Time Nick Message 23:56 brendan great to have chris back 23:50 chris np 23:50 gmcharlt any, thanks for helping ricardo 23:47 chris so its much faster to just build that indexes after 23:46 gmcharlt exactly, that's what the light dawning was about 23:46 chris but yeah it locks tables and does all sorts of madness 23:46 chris its the modzebra in Biblio 23:46 chris it doesnt actually use that 23:46 gmcharlt there's a reason why I try to pretend nozebra doesn't exist most of the time - and I keep rediscovering it 23:45 gmcharlt grr 23:44 * gmcharlt looks at rebuild_nozebra.pl, light dawns 23:44 chris nope, but the bigger it is, the slower it takes to update 23:43 gmcharlt the entirety of nozebra index? 23:43 chris with nozebra on the indexes are being built/updated after every record is added 23:41 gmcharlt hmm ... bulkmarcimport.pl + rebuild_nozebra.pl shouldn't be behaving like that. 23:39 ricardo I'll now follow joetho example. Have a great weekend everyone! :) 23:35 ricardo chris: Sure! :) 23:34 chris no worries,just help someone else sometime :) 23:34 ricardo chris: Many thanks... And if you'd like me to buy you a Book or something, just name it! :) 23:33 ricardo gmcharlt: Thanks for trying to help 23:33 chris have a good weekend 23:33 ricardo OK. I think that's the time for me to go home (23H30... gee). 23:32 ricardo :) 23:32 pianohackr|work Never any hurry :) 23:32 ricardo pianohackr|work: *nod*... I could try to do that, but I won't probably be able to even *start* working on it before next Wednesday 23:30 pianohackr|work ricardo: A patch would at least be accepted. Others might notice issues we don't, but saving the current value of a syspref, setting to some value, doing stuff, then resetting has been done in a few batch jobs, I believe 23:28 ricardo chris: Again, many thanks. I wonder if this would warrant a patch to "bulkmarcimport.pl" to disable NoZebra during its execution 23:27 ricardo chris: Way! :) 23:27 chris cool 23:27 ricardo (it took 13 minutes to run "rebuild_nozebra.pl") 23:26 ricardo chris: Done :) 23:15 ricardo "Building BIBLIO indexes".... seems to be running quickly. Good. BRB 23:14 ricardo Running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" 23:12 ricardo Doing Backup of Koha's MySQL database ... 23:11 ricardo Turning NoZebra back on 23:10 ricardo THANKS A LOT CHRIS! :D (CAPS fully intended, eheh) 23:10 ricardo I call that a "slight" performance improvement! ;-) 23:09 ricardo So, that's about 8 Minutes "against" more than 10 HOURS (!) 23:09 chris thats more like it 23:09 ricardo 22708 MARC records done in 478.975821018219 seconds 23:09 ricardo Finished running bulkmarcimport.pl 23:07 ricardo chris: right 23:07 chris yeah before, to be safe 23:06 ricardo chris: BEFORE running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" I should turn "NoZebra" back on, right? Or is it OK to only enable it after running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" (I guess not) 23:06 Nate Thats great to hear chris 23:06 pianohackr|work hi brendan 23:06 chris Nate: getting better 23:06 ricardo chris: Nod 23:05 chris ricardo: yep, the search wont work so well until its done tho 23:05 Nate heard you were under the weather 23:05 Nate hiya chris 23:05 ricardo chris: Is it safe to abort "rebuild_nozebra.pl" if I see that it's very slow? (And run it again, later, "sending" it to the background) 23:05 chris heya Nate 23:05 Nate Happy Weekend everyone! 23:04 chris yeah the way the indexes work, it has to scan them ... so as they grow it just gets slower and slower 23:04 ricardo chris: Right... In the original one, it was taking about 5 minutes or so (per 100 records) in the later "batches" :S 23:03 chris that sounds about right 23:03 ricardo But this is A LOT faster. It's loading about 100 records every 3 seconds 23:02 ricardo chris: *nod* 23:02 brendan heya pianohackr|work 23:02 chris ricardo: that means it will load fast, but the rebuild_nozebra will probably take a whi;e 23:02 chris hence nozebra is only for small record sets 23:01 chris so evertime you change something it indexes that change 23:01 chris it indexes continuously 23:01 ricardo chris: Holy Smokes! You just switched ON the "Turbo Mode"! :D 23:01 chris pianohackr|work: nozebra doesnt use a cron job 23:00 pianohackr|work s/disable/disabling/ 23:00 ricardo chris: Sounds like a plan to me :) 23:00 pianohackr|work chris: if index rebuilding is the problem, wouldn't just disable the cronjob fix it? I admit I understand nozebra as little as possible 23:00 chris if so then you can do the imprt, then turn nozebra back on and do the rebuild_nozebra.pl 22:59 chris it might be the building the nozebra index gets slower the more records are inserted 22:59 ricardo I think I'll try that *right now*. Thanks for the tip 22:59 chris try the import 22:59 chris turn nozebra off (dont install zebra, just turn it off) 22:58 chris another thing to try ricardo 22:50 ricardo I know, I know: "Linux machines don't need reboots". But, when it's almost 23H and I'm still at work, I'll try anything 22:49 ricardo (I believe that, if there's a memory leak, it's persistent. Let me reboot this baby) 22:48 ricardo pianohackr|work: That's a very nice tip. I almost never used "screen", but this seems a terrific "use case" to use it 22:47 pianohackr|work You could run it inside a screen session, detach, then reattach later and see how it was doing 22:47 pianohackr|work ricardo: Do you have screen installed? 22:45 ricardo I'm now using "--commit". Let's see if that's faster. If it's not, I'll run this again, redirect output to a file and head home 22:44 ricardo (that's almost 10 Hours for 21400 records) 22:44 ricardo 578m32.482s 22:43 ricardo 21400 records 22:43 ricardo gmcharlt: I got fed up and aborted the process... Here's the times for the aborted process: 22:33 ricardo Ropuch: OK :) If you can do that in Perl instead, I'm betting that there's some module in CPAN to help you. PHP also has some Regexp functions (and there's also PEAR that is a *lot* smaller than CPAN, but may also have some good module) 22:32 Ropuch ricardo don't bother, I'll try to figure/google it put myself :) 22:29 ricardo Ropuch: Hmmm.... I guess you can do that with RegExp, but I'm not sure if that will be the most efficient way of solving that problem. Let me try it something with some RegExp online tester 22:28 ricardo gmcharlt: "commit the number of records to wait before performing a 'commit' operation" ... I'm NOT using "commit" and that might explain why this is taking this long (probably it's creating a very large "commit stack" now - my term... I don't know what is the "official" expression) 22:27 Ropuch I have html file and want to extract everything between <body class="foo"></body> 22:26 Ropuch I'm trying some really simple thing 22:26 ricardo Ropuch: I haven't touched PHP in several years... But, if you wish, you may ask the question regarding "Regexps" 22:25 ricardo It's around 18% 22:24 ricardo gmcharlt: Oh... I was just talking to my imaginary friend ;-) 22:24 gmcharlt but no, memory consumption looks OK 22:24 gmcharlt was wondering why you were talking to yourself 22:24 ricardo gmcharlt: "27097 root 20 0 98.7m 87m 5088 S 1.3 17.7 23:27.18 bulkmarcimport." 22:24 ricardo ricardo: "27097 root 20 0 98.7m 87m 5088 S 1.3 17.7 23:27.18 bulkmarcimport." 22:24 gmcharlt if it's bunches, there may be a memory leak involved, in which case it's slowing down because its abusing swap 22:23 ricardo joetho: West Coast, Portugal ;-) 22:23 joetho west coast US? 22:23 gmcharlt another thing to check - look at the process in top, see how much memory it's consuming 22:23 ricardo (yep, still at work...) 22:23 ricardo joetho: Friday, 22H21 here 22:23 ricardo gmcharlt: I'll have to wait a bit before doing that (it's importing now), but yes, I'll try that in a while 22:22 joetho nope, not really 22:22 Ropuch s/nows/knows 22:22 joetho wow, it must be Friday afternoon where you are 22:22 Ropuch joetho: you look like someone who nows php/regexps ;> 22:22 ricardo joetho: So, the general conclusion is: "Size matters"? ;-) 22:22 gmcharlt ricardo: bulkmarcimport? try adding a --commit 200 to the command line 22:22 joetho I suppose. 22:21 joetho I look like a small import? 22:21 Ropuch joetho: you look like one! ;> 22:21 joetho then if one batch hung up, why, blame the records 22:21 Ropuch Anyone proficient with regexp/php? 22:21 ricardo joetho: *nod* 22:21 joetho anyway, I was going to suggest smaller imports if possible, 22:21 ricardo gmcharlt: Any tips / info /suspicions regarding my issue? 22:20 joetho well I do on that OTHER channel 22:20 ricardo ;-) 22:20 ricardo gmcharlt++ 22:20 ricardo gmcharlt: LOL! 22:20 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #53 added. 22:20 gmcharlt @quote add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? 22:20 gmcharlt joetho: no you don't :) 22:19 ricardo LOL! 22:19 joetho I guess I get to say anything I want. 22:19 joetho HA 22:18 munin ricardo: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 22:18 ricardo @quote add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? 22:18 ricardo joetho: Right... I wonder if I broke down the ISO file in several ones, would that accelerate the process? Not sure 22:18 joetho is this a production server? 22:18 joetho and anyway I don't think this causing your slowdown 22:18 joetho I have experienced slowdowns with other processes involving large numbers of giant records, but I haven't imported tens of thousands of records at once 22:17 munin ricardo: Error: The command "add" is available in the Alias, Bugzilla, Herald, Lart, News, Quote, and Todo plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add". 22:17 ricardo @add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? 22:17 ricardo Eheh... OK, seriously: some of them have relatively large abstracts, but not many of them, I think 22:17 ricardo LOL! 22:16 joetho isosceles trapezoidal? 22:16 joetho not long and pointy? 22:16 joetho I wonder if some records have huge fields 22:16 ricardo joetho: I think they are a bit rectangular... ;-) 22:15 joetho what kind of shape are the records in? 22:15 ricardo Swap: 771080k total, 88k used, 770992k free, 224892k cached 22:15 joetho hmmm 22:15 ricardo Mem: 505820k total, 498460k used, 7360k free, 134544k buffers 22:15 ricardo Cpu(s): 9.4%us, 13.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.3%id, 74.9%wa, 0.0%hi, 2.0%si, 0.0%st 22:14 ricardo joetho: Yep 22:14 joetho the slowdown seems to be triggered by the import? 22:13 joetho ricardo - does your system seem normal otherwise? 22:12 ricardo Rats... Schuster has given a friendly tip and then run off. I would reply that I'm NOT using Zebra. 22:10 schuster with that tip I'm gone for the weekend! 22:09 schuster ZEBRA has probably kicked in causing things to slowwwww downnnn... 22:08 ricardo (this is a Virtual Machine with 512 Megs RAM allocated, running SUSE, if that's relevant) 22:06 ricardo Does anyone have the same problem that I do: in 3.0.X, a bulkmarcimport seems to get slower as it progresses loading an ISO file with some tens of thousands of records. That is, the first 1000 records are quickly imported, but the next 1000 records take a bit longer than that... and when it has loaded 10000 records or so, it seems to be "crawling"... 22:04 ricardo Hi everyone! 21:52 wizzyrea have a good weekend, stay safe east-coasters :) 21:52 wizzyrea going home, this snow is just silly 21:52 wizzyrea ok, giving up 21:30 Ropuch Ok, much better after tidy 21:14 * owen leaves to brave the terrifying, er, rain. 21:13 jwagner Enjoy the snow, everyone who lives in the target region. The rest of you, enjoy whatever the weather gods send you :-) 21:11 chris_n enough fun for one day.... bbl 21:06 Ropuch But let's what tidy can do about it 21:05 Ropuch I was trying to be nice when I said 'ugly' ;> 21:05 owen Wow ugly is right 21:01 Ropuch Source is really ugly ;> 21:01 Ropuch 4.01 Transitional 21:00 Ropuch Simply running docbook2html koha3-2manual.xml produces http://bagno.be/doc/ 20:59 chris super fast indexer 20:59 chris real 0m0.564s 20:59 chris time omindex --db default/ --url / /var/www/stats/manual_en 20:59 Ropuch s/bandwitch/bandwith 20:58 Ropuch Maybe we can spare some bandwitch 20:58 Ropuch I must talk to my boss and our IT guy 20:58 chris (uses xapian) 20:56 chris try it out, its pretty fast 20:56 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/omega/omega 20:55 wizzyrea pennies/mo 20:55 wizzyrea bandwidth for KLOW is very cheap 20:55 wizzyrea yea, we don't want that 20:54 Ropuch Kinda 20:54 chris i only have 40 gig a month on my home machine 20:54 Ropuch chris: yes 20:54 chris nope 20:54 wizzyrea you don't want that to stay on your server, right chris? 20:54 chris and i have a search 20:54 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/ 20:54 chris thats what my script does 20:54 wizzyrea oh that is pretty 20:53 chris Ropuch: like this http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/ch01s04.html 20:53 wizzyrea o cool 20:53 jdavidb I've been trying to "slow-food" more. Found some lovely local providers at the Dupont Circle farmer's market. yummmmy butter n cheese... 20:53 wizzyrea electric mixer 20:53 Ropuch wizzyrea: gimme sec, i have it locally 20:53 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: Hmm. In a churn, or an electric mixer? 20:53 jwagner I grew up on a farm. Cream fresh from the morning milking on the breakfast cereal. Yum. 20:53 wizzyrea Ropuch: link? 20:53 wizzyrea I mean you can do it with heavy whipping, but it takes a while 20:53 Ropuch docbook2html produces quite nice output with images 20:52 wizzyrea and un-homogenized 20:52 wizzyrea like, from the cow, practically 20:52 wizzyrea but you have to have VERY fresh cream to make it 20:52 wizzyrea yes, indeed 20:52 pianohackr|work homemade butter is also good 20:51 jdavidb Yeah, we have that brand here; just not what I buy. 20:50 jdavidb ah... 20:50 wizzyrea you may not have this where you are 20:50 wizzyrea yea, land o lakes butter? 20:50 jdavidb butter, wizzyrea? 20:50 wizzyrea mmmm butter 20:49 moodaepo Yea damn swamp country er I mean land of lakes. 20:49 brendan my temp doesn't change much all year 20:48 brendan but during the summer - you will most likely beat me on a daily basis 20:48 nengard and there is no snow here yet - it will come tonight 20:48 moodaepo chris_n: You betcha it's usually the other end of brendan's temp gauge up here 20:48 nengard i'm home under a blanket already :) 20:48 wizzyrea just stay safe in the nasty weather 20:48 nengard for now - if we can get the manual up in any searchable format that would make me happy - we can make it pretty later - as long as it's searchable and readable i'm a-ok 20:48 wizzyrea :) 20:48 wizzyrea nengard: i'm pretty sure it can be done 20:47 nengard wizzyrea - okay it's friday my brain is fried - it's been a crazy week for me - lots of work - so maybe i think about this tomorrow or next week 20:47 moodaepo brendan allo 20:47 nengard but those are the big parts 20:47 wizzyrea dk why it wouldn't be 20:47 nengard some of it is CSS ... 20:46 nengard chris wizzyrea i just realized - we're not taking about editing the css - we're talking about putting an include at the top and bottom of the manual - to include the head and the footer -- is that possible? 20:46 chris_n heatwave moodaepo? 20:45 nengard i know - i'm good :) 20:45 chris_n wow.. documentation in latin... very good nengard ;-) 20:45 jwagner It's been snowing for over 4 hours, but it's finally starting to stick rather than just turning wet. Now, about that two feet of snow forecast.... 20:45 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 20:45 chris @wunder wellington nz 20:41 brendan hi moodaepo 20:40 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.6�C (2:35 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Falling). 20:40 moodaepo @wunder 56001 20:37 wizzyrea that and the content divs 20:37 joetho I kind of like it in Latin. 20:36 nengard guess we just ignore 'sidebar.php' and ta da it's done 20:36 nengard that's what i was thinking 20:36 nengard yup yup 20:35 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:35 wizzyrea nengard: no actual content, but this is what it could look like 20:34 wizzyrea ooh la la 20:33 joetho either that, or the dance troupe downtown 20:33 joetho my girlfriend is driving to Lawrence this afternoon, I *think* to see Liz 20:33 nengard not yet, looks like it will start after dark 20:32 brendan nengard you getting any snow yet? 20:32 jdavidb "overcast", my missing foot! It is that, but how come it doesn't say "Snow"? 20:32 nengard joetho -when your advisory ends mine starts 20:32 munin joetho: The current temperature in Overland Park, Overland Park, Kansas is 0.4�C (2:15 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... 20:32 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 1.1�C (3:23 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 PM EST Saturday... 20:32 joetho @wunder mission, ks 20:32 jdavidb @wunder 20852 20:32 munin nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 2.7�C (3:15 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday... 20:32 nengard @wunder 19030 20:31 munin joetho: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 0.6�C (2:29 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). 20:31 joetho @wunder lawrence, ks 20:31 nengard when does it update? I'll need to see it in action to see if I did it right :) 20:31 nengard i'll look into it and see if I can get the stylesheet working on the copy on your site chris 20:31 brendan chris_n munin got that one right for you 20:31 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 5.9�C (3:25 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Falling). Flood Watch in effect through late tonight... 20:31 chris_n @wunder 28334 20:31 brendan should be flooding munin -> not high winds 20:30 joetho make mine a double 20:30 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (12:22 PM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... 20:30 brendan @wunder 93117 20:30 brendan yummy saltwater 20:30 joetho We should all rinse our mouths with saltwater 20:30 chris but now im off to rinse my mouth with saltwater 20:30 chris then i could just scp the dir somewhere 20:29 chris not me tho :) but when someone does, and updates the css in git, my script will start using it 20:29 nengard and just have the header and footer from the wp theme 20:29 nengard also we would want to remove the right column from the manual for space sake 20:29 nengard that's what i figured 20:27 chris yeah with some work you could marry manual.css and style.css into something useful 20:22 nengard brb 20:22 chris lemme try something gimme 5 mins 20:21 wizzyrea doesn't matter to me, the link to the theme is at the bottom of every page 20:21 wizzyrea Ah 20:21 nengard the reason the manual looked the way it did on Chris' server was cause of the CSS I wrote up/edited 20:21 joetho those big bars on the side? 20:21 nengard and then it will look seamless 20:21 nengard wizzrea i can apply the same CSS to the manual as the one we use on WP 20:20 wizzyrea which I think we do 20:20 wizzyrea not if you want it to match the rest of the site 20:20 Ropuch Maybe I'll set up a wordpress and read some xslt docs 20:20 nengard just pointing things out :) 20:20 wizzyrea mmm probably not 20:20 nengard not -unrelaxed 20:20 joetho I wonder if it would be better to make it a freestanding directory, completely out of the wp thing. 20:20 wizzyrea i know it's exciting :) 20:19 wizzyrea yea, relax chum, we'll get there ;) 20:19 nengard also it's all on one page - and that's a BUTTLOAD of content for one page ... the old script Chris used at least spit it into pages 20:19 joetho well it IS friday afternoon 20:19 wizzyrea yes, that is probably a function of the kit we used 20:18 nengard ick - and the bullets aren't there 20:18 wizzyrea but it is there 20:18 wizzyrea it seems to have put some junk in 20:18 wizzyrea try it now 20:18 wizzyrea lol 20:18 wizzyrea sheesh 20:18 wizzyrea yes yes 20:18 wizzyrea hmm 20:18 joetho although I am one to talk, my php project on my server at joetho.com has been dead in the water for months 20:17 Ropuch Warning: require(../../../wp-blog-header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/koha-community/public_html/wp-content/themes/cordobo-green-park-2/docs.php on line 8 20:17 joetho can't you use an html directory in wp? 20:15 * jdavidb did *not* need to know about joetho's panties. 20:15 nengard LOL 20:15 joetho but I bet that's where it will be soon, and my panties are not moving, regardless 20:15 nengard i love the manual and all -- but not that much 20:15 nengard that saying is so silly :) hehe 20:14 wizzyrea just a min lol keep your panties on 20:14 wizzyrea nm 20:14 wizzyrea no, I mean, email at the speed of light >.> 20:14 joetho well NOW it is 20:14 nengard LOL - not that silly :) that's empty 20:14 joetho http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:12 nengard where do i go to see? 20:12 nengard i wanna see!! :) 20:12 wizzyrea hey look at that 20:11 wizzyrea woot! 20:11 chris yep, on its way to the right address now 20:11 wizzyrea lrea does though ;) 20:11 wizzyrea haha. oh sigh. 20:11 chris did you know liz@ doesnt work, you should fix that :-) 20:10 joetho so put a disclaimer that the dox project is being moved so may look a little rough 20:10 owen Can anyone confirm? Renew column empty on checkout page for patrons with checkouts from today? 20:10 chris just wanna see how horrible it looks :) 20:09 chris but that shouldnt be hard to fix 20:09 wizzyrea possibly 20:09 chris probably missing all the images 20:09 joetho I think that the 3.2 activity of the last few days is going to make the 3.2 dox pretty popular 20:09 wizzyrea totally new territory for me, sorry 20:09 wizzyrea ty ty 20:09 chris on its way 20:08 * owen sees an empty "renew" column on circulation.pl for a patron with checkouts from today 20:08 joetho chris- the cowboy way would be to put your html directory into a zip file and send it to liz to post as a directory 20:07 * owen suspects CanBookBeRenewed is messing up somewhere but can't figure out where 20:07 wizzyrea ya 20:07 chris to your nekls address? 20:07 wizzyrea AH 20:07 chris its what that docbook-kit generated for me 20:07 wizzyrea send it to me plox :) 20:07 wizzyrea lol 20:07 chris who knows 20:07 wizzyrea this is just a php script? or a plugin? 20:06 joetho I have a pretty big php mess on my own server that I don't have time to troubleshoot 20:06 Ropuch Nah, such a plugin is nice challenge 20:06 chris cos i do have the file now, i just dunno how to put it up on the site 20:05 wizzyrea Ropuch: it's ok 20:05 Ropuch wizzyrea: wish i was more proficient with php/wordpress 20:05 chris how do i upload that to the site? 20:05 chris so if i have a koha3-2manual.wp.php 20:05 wizzyrea (she probably always does) 20:04 chris ok 20:04 wizzyrea which might mean that nicole has a special branch for writing, and one for display 20:04 wizzyrea is something that git pulls the XML/HTML, converts it, then outputs it on a schedule without anybody having to touch it. 20:03 wizzyrea What I really want, if we're talking pie in the sky... 20:02 Ropuch But maybe I was thinking about asciidoc 20:02 Ropuch I was sure docBook can export documents to html 20:00 Ropuch Yes, I saw the docs :) 20:00 nengard chris has a script he uses to generate the HTML now 20:00 wizzyrea then a tag to output it in a page 20:00 Ropuch Ok, I get it 20:00 wizzyrea cache the conversion on a schedule 19:59 wizzyrea maybe, point the plugin at a git repo that holds the docs 19:59 wizzyrea hmm 19:59 wizzyrea like 19:59 wizzyrea and then the ability to easily embed that in a WP page 19:59 wizzyrea what she said 19:59 nengard display 19:59 nengard it needs to translate docbook XML into HTML for dispaly 19:58 Ropuch nengard, wizzyrea: what such a plugin is supposed to do? Step-by-step: nengard writes documentation and exports it in this wp-friendly output and then what? 19:54 * owen braces himself 19:53 * chris tries something out 19:47 chris http://github.com/remko/docbook-kit/blob/master/README 19:46 wizzyrea very useful 19:46 wizzyrea actually that would be a super awesome wordpress plugin 19:45 Ropuch last time i was using wp... ;> 19:44 nengard Ropuch wanna write one for me :) 19:44 Ropuch Ask someone to write one for you ;-) 19:44 wizzyrea humbug 19:43 nengard wizzyrea i had already looked for a plugin - no luck 19:43 Ropuch And freeware and open source is equal for them 19:42 Ropuch Which pisses me off 19:42 Ropuch I know, but our library scientist don't - yet they are publishing articles without conducting proper searchs first 19:41 chris yeah, vufind, blacklight, sopac, scriblio etc 19:39 Ropuch chris: I just want to inform the author that Encore isn't the only one opac-addon that can work with different ILS ;> 19:33 * wizzyrea was hoping for a plugin :P 19:33 nengard chris i agree - aqua browser is horrible!! 19:33 wizzyrea yea, I'm not quite comprehending it either lol 19:32 nengard no prob at all - that's why i put it in email so it was saved :) 19:32 chris that article is too hard for my brain to comprehend nengard will read again when im not on drugs 19:32 chris :) 19:32 chris aqua browser is horrible, fwiw 19:30 Ropuch chris: I know, but in the article only Scriblio, Encore and Aqua browser are mentioned 19:29 wizzyrea dk if it will help us, but we'll see 19:29 nengard clicking now 19:29 nengard WOO HOO 19:29 wizzyrea nengard: http://el-tramo.be/blog/integrating-docbook-with-wordpress 19:20 chris they did sopac (The drupal one) integration with koha 19:20 chris you might want to talk to the biblibre guys 19:18 Ropuch And want some facts in my reply :) 19:18 Ropuch I'm curious 19:18 Ropuch Although there's not much sense in integrating it with Koha, I'll give it a try 19:17 chris yeah the point was that it should work with any, might be some mucking around, but it should be possible 19:17 Ropuch I've made my point alredy - the author said that Scriblio works only with particular ILS, which is not true (with marc importing) 19:16 pianohacker brb work 19:15 Ropuch I know that one can import marc records into it 19:15 chris in theory yes Ropuch 19:15 Ropuch I;m just writing a reply to some poor written article - scriblio works regardles of ILS? 19:15 * jwagner pouts 19:14 jwagner I wanna go :-( 19:12 Ropuch Lucky ;> 19:11 wizzyrea yessss 19:11 chris officially registered now 19:11 chris yep, and you are stored in the db 19:10 chris cool 19:10 wizzyrea seems to work!! 19:00 jwagner Let Laurel take them while you get some peace and quiet :-) 19:00 chris and sickbed is crowded with them all in it too hehe 19:00 chris hehe i shouldnt, but the kids would love that 18:59 jwagner chris, you aren't leaving your sickbed to go frolic, are you??? 18:58 chris http://www.elementsfestival.org.nz/programme.html 18:49 chris_n good to see you getting back well 18:49 * chris_n greets chris 18:35 chris hi Ropuch 18:34 Ropuch Hi chris 18:32 chris heh 18:30 schuster wizzyrea is probably on it! 18:30 chris if someone who is planning to come wants to test the form out, that would be sweet :) 18:29 chris ok, i think that is good to go now 18:29 nengard pianohacker you should also probably report bugs for all of the items you decided to not include in the sys prefs because they didn't work or whatever 18:28 chris got it 18:28 nengard no prob - you just have to tackle a few things i didn't know how to do :) 18:27 pianohacker nengard++ 18:26 chris wil do 18:26 owen border : 0; 18:25 owen Oh sorry, didn't anticipate the default. 18:25 chris cos now the border is bigger :) 18:25 chris hmm took that out, but there must be another fieldset one 18:23 chris okie dokie 18:23 chris delete it totally? 18:23 owen yeah, I don't think you need that border 18:22 chris that line? 18:22 chris border: 1px solid #EEE; 18:22 chris fixed the li, editing the css now 18:21 owen I would also remove the "border: 1px solid #EEE" from the fieldset CSS 18:21 chris can do 18:21 chris its the not being able to open your mouth wide enough to get the spoon in that is annoying 18:21 owen <li class="radio"> 18:21 owen Are you able to change the markup of the last <li> ? 18:20 chris jwagner: yeah its actually good, dairy is good for lining your stomach 18:20 chris owen: http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/registration/ 18:20 jwagner I can imagine. Does ice cream count as food? 18:19 chris its actually eating is the hard part, but i have to take the drugs with food 18:16 jwagner (And all sympathies for the pain!) 18:16 jwagner chris, a tip from one who's been there -- don't try coding on drugs :-) 18:15 chris as long as i keep taking the drugs and getting rest should be all good 18:15 owen Hi chris, I hope you're on the mend? 18:15 chris morning 18:00 * jwagner sneers at the storm. I've seen worse! 17:59 jdavidb :D 17:59 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 2.9�C (12:53 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 PM EST Saturday... 17:59 jdavidb @wunder 20852 17:59 wizzyrea which means you can go out and PLAY!!! 17:59 wizzyrea above freezing, even 17:58 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 1.4�C (11:56 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until noon CST today... 17:58 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 17:58 wizzyrea and it's not too cold, which is the part I like 17:58 jdavidb We get that fluffy stuff here, too, wizzyrea. Lindsey had never seen that before the December storm; it does *not* do that in West TX, ever. 17:57 * jdavidb suggests that jwagner look over the tops of her glasses at the snowstorm brewing outside. 17:53 wizzyrea fluffiest snow ever 17:53 wizzyrea outside my house earlier 17:53 wizzyrea http://yfrog.com/4efi8pj 17:53 jwagner Personally, I find that just looking over the tops of my glasses usually works.... 17:51 wizzyrea lol 17:51 * jwagner_lunch wonders if it's safe to come back in, with all the glaring and glowering going on.... 17:49 * chris_n glowers at the rain, wishing it were snow :-( 17:47 wizzyrea yay for backwards moving storms! 17:47 wizzyrea this radar is awesome http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=TWX&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes 17:47 * jdavidb never needed a DAD glare with his kids. Just lucky, I guess. 17:46 wizzyrea if you're going to kohacon maybe Mr. Wizzyrea can show you his, it's frightful 17:44 * owen just wishes his DAD glare worked better 17:43 wizzyrea owen you crack me up 17:36 jdavidb owen, it's been a pleasure working with you. You realize you're doomed, right? 17:34 * owen runs away laughing 17:34 owen I know the one, and I know the appropriate response. 17:34 wizzyrea don't make me use it, owen ;) 17:34 nengard k - lunch time - did patching did documenting - probably have more of both after lunch 17:34 wizzyrea you know the one 17:34 * wizzyrea gets out the MOM glare 17:33 * wizzyrea glares at owen 17:33 * owen demands royalties for each pageview 17:33 wizzyrea ;) 17:33 wizzyrea and owen 17:33 nengard whatever we decide i agree - i know it will be open :) 17:33 owen And don't forget someone sent you an image :P 17:33 nengard i agree :0 17:33 wizzyrea and chris 17:32 wizzyrea easy for gmcharlt, nengard, and me to agree :) 17:32 wizzyrea not if we get the license statement put on while we still only have 3 proper contributors :) 17:31 owen wizzyrea: The difficulty about licensing with the Wiki was based on the long history of different contributors. At least we won't have that with the new site 17:31 wizzyrea it is our shining beacon of kumbaya singing community happiness, and I want to keep it that way 17:30 wizzyrea I am loathe to have any drama surrounding koha-community.org 17:29 wizzyrea >.< 17:29 wizzyrea i agree with you on that, then we'd never have to have this argument again 17:29 * chris_n thinks we need to settle on a licensing scheme to cover all things Koha once and for all 17:27 chris_n and this update would fail if there exist duplicate ids 17:27 chris_n gmcharlt: email sent 17:27 * wizzyrea ducks 17:27 wizzyrea here goes nothin... 17:23 wizzyrea thanks, I may need it. 17:23 Ropuch geez, they even claims that freeware and open source is the same thing 17:23 * jdavidb hands wizzyrea an nomex bodysuit, just in cae. 17:21 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.1�C (9:17 AM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... 17:21 brendan @wunder forecast 93117 17:20 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.1�C (9:17 AM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... 17:20 brendan @wunder 93117 17:20 owen Better to find out now. 17:19 wizzyrea or would that ignite a firestorm? 17:19 wizzyrea So, licensing. Guess I should just send that to the list then? 17:08 Ropuch But someone had to say that emperor is naked 17:07 Ropuch I talked too much inconvenient things bacj then when I was workinh in the institute 17:06 Ropuch They don't like me anyway 17:06 nengard cool 17:06 nengard :) 17:06 Ropuch nengard: I intend to 17:05 Ropuch "scientits' know noyhing about real work 17:05 nengard it's worth contacting the author and telling them that they're idiots 17:05 Ropuch Tha main problem is that there's a hole between librarians and 'library scientists' teaching at the University 17:03 Ropuch But the article is nothing special, really 17:03 Ropuch Here 17:03 Ropuch http://merlin.pl/Uniwersum-pismiennictwa-wobec-komunikacji-elektronicznej_Wydawnictwo-Uniwersytetu/browse/product/1,733568.html 17:03 Ropuch [; 17:03 Ropuch It's from 'Uniwersum pi�miennictwa wobec komunikacji elektronicznej' 17:03 nengard k - if someone gives me the citation i'll see what i can do 17:03 hdl_laptop and maybe ggltranslate 17:02 wizzyrea google translate? 17:02 hdl_laptop maybe translated into polish FROM english 17:02 nengard i could still find it - just not read it :) 17:02 Ropuch nengard: it is in polish :) 17:02 nengard ah 17:02 hdl_laptop nengard: could be in polish ;) 17:01 nengard what's the citation? I can find a copy of it if I have a citation 17:00 wizzyrea and that *was* it's original purpose 17:00 wizzyrea well, it does that too lol 17:00 Ropuch ;> 17:00 Ropuch You too 17:00 kf have a nice weekend all! 17:00 kf :) 16:59 kf g 16:59 Ropuch The author refers to WordPress as "blogging management system" 16:58 Ropuch Our library science is on its way down 16:58 wizzyrea where rallied = planning our escape (or rather, hoping that PTFS will save us... we're optimistic) 16:58 Ropuch and i was pretty sure it's just a copy of another one 16:57 Ropuch the article is shitty anyway 16:57 Ropuch Yep 16:57 wizzyrea rallied around liblime... <grumble> 16:57 wizzyrea yes, what journal? 16:57 Ropuch On monday 16:57 gmcharlt what journal? 16:56 wizzyrea ohh a print article 16:56 Ropuch wizzyrea: I can scan it 16:56 Ropuch The text is full of error 16:56 wizzyrea link 16:56 wizzyrea omg 16:56 Ropuch Ugh! I've just finished reading an article about new OPACs, and although Koha is mentioned, it is said that "Koha is developed by librarians rallied round LIbLime" 16:55 hdl_laptop IsMemberBlocked is simply trying to see if the user is debarred or not 16:54 joetho Bug 4036 16:54 hdl_laptop But it is a rewrite and changes the debarred behaviour to be a date 16:53 hdl_laptop there is work on that part at the moment. 16:53 nengard wil do 16:53 gmcharlt nengard: you're right, mark that as a blocker for 3.2 - getting WebBasedSelfCheck to actually work is easy 16:53 hdl_laptop AH..... 16:53 owen I'm trying to understand what conditions cause USERBLOCKEDREMAINING and USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE 16:52 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING 16:52 owen hdl_laptop: could you look at Bug 4036? 16:52 hdl_laptop yes 16:52 wizzyrea I know slef usually has an opinion on these things, that's why I asked :/ 16:52 owen hdl_laptop? 16:50 nengard gmcharlt - no matter what i set WebBasedSelfCheck to i can access the web self checkout page ... so maybe the notes were right in saying that the pref didn't work 16:49 owen Should we stick to GPL 2 for other content? 16:48 owen Since we're going through this with the wiki: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing ... 16:48 nengard and i ahve that in the xml 16:48 nengard manual is licensed under the CC - just fyi 16:45 wizzyrea for the site content itself 16:45 wizzyrea CC or .. 16:45 wizzyrea Presumably there will need to be some sort of licensing information on the new site 16:45 wizzyrea can o worms 16:45 wizzyrea oh 16:43 wizzyrea beautiful, owen 16:43 wizzyrea done 16:42 wizzyrea yes, delightful :D 16:42 owen wizzyrea: How about this? http://zivotdesign.com/examples/kohalogo-g.png 16:36 * jwagner thinks I'll head for the liquor store, er, fast food joint 16:33 nengard got a question - does OpacPrivacy control whether the patron reading history is kept in the staff client as well? cause if the data is kept at all then it's not really private .... 16:21 chris_n but dups are not caught by the import_borrowers.pl script 16:20 chris_n ok, dup userid's are caught when creating new patrons 16:16 owen Yeah, thanks for reminding me 16:16 wizzyrea owen: I know you're terribly busy... you said you had an alternate koha logo for the temp website? 16:16 chris_n it bears more looking into and fixing as well 16:15 chris_n I'll open a bug for it 16:15 owen ...but really it's warning about the OPAC login, not the password. 16:15 chris_n all of the essentials: food and wireless internet 16:15 wizzyrea hehehe 16:15 * jdavidb makes that pic his desktop background. The evil minion will laugh her ears off at that. 16:14 * chris_n prepared his raft last evening ;-) 16:14 * chris_n thinks the that column should be defined as unique 16:14 jwagner (I think chris_n falls in the "buy a boat" area)! 16:14 owen This from memberentry.pl 16:14 chris_n owen: tnx 16:14 owen Yes 16:14 jwagner The OPAC login? 16:14 owen "Login/password already exists." 16:14 owen chris_n: I tried to save a patron record with a duplicate username and password and I got an error 16:13 chris_n jwagner: no borrowers.userid 16:13 wizzyrea yea, you'll note that I also fall in the "hit the liquor store" area :D 16:13 jwagner chris_n, you mean patron barcodes? I thought it wouldn't let you save a duplicate? 16:13 jdavidb I love that graphic, wizzyrea! 16:13 * jwagner falls in the totally screwed category.... 16:12 jwagner wizzyrea -- Harrumph! 16:12 * owen obeys wizzyrea and hits the liquor store 16:12 chris_n am I correct in the thought that it appears at present we do not check for/limit duplicate userid's 16:11 wizzyrea and good morning 16:11 wizzyrea http://twitpic.com/11i0dy 16:11 wizzyrea for you east coasters 16:11 owen Thanks, I couldn't remember if I'd filed a bug before 16:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING 16:09 jwagner There's Bug 4036, but I thought there was an earlier bug/patch too 16:07 jwagner But I could be mistaken.... 16:07 jwagner I know it's shown up & I thought it was patched. 16:07 owen jwagner: Did you think it was fixed? 16:06 schuster ???circ error message??? 16:04 jwagner Again??? That one keeps showing up.... 16:01 gmcharlt very zen-like 16:01 * owen grumbles about this circ error message: http://zivotdesign.com/examples/circ-error-message.png 15:57 gmcharlt owen: if you're feeling even more ambitious, a new C4 function to create the IntranetBiblioDefaultView redirect would be nice 15:22 nengard thanks gmcharlt 15:21 * owen will see if he can make it so 15:21 hdl_laptop owen: yes. 15:19 gmcharlt nengard: I've pushed them - I'll leave it to you to deal with updating/closing the bugs 15:14 owen hdl_laptop: Do you agree that this redirect should follow the IntranetBiblioDefaultView system preference? 15:14 nengard gmcharlt - i think i'm done with the sys prefs patches 15:14 hdl_laptop this was asked 15:14 hdl_laptop when you create a new record, then redirection is on additem 15:13 hdl_laptop owen when you modify a record, it is quite logicial to be redirected to the display of the record. 14:59 gmcharlt would be nice 14:58 owen I wonder if that redirect should obey the bibliodefaultview preference 14:58 gmcharlt +1 (no need for syspref, then) 14:58 owen Maybe a button that says "save and add items?" 14:57 jwagner I prefer it this way -- it's always annoyed me that editing a bib record takes me into item creation instead of back to the display. 14:57 gmcharlt so whether operator pref is needed will be decided by whether I get a herd of angry catalogers outside my door 14:57 * owen will have to warn them 14:57 owen Beware of changing catalogers' expectations about their workflow! 14:56 gmcharlt makes sense to me too 14:56 owen I guess that makes a certain amount of sense. 14:56 gmcharlt owen: ok, looks like creating new bib sends you to item form, editing bib does not 14:55 gmcharlt (actually, staff operator preferences, as opposed to system preferences, would be nice to add for 3.4) 14:54 gmcharlt seems like it should be a cataloger preference 14:54 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: ^^ commit is 709e3b - why was change made? 14:54 * owen doesn't know 14:53 gmcharlt hmm - when did that happen? 14:53 * owen notices that saving a MARC record now redirects you to the MARC detail page rather than the additem screen 14:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1080 enhancement, P2, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, REOPENED, How about telling the template to make a noise on circulation errors? 14:47 schuster seeing the discussion on sounds again - @bug 1080 - love the discussion! 14:31 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 1.3�C (9:28 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect from noon EST today through late tonight... 14:31 chris_n @wunder 28334 14:27 schuster question so if I'm on 3.00.x - I should be able to do the 3.2 tarbal as an upgrade on a test system correct and start playing with 3.2? 14:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4120 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, WebBasedSelfCheck 14:21 schuster I've put in a but @bug 4120 for the enhancement on web based self check. 14:21 schuster brrr... 14:20 munin schuster: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 4.7�C (8:17 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising). 14:20 schuster @wunder Plano,TX 14:20 gmcharlt keep your small children weighted down 14:20 * moodaepo wonders what the heck is "Lake Wind Advisory" : ) 14:19 moodaepo gmcharlt wins! 14:19 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Central Gainesville, Gainesville, Florida is 19.1�C (9:16 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising). Lake Wind Advisory in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST this evening... 14:19 gmcharlt @wunder Gainesville, FL 14:18 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -1.4�C (8:15 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling). 14:18 moodaepo @wunder Mankato. MN 14:16 gmcharlt e.g., if on-shelf hold requests are allowed, library may want the hold request to trump 14:16 gmcharlt depends on what the library wants 14:16 gmcharlt by providing options - (a) silently allow the loan and rejigger the holds queue (b) add an ability for staff member to enter override on the spot (c) stick with current bheavior 14:15 schuster I don't know how you would enhance it... I guess maybe a message with a prompt for override by someone with appropriate credentials? 14:14 gmcharlt schuster: it's an enhancement request though, so please *do* put it into bugs.koha.org ;) 14:14 schuster FYI we LOVE WebBasedSelfCheck... as it is... 14:14 schuster actually that isn't a bug but a workflow issue. so I won't bug it... 14:14 nengard will do gmacharlt 14:13 schuster Meaning the self check won't allow you to checkout a book on hold for someone else and there isn't an easy way to override it - the librarian has to get involved. 14:13 gmcharlt nengard: ping me when you're done with prefs patches for the day - I'll push 'em en masse 14:13 schuster WebBasedSelfCheck works great - we only have one problem is dealing with holds... But I havn't put any money back into that. I'll create a bug to track it. 14:13 magnus at least it's almost the weekend here... ;-) 14:12 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (2:50 PM CET on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 14:12 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 14:12 nengard I'll put it back in 14:12 nengard that's what i thought ;) 14:12 gmcharlt WebBasedSelfCheck is not 14:11 gmcharlt nengard: emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced and holdCancelLength are definitely broken 14:11 nengard i'm on a roll owen :) 14:11 munin nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is -0.9�C (9:00 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday... 14:11 nengard @wunder 19030 14:10 nengard I havne't had probs with WebBasedSelfCheck ... 14:10 nengard anyone know about these prefs? 14:10 nengard broken, omitted: emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced, holdCancelLength, WebBasedSelfCheck 14:10 nengard i'm working on sys pref bugs - and in the circuation preferences there is a comment that reads: 14:10 rhcl_awake rhcl mutters to self "I went to school in College Park, MD" 14:07 owen The patches folder in my email is filling up before my eyes 14:07 munin rhcl_awake: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is -0.7�C (8:04 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... 14:07 rhcl_awake @wunder 64505 14:07 munin rhcl_awake: Error: "wonder" is not a valid command. 14:07 rhcl_awake @wonder 64505 14:05 rhcl_awake but coffee is served now, so things are looking up 14:05 hilongo yep ... it's nice today aver here ... don't count me in for the bug-squashing marathon ;) 14:05 rhcl_awake sun and flowers and birds, and I've got cold and snow and a whinny cat 14:05 * owen thinks hilongo should hire us all to conduct on-site Koha seminars 14:05 * hilongo puts away his 'margarita' to type 14:04 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 1.2�C (9:01 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST Saturday... 14:04 jwagner @wunder 20740 14:04 owen Wow, that's the place to be hilongo! 14:03 jwagner hilongo, you is asking for trouble! 14:03 munin hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 25.0�C (10:00 AM ART on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 14:03 hilongo @wunder mendoza, Argentina 14:03 owen :D 14:03 hilongo oohh.. if tou could see how pretty is everything around here ... with all the sun and flowers and birds :P 14:03 jdavidb owen++ ;I'd be in for that. 14:02 nengard LOL 14:02 * gmcharlt calls up owen's boss ;) 14:02 nengard :) 14:02 gmcharlt owen++ 14:01 * owen will call a 48-hour bug-squashing marathon if so 14:01 * owen hopes he doesn't have to spend the weekend at work 14:00 owen Freezing rain here, schools are already closed. 14:00 rhcl_awake well, we got an inch last night 14:00 imp nice :) 13:59 jdavidb We're expecting 18-24" in the next 36 hours here. 13:59 chris_n the rainpocalypse is in progress in NC 13:59 chris_n lol jdavidb :-) 13:57 * jdavidb checks the clock... then looks out a window... no, the Snowpocalypse hasn't started yet. 13:57 imp it's nearly 15:00 ;) 13:56 jdavidb Early? 13:56 rhcl_awake what are all you people doing on here so early in the morning? coffee ain't even boiled yet 13:54 nengard okay - another preference question - it used to be that you set AnonSuggestions to a borrower ID and used that patron for suggestions - but now it says on/off or allow/don't allow - so which is it? 13:51 * jwagner sets the bloodhounds on gmcharlt's trail 13:46 matts you welcome 13:46 nengard thanks matts 13:46 matts nengard, yes, it does require the https:// part 13:46 * gmcharlt continues the tradition started yesterday, hides 13:45 chris_n as if he is not busy enough already 13:45 chris_n let's keep gmcharlt busy ;-) 13:45 nengard 3.2 is the goal!!! 13:45 nengard patching is the word of the month :) 13:45 chris_n patching is the word of the day 13:45 nengard trying to add the missing sys prefs in 13:45 nengard will do when i'm done patching :) 13:44 nengard awesome 13:44 chris_n nengard: patron card code should be all patched up now for you continued testing enjoyment 13:42 nengard morning chris_n 13:42 nengard hdl_laptop does casServerUrl require you enter the http:// or not? 13:40 chris_n g'morning 13:38 nengard schuster - I don't know - I can check when I'm done patching today - but many of the law librarians I know charge for research and I haven't worked with them for 3+ years now - so favors are getting less frequent :( 13:37 nengard gmcharlt - no idea :) it was a text box in the old interface so I just copied that 13:37 gmcharlt nengard: hdl_laptop: what are valid choices for OrderPdfFormat ? as is, that syspref is rather unfriendly 13:35 schuster The whole Global thing gets tricky... 13:35 schuster I was just reading Jo's post to the list about trademarks - do you have any Librarian Lawyer friends that deal with international laws? 13:34 nengard here 13:34 schuster nengard you here? 13:25 gmcharlt make the 20 patche you just emailed 13:25 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: ok, I'll ignore the 17 patches you just emailed and await a corrected submission 13:22 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: the patches I just sent donot seem to be the latest ones I thought I should send 13:14 nengard thanks! 13:14 nengard that's what it looks like 13:14 hdl_laptop I think OrderPdfFormat 13:13 nengard now - hdl_laptop - are we still using the pdformat preference? or was that replaced by OrderPdfFormat? 13:13 owen Hi all 13:13 nengard gmcharlt - i worded that poorly - it's in the db fine, it's just displaying on the screen funny - but I solved it by adding text to the pull down 13:12 gmcharlt nengard: try setting the syspref type to float 13:11 nengard hmm - I'm working on adding the acq preferences back into Koha - but for some reason when I type 360,000.00 the system changes it to 360000 -- ideas? 13:06 hdl_laptop patches resent 13:06 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: you will have them in 13:06 jwagner gremlins.... 13:05 gmcharlt jwagner: whatever it was, git.koha.org problem was transitory 13:01 gmcharlt well, at this points commit IDs for cherry-picking from 3.0.x might be better anyway, assuming that the patches in question are reasonably self-contained 13:00 hdl_laptop mmmm... maybe a smtp-server problem at that time 12:59 gmcharlt I see no auto-truncate patches in the patch list queue - could you point them out to me? 12:58 kf hdl_laptop: could be part of our problem - our installation is patched from 3.1.61 12:57 hdl_laptop It is fixed on 3.0.x 12:57 jwagner gmcharlt, I get a response eventually -- at least the page has started to display. But it's VERY slow. 12:56 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I think I sent some patches about queryautotruncate. 12:56 gmcharlt I've emailed cfouts about it 12:53 kf gmcharlt: git - yes 12:53 kf gmcharlt: icu indexing did not work with some search sys prefs on - so we had to turn them off. we will need to test icu next with that settings. 12:53 gmcharlt is anybody else having problems getting a response from http://git.koha.org ? 12:50 kf gmcharlt: with queryweightfields on, fuzzy off, truncate off it seems to work correctly here too 12:49 jwagner morning all. 12:48 kf I think this is the one that icu does not like 12:48 kf oh 12:48 gmcharlt kf: ok, found it, at least for my install - queryweightfields must be on 12:47 jdavidb mornin', jwagner. 12:46 kf have fuzzy to try and autotruncate to only if... and only truncated searches get results 12:46 kf gmcharlt: no difference here 12:45 kf guten morgen jwagner 12:45 gmcharlt querryfuzzy = on seems to be required 12:43 gmcharlt ah, wait, hold on ... 12:42 kf oh my :( 12:42 gmcharlt kf: no - instead, I'm seeing the behavior Ropuch seems, where the auto-truncate setting is ignored entirely 12:40 kf gmcharlt: can you reproduce it in your installation? 12:39 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 12:39 gmcharlt @later tell chris_n patch added 12:36 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.0�C (1:29 PM CET on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). 12:36 kf @wunder Konstanz 12:35 jdavidb Sounds about right...the calm before the storm. 12:34 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -0.4�C (7:23 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST Saturday... 12:34 jdavidb @wunder 20852 12:28 kf seems like "only if * is added* means that you have to add * to get results at all :( 12:27 kf good morning jdavidb 12:26 jdavidb g'mornin, #koha. 12:26 kf same with another word: query is off: stuttgart = 0 stuttgart* = 1109 12:25 kf but not israel 12:24 kf oh israel* works when its set to off 12:20 kf my example is israel 12:19 gmcharlt kf: re autotruncation, when queryautotruncate is off, it doesn't work for any search, even if the search term is a whole word? 12:04 kf ah, ok, wrong screenshot - this is the working configuration, change QueryAutoTruncate and it stops working 12:03 kf thats what Ropuch had - QueryFuzzy setting is different from our http://bagno.be/search.png 12:03 kf http://opac.bsz-bw.de/koha_temp/search_config.png 12:03 kf :) 12:03 kf just made a screenshot 12:01 gmcharlt hmm, if they're identical, then please send me the values of all of the search related sysprefs 11:57 kf and search works fine when switching it on - should the problem not be located elsewhere in this case? search.pm or perhaps a bad sys pref combination? 11:57 kf and they are the same 11:56 kf my colleague told me he compared the files yesterday to those in git 11:50 gmcharlt the whole /etc/koha/zebra directory 11:50 kf which files do you need? bib1.att, records.abs, ccl.properties? a special folder from zebra? 11:49 kf ok, thank you 11:48 kf I got a bit unsure if its just a problem with our installation 11:48 gmcharlt no need, I'll take care of it in a couple minutes 11:47 kf should I file a bug for this? 11:47 kf ah 11:47 gmcharlt Makefile.PL needs to be updated 11:47 kf can this be a problem caused by our standard install? 11:47 gmcharlt rotating collections will be moved out of 3.2, but I know what's wrong re patron card creator and will fix that 11:46 kf I cant access rotating collections and patron card creator - the files were not created 11:46 kf there is another problem 11:46 gmcharlt thans 11:46 kf but I can ask him for them of course 11:45 kf no additional indexes we added etc. 11:45 kf no icu 11:45 kf my colleague said its standard now 11:45 gmcharlt interesting - based on that, I thnk I definitely would need to see your Zebra config files to debug further 11:44 kf I asked Ropuch to test it in his installation, but is works with both settings for him, except that it always seems to truncate searches 11:43 kf switching it to OFF = only if * is added breaks search 11:43 kf we found out that switching QueryAutoTruncate ON = atomatically solves our search problem 11:42 kf patched 3.01.61 - HEAD standard install 11:42 kf we have some problems with our test installation 11:42 kf ah hi 11:41 gmcharlt hi kf 11:41 kf gmcharlt: around? 10:40 kf thank you :) 10:40 Ropuch kf: if you need any further testing, just ping me ;> 10:39 Ropuch And all the books with title/subject Brandt 10:38 Ropuch But after few more searches i think QueryAutoTruncate isn't working at all - when i search for querry 'Brand' with (only if * is added) I have Brand(t)meister in the results (QueryStemming is off) 10:37 kf will try to talk to gmcharlt about it later, he made some suggestions yesterday what we could do or check 10:36 kf thank you for testing Ropuch 10:36 kf hm ok 10:36 Ropuch I clean-installed head version and then imported my 3.00.05 dump before running web installer 10:35 Ropuch Hm actually my update was unusual 10:35 kf its just so strange 10:34 kf ok, we came from 3.1.61 10:34 Ropuch Updated 10:33 kf have you a new installation or an updated one? 10:33 kf somehow I hoped it would cause you problems too 10:33 kf hm 10:32 Ropuch kf: it's working 10:25 kf in our installation it breaks search :( 10:20 kf and make a keyword search? 10:19 kf "only if * is added" 10:15 kf can you try setting it off? 10:15 kf we had it off 10:14 kf sorry was afk 10:14 kf ok 10:09 Ropuch I'm pretty sure these are default settings 10:08 Ropuch kf: my other search settings are: http://bagno.be/search.png 10:05 Ropuch kf: and it works like it's supposed to be 09:59 Ropuch I have QueryAutoTruncate set to auto 09:59 Ropuch Sorry, phonecall 09:57 kf we have problems with search when its turned off - turned on works fine. I just want to know if this is a general problem before filing a bug 09:53 kf can yu tell me your current setting for QueryAutoTruncate? 09:52 kf no head is fine 09:50 Ropuch But I can set up alpha if you give me 5 minutes 09:50 Ropuch kf: i have head 09:35 kf ropuch: have you an alpha-installtion where you can test something for me? 09:26 Ropuch :) 09:26 Ropuch Yup 09:25 kf I think its a really nice idea - would think one specific framework for serials would be nice too :) 09:23 Ropuch kf: thanks! 09:16 kf you can add one call it acq and modify 952 fields to your needs in acquisition 09:03 Ropuch While adding an item to a basket i get "No ACQ framework, using default. You should create a framework with code ACQ, the items framework would be used" 09:01 nahuel and all :) 09:01 nahuel and chris 09:01 nahuel and kf 09:01 nahuel hi Ropuch 09:00 Ropuch Hi kf, chris, nahuel 09:00 nahuel hi Kiwiz 08:58 kf hi chris :) 08:57 chris hi europe 07:02 Ropuch Morning #koha 04:01 brendan good day to you 04:01 brendan hi Amit 03:56 braedon|work natlib will have to wait until monday 03:55 braedon|work well, goodnight #koha 03:47 braedon|work damn 03:46 braedon|work so no one around that could check nat lib for me? 03:41 braedon|work lol 03:40 SelfishMan oops. xon/xoff issue with screen 03:40 braedon|work ok SelfishMan 03:40 braedon|work ... 03:40 SelfishMan s 03:40 SelfishMan aaaaaafafl;jflfjfdffdddfd 03:40 braedon|work would someone be able to check searching nat library of NZ using the z39.50 search in Koha for me? It doesn't seem to work from Koha, but goes fine from my own perl script. 03:35 Amit morning #koha 03:35 Amit hi brendan 03:31 chris_n g'night #koha 03:31 chris_n ok, mini-bugsqush session over 03:06 * chris_n works through his buglist for a bit 01:37 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 01:37 chris_n @later tell gmcharlt: it does not look as if this patch made it in yet: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1401 01:36 chris_n gmcharlt about? 00:46 Jo yep 00:31 * chris_n prepares his raft 00:30 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 4.6�C (7:24 PM EST on February 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect from Friday afternoon through late Friday night... 00:30 chris_n @wunder 28334 00:30 rhcl Jo: catch you later, I'm leaving for the day 00:26 rhcl_away Hey Jo, you still here?