Ropuch |
You too |
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Ropuch |
;> |
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wizzyrea |
well, it does that too lol |
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wizzyrea |
and that *was* it's original purpose |
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nengard |
what's the citation? I can find a copy of it if I have a citation |
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hdl_laptop |
nengard: could be in polish ;) |
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nengard |
ah |
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Ropuch |
nengard: it is in polish :) |
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nengard |
i could still find it - just not read it :) |
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hdl_laptop |
maybe translated into polish FROM english |
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wizzyrea |
google translate? |
| 17:03 |
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hdl_laptop |
and maybe ggltranslate |
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nengard |
k - if someone gives me the citation i'll see what i can do |
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Ropuch |
It's from 'Uniwersum pi�miennictwa wobec komunikacji elektronicznej' |
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Ropuch |
[; |
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Ropuch |
http://merlin.pl/Uniwersum-pis[…]uct/1,733568.html |
| 17:03 |
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Ropuch |
Here |
| 17:03 |
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Ropuch |
But the article is nothing special, really |
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Ropuch |
Tha main problem is that there's a hole between librarians and 'library scientists' teaching at the University |
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nengard |
it's worth contacting the author and telling them that they're idiots |
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Ropuch |
"scientits' know noyhing about real work |
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Ropuch |
nengard: I intend to |
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nengard |
:) |
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nengard |
cool |
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Ropuch |
They don't like me anyway |
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Ropuch |
I talked too much inconvenient things bacj then when I was workinh in the institute |
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Ropuch |
But someone had to say that emperor is naked |
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wizzyrea |
So, licensing. Guess I should just send that to the list then? |
| 17:19 |
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wizzyrea |
or would that ignite a firestorm? |
| 17:20 |
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owen |
Better to find out now. |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.1�C (9:17 AM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... |
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brendan |
@wunder forecast 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.1�C (9:17 AM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... |
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* jdavidb |
hands wizzyrea an nomex bodysuit, just in cae. |
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Ropuch |
geez, they even claims that freeware and open source is the same thing |
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wizzyrea |
thanks, I may need it. |
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wizzyrea |
here goes nothin... |
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* wizzyrea |
ducks |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: email sent |
| 17:27 |
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chris_n |
and this update would fail if there exist duplicate ids |
| 17:29 |
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* chris_n |
thinks we need to settle on a licensing scheme to cover all things Koha once and for all |
| 17:29 |
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wizzyrea |
i agree with you on that, then we'd never have to have this argument again |
| 17:29 |
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wizzyrea |
>.< |
| 17:30 |
|
wizzyrea |
I am loathe to have any drama surrounding koha-community.org |
| 17:31 |
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wizzyrea |
it is our shining beacon of kumbaya singing community happiness, and I want to keep it that way |
| 17:31 |
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owen |
wizzyrea: The difficulty about licensing with the Wiki was based on the long history of different contributors. At least we won't have that with the new site |
| 17:32 |
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wizzyrea |
not if we get the license statement put on while we still only have 3 proper contributors :) |
| 17:32 |
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wizzyrea |
easy for gmcharlt, nengard, and me to agree :) |
| 17:33 |
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wizzyrea |
and chris |
| 17:33 |
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nengard |
i agree :0 |
| 17:33 |
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owen |
And don't forget someone sent you an image :P |
| 17:33 |
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nengard |
whatever we decide i agree - i know it will be open :) |
| 17:33 |
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wizzyrea |
and owen |
| 17:33 |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
| 17:33 |
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* owen |
demands royalties for each pageview |
| 17:33 |
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* wizzyrea |
glares at owen |
| 17:34 |
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* wizzyrea |
gets out the MOM glare |
| 17:34 |
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wizzyrea |
you know the one |
| 17:34 |
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nengard |
k - lunch time - did patching did documenting - probably have more of both after lunch |
| 17:34 |
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wizzyrea |
don't make me use it, owen ;) |
| 17:34 |
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owen |
I know the one, and I know the appropriate response. |
| 17:34 |
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* owen |
runs away laughing |
| 17:36 |
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jdavidb |
owen, it's been a pleasure working with you. You realize you're doomed, right? |
| 17:43 |
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wizzyrea |
owen you crack me up |
| 17:44 |
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* owen |
just wishes his DAD glare worked better |
| 17:46 |
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wizzyrea |
if you're going to kohacon maybe Mr. Wizzyrea can show you his, it's frightful |
| 17:47 |
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* jdavidb |
never needed a DAD glare with his kids. Just lucky, I guess. |
| 17:47 |
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wizzyrea |
this radar is awesome http://radar.weather.gov/radar[…]11101111&loop=yes |
| 17:47 |
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wizzyrea |
yay for backwards moving storms! |
| 17:49 |
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* chris_n |
glowers at the rain, wishing it were snow :-( |
| 17:51 |
|
* jwagner_lunch |
wonders if it's safe to come back in, with all the glaring and glowering going on.... |
| 17:51 |
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|
jwagner_lunch is now known as jwagner |
| 17:51 |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
| 17:53 |
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jwagner |
Personally, I find that just looking over the tops of my glasses usually works.... |
| 17:53 |
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wizzyrea |
http://yfrog.com/4efi8pj |
| 17:53 |
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wizzyrea |
outside my house earlier |
| 17:53 |
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wizzyrea |
fluffiest snow ever |
| 17:57 |
|
* jdavidb |
suggests that jwagner look over the tops of her glasses at the snowstorm brewing outside. |
| 17:58 |
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jdavidb |
We get that fluffy stuff here, too, wizzyrea. Lindsey had never seen that before the December storm; it does *not* do that in West TX, ever. |
| 17:58 |
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wizzyrea |
and it's not too cold, which is the part I like |
| 17:58 |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder 66047 |
| 17:58 |
|
munin |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 1.4�C (11:56 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until noon CST today... |
| 17:59 |
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wizzyrea |
above freezing, even |
| 17:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
which means you can go out and PLAY!!! |
| 17:59 |
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jdavidb |
@wunder 20852 |
| 17:59 |
|
munin |
jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 2.9�C (12:53 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 PM EST Saturday... |
| 17:59 |
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jdavidb |
:D |
| 18:00 |
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* jwagner |
sneers at the storm. I've seen worse! |
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chris |
morning |
| 18:15 |
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owen |
Hi chris, I hope you're on the mend? |
| 18:15 |
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chris |
as long as i keep taking the drugs and getting rest should be all good |
| 18:16 |
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jwagner |
chris, a tip from one who's been there -- don't try coding on drugs :-) |
| 18:16 |
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jwagner |
(And all sympathies for the pain!) |
| 18:19 |
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chris |
its actually eating is the hard part, but i have to take the drugs with food |
| 18:20 |
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jwagner |
I can imagine. Does ice cream count as food? |
| 18:20 |
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chris |
owen: http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/registration/ |
| 18:20 |
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chris |
jwagner: yeah its actually good, dairy is good for lining your stomach |
| 18:21 |
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owen |
Are you able to change the markup of the last <li> ? |
| 18:21 |
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owen |
<li class="radio"> |
| 18:21 |
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chris |
its the not being able to open your mouth wide enough to get the spoon in that is annoying |
| 18:21 |
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chris |
can do |
| 18:21 |
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owen |
I would also remove the "border: 1px solid #EEE" from the fieldset CSS |
| 18:22 |
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chris |
fixed the li, editing the css now |
| 18:22 |
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chris |
border: 1px solid #EEE; |
| 18:22 |
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chris |
that line? |
| 18:23 |
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owen |
yeah, I don't think you need that border |
| 18:23 |
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chris |
delete it totally? |
| 18:23 |
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chris |
okie dokie |
| 18:25 |
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chris |
hmm took that out, but there must be another fieldset one |
| 18:25 |
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chris |
cos now the border is bigger :) |
| 18:25 |
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owen |
Oh sorry, didn't anticipate the default. |
| 18:26 |
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owen |
border : 0; |
| 18:26 |
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chris |
wil do |
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pianohacker |
nengard++ |
| 18:28 |
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nengard |
no prob - you just have to tackle a few things i didn't know how to do :) |
| 18:28 |
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chris |
got it |
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nengard |
pianohacker you should also probably report bugs for all of the items you decided to not include in the sys prefs because they didn't work or whatever |
| 18:29 |
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chris |
ok, i think that is good to go now |
| 18:30 |
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chris |
if someone who is planning to come wants to test the form out, that would be sweet :) |
| 18:30 |
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schuster |
wizzyrea is probably on it! |
| 18:32 |
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chris |
heh |
| 18:34 |
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Ropuch |
Hi chris |
| 18:35 |
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chris |
hi Ropuch |
| 18:49 |
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* chris_n |
greets chris |
| 18:49 |
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chris_n |
good to see you getting back well |
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chris |
http://www.elementsfestival.org.nz/programme.html |
| 18:59 |
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jwagner |
chris, you aren't leaving your sickbed to go frolic, are you??? |
| 19:00 |
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chris |
hehe i shouldnt, but the kids would love that |
| 19:00 |
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chris |
and sickbed is crowded with them all in it too hehe |
| 19:00 |
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jwagner |
Let Laurel take them while you get some peace and quiet :-) |
| 19:10 |
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wizzyrea |
seems to work!! |
| 19:10 |
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chris |
cool |
| 19:11 |
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chris |
yep, and you are stored in the db |
| 19:11 |
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chris |
officially registered now |
| 19:11 |
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wizzyrea |
yessss |
| 19:12 |
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Ropuch |
Lucky ;> |
| 19:14 |
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jwagner |
I wanna go :-( |
| 19:15 |
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* jwagner |
pouts |
| 19:15 |
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Ropuch |
I;m just writing a reply to some poor written article - scriblio works regardles of ILS? |
| 19:15 |
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chris |
in theory yes Ropuch |
| 19:15 |
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Ropuch |
I know that one can import marc records into it |
| 19:16 |
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pianohacker |
brb work |
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| 19:17 |
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Ropuch |
I've made my point alredy - the author said that Scriblio works only with particular ILS, which is not true (with marc importing) |
| 19:17 |
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chris |
yeah the point was that it should work with any, might be some mucking around, but it should be possible |
| 19:18 |
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Ropuch |
Although there's not much sense in integrating it with Koha, I'll give it a try |
| 19:18 |
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Ropuch |
I'm curious |
| 19:18 |
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Ropuch |
And want some facts in my reply :) |
| 19:20 |
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chris |
you might want to talk to the biblibre guys |
| 19:20 |
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chris |
they did sopac (The drupal one) integration with koha |
| 19:29 |
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wizzyrea |
nengard: http://el-tramo.be/blog/integr[…]ok-with-wordpress |
| 19:29 |
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nengard |
WOO HOO |
| 19:29 |
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nengard |
clicking now |
| 19:29 |
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wizzyrea |
dk if it will help us, but we'll see |
| 19:30 |
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Ropuch |
chris: I know, but in the article only Scriblio, Encore and Aqua browser are mentioned |
| 19:32 |
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chris |
aqua browser is horrible, fwiw |
| 19:32 |
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chris |
:) |
| 19:32 |
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chris |
that article is too hard for my brain to comprehend nengard will read again when im not on drugs |
| 19:32 |
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nengard |
no prob at all - that's why i put it in email so it was saved :) |
| 19:33 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, I'm not quite comprehending it either lol |
| 19:33 |
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nengard |
chris i agree - aqua browser is horrible!! |
| 19:33 |
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* wizzyrea |
was hoping for a plugin :P |
| 19:39 |
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Ropuch |
chris: I just want to inform the author that Encore isn't the only one opac-addon that can work with different ILS ;> |
| 19:41 |
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chris |
yeah, vufind, blacklight, sopac, scriblio etc |
| 19:42 |
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Ropuch |
I know, but our library scientist don't - yet they are publishing articles without conducting proper searchs first |
| 19:42 |
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Ropuch |
Which pisses me off |
| 19:43 |
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Ropuch |
And freeware and open source is equal for them |
| 19:43 |
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nengard |
wizzyrea i had already looked for a plugin - no luck |
| 19:44 |
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wizzyrea |
humbug |
| 19:44 |
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Ropuch |
Ask someone to write one for you ;-) |
| 19:44 |
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nengard |
Ropuch wanna write one for me :) |
| 19:45 |
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Ropuch |
last time i was using wp... ;> |
| 19:46 |
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wizzyrea |
actually that would be a super awesome wordpress plugin |
| 19:46 |
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wizzyrea |
very useful |
| 19:47 |
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chris |
http://github.com/remko/docboo[…]lob/master/README |
| 19:53 |
|
* chris |
tries something out |
| 19:54 |
|
* owen |
braces himself |
| 19:58 |
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Ropuch |
nengard, wizzyrea: what such a plugin is supposed to do? Step-by-step: nengard writes documentation and exports it in this wp-friendly output and then what? |
| 19:59 |
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nengard |
it needs to translate docbook XML into HTML for dispaly |
| 19:59 |
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nengard |
display |
| 19:59 |
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wizzyrea |
what she said |
| 19:59 |
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wizzyrea |
and then the ability to easily embed that in a WP page |
| 19:59 |
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wizzyrea |
like |
| 19:59 |
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wizzyrea |
hmm |
| 19:59 |
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wizzyrea |
maybe, point the plugin at a git repo that holds the docs |
| 20:00 |
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wizzyrea |
cache the conversion on a schedule |
| 20:00 |
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Ropuch |
Ok, I get it |
| 20:00 |
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wizzyrea |
then a tag to output it in a page |
| 20:00 |
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nengard |
chris has a script he uses to generate the HTML now |
| 20:00 |
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Ropuch |
Yes, I saw the docs :) |
| 20:02 |
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Ropuch |
I was sure docBook can export documents to html |
| 20:02 |
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Ropuch |
But maybe I was thinking about asciidoc |
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wizzyrea |
What I really want, if we're talking pie in the sky... |
| 20:04 |
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wizzyrea |
is something that git pulls the XML/HTML, converts it, then outputs it on a schedule without anybody having to touch it. |
| 20:04 |
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wizzyrea |
which might mean that nicole has a special branch for writing, and one for display |
| 20:04 |
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chris |
ok |
| 20:05 |
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wizzyrea |
(she probably always does) |
| 20:05 |
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chris |
so if i have a koha3-2manual.wp.php |
| 20:05 |
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chris |
how do i upload that to the site? |
| 20:05 |
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Ropuch |
wizzyrea: wish i was more proficient with php/wordpress |
| 20:05 |
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wizzyrea |
Ropuch: it's ok |
| 20:06 |
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chris |
cos i do have the file now, i just dunno how to put it up on the site |
| 20:06 |
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Ropuch |
Nah, such a plugin is nice challenge |
| 20:06 |
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joetho |
I have a pretty big php mess on my own server that I don't have time to troubleshoot |
| 20:07 |
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wizzyrea |
this is just a php script? or a plugin? |
| 20:07 |
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chris |
who knows |
| 20:07 |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
| 20:07 |
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wizzyrea |
send it to me plox :) |
| 20:07 |
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chris |
its what that docbook-kit generated for me |
| 20:07 |
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wizzyrea |
AH |
| 20:07 |
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chris |
to your nekls address? |
| 20:07 |
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wizzyrea |
ya |
| 20:07 |
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* owen |
suspects CanBookBeRenewed is messing up somewhere but can't figure out where |
| 20:08 |
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joetho |
chris- the cowboy way would be to put your html directory into a zip file and send it to liz to post as a directory |
| 20:08 |
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* owen |
sees an empty "renew" column on circulation.pl for a patron with checkouts from today |
| 20:09 |
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chris |
on its way |
| 20:09 |
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wizzyrea |
ty ty |
| 20:09 |
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wizzyrea |
totally new territory for me, sorry |
| 20:09 |
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joetho |
I think that the 3.2 activity of the last few days is going to make the 3.2 dox pretty popular |
| 20:09 |
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chris |
probably missing all the images |
| 20:09 |
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wizzyrea |
possibly |
| 20:09 |
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chris |
but that shouldnt be hard to fix |
| 20:10 |
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chris |
just wanna see how horrible it looks :) |
| 20:10 |
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owen |
Can anyone confirm? Renew column empty on checkout page for patrons with checkouts from today? |
| 20:10 |
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joetho |
so put a disclaimer that the dox project is being moved so may look a little rough |
| 20:11 |
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chris |
did you know liz@ doesnt work, you should fix that :-) |
| 20:11 |
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wizzyrea |
haha. oh sigh. |
| 20:11 |
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wizzyrea |
lrea does though ;) |
| 20:11 |
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chris |
yep, on its way to the right address now |
| 20:11 |
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wizzyrea |
woot! |
| 20:12 |
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wizzyrea |
hey look at that |
| 20:12 |
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nengard |
i wanna see!! :) |
| 20:12 |
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nengard |
where do i go to see? |
| 20:14 |
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joetho |
http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 20:14 |
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nengard |
LOL - not that silly :) that's empty |
| 20:14 |
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joetho |
well NOW it is |
| 20:14 |
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wizzyrea |
no, I mean, email at the speed of light >.> |
| 20:14 |
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wizzyrea |
nm |
| 20:14 |
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wizzyrea |
just a min lol keep your panties on |
| 20:15 |
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nengard |
that saying is so silly :) hehe |
| 20:15 |
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nengard |
i love the manual and all -- but not that much |
| 20:15 |
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joetho |
but I bet that's where it will be soon, and my panties are not moving, regardless |
| 20:15 |
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nengard |
LOL |
| 20:15 |
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* jdavidb |
did *not* need to know about joetho's panties. |
| 20:17 |
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joetho |
can't you use an html directory in wp? |
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Ropuch |
Warning: require(../../../wp-blog-header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/koha-community/public_html/wp-content/themes/cordobo-green-park-2/docs.php on line 8 |
| 20:18 |
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joetho |
although I am one to talk, my php project on my server at joetho.com has been dead in the water for months |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
hmm |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
yes yes |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
sheesh |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
try it now |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
it seems to have put some junk in |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
but it is there |
| 20:18 |
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nengard |
ick - and the bullets aren't there |
| 20:19 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, that is probably a function of the kit we used |
| 20:19 |
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joetho |
well it IS friday afternoon |
| 20:19 |
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nengard |
also it's all on one page - and that's a BUTTLOAD of content for one page ... the old script Chris used at least spit it into pages |
| 20:19 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, relax chum, we'll get there ;) |
| 20:20 |
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wizzyrea |
i know it's exciting :) |
| 20:20 |
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joetho |
I wonder if it would be better to make it a freestanding directory, completely out of the wp thing. |
| 20:20 |
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nengard |
not -unrelaxed |
| 20:20 |
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wizzyrea |
mmm probably not |
| 20:20 |
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nengard |
just pointing things out :) |
| 20:20 |
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Ropuch |
Maybe I'll set up a wordpress and read some xslt docs |
| 20:20 |
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wizzyrea |
not if you want it to match the rest of the site |
| 20:20 |
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wizzyrea |
which I think we do |
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nengard |
wizzrea i can apply the same CSS to the manual as the one we use on WP |
| 20:21 |
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nengard |
and then it will look seamless |
| 20:21 |
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joetho |
those big bars on the side? |
| 20:21 |
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nengard |
the reason the manual looked the way it did on Chris' server was cause of the CSS I wrote up/edited |
| 20:21 |
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wizzyrea |
Ah |
| 20:21 |
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wizzyrea |
doesn't matter to me, the link to the theme is at the bottom of every page |
| 20:22 |
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chris |
lemme try something gimme 5 mins |
| 20:22 |
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nengard |
brb |
| 20:27 |
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chris |
yeah with some work you could marry manual.css and style.css into something useful |
| 20:29 |
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nengard |
that's what i figured |
| 20:29 |
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nengard |
also we would want to remove the right column from the manual for space sake |
| 20:29 |
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nengard |
and just have the header and footer from the wp theme |
| 20:29 |
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chris |
not me tho :) but when someone does, and updates the css in git, my script will start using it |
| 20:30 |
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chris |
then i could just scp the dir somewhere |
| 20:30 |
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chris |
but now im off to rinse my mouth with saltwater |
| 20:30 |
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joetho |
We should all rinse our mouths with saltwater |
| 20:30 |
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brendan |
yummy saltwater |
| 20:30 |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
| 20:30 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (12:22 PM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... |
| 20:30 |
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joetho |
make mine a double |
| 20:31 |
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brendan |
should be flooding munin -> not high winds |
| 20:31 |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
| 20:31 |
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munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 5.9�C (3:25 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Falling). Flood Watch in effect through late tonight... |
| 20:31 |
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brendan |
chris_n munin got that one right for you |
| 20:31 |
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nengard |
i'll look into it and see if I can get the stylesheet working on the copy on your site chris |
| 20:31 |
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nengard |
when does it update? I'll need to see it in action to see if I did it right :) |
| 20:31 |
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joetho |
@wunder lawrence, ks |
| 20:31 |
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munin |
joetho: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 0.6�C (2:29 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). |
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nengard |
@wunder 19030 |
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munin |
nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 2.7�C (3:15 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday... |
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jdavidb |
@wunder 20852 |
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joetho |
@wunder mission, ks |
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munin |
jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 1.1�C (3:23 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 PM EST Saturday... |
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munin |
joetho: The current temperature in Overland Park, Overland Park, Kansas is 0.4�C (2:15 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... |
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nengard |
joetho -when your advisory ends mine starts |
| 20:32 |
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jdavidb |
"overcast", my missing foot! It is that, but how come it doesn't say "Snow"? |
| 20:32 |
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brendan |
nengard you getting any snow yet? |
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nengard |
not yet, looks like it will start after dark |
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joetho |
my girlfriend is driving to Lawrence this afternoon, I *think* to see Liz |
| 20:33 |
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joetho |
either that, or the dance troupe downtown |
| 20:34 |
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wizzyrea |
ooh la la |
| 20:35 |
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wizzyrea |
nengard: no actual content, but this is what it could look like |
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wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 20:36 |
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nengard |
yup yup |
| 20:36 |
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nengard |
that's what i was thinking |
| 20:36 |
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nengard |
guess we just ignore 'sidebar.php' and ta da it's done |
| 20:37 |
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joetho |
I kind of like it in Latin. |
| 20:37 |
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wizzyrea |
that and the content divs |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.6�C (2:35 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Falling). |
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brendan |
hi moodaepo |
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chris |
@wunder wellington nz |
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munin |
chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:45 |
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jwagner |
It's been snowing for over 4 hours, but it's finally starting to stick rather than just turning wet. Now, about that two feet of snow forecast.... |
| 20:45 |
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chris_n |
wow.. documentation in latin... very good nengard ;-) |
| 20:45 |
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nengard |
i know - i'm good :) |
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chris_n |
heatwave moodaepo? |
| 20:46 |
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nengard |
chris wizzyrea i just realized - we're not taking about editing the css - we're talking about putting an include at the top and bottom of the manual - to include the head and the footer -- is that possible? |
| 20:47 |
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nengard |
some of it is CSS ... |
| 20:47 |
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wizzyrea |
dk why it wouldn't be |
| 20:47 |
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nengard |
but those are the big parts |
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moodaepo |
brendan allo |
| 20:47 |
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nengard |
wizzyrea - okay it's friday my brain is fried - it's been a crazy week for me - lots of work - so maybe i think about this tomorrow or next week |
| 20:48 |
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wizzyrea |
nengard: i'm pretty sure it can be done |
| 20:48 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 20:48 |
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nengard |
for now - if we can get the manual up in any searchable format that would make me happy - we can make it pretty later - as long as it's searchable and readable i'm a-ok |
| 20:48 |
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wizzyrea |
just stay safe in the nasty weather |
| 20:48 |
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nengard |
i'm home under a blanket already :) |
| 20:48 |
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moodaepo |
chris_n: You betcha it's usually the other end of brendan's temp gauge up here |
| 20:48 |
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nengard |
and there is no snow here yet - it will come tonight |
| 20:48 |
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brendan |
but during the summer - you will most likely beat me on a daily basis |
| 20:49 |
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brendan |
my temp doesn't change much all year |
| 20:49 |
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moodaepo |
Yea damn swamp country er I mean land of lakes. |
| 20:50 |
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wizzyrea |
mmmm butter |
| 20:50 |
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jdavidb |
butter, wizzyrea? |
| 20:50 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, land o lakes butter? |
| 20:50 |
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wizzyrea |
you may not have this where you are |
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jdavidb |
ah... |
| 20:51 |
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jdavidb |
Yeah, we have that brand here; just not what I buy. |
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pianohackr|work |
homemade butter is also good |
| 20:52 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, indeed |
| 20:52 |
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wizzyrea |
but you have to have VERY fresh cream to make it |
| 20:52 |
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wizzyrea |
like, from the cow, practically |
| 20:52 |
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wizzyrea |
and un-homogenized |
| 20:53 |
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Ropuch |
docbook2html produces quite nice output with images |
| 20:53 |
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wizzyrea |
I mean you can do it with heavy whipping, but it takes a while |
| 20:53 |
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wizzyrea |
Ropuch: link? |
| 20:53 |
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jwagner |
I grew up on a farm. Cream fresh from the morning milking on the breakfast cereal. Yum. |
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pianohackr|work |
wizzyrea: Hmm. In a churn, or an electric mixer? |
| 20:53 |
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Ropuch |
wizzyrea: gimme sec, i have it locally |
| 20:53 |
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wizzyrea |
electric mixer |
| 20:53 |
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jdavidb |
I've been trying to "slow-food" more. Found some lovely local providers at the Dupont Circle farmer's market. yummmmy butter n cheese... |
| 20:53 |
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wizzyrea |
o cool |
| 20:53 |
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chris |
Ropuch: like this http://stats.workbuffer.org/ma[…]l_en/ch01s04.html |
| 20:54 |
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wizzyrea |
oh that is pretty |
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chris |
thats what my script does |
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chris |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/ |
| 20:54 |
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chris |
and i have a search |
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wizzyrea |
you don't want that to stay on your server, right chris? |
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chris |
nope |
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Ropuch |
chris: yes |
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chris |
i only have 40 gig a month on my home machine |
| 20:54 |
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Ropuch |
Kinda |
| 20:55 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, we don't want that |
| 20:55 |
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wizzyrea |
bandwidth for KLOW is very cheap |
| 20:55 |
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wizzyrea |
pennies/mo |
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chris |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/omega/omega |
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chris |
try it out, its pretty fast |
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chris |
(uses xapian) |
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Ropuch |
I must talk to my boss and our IT guy |
| 20:58 |
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Ropuch |
Maybe we can spare some bandwitch |
| 20:59 |
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Ropuch |
s/bandwitch/bandwith |
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chris |
time omindex --db default/ --url / /var/www/stats/manual_en |
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chris |
real 0m0.564s |
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chris |
super fast indexer |
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Ropuch |
Simply running docbook2html koha3-2manual.xml produces http://bagno.be/doc/ |
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Ropuch |
4.01 Transitional |
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Ropuch |
Source is really ugly ;> |
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owen |
Wow ugly is right |
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Ropuch |
I was trying to be nice when I said 'ugly' ;> |
| 21:06 |
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Ropuch |
But let's what tidy can do about it |
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chris_n |
enough fun for one day.... bbl |
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jwagner |
Enjoy the snow, everyone who lives in the target region. The rest of you, enjoy whatever the weather gods send you :-) |
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* owen |
leaves to brave the terrifying, er, rain. |
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Ropuch |
Ok, much better after tidy |
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wizzyrea |
ok, giving up |
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wizzyrea |
going home, this snow is just silly |
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wizzyrea |
have a good weekend, stay safe east-coasters :) |
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ricardo |
Hi everyone! |
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ricardo |
Does anyone have the same problem that I do: in 3.0.X, a bulkmarcimport seems to get slower as it progresses loading an ISO file with some tens of thousands of records. That is, the first 1000 records are quickly imported, but the next 1000 records take a bit longer than that... and when it has loaded 10000 records or so, it seems to be "crawling"... |
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ricardo |
(this is a Virtual Machine with 512 Megs RAM allocated, running SUSE, if that's relevant) |
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schuster |
ZEBRA has probably kicked in causing things to slowwwww downnnn... |
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schuster |
with that tip I'm gone for the weekend! |
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ricardo |
Rats... Schuster has given a friendly tip and then run off. I would reply that I'm NOT using Zebra. |
| 22:13 |
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joetho |
ricardo - does your system seem normal otherwise? |
| 22:14 |
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joetho |
the slowdown seems to be triggered by the import? |
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ricardo |
joetho: Yep |
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ricardo |
Cpu(s): 9.4%us, 13.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.3%id, 74.9%wa, 0.0%hi, 2.0%si, 0.0%st |
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ricardo |
Mem: 505820k total, 498460k used, 7360k free, 134544k buffers |
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joetho |
hmmm |
| 22:15 |
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ricardo |
Swap: 771080k total, 88k used, 770992k free, 224892k cached |
| 22:15 |
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joetho |
what kind of shape are the records in? |
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ricardo |
joetho: I think they are a bit rectangular... ;-) |
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joetho |
I wonder if some records have huge fields |
| 22:16 |
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joetho |
not long and pointy? |
| 22:16 |
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joetho |
isosceles trapezoidal? |
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ricardo |
LOL! |
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ricardo |
Eheh... OK, seriously: some of them have relatively large abstracts, but not many of them, I think |
| 22:17 |
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ricardo |
@add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? |
| 22:17 |
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munin |
ricardo: Error: The command "add" is available in the Alias, Bugzilla, Herald, Lart, News, Quote, and Todo plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add". |
| 22:18 |
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joetho |
I have experienced slowdowns with other processes involving large numbers of giant records, but I haven't imported tens of thousands of records at once |
| 22:18 |
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joetho |
and anyway I don't think this causing your slowdown |
| 22:18 |
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joetho |
is this a production server? |
| 22:18 |
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ricardo |
joetho: Right... I wonder if I broke down the ISO file in several ones, would that accelerate the process? Not sure |
| 22:18 |
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ricardo |
@quote add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? |
| 22:18 |
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munin |
ricardo: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 22:19 |
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joetho |
HA |
| 22:19 |
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joetho |
I guess I get to say anything I want. |
| 22:19 |
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ricardo |
LOL! |
| 22:20 |
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gmcharlt |
joetho: no you don't :) |
| 22:20 |
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gmcharlt |
@quote add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? |
| 22:20 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #53 added. |
| 22:20 |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: LOL! |
| 22:20 |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt++ |
| 22:20 |
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ricardo |
;-) |
| 22:20 |
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joetho |
well I do on that OTHER channel |
| 22:21 |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: Any tips / info /suspicions regarding my issue? |
| 22:21 |
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joetho |
anyway, I was going to suggest smaller imports if possible, |
| 22:21 |
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ricardo |
joetho: *nod* |
| 22:21 |
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Ropuch |
Anyone proficient with regexp/php? |
| 22:21 |
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joetho |
then if one batch hung up, why, blame the records |
| 22:21 |
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Ropuch |
joetho: you look like one! ;> |
| 22:21 |
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joetho |
I look like a small import? |
| 22:22 |
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joetho |
I suppose. |
| 22:22 |
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gmcharlt |
ricardo: bulkmarcimport? try adding a --commit 200 to the command line |
| 22:22 |
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ricardo |
joetho: So, the general conclusion is: "Size matters"? ;-) |
| 22:22 |
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Ropuch |
joetho: you look like someone who nows php/regexps ;> |
| 22:22 |
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joetho |
wow, it must be Friday afternoon where you are |
| 22:22 |
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Ropuch |
s/nows/knows |
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joetho |
nope, not really |
| 22:23 |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: I'll have to wait a bit before doing that (it's importing now), but yes, I'll try that in a while |
| 22:23 |
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ricardo |
joetho: Friday, 22H21 here |
| 22:23 |
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ricardo |
(yep, still at work...) |
| 22:23 |
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gmcharlt |
another thing to check - look at the process in top, see how much memory it's consuming |
| 22:23 |
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joetho |
west coast US? |
| 22:23 |
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ricardo |
joetho: West Coast, Portugal ;-) |
| 22:24 |
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gmcharlt |
if it's bunches, there may be a memory leak involved, in which case it's slowing down because its abusing swap |
| 22:24 |
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ricardo |
ricardo: "27097 root 20 0 98.7m 87m 5088 S 1.3 17.7 23:27.18 bulkmarcimport." |
| 22:24 |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: "27097 root 20 0 98.7m 87m 5088 S 1.3 17.7 23:27.18 bulkmarcimport." |
| 22:24 |
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gmcharlt |
was wondering why you were talking to yourself |
| 22:24 |
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gmcharlt |
but no, memory consumption looks OK |
| 22:24 |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: Oh... I was just talking to my imaginary friend ;-) |
| 22:25 |
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ricardo |
It's around 18% |
| 22:26 |
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ricardo |
Ropuch: I haven't touched PHP in several years... But, if you wish, you may ask the question regarding "Regexps" |
| 22:26 |
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Ropuch |
I'm trying some really simple thing |
| 22:27 |
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Ropuch |
I have html file and want to extract everything between <body class="foo"></body> |
| 22:28 |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: "commit the number of records to wait before performing a 'commit' operation" ... I'm NOT using "commit" and that might explain why this is taking this long (probably it's creating a very large "commit stack" now - my term... I don't know what is the "official" expression) |
| 22:29 |
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ricardo |
Ropuch: Hmmm.... I guess you can do that with RegExp, but I'm not sure if that will be the most efficient way of solving that problem. Let me try it something with some RegExp online tester |
| 22:32 |
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Ropuch |
ricardo don't bother, I'll try to figure/google it put myself :) |
| 22:33 |
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ricardo |
Ropuch: OK :) If you can do that in Perl instead, I'm betting that there's some module in CPAN to help you. PHP also has some Regexp functions (and there's also PEAR that is a *lot* smaller than CPAN, but may also have some good module) |
| 22:43 |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: I got fed up and aborted the process... Here's the times for the aborted process: |
| 22:43 |
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ricardo |
21400 records |
| 22:44 |
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ricardo |
578m32.482s |
| 22:44 |
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ricardo |
(that's almost 10 Hours for 21400 records) |
| 22:45 |
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ricardo |
I'm now using "--commit". Let's see if that's faster. If it's not, I'll run this again, redirect output to a file and head home |
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pianohackr|work |
ricardo: Do you have screen installed? |
| 22:47 |
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pianohackr|work |
You could run it inside a screen session, detach, then reattach later and see how it was doing |
| 22:48 |
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ricardo |
pianohackr|work: That's a very nice tip. I almost never used "screen", but this seems a terrific "use case" to use it |
| 22:49 |
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ricardo |
(I believe that, if there's a memory leak, it's persistent. Let me reboot this baby) |
| 22:50 |
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ricardo |
I know, I know: "Linux machines don't need reboots". But, when it's almost 23H and I'm still at work, I'll try anything |
| 22:58 |
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chris |
another thing to try ricardo |
| 22:59 |
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chris |
turn nozebra off (dont install zebra, just turn it off) |
| 22:59 |
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chris |
try the import |
| 22:59 |
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ricardo |
I think I'll try that *right now*. Thanks for the tip |
| 22:59 |
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chris |
it might be the building the nozebra index gets slower the more records are inserted |
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chris |
if so then you can do the imprt, then turn nozebra back on and do the rebuild_nozebra.pl |
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pianohackr|work |
chris: if index rebuilding is the problem, wouldn't just disable the cronjob fix it? I admit I understand nozebra as little as possible |
| 23:00 |
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ricardo |
chris: Sounds like a plan to me :) |
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pianohackr|work |
s/disable/disabling/ |
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chris |
pianohackr|work: nozebra doesnt use a cron job |
| 23:01 |
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ricardo |
chris: Holy Smokes! You just switched ON the "Turbo Mode"! :D |
| 23:01 |
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chris |
it indexes continuously |
| 23:01 |
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chris |
so evertime you change something it indexes that change |
| 23:02 |
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chris |
hence nozebra is only for small record sets |
| 23:02 |
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chris |
ricardo: that means it will load fast, but the rebuild_nozebra will probably take a whi;e |
| 23:02 |
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brendan |
heya pianohackr|work |
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ricardo |
chris: *nod* |
| 23:03 |
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ricardo |
But this is A LOT faster. It's loading about 100 records every 3 seconds |
| 23:03 |
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chris |
that sounds about right |
| 23:04 |
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ricardo |
chris: Right... In the original one, it was taking about 5 minutes or so (per 100 records) in the later "batches" :S |
| 23:04 |
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chris |
yeah the way the indexes work, it has to scan them ... so as they grow it just gets slower and slower |
| 23:05 |
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Nate |
Happy Weekend everyone! |
| 23:05 |
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chris |
heya Nate |
| 23:05 |
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ricardo |
chris: Is it safe to abort "rebuild_nozebra.pl" if I see that it's very slow? (And run it again, later, "sending" it to the background) |
| 23:05 |
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Nate |
hiya chris |
| 23:05 |
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Nate |
heard you were under the weather |
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chris |
ricardo: yep, the search wont work so well until its done tho |
| 23:06 |
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ricardo |
chris: Nod |
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chris |
Nate: getting better |
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pianohackr|work |
hi brendan |
| 23:06 |
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Nate |
Thats great to hear chris |
| 23:06 |
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ricardo |
chris: BEFORE running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" I should turn "NoZebra" back on, right? Or is it OK to only enable it after running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" (I guess not) |
| 23:07 |
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chris |
yeah before, to be safe |
| 23:07 |
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ricardo |
chris: right |
| 23:09 |
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ricardo |
Finished running bulkmarcimport.pl |
| 23:09 |
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ricardo |
22708 MARC records done in 478.975821018219 seconds |
| 23:09 |
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chris |
thats more like it |
| 23:09 |
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ricardo |
So, that's about 8 Minutes "against" more than 10 HOURS (!) |
| 23:10 |
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ricardo |
I call that a "slight" performance improvement! ;-) |
| 23:10 |
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ricardo |
THANKS A LOT CHRIS! :D (CAPS fully intended, eheh) |
| 23:11 |
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ricardo |
Turning NoZebra back on |
| 23:12 |
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ricardo |
Doing Backup of Koha's MySQL database ... |
| 23:14 |
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ricardo |
Running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" |
| 23:15 |
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ricardo |
"Building BIBLIO indexes".... seems to be running quickly. Good. BRB |
| 23:26 |
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ricardo |
chris: Done :) |
| 23:27 |
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ricardo |
(it took 13 minutes to run "rebuild_nozebra.pl") |
| 23:27 |
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chris |
cool |
| 23:27 |
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ricardo |
chris: Way! :) |
| 23:28 |
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ricardo |
chris: Again, many thanks. I wonder if this would warrant a patch to "bulkmarcimport.pl" to disable NoZebra during its execution |
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pianohackr|work |
ricardo: A patch would at least be accepted. Others might notice issues we don't, but saving the current value of a syspref, setting to some value, doing stuff, then resetting has been done in a few batch jobs, I believe |
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ricardo |
pianohackr|work: *nod*... I could try to do that, but I won't probably be able to even *start* working on it before next Wednesday |
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pianohackr|work |
Never any hurry :) |
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ricardo |
:) |
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ricardo |
OK. I think that's the time for me to go home (23H30... gee). |
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chris |
have a good weekend |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: Thanks for trying to help |
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ricardo |
chris: Many thanks... And if you'd like me to buy you a Book or something, just name it! :) |
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chris |
no worries,just help someone else sometime :) |
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ricardo |
chris: Sure! :) |
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ricardo |
I'll now follow joetho example. Have a great weekend everyone! :) |
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gmcharlt |
hmm ... bulkmarcimport.pl + rebuild_nozebra.pl shouldn't be behaving like that. |
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chris |
with nozebra on the indexes are being built/updated after every record is added |
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gmcharlt |
the entirety of nozebra index? |
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chris |
nope, but the bigger it is, the slower it takes to update |
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* gmcharlt |
looks at rebuild_nozebra.pl, light dawns |
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gmcharlt |
grr |
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gmcharlt |
there's a reason why I try to pretend nozebra doesn't exist most of the time - and I keep rediscovering it |
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chris |
it doesnt actually use that |
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chris |
its the modzebra in Biblio |
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chris |
but yeah it locks tables and does all sorts of madness |
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gmcharlt |
exactly, that's what the light dawning was about |
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chris |
so its much faster to just build that indexes after |
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gmcharlt |
any, thanks for helping ricardo |
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chris |
np |
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brendan |
great to have chris back |
