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chris |
http://bidscc.com/2010/01/31/k[…]on-from-winnebago |
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rhcl_home |
chris! |
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rhcl_home |
Hey, I was reading this and almost expected to see you name in it somewhere.... |
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http://www.smh.com.au/technolo[…]0100126-mvti.html |
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sed s/you/your |
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hehe naw, koha's big year at LCA was 2006 |
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hi brendan |
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morning #koha |
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hi amit |
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@wunder mumbai |
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greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 27.0�C (10:10 AM IST on February 01, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
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hdl_laptop: hello :) |
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@wunder 93117 |
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brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 9.3�C (9:19 PM PST on January 31, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling). |
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greenmang0 |
what happened to irc.freenode.net ????? i am not able to connect :( |
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chris |
i can |
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chris |
but they have been changing things around a lot |
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brendan |
yup I'm getting to it also |
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Amit |
heya chris |
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Ropuch |
Morning #koha |
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brendan |
morning Ropuch |
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Amit |
heya Ropuch |
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Amit |
heya nicomo |
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nicomo |
hi Amit |
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nicomo |
morning all |
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chris |
hi nicomo |
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brendan |
hi nicomo |
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chris |
youre up late brendan |
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brendan |
yup finishing off some things and making sure they're good |
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chris |
making_things_good++ |
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Drew |
can anyone help with a new install of koha 3? |
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chris |
what version? |
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Drew |
3.0 |
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chris |
3.0.what? |
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chris |
we are up to 3.0.5 |
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Drew |
3.00.02 |
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chris |
ahh quite an old version then |
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Drew |
i think that |
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chris |
yep, what about it? |
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Drew |
it installed fine on the server but all i get is a down for matience screen in my browser |
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s |
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chris |
have you run the web installer on the staff interface? |
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ss |
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Drew |
lost my connection |
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chris |
ok i asked |
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chris |
have you run the web installer on the staff interface? |
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Drew |
no how do i do that |
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Drew |
i don't have instructions for that i don't think |
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chris |
its on port 8080 by default |
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chris |
so take the url you use to get to the opac |
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chris |
and add :8080 |
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Drew |
i did that and i get nothing i have add that port to apache ports.conf to listen but it does not show me anything |
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chris |
hmm thats odd |
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Drew |
is my problem in apache? |
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chris |
sure seems like it |
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Drew |
i am back |
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Drew |
won't stay connected |
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chris |
hiya paul_p |
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kf |
hi #koh :) |
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chris |
hiya kf |
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magnus |
hm, anyone getting the latest HEAD to install? |
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chris |
yeah you need the patch hdl sent |
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chris |
to fix kohastructure.sql |
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kf |
hi chris |
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hi kf |
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kf |
I saw screenshots of our catalog in jo's and your presentation :) |
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kf |
hi Amit |
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chris |
heh |
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kf |
magnus: just delete the first two lines - it works fine after that :) |
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magnus |
kf: yeah, that did the trick |
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magnus |
i tried it before the weekend, but just commented out those two lines, which gave me some trouble later on, of course... |
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pastebot |
"magnus" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Problem during "make test" on latest HEAD" (76 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/111 |
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magnus |
i'm no good at test, is anyone able to see what goes wrong here? |
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chris |
you can ignore that |
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magnus |
chris: good |
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brendan |
night #koha |
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kf |
night brendan :) |
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kf |
jwagner: around? |
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kf |
hm, maybe too early |
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CGI317 |
hi all |
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CGI317 |
i'm trying to determine the storage requirement for Koha |
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CGI317 |
can anyone tell me how much space is required per 10K books? |
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hdl_laptop |
depends on your biblios ;) |
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CGI317 |
ok...the worst case scenario? |
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CGI317 |
is 1KB per resource reasonable? |
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kf |
I think the zebra indexes can get pretty big |
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CGI317 |
can i store the index on different drive and backup only the db? |
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kf |
ok, we have 16 gb for about 50000 records (complete installation) |
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kf |
not sure if this helps |
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kf |
I think you can have different servers for zebra, koha and mysql, but someone else might know better |
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CGI317 |
thanks kf. that works out to be about 335K per record |
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kf |
mom phone |
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kf |
16 gb including ubuntu, koha etc. |
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Ropuch |
Hi kf! |
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kf |
hi Ropuch |
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amadan |
Hi Guys, I'm in a bit of a fix, I'm trying to install Date::Manip, a perl module and its asking for perl 5.10 which koha doesn't support. I have 5.8.8. Could anyone help? |
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Ropuch |
amadan: I have Koha 3.00.05 and 3.2 running on perl 5.10 |
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kf |
I think there was something on the mailinglist about perl compatibilty recently |
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amadan |
really so i can run perl 5.10 on koha? |
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amadan |
thats good news thanks Ropuch |
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kf |
found it: http://spedr.com/59s58 |
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kf |
should be no problem: 'this warning should be removed. Koha works perfectly well with 5.10' |
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amadan |
kf, u just made my day |
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amadan |
thanks a zillion |
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tomascohen |
hi, back from holidays |
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kf |
hi nengard |
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nengard |
howdy |
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hdl_laptop |
hi |
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kf |
hi jwagner - can you give me your email address? I have a mail with exmample file for import of extended patron attributes ready for you :) |
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asks if it's already morning. |
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jwagner |
kf, it's jwagner ptfs.com -- thanks much! |
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kf |
jwagner: sent |
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jwagner |
Thanks kf. As soon as I wake up :-( I'll see if I can figure out my problem.... |
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kf |
I hope its helpful |
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jwagner |
kf, nothing has arrived yet -- doublecheck the address? |
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kf |
mom |
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kf |
jwagnerptfs.com |
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kf |
there is an attached .csv-file - could this be a problem? |
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jwagner |
Hmm. Shouldn't take that long to get through, I wouldn't think. Let's see if shows up. The attachment shouldn't be a problem. Might be caught up in the network spam filter somewhere.... |
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kf |
I can try resending it with a zip-attachement? |
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jwagner |
Yes, try that. |
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kf |
oh |
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kf |
it came back |
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kf |
The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please   try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or |
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* jwagner |
thinks if the universe has decided I don't exist, that means I can go back to bed, right? |
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kf |
ok, lets try again |
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kf |
jwagnerptfs.com right? |
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chris_n |
lol jwagner :) |
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jwagner |
Yes, that should be me. |
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chris_n |
welcome to Monday... muhahahaha |
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jwagner |
Grrrrrrrrrrrr |
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jwagner |
I don't do mornings, and I don't do Mondays.... |
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kf |
ok, sent again |
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kf |
with .zip |
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kf |
it came back again - what am I doing wrong? |
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kf |
:( |
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jwagner |
Damfino |
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jwagner |
Try sending me an email without the attachment, just for giggles. |
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kf |
ok |
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kf |
no, you dont exist |
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jwagner |
OK, good night everybody, then.... |
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kf |
do you have an alternate email address? |
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jwagner |
kf, it came in OK to my alternate address, and I was able to forward it OK to my work address. I dunno.... |
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kf |
me too |
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kf |
but glad you got it :) |
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jwagner |
Maybe the gremlins are at work this morning. |
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* owen |
is having a sense of deja vu about this email thing |
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jwagner |
AHA!!!! |
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* jwagner |
does happy dance |
| 13:38 |
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jwagner |
kf, your example was similar to the ones schuster and I were trying Friday, except for one thing -- you didn't have your entry wrapped in double quotes. |
| 13:38 |
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jwagner |
The Tools, patron import page specifically says This means that if an input record has more than one attribute, the 'patron_attributes' field must be wrapped in double quotation marks. |
| 13:39 |
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jwagner |
However, when I tried my test file without them, they imported just fine. |
| 13:40 |
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jwagner |
I want to do some more experimenting with quote strings, since this particular patron set would normally have a comma in the attribute fields, but at least it works this way. THANK YOU!!! |
| 13:42 |
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kf |
you are welcome :) |
| 13:43 |
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jwagner |
...and it will work with a comma -- formatting the attribute field like this imports OK: "STARTDATE:January 1, 2010","TRACK:Day" |
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kf |
:) |
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jwagner |
@later tell schuster check logs for Monday morning IRC on patron attribute problem -- kf's example got it fixed. |
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munin |
jwagner: The operation succeeded. |
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ebegin |
morning all! |
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schuster |
jwagner - so you got your patrons to load correctly? |
| 14:06 |
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jwagner |
Yep. Either the way kf had it formatted (no quote marks) or wrapping each attribute code/field in its own quote set. |
| 14:06 |
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jwagner |
The problem was trying to wrap the entire field (both attributes) in one set of quote marks. |
| 14:06 |
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jwagner |
Need to do something about the wording on the Tools, Patron Import page.... |
| 14:07 |
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schuster |
Still strange that mine load ok... did you try using the members files I sent? |
| 14:07 |
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jwagner |
No, I hadn't gotten around to looking at the code differences yet. |
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jwagner |
schuster, I'm working at a later level of code than you, but not at current head. It would be interesting to see what happens with loading attributes at current head. Anyone have a system at that level with patron attributes defined? |
| 14:15 |
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schuster |
I'm working toward that in testing hopefully this month. |
| 14:16 |
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schuster |
First I need to scale my DB down so it will fit on my test machine! |
| 14:17 |
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jwagner |
I may try to set up a test on our current head system if I get a chance. Have to define the attributes there first. |
| 14:35 |
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kf |
I can test the file on my laptop at home, its current head. |
| 14:35 |
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jwagner |
I went ahead & tried the patron attribute on a 3.01.00.100 system -- same results as on my level of code (061). Looks like something changed between your level, schuster, and later. |
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kf |
ah ok |
| 14:36 |
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jwagner |
This system isn't configured yet for sending patches; when it is, I'll do a patch to reword the screen text on the import page (unless someone beats me to it). |
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magnus |
here's a Swedish evaluation of Koha: http://bit.ly/ch8XIO (PDF, 31 pages, in swedish) - the title says it all: "Good enough? It's a really good system!" ;-) |
| 14:48 |
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schuster |
So possibly in the future I will need to do "xxx" around each of the extended attributes to get them to load correctly? just checking... |
| 14:50 |
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jwagner |
Only if they have commas in them. I did a load with spaces but no commas, like STARTDATE:January 1 2010,TRACK:Day and it went in OK. I used the "STARTDATE:January 1, 2010","TRACK:Day" variant because I had a comma in the first attribute. |
| 14:51 |
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jwagner |
Mind you, I didn't actually try the string with a comma and no quotes -- I assumed it would fail because of the comma :-) |
| 14:52 |
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schuster |
OK thanks for the clarification - so in the future my current file that I receive from student records should load fine. whew. |
| 14:53 |
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jwagner |
Fingers crossed.... |
| 14:55 |
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schuster |
Do you have a database with URL's? we've modified the URL checker utility and I would like someone else to test it before we do anything else. I REALLY like it... I'll update the wiki with information in a little while. It checked about 40 URL's in under a minute providing me the 7 URLS that were bad on a webpage with a link to the bib. |
| 14:56 |
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schuster |
Have to go to a meeting now, and then another at 11:30 so it may be later this afternoon before I can get it out and the wiki updated. |
| 14:56 |
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jwagner |
schuster, was that for me, or anyone in general? |
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schuster |
Anyone in general... It's almost done, but I want to see if it works for others too. Then I need to check it against the current head before committing it. |
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jwagner |
I don't think I have a system set up that I could test it on, but I'll check. Someone else might be a better candidate. |
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nengard |
hmm - i can't seem to get into my local install of koha |
| 15:11 |
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nengard |
it says 'We are upgrading from Koha 3.01.00.107 to 3.01.00.110,' i go through the upgrade - but it doesn't complete and so i can't get past it ... any tips? |
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owen |
nengard: You've probably got a bad updatedatabase.pl |
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owen |
An error was committed recently |
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nengard |
how do i get a good one ;) |
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owen |
You just have to delete the first two lines |
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nengard |
owen - did that - but i'm still stuck in a loop and have update errors ... bleh - will pastebin them |
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nengard |
http://koha.pastebin.com/m46f9bca2 |
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owen |
Just to confirm, did you copy of updatedatabase.pl look like this: |
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owen |
http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]f29060418;hb=HEAD |
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nengard |
ooo - got it |
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nengard |
now to document rotating collections ... if i can figure it out :) |
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nengard |
or not - taht's right - there are no templates yet ... |
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nengard |
hmmm |
| 15:17 |
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nengard |
what else is new ;) hehe |
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kf |
enrollment date in category type |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
I really like that one |
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nengard |
enrollment date? for patrons? |
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kf |
nengard: hdl asked about my os and a public key for git--- any tips? what are u using? |
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kf |
yes, instead of months |
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nengard |
kf - i'll find the instructions he sent me |
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kf |
so you can set it to end of trimester |
| 15:18 |
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nengard |
and email them to you |
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kf |
he offered instructions too, but Im not sure what will work better for me windows or linux in vb - so I wanted to ask how you are working |
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kf |
and thank you :) |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: re rotating collections, I'm tempted to push that out to 3.4 anyway - thoughts? |
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nengard |
gmcharlt i guess it depends how hard it will be to test - if it's not too difficult I'd say keep it in - I'll gladly test it out |
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owen |
kf, I hadn't noticed that. You can assign a patron category an enrollment period or set a date until which they stay enrolled. |
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nengard |
owen - me either - but i'm documenting it now |
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kf |
I think its from biblibres branch |
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kf |
and i really like it, my librarian asked for this some time ago |
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kf |
what I missed in my installation: alpha index search |
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kf |
and some sysprefs |
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kf |
someone using finesCalendar = ignoreCalendar? |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: I was quite interested in rotating collections, but since this new feature was not in roadmap, prudence would prompt us into leaving that for 3.4;) |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, I'm particularly nervous about anything that adds a new event to checkin |
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hdl_laptop |
hehe... |
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nengard |
so - are we going to roll back that patch? |
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nengard |
Hey - where did that plus sign next to the patron search box come from???? :) hehe |
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hdl_laptop |
nengard: I needed a neat way to propose more searches. |
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owen |
nengard: ? |
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owen |
Oh, I see |
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nengard |
cool - off to fix that part of the documentation :) hehe |
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chris_n |
so what syspref have I missed if attempting to place a hold on an item in opac returns a poorly formatted error to the effect: 'Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold.' ? |
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owen |
chris_n: In HEAD? I get the same thing |
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chris_n |
yup |
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chris_n |
so this is a bug? |
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owen |
Or a combination of bugs |
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chris_n |
ouch :-P |
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thinks the error should be returned in the cart template rather than dumping the user back to opac-main.pl |
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chris_n |
opac-reserve.pl rather |
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owen |
chris_n: I haven't seen that |
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owen |
I've just gotten the error when placing holds from opac-reserve.pl |
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owen |
Are you getting this when reserving from the cart? |
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chris_n |
yes... opac-basket.pl |
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chris_n |
and the cart window is small, so going to reserves really looks tacky without a window resize |
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schuster |
nengard - wasn't there something with inventory as well? |
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owen |
chris_n: I don't get an error, I just get a page where none of the items can be selected. |
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is running through the opac pushing misc buttons to see what they do :-) |
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schuster |
nengard - also batch edit, delete of items? |
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owen |
we need a flag like "popup=1" to pass to opac-reserve.pl |
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owen |
...to hide the search bar |
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chris_n |
or logic to allow opac-basket.pl to loop if the item is not available for reserve |
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chris_n |
ie return the user to the basket with an message displayed there |
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nengard |
schuster - on a call - havne't been reading ... what are we talking about? |
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nengard |
something how? a bug? |
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owen |
chris_n: But you still have to land on opac-reserve.pl within the pop-up to complete a successful hold |
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chris_n |
owen: I'll look at reserves a bit to see if I can scare out the problem |
| 16:07 |
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owen |
Bug 3864 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client |
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chris_n |
owen: so even if there is a problem, I don't want to go back to the basket, correct? |
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nahuel |
? |
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chris_n |
so maybe the opac issue is related |
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chris_n |
has this patch made it to HEAD? |
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owen |
chris_n: I assumed that it had, but I'm not positive. |
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chris_n |
nengard: do you know if this bug is fixed? |
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nengard |
chris_n bug 3864? I'll check when off the phone |
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chris_n |
tnx |
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nengard |
okay - call done - off to test holds |
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nengard |
chris_n looks like that owrks |
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nengard |
now - schuster - what were you asking me?? |
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chris_n |
nengard: tnx |
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chris_n |
owen: I'll look around a bit and open a bug |
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kf |
@Konstanz |
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munin |
kf: Error: "Konstanz" is not a valid command. |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin |
kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0�C (5:00 PM CET on February 01, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
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kf |
snow... yes. time to go home and warm up - bye :) |
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owen |
chris_n: I just deleted everything from the issuingrules table and tried again and it worked fine |
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owen |
Sorry, deleted everything, added back a single default rule, and then tried again. |
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* owen |
will try now from the cart |
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owen |
chris_n: No errors for me when placing multiple holds from the OPAC cart |
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chris_n |
great... I'll check the rules |
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chris_n |
owen: my issuingrules table is empty |
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chris_n |
is that the case with your's? |
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chris_n |
do I need to define at least one rule for holds to work? |
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owen |
chris_n: I think so |
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owen |
That's what I did, add one default rule |
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schuster |
nengard - you were asking for things to document - I was being kind giving suggestions of what I have heard have been added/changed. |
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nengard |
ahhhhh - okay |
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nengard |
got it |
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chris_n |
wow, the issuing rules interface is a bit confusing :-P |
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chris_n |
opps... issuingrules is missing a column |
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nengard |
Woo Hoo - I don't have to be all quiet anymore - awesome news from NPL, owen, and bywater: http://koha.org/news/americas-[…]bywater-solutions |
| 16:38 |
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owen |
Thanks nengard, Nate and brendan! |
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Nate |
Thank you Owen! |
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gmcharlt |
congrats! |
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brendan |
owen++ |
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schuster |
++ - if this was facebook it would say likes this...:) |
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chris_n |
great news! congrats! |
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nengard |
schuster - it will be on facebook shortly :) |
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nengard |
it goes there automatically from our blog every 30 min :) |
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chris_n |
owen: it turns out that there is a syspref "maxreserves' which defaults to null |
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chris_n |
which it should probably not |
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chris_n |
I setup a default rule, but apparently opac-reserve.pl does not check that |
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chris_n |
it looks at the syspref instead |
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owen |
chris_n: Ah, remembering now... |
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owen |
Bug 3785 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3785 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, New Install, no maxreserves setting, OPAC holds fail |
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owen |
Bug 4045 |
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chris_n |
which seems contradictory |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, ASSIGNED, No check for maximum number of allowed holds. |
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* chris_n |
thinks the syspref needs to go and the rule become king |
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chris_n |
unless the syspref is intended to be the absolute default |
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owen |
I think the syspref was supposed to go away |
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* chris_n |
adds his $0.02 to the bug |
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owen |
Hi joetho |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 9.9�C (8:51 AM PST on February 01, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising). |
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jwagner |
Catching up here -- congrats to owen & Bywater! |
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schuster |
@wunder 75074 |
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munin |
schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 7.7�C (10:44 AM CST on February 01, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Steady). |
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nengard |
thanks jwagner |
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chris_n |
ok, so no code obeys the reserve setting in issue rules |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: do you mind if I take bug 4045 or is there work in progress on it? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, ASSIGNED, No check for maximum number of allowed holds. |
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hdl_laptop |
chris_n: you can take that. |
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nengard |
so - the one part of the manual I have held off on is the OPAC - do we see many more 3.2 changes to the OPAC down the pike? or should I get cracking on that section? |
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owen |
chris_n++ # for taking on the holds bug |
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chris_n |
owen: interestingly enough, I had a few local users trying out the opac here as a sort of 'beta' before going live and within 5 minutes one of them was asking why they could not place a hold on an item... |
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chris |
NPL++ |
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Ropuch |
Good evening |
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hdl_laptop |
hi chris |
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* nengard |
taking some lunch time |
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* owen |
too |
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chris_n |
howdy chris |
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chris |
heya |
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chris_n |
chasing more opac bugs today |
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* chris |
will brb |
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joetho |
hi owen |
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jwagner |
chris_n, around? |
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chris_n |
here |
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jwagner |
Getting another error with the label creator when trying to save changes to the label template: |
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jwagner |
Can't bless non-reference value at kohaclone/C4/Labels/Profile.pm line 89. |
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jwagner |
Have you seen that one? Is it patched somewhere? |
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chris_n |
jwagner: what version are you on? |
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jwagner |
3.01.00.061 from roughly October, I think |
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jwagner |
I believe you did several label patches, not sure if/how many we're missing. |
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chris_n |
om |
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chris_n |
jwagner: I'm really not sure |
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jwagner |
Ok, thanks. |
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chris_n |
jwagner: the labels code has been reworked again and many bugs fixed in the latest patron card submissions as well |
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chris |
ok bus time |
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chris_n |
jwagner: maybe this one: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]13045da1b57064b37 |
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chris_n |
and this is the last labels related patch prior to the patron card series of patches: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]3e26cb7c1d61d400a |
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jwagner |
Thanks, chris_n -- we'll take a look at them. |
| 19:10 |
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chris_n |
jwagner: I'd look especially at the patch resolving bug 3706 as that addresses an issue which may cause the error you are seeing |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3706 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswongerfoundations.edu, ASSIGNED, Label templates/layouts do not save properly |
| 19:11 |
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chris_n |
there was also another issue causing a similar error which was fixed in the patron card work (though the bug was in labels code) iirc |
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jwagner |
Thanks -- I have jdavidb hard at work on it :-) |
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* jwagner |
loves being able to pass on problems to other people :-) |
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* chris_n |
cheers jdavidb on |
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* jdavidb |
grumbles a li'l, but discovers that the save-over-an-existing profile has changed a good bit between where we are and HEAD |
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chris_n |
interesting: jdavidb... it appears there was a second patch I submitted which may not have made it into HEAD |
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chris_n |
jdavidb: quite a bit changed in labels there |
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jdavidb |
So I see. |
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chris_n |
which may explain why I ran into the issue again when doing the patron card work :-P |
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chris_n |
http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]tober/004732.html |
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chris_n |
the same fix was applied in this commit: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]0af380098#patch14 |
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chris_n |
I'd bet that is your problem jdavidb |
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jdavidb |
The label-iedit-template part is where it was crapping out. It didn't like the line starting with "my $old_profile..." |
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chris_n |
and as if that was not enough, the final fix is here: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]3bb9b72341#patch4 |
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chris_n |
the problem airc was in not accounting for all possible conditions when an old profile was involved |
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chris_n |
I think if you will duplicate the changes to label-edit-template.pl represented by the commit just mentioned, you will find the problem is resolved |
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nengard |
regarding commit c46466ad150f6107858ecf6c1b031219d60eeab9 -- where is issuing_rules.pl? |
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nengard |
he meant smart-rules didn't he :) |
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nengard |
has anyone been able to successfully clone issuing rules from one library to another? |
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wajasu |
ok, I am migrating a legacy dos based library database which has 16000 volumes. Is there a Z39 server that will allow me to connect and do queries programatically to get MARC21 records with disconnecting me since the batch processing of 16000 records may be taxing? |
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schuster |
dealing with import_batches, import_biblios, import_items, import_record_matches, import_records - we have been on the system a year is there a reason we can't truncate those? |
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chris |
back at work |
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schuster |
feeling better? |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: should be safe to truncate them |
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chris_n |
chris: got a minute for a question about C4::Reserves? |
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chris |
sure |
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chris |
schuster: mostly, just got a sick kid now |
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chris_n |
in IsAvailableForItemLevelRequest |
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chris |
yup |
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chris_n |
the return logic appears to be a bit screwy |
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chris |
wouldn't suprise me |
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chris_n |
I think the basic intent was to return either 0 or 1 |
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chris |
lemme read it quickly |
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chris_n |
a logical 'and' causes some cases where basically undef is returned |
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chris_n |
near line 1676 |
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chris_n |
I think return ($available_per_item and $item->{onloan}); should read return ($available_per_item, $item->{onloan}); |
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chris_n |
and let the caller decide what to do |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: I disagree - would prefer that the caller *not* have to decide what to do |
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chris |
yeah if we get undef we should make it |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: then we need to determine what the intent of the 'and' was and correct it |
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chris |
return ($available_per_item and $item->{onloan}) || 0; |
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chris |
once we understand what the and is supposed to be doing |
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gmcharlt |
both undef and 0 evaluate to false, of course, but certainly tightening up the return doesn't hurt |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: yeah, it makes for less confusing debugs and error handling :-) |
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chris |
ah yeah i see |
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chris |
so there is a big if that works out available_per_item |
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gmcharlt |
regarding intent |
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chris |
checks if its lost, or damaged, or withdrawn etc |
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chris |
so if its not any of those, and it IS on loan |
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chris |
then we can request it |
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chris_n |
the real kicker is when $available_per_item == 1 and the item is *not* on loan |
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chris_n |
which evals false |
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chris_n |
and so we return undef when we should return 1 |
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chris |
umm no |
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chris |
it says and |
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chris |
so it has to be onloan |
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gmcharlt |
which is the intent - look at the test right above on AllowOnShelfHolds |
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chris |
yeah |
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chris |
so if we dont allow ppl to place holds on stuff on the shelf |
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chris |
then it must be onloan |
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chris_n |
in this case $item->{onloan} is undef and $avaiable_per_item is 1 |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., default is: we allow the hold request if the item is available and it's on loan - if it's not only, patron is supposed to go to the library |
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chris |
yep, which should evaluate to false |
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chris_n |
but the item is *not* on loan in this case |
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chris |
yes |
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chris |
false |
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* chris_n |
scratches his head |
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chris |
hence the return is false to |
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gmcharlt |
which means that unless AllowOnShelfHolds is turned on, the hold request is verboten :) |
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chris_n |
ahh |
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chris |
so who wants to earn $125k US a year, with matched savings 401k and good holidays? |
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* chris_n |
thinks handing around undefs should be verboten :) |
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* jdavidb |
raises his hand, and looks at Chris. "What's the catch?" |
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chris |
need security clearance |
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sekjal |
and have to live in the Washington DC/Baltimore area |
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chris |
jdavidb does that bit already |
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jdavidb |
hmpf. I could probably get it, but don't have one now. And I live near DC already. |
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chris |
https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bi[…]IB&T=0&F=&S=&P=61 |
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chris |
next performance review, some leverage for a pay rise :-) |
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jdavidb |
Now, what's the *real* catch? |
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chris |
you are working for the man? |
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chris |
i dunno |
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sekjal |
it's a good gig, as far as I can tell |
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chris |
looks like a pretty sweet job to me |
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sekjal |
I looked into it |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt, chris: it seems that we might want to communicate to the patron that holds on on-shelf items are not allowed if that is the case |
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chris_n |
rather than simply that there are no items available for reserve (which is true, but a bit misleading) |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: indeed, but is that a job for Koha or for the library to explain its policies? |
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chris_n |
imho, error messages ought to be as exact as possible |
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chris |
how bout |
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jdavidb |
Ah. Gotta be an MLS or a masters in CompSci. Got dern near everything else, tho. But I'm pretty happy with my current commute. |
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jdavidb |
That commute, from my place, would be *painful* |
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chris |
"the book is on the shelf you lazy bastard" |
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chris_n |
heh |
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gmcharlt |
well, there are a half-dozen reasons why an item might not pass IsAvailableForItemLevelRequest |
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chris_n |
so what is the use of putting an item in your basket if it is on-shelf? (me plays the devil's advocate) ;-) |
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chris |
you then print off the basket |
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chris |
and walk around to find the items |
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chris |
at my uni, we had little bits of paper and pencils and you wrote callnumbers on them, then wandered round trying to find the thing |
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* chris_n |
too |
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chris |
nicer if you can print off the basket ... or sms it to your phone ;-) |
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chris_n |
ok, back to mucking through code :) |
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chris |
so you search from your home/dorm ... build your basket, then go in to the library to get the stuff |
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sekjal |
or (a little ways off from now) professors/instructors could put items in their basket, then send a request for those items to be put on hold for their class |
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schuster |
yeah sure but the local call number for the law library is what you want but all 6 libraries are listed and you can't sort it by a specific branch. |
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chris_n |
it appears of the library allows on shelf holds that can be done atm |
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chris |
yep |
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chris |
lots of libraries do, i think most nz ones do |
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chris |
(allow on shelf holds) |
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* nod |
has 53 k's for 2010 |
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chris_n |
it seems reasonable and may prevent race conditions in your library for popular items :-) |
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nod |
oops ww |
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chris |
nod: we should get a koha cycle team, is it open to international participants? |
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chris |
http://www.librarything.com/bl[…]egacy-library.php |
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nod |
chris: don't see why not :) |
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chris_n |
chris: another question regarding holds: is the syspref maxreserves intended to be an absolute limit to the number of items one patron can reserve/hold at a time? |
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chris_n |
or does it need to be replaced by the "Holds Allowed" value in the issuingrules table? (which does not appear to be implemented atm) |
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chris_n |
actually, the last is not true, it is used in at least one place |
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hdl_laptop |
chris_n |
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hdl_laptop |
chris chris_n we are working on smart-rules reprocess and bug fixing and improvements on Univ_Lyon3 |
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hdl_laptop |
it may interest also gmcharlt although it adds some more features for blocked users and some new fields in issuingrules table too. |
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hdl_laptop |
we are in debugging phase. |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: the only fix I'll submit then is one to fix bad behavior in opac when AllowOnShelfHolds is enabled, but maxreserves is NULL. |
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braedon_ |
does anyone know what could cause OPAC to not display subjects for the majority of books? |
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hdl_laptop |
depends on your frameworks i think |
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braedon_ |
the subjects are displayed in the staff client |
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braedon_ |
but when you look up the same book in OPAC, no subjects |
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braedon_ |
unless you enable XSLT |
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braedon_ |
How are the different frameworks actually used? |
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hdl_laptop |
are you looking at ISBD or normal view or MARCview ? |
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braedon_ |
normal |
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braedon_ |
they show up under 650 in MARCview obviously |
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braedon_ |
but not in the normal view |
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braedon_ |
a few books work |
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braedon_ |
but a lot don't |
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chris_n |
brendan_: I have subjects for most of our books not using XSLT fwiw |
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hdl_laptop |
braedon_: MARC21 ? UNIMARC? |
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braedon_ |
MARC21 |
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hdl_laptop |
problem could be in C4/Biblio.pm GetMarcSubjects |
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hdl_laptop |
But it looks ok |
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braedon_ |
hmm |
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braedon_ |
rather annoying, but it's not like the subject links are working anyway :P |
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chris_n |
brendan_: I have submitted a patch to correct that |
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braedon_ |
yeah i know. Just kidding |
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joetho |
I have a question about Koha sending email notices automatically. |
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joetho |
I know the email field works, but how about the emailpro and B_email fields? |
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braedon_ |
chris_n hdl_laptop: upgraded our testing install to the git head, and the subjects now show |
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chris_n |
braedon_: do the links work ;-) |
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* chris_n |
realizes he typed braedon_'s nick wrong earlier |
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braedon_ |
nope :) i take it your patch isn't applied yet? |
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braedon_ |
yeah, i was wondering how you ended up with 'brendan_'. doesn't your client have tab completion of names? |
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hdl_laptop |
braedon_ most irc clients have ;) |
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wizzyrea |
hmm, upgrading from 107 to 110 and I get stuck in a loop that won't let me log in |
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wizzyrea |
http://screencast.com/t/ZTYzYTRlMGM this |
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wizzyrea |
and then this: http://screencast.com/t/YjIzOTg0N2M |
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wizzyrea |
and then http://screencast.com/t/ZTYzYTRlMGM again |
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braedon_ |
hdl_laptop: yeah, i know. there is no 'brendan_' logged in, hence it was not tab-completed |
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hdl_laptop |
braedon_: I thought there was since I saw brendan passing by |
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braedon_ |
has anyone picked up the search rewrite yet? or is everyone still running scared? :P |
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* wizzyrea |
gets her popcorn and prepares to watch the fur fly. |
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braedon_ |
:) |
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hdl_laptop |
braedon_: definetely something which has to be done cautiously and with much discussion. |
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roasts pecans with cinnamon and raw sugar |
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rhcl |
/nick rhcl_away |
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