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| 00:03 |
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chris |
gah git.koha.org still down :( |
| 00:06 |
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| 00:09 |
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wajasu |
Got koha installed. Transformed legacy db to MARC21 format. When importing is there a way to get an item record (or holding?) to show up without manually adding an item? |
| 00:09 |
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chris |
if they are in the 952 tag in the marc |
| 00:09 |
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chris |
they will show up |
| 00:10 |
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chris |
if you are using bulkmarcimport.pl |
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chris |
heya nod |
| 00:12 |
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wajasu |
OK I'll look in there. Thanks. I've been using the staging import. |
| 00:19 |
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wajasu |
Since I am doing a initial library import, should I prefix my ISBNs with 978? Or write/wait for a tool in koha that would do that (calculating the check digit etc)? I'm using marcedit to get better biblio data. |
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chris |
i think there is a tool to do that already |
| 00:21 |
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wajasu |
i'll look for it. thanks again. |
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| 00:24 |
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* chris_n2 |
adds a "quote of the day" feature to his opac and wonders if there might be some others interested in it |
| 00:25 |
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chris |
yeah, i could see people liking that |
| 00:37 |
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nod |
hi |
| 00:42 |
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chilts |
hello nod :) |
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chris |
this makes me happy http://www.mykansaslibrary.org/widgets/ |
| 01:10 |
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chris |
this makes me sad http://scls.typepad.com/link2k[…]we-have-data.html |
| 01:10 |
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chris |
so it evens out |
| 01:15 |
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| 01:18 |
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chris_n2 |
so how do I get a properly formatted sql timestamp out of C4::Dates? |
| 01:18 |
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chris_n2 |
$date->output('sql') gives me something like: 20100125 201533 |
| 01:19 |
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chris_n2 |
rather than 2010-01-25 19:54:06 |
| 01:22 |
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chris |
iso |
| 01:22 |
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chris |
try $date->output('iso') |
| 01:23 |
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chris_n2 |
better, but can I get the time as well? |
| 01:25 |
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chris |
lemme check |
| 01:25 |
|
* chris |
grumbles still no git.koha.org |
| 01:26 |
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chris_n2 |
so much for the cloud ;-) |
| 01:26 |
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chris |
nope |
| 01:26 |
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chris_n2 |
should we be able to produce a date with time? |
| 01:26 |
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chris |
ah i lie |
| 01:26 |
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chris_n2 |
normally I'd say that's bad |
| 01:26 |
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chris_n2 |
but given the circumstance |
| 01:27 |
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chris |
yeah, only with the sql format |
| 01:27 |
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chris_n2 |
so why when I do an 'update foo set timestamp = $date->('sql')' does the timestamp end up being 00-00-00 00:00:00? |
| 01:28 |
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chris |
is timestamp a column of type timestamp? |
| 01:29 |
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chris_n2 |
yup |
| 01:29 |
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chris |
you'll be fighting mysql then |
| 01:30 |
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chris |
mysql updates that column automagically |
| 01:30 |
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chris_n2 |
I can do this: |
| 01:30 |
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chris_n2 |
update foo set timestamp = '2010-01-25 19:54:06' |
| 01:30 |
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chris_n2 |
and all is well in the world |
| 01:31 |
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chris_n2 |
but is there another type that would be better suited to manually tracking the date of change |
| 01:32 |
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chris |
yes definitely |
| 01:32 |
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chris |
datetime |
| 01:32 |
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chris |
timestamp is some magical mysql thing, it changes everytime that row is changed |
| 01:32 |
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chris |
its great for a last modified type idea |
| 01:33 |
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chris_n2 |
I'll switch to datetime and see if that does what I want |
| 01:33 |
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chris_n2 |
tnx |
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| 01:55 |
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chris_n2 |
interesting, Dates.pm does not appear to produce a correct sql date time format |
| 01:55 |
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chris_n2 |
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]/en/datetime.html |
| 01:59 |
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chris |
maybe it follows the standard, not mysql? |
| 02:00 |
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chris |
actually extending the iso format to have iso_time |
| 02:01 |
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chris |
would be best, because iso 8601 is the actual standard |
| 02:02 |
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chris_n2 |
I'm sure in the long haul meeting the standard is what we want |
| 02:03 |
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chris_n2 |
I just cannot imagine how this is working atm... unless we don't have any datetime fields |
| 02:03 |
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chris_n2 |
surely we must be formatting dates in sql format somewhere, though |
| 02:04 |
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chris |
probably just storing it with iso .. there isnt much that actually cares about the time |
| 02:09 |
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chris_n2 |
actually ANSI SQL is the same as MYSQL's recommended format |
| 02:09 |
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chris_n2 |
YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS |
| 02:10 |
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chris_n2 |
for some reason, Dates.pm adds additional space between the date and time |
| 02:10 |
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chris_n2 |
and omits the delimiters |
| 02:14 |
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chris |
yeah, you'd have to ask atz why |
| 02:50 |
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nod |
chris: i signed up to volunteer on the wiki btw |
| 02:51 |
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chris |
yay !! |
| 02:51 |
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chris |
thanks |
| 02:51 |
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nod |
im happy to be told, we need this done etc. |
| 02:51 |
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chris |
excellent |
| 02:51 |
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nod |
and i have a car |
| 02:51 |
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nod |
even tho i dislike them :) |
| 02:52 |
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chris |
:) that may come in handy |
| 02:52 |
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chilts |
nod: yeah, I dislike your car too, even though it came in handy on Saturday :) |
| 02:53 |
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nod |
heh |
| 02:53 |
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nod |
chilts: i can also obviousl do web stuff if required |
| 02:54 |
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chilts |
nod: it's Python ... but all contributions gratefully received |
| 02:54 |
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chris_n2 |
g'night #koha |
| 02:54 |
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chris |
cya chris_n2 |
| 04:46 |
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masonj |
gak, the route from my box on telstra-wellington to ftp.nz.debian.org is via L.A |
| 05:05 |
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wajasu |
OK to get items created I need 925 related fields. What is the minimum? 925$a branchcode, 925$p barcode, 925$y koha item type? I don't have barcode in my source librarymaster db. |
| 05:39 |
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wajasu |
i see importbatch.pm wants the itemtag which may be defined by a link->marc_db entry |
| 05:39 |
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wajasu |
will try tomorrow, gnight |
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| 06:38 |
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chobbs |
Quick question - I have ~96K MARK records in my current ILS, and they imported cleanly into Koha (yay!). If I turn on BiblioAddsAuthorities, will Authorites be created using the Stage MARC for Importing? |
| 06:39 |
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chobbs |
Assuming I re-import, that is. |
| 06:40 |
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chris |
im pretty sure thats a no, but im not 100% sure |
| 06:40 |
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chris |
why dont you try importing 10 say |
| 06:40 |
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chris |
and see |
| 06:40 |
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chobbs |
Well, that makes sense :) |
| 06:40 |
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chobbs |
I |
| 06:41 |
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chobbs |
I'm not sure what format Koha wants for import of Authorities, and was hoping I could kill two birds with one stone so to speak :) |
| 06:46 |
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chris |
*nod* makes sense, cant hurt to give it a try with a small amount of records |
| 06:46 |
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chobbs |
Hmmm. Is there even a tool for importing authority records? And if not, would it be safe/wise/OK to muck about in the back-end DB? I don't even see a table that jumps out at me as being for authorities :/ |
| 06:47 |
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chris |
yeah there is bulkmarcimport.pl and bulkauthimport.pl |
| 06:47 |
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chris |
cli tools |
| 06:47 |
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chris |
in misc/migration_tools |
| 06:48 |
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chobbs |
beautiful, thank you! |
| 06:50 |
|
* chobbs |
just notices that those files are mentioned in the readme... jeech |
| 06:55 |
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chris |
yeah, but who reads those :) |
| 06:56 |
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Ropuch |
Morning #koha |
| 06:59 |
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chobbs |
chris, Actually, i was following it pretty religiously to get koha up on my ubuntu.karmic server, but started playing instead of reading once I was able to log into admin :) |
| 07:00 |
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chobbs |
I actually did hte marc import into a virtualbox edition of koha, but am now building what will be the production server in my VMWare env. |
| 07:01 |
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chris |
sweet |
| 07:01 |
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chris |
whereabouts in the world are you? im guessing west coast usa? |
| 07:01 |
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chobbs |
Was frankly really surprised it was as easy as it was to export MARC from our existing ILS - yeah, California. |
| 07:02 |
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chris |
yeah some systems do it right ... the trick is pretty much always the circulation and borrower data |
| 07:03 |
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chobbs |
Borrower data we're already exporting from our student info system (we're a K-12), so that should be straightforward. Circulation will be the only potentially challenging bit. |
| 07:03 |
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chris |
cool |
| 07:04 |
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chobbs |
And the existing ILS has some reasonable capability for export of flat-files. So I'm hoping it won't be too painful to extract holding info. |
| 07:05 |
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chris |
ahh yeah if you can get it out, then a bit of munging and you'll get it in ok |
| 07:06 |
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chobbs |
Is there an item import util as well? Or wil be in the db for that? |
| 07:07 |
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chris |
ahh what you want to do, is get the item data into the 952 fields in marc |
| 07:08 |
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chris |
then bulkmarcimport.pl will create items as you go |
| 07:09 |
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chobbs |
Hmmmm. Talking over my head a bit now :) But I'm willing to read up on it. Sounds like maybe I'd need to manipulate the exported MARC records to incorporate my item info? Then import it as a whole? |
| 07:10 |
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chris |
thats the ticket |
| 07:10 |
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chobbs |
good deal |
| 07:11 |
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chobbs |
unless I get ridiculously lucky and my existing ILS will do it for me, but I can't imagine they'd make it that easy to migrate away from them :) |
| 07:11 |
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chris |
:) |
| 07:11 |
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chris |
lots of people have done it using marcedit |
| 07:12 |
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chobbs |
you mean this? http://people.oregonstate.edu/[…]it/html/index.php |
| 07:13 |
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chris |
yep |
| 07:14 |
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chobbs |
Alright, more reading :) |
| 07:24 |
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chobbs |
So 952 is a repeatable field in the MARC record, right? So if i had five copies of a title, I would have five 952 p$ entries, five 952 b$, etc., for that record? |
| 07:24 |
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chris |
exactly right |
| 07:25 |
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chobbs |
Do i need to distinguish between the five items in any way, or just load them sequentially? |
| 07:25 |
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chobbs |
ie: |
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| 07:25 |
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chobbs |
952 p$ 1234 952 p$ 1235 952 p$ 1236 952 b$ ABC 952 b$ DEF 952 b$ GHI |
| 07:26 |
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chobbs |
would that put barcode 1234 at library ABC? |
| 07:33 |
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chris |
ah i think it has to be grouped |
| 07:34 |
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chobbs |
ahh, so 952 $p 1234 952 $b ABC 952 $p 1235 952 $b DEF and so on |
| 07:35 |
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chris |
yeah i think so |
| 07:35 |
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chris |
we need a librarian to check with :) |
| 07:35 |
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chobbs |
that gives me enough to start experimenting with then :) |
| 07:35 |
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chobbs |
lol, that's certainly not me! |
| 07:35 |
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chris |
i think they are all asleep, europe will be waking up soon though |
| 07:36 |
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chobbs |
I need to head off myself - one of thes e dys I'll connect at a reasonable hour :) |
| 07:36 |
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chobbs |
s/dys/days |
| 07:36 |
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chobbs |
too tired to type well :) |
| 07:39 |
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chris |
:) |
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chobbs |
Thanks for the help Chris, I'm guessing I'll be back soon. Have a good night. |
| 07:45 |
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chris |
cya later |
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| 07:58 |
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Peach |
hi all |
| 07:59 |
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chris |
hi Peach |
| 07:59 |
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Peach |
short question about mysql update script please |
| 08:00 |
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Peach |
what's the difference between updatedatabase.pl and updatedatabase30.pl and if our koha installation is already 3.00.01 and want to update to 3.00.04 for example which one do we run |
| 08:08 |
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chris |
neither |
| 08:08 |
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chris |
and you dont want to go to 3.0.4 you want to go 3.0.5 which is the latest stable |
| 08:09 |
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chris |
don't ask me why thats not linked to from the koha.org site, as my rant about liblime holding everyone hostage may offend :) |
| 08:09 |
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Peach |
i know just an example but you mean i don't need to run anything? the structure is the same? |
| 08:09 |
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chris |
you do the upgrade (are you running standard of dev install?) |
| 08:09 |
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thd-away is now known as thd |
| 08:09 |
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chris |
then the web installer will kick in |
| 08:10 |
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chris |
and take over updating the databsae for you |
| 08:10 |
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Peach |
nope this time i'm talking about a standard install sorry |
| 08:10 |
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chris |
right so get the new tarball |
| 08:10 |
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chris |
unpack |
| 08:10 |
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chris |
run perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log |
| 08:11 |
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chris |
koha-install-log will be somewhere in the old dir |
| 08:11 |
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chris |
make |
| 08:11 |
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chris |
make test |
| 08:11 |
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chris |
sudo make upgrade |
| 08:11 |
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Peach |
ah! i see. thanks a lot! :D |
| 08:12 |
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chris |
once that is done, when you go to the website it will redirect you to the upgrade bit |
| 08:12 |
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Peach |
:) now that's convenient. i used to think koha is a pain to install |
| 08:13 |
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chris |
theres lots worse ... but it certainly could be easier |
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Peach |
alright i'll get back to work now. thanks a lot, chris! |
| 08:17 |
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chris |
no problem |
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chris |
mark_osborne++ |
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chris |
http://theopensourceschool.blo[…]in-free-beer.html |
| 10:34 |
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* chris |
goes to bed |
| 10:36 |
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Ropuch |
Night chris |
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kf |
night chris |
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pongtawat |
Hello Koha |
| 11:41 |
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pongtawat |
I have some question about Koha translation web, is anybody here could help me? |
| 11:43 |
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kf |
perhaps I can |
| 11:43 |
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pongtawat |
Thank you :) |
| 11:43 |
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kf |
I translate Koha to German |
| 11:43 |
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pongtawat |
I wonder how pootle process Contributors and Sumissions count? |
| 11:43 |
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kf |
chris (Chris Cormack) ist translation manager for more difficult questions |
| 11:43 |
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pongtawat |
My friend just upload a Thai translation for Intranet 3.0.x |
| 11:44 |
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kf |
and it hasnt set counts? |
| 11:44 |
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pongtawat |
But it didn't count her sumissions |
| 11:44 |
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pongtawat |
I think so. |
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| 11:45 |
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pongtawat |
Actually she is also the one who upload most initial translation for OPAC for 3.0.x. |
| 11:45 |
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kf |
hm I noticed that too, I think it only sets the counts when translating in web interface |
| 11:45 |
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kf |
but its not important for the translation |
| 11:45 |
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pongtawat |
That doesn't shown up as count too. |
| 11:45 |
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pongtawat |
Oh.... |
| 11:45 |
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pongtawat |
But it is quite important for us. |
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| 11:46 |
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kf |
perhaps its best you ask chris about it |
| 11:46 |
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pongtawat |
Could you please tell me how can I reach him? |
| 11:46 |
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kf |
he is sleeping now - he is in new zealand |
| 11:46 |
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pongtawat |
Oh... |
| 11:46 |
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kf |
or write him an email on koha-translate |
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pongtawat |
Thank you, I will try. |
| 11:49 |
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kf |
its only about the counts right? the translations got in? |
| 11:49 |
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pongtawat |
Yes, I think so. |
| 11:49 |
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kf |
ok :) |
| 11:49 |
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pongtawat |
It is now only 3696 words that need attention, not some 4x,xxx :) |
| 11:50 |
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pongtawat |
BTW, how do we prepare translation for 3.1 / 3.2? |
| 11:50 |
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pongtawat |
The messages translated in 3.0 are not automatically transfered to 3.1? |
| 11:50 |
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kf |
there will be an update and a call for translations once we get near release I think |
| 11:51 |
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kf |
they will, but there will be fuzzy strings you will need to check again and new strings |
| 11:51 |
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pongtawat |
I see. |
| 11:51 |
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pongtawat |
Thank you :) |
| 11:52 |
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kf |
you can look at German - I already have files for 3.2 (thx to chris :) ) because we have installations with 3.1 |
| 11:53 |
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pongtawat |
Oh 100% translated! |
| 11:53 |
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pongtawat |
Great job! |
| 11:53 |
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pongtawat |
We will catch you :) |
| 11:53 |
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kf |
thx, but 3.0 was almost translated when I started |
| 11:54 |
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pongtawat |
It seems that contributors stat are not there for German too |
| 12:00 |
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kf |
uploaded fiels and old pootle version did not have those counts I think |
| 12:01 |
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kf |
fiels = files |
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nengard |
is git seriously still down?? |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: alas, yes - but to be resurrected on github if this lasts much longer |
| 12:52 |
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nengard |
okey dokey |
| 12:52 |
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nengard |
If you do that - could someone include instructions on how we change our current branches so that we can get the info from github ... or is it just follow the instructions I got from hdl and put in the newsletter |
| 12:55 |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: I'll write something up - a variation of hdl's instructions will work fine if the github thing is just a temporary need, but we'll have to do something else if git.koha.org stays down for the count |
| 12:55 |
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nengard |
got it |
| 12:55 |
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nengard |
and thanks!! |
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fallor |
hi all :) |
| 13:01 |
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kf |
gmcharlt: I support nengard, instructions for github would be great if its necessary to change |
| 13:01 |
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gmcharlt |
kf: I prefer to make people guess ;) |
| 13:01 |
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gmcharlt |
no seriously, I'll write somethingup |
| 13:02 |
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kf |
just wanted to say its a good idea and that I would be happy about it too :) |
| 13:02 |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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fallor |
where does this come from in OPAC: Helsinki&rft.pub=&rft.edition=&rft.series=&rft.genre="> |
| 13:09 |
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fallor |
strange... |
| 13:10 |
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fallor |
that's a place of publication, obviously, but what's with all the mess?? |
| 13:13 |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: that stuff is COinS, i.e., an embedded OpenURL used for record linking and Zotero support |
| 13:15 |
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nengard |
i wanted to add an agenda item to the next community meeting - but it looks like the only one on the calendar is a community handoff meeting - do we not have a general meeting scheduled? |
| 13:16 |
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gmcharlt |
it's first wednesday if February |
| 13:16 |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., 2/2 |
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nengard |
that's labeled as a community handoff meeting on the wiki |
| 13:16 |
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nengard |
not a general meeting |
| 13:16 |
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nengard |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]rc_meetings:start |
| 13:17 |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
| 13:18 |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: may have a schedule conflct then - at the Jan 13th meeting, I called the next general meeting at 11:00 UTC on 2/2 |
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nengard |
yup - i saw that in the transcript - that's why I'm confused :) |
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gmcharlt |
probably should move it then - two meetings on one day is too much |
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gmcharlt |
and I think the community meeting got scheduled first |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: maybe 2/9? |
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gmcharlt |
makes sense |
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chris_n |
it seems we've been running them a week apart |
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chris_n |
shall I drop a note to the list concerning the change? |
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nengard |
yes please - do you want me to add it to the wiki? |
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gmcharlt |
please |
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chris_n |
sounds good |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n nengard anybody: can you confirm that you can clone git github.com:galencharlton/koha.git |
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hdl_laptop |
hi all |
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Ropuch |
gmcharlt: Permission denied (publickey). |
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Ropuch |
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
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gmcharlt |
Ropuch: ah, right - please try git://github.com/galencharlton/koha.git |
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fallor |
gmcharlt: er... why does it show up like that in OPAC? |
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nengard |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes10feb09 |
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Ropuch |
gmcharlt: works for me |
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owen |
Hi all. |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: it may be a glitch in the template |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: works fine here too |
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gmcharlt |
does that show up for every bib search? |
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* chris_n |
greets owen |
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jwagner |
Good morning all |
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kf |
hi jwagner |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: ok for me too |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: cool |
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gmcharlt |
send me your public key so that you can push to it |
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gmcharlt |
also, if you have a github account, let me know and I'll make you a repo collaborator |
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hdl_laptop |
I have one |
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hdl_laptop |
laurenthdl |
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tekonivel |
0 |
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nengard |
chris_n I made the meeting at 11 UTC becuase that was the time we had agreed on for the old meeting ... but you put 19 in the email .. which should it be? |
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fallor |
gmcharlt: it shows up in the search result list when the search is done with location |
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chris_n |
opps |
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chris_n |
I'll correct the email |
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fallor |
for example: http://koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bin/ko[…]arch.pl?q=tampere |
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chris_n |
nengard: corrected |
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owen |
fallor: What version of Koha are you using? |
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gmcharlt |
I see what hte problem is - the search highlighting is inserting itself in the COinS - bug, shouldn't be doing that |
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fallor |
owen: 3.00.00.107 |
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nengard |
woo hoo -- http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=14488 congrats BibLibre and Libriotech |
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Ropuch |
Nice |
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jwagner |
Congrats to BibLibre and Libriotech! |
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* owen |
is trying to duplicate fallor's problem |
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* owen |
's COinS info doesn't include rft.place like fallor's does |
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fallor |
well this system is a bit of a strange bird |
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fallor |
most of the data is imported from voyager |
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fallor |
which has been troublesome to say the very least ;P |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: most likely, an upgrade to 3.0.5 would resolve the problem |
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jwagner |
gmcharlt, I just had a very unpleasant flashback :-( For quite a while with Unicorn problems, Sirsi's primary response was "an upgrade to the next version would solve the problem." At least with Koha, the odds are that it really will :-) |
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fallor |
gmcharlt: will that be a lot of work? |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: no, should be simple unless you have lots of customizations to code or OPAC templates |
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fallor |
opac-templates have been customized a bit, so that'll be lost then? :( |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: ain't that always the way of things :) in this case, though I'm pretty confident - the search highlighting was changed between 3.0.0.? and 3.0.5 |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: actually, there is something else to try first - turn off the OpacHighlightedWords system preference |
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nengard |
gmcharlt bug 3589 talks about that |
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munin` |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3589 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, ASSIGNED, OpacHighlightedWords sys pref does nothing |
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fallor |
well, that seems to be off ?! |
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nengard |
owen patched it, but not sure if it's in the version you're all working on |
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fallor |
so how does it do hilighting anyway |
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fallor |
ah, ok :) |
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owen |
I don't think my patch is even in HEAD yet |
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fallor |
that does nothing indeed |
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gmcharlt |
right - the syspref in question should work in 3.0.0.107 |
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fallor |
well it doesn't |
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fallor |
also another thing: how can we get 110a to show up as "by" |
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fallor |
(i.e. as author) |
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fallor |
this is really important with music |
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jwagner |
fallor, do you have XSLT sysprefs turned on for OPAC? (both results & display)? The 110 will show as an author with XSLT on; not sure about it if XSLT is off. |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: you wouldn't happening to be running 3.*01*.00.107? |
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fallor |
gmcharlt: well, not unless the about-box of koha is lying about it ;) |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: just checking :) |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: since you've customized the opac-templates already, a temporary fix would be to edit opac-results.tmpl and remove the COinS tagging |
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fallor |
jaiks! turning on XSLT does indeed seem to work, but clicking on any of the search results returns: production mode - trapped fatal error |
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fallor |
well, it doesn't actually work then... :D |
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fallor |
but 110a shows up correctly |
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fallor |
actually it fixed the coins problem too |
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fallor |
now there is just this "fatal error" problem |
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jwagner |
It would fix the coins problem -- that seems to be a template error, and XSLT/non-XSLT use different screen files. Why you're getting an error is a different problem :-) |
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fallor |
any ideas on that? |
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jwagner |
The reason it's throwing the error is because there is no biblionumber attached to the title in the search. Now why THAT is, I don't know. But if you hover over a title in the results list, down at the bottom on the status line each title ends in ?biblionumber= with no number. The system has to have the biblionumber to go to the item. |
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nengard |
k - gotta run and teach a webinar - be back this afternoon |
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fallor |
it says biblionumber= |
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fallor |
it's blank |
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fallor |
it used to work when XSLT pref was off, what broke it now |
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jwagner |
That's the problem -- it should say biblionumber=12345 or whatever. I don't know why it's not picking them up. Anyone else? Would a zebra rebuild help? |
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fallor |
we're no using zebra on this config at all |
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hdl_laptop |
jwagner: no, could be an xslt issue |
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hdl_laptop |
maybe biblionumber is not taken for the correct tag/subfield |
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fallor |
hdl: how do i check that? |
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jwagner |
OK, I'm out of my depth then with no-zebra. Is this a Unimarc system? |
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fallor |
nope, it's marc21 |
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fallor |
(albeit a bit modified version of marc21 to accomodate old finmarc/marc21-fin records) |
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fallor |
(we used to have two national formats before) |
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fallor |
(which was insane to begin with, but that's beside the point ;)) |
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fallor |
opac-detail.pl: PROBLEM WITH RECORD at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/XSLT.pm line 65., referer: http://koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bin/ko[…]rch.pl?q=leskinen |
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fallor |
opac-detail.pl: Can't "next" outside a loop block at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/XSLT.pm line 65., referer: http://koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bin/ko[…]rch.pl?q=leskinen |
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fallor |
that's in log |
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fallor |
biblionumber seems to be linked to 090c |
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fallor |
(in marc links) |
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fallor |
in liblime demo-system it seems to be 999c |
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jwagner |
No, the biblionumber is the internal database key number -- it links the biblio record to the other tables. It might also be stored in the MARC, but the system is trying to read the key from the table. |
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fallor |
out system doesn't even have 999c |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: the bibliomnumber gets copied to the MARC record - the specific tag and subfield is specified in the MARC framework |
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gmcharlt |
fallor: can you paste/link to the MARC view of one of your bibs? |
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fallor |
no, unfortunately not, because all I get is this production mode trapped fatal error in OPAC |
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fallor |
i can copy/paste it somewere of course |
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fallor |
actually i'll just switch the xslt thingys off for a while |
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fallor |
that's probably more simple |
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fallor |
http://koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bin/ko[…]l?biblionumber=23 |
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fallor |
here's one |
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fallor |
090 fields don't show up in it because they're hidden of course |
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fallor |
but biblio.biblionumber is in 090c, like i said |
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fallor |
http://koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bin/ko[…]showmarc.pl?id=23 |
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fallor |
maybe this is more useful |
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hdl_laptop |
you have to tweak XSLT so that it recognizes biblionumber is in 090$c.... Or recreate the database with correct configuration file |
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hdl_laptop |
at the beginning of your XSLT for detail, you probably make use of 999 and not 090$c |
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fallor |
hdl: how do i do that? |
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hdl_laptop |
edit the koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21*(Results|Details).xsl |
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fallor |
ok, let' see... |
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hdl_laptop |
search for tag="999"> <subfield code='9'> |
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hdl_laptop |
And change tag subfieldcode to the correct values 090$c |
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fallor |
ok, done |
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fallor |
do i need to do something more? |
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fallor |
no, i don't |
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hdl_laptop |
have you done that for both results and Details ? |
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fallor |
nope |
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hdl_laptop |
ou should then |
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fallor |
i did that for results |
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hdl_laptop |
;) |
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fallor |
so for details also |
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hdl_laptop |
ok check your results then |
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hdl_laptop |
to see if it works now |
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hdl_laptop |
fallor: looks fine now |
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fallor |
seems to work now :) |
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fallor |
yep |
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hdl_laptop |
you can browse |
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hdl_laptop |
ok. Same action for Details and commit |
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fallor |
did that already, so it should be fine now |
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fallor |
thanks :) |
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wizzyrea |
fallor: as an aside, I wouldn't base anything that koha does on the LibLime demo version. It's totally different. |
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wizzyrea |
boo no cait |
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wizzyrea |
I have kind of a strange issue, possibly SIP related |
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wizzyrea |
so we have a library using self checkout and checkin chutes. They are RFID. |
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wizzyrea |
in this library only, we occasionally get items that have dual reported statuses, checked out and availab |
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wizzyrea |
le |
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wizzyrea |
it's obviously a staus sync issue, but where is it coming from |
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wizzyrea |
? |
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wizzyrea |
thought: could it be network related... we are connecting to SIP over the internet, could a hiccup in the network result in an incomplete SIP transaction? |
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wizzyrea |
thus causing the sync issue that gives us dual statuses? |
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* wizzyrea |
is feeling lonely |
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owen |
Hi wizzyrea |
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* owen |
doesn't know SIP from a sippy cup |
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wizzyrea |
it's ok :) |
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wizzyrea |
owen, do you think that I should do a separate widget for koha logins or roll it into the one I have already done? |
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wizzyrea |
(to put login boxes onto WP blogs) |
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wizzyrea |
i'm thinking either the one-stop koha widget (one widget to rule them all) or a separate widget for koha search and login |
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wizzyrea |
maybe I'm not being clear |
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owen |
I guess I'd probably do a separate one |
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owen |
They're separate on our site: http://www.myacpl.org |
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wizzyrea |
so drag/drop koha search, drag/drop koha login |
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wizzyrea |
I suppose that's more flexible. I'll do that. |
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wizzyrea |
wordpress widgets are fun >.> |
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* jdavidb |
waves at wizzyrea, so she won't feel lonely. |
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wizzyrea |
:D hai |
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wizzyrea |
I do sometimes like to think about problems "out loud" |
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wizzyrea |
I have my best revelations that way |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea, Colin's done a lot of work on SIP and RFID for us. He doesn't seem to be online right now -- check with him when he reappears. |
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jwagner |
Your problem sounds suspiciously familiar. |
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wizzyrea |
jwagner: thanks, I will ask him |
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wizzyrea |
there aren't all that many SIP users out there, sadly |
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wizzyrea |
anybody know what happened to the www.openncip.org project? |
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jwagner |
We're still fighting one bug with the SIP/RFID setup, but he's got a lot of fixes already. |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: openncip is essentially the SIP2 support for Koha and Evergreen |
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gmcharlt |
it doesn't actually implement NCIP, though despite the name |
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gmcharlt |
at present, Koha's SIP2 support is essentially a fork of OpenNCIP |
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wizzyrea |
sweet, I love truth in advertising |
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gmcharlt |
which we'd like to get merged back in |
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gmcharlt |
time permitting, etc. |
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wizzyrea |
right |
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wizzyrea |
and that site is owned/maintained by LL |
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wizzyrea |
so do we know where that stands? |
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gmcharlt |
presumably would be transferred to PTFS |
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gmcharlt |
the code itself is hosted on sourceforge |
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gmcharlt |
and dfjiander has been the primary person work on it over the years |
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wizzyrea |
so NCIP is not technically supported in koha yet? |
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wizzyrea |
or is that a wrong reading |
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gmcharlt |
NCIP isn't supported by Koha |
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wizzyrea |
okies, something to work towards then :) |
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gmcharlt |
do you have a specific need for NCIP support, out of curiosity/ |
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wizzyrea |
not yet, but people are asking about it on the LL users list, there's quite a bit of confusion |
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wizzyrea |
acronym phobia |
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owen |
Ohio libraries (although not NPL in particular) could use NCIP support to interface with the statewide resource sharing system |
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wizzyrea |
yes, kansas the same |
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wizzyrea |
and texas |
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wizzyrea |
in kansas you can use either sip2 or NCIP |
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wizzyrea |
currently we are using SIP2 |
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wizzyrea |
to interface with the AutoGraphics resource sharing system |
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wizzyrea |
AGENT |
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gmcharlt |
is there a union catalog sitting on top of that AGENT system? |
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wizzyrea |
I believe so |
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wizzyrea |
aww, schuster, you just missed our enlightening discussion of sip2 and NCIP |
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owen |
"opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 469" |
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owen |
Does that mean the variable being compared by the 'eq' is uninitialized? |
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wizzyrea |
hi colin |
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kf |
wizzyrea: there aren't all that many SIP users out there, sadly < dont forget our small library :) |
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wizzyrea |
i remembered you :D |
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wizzyrea |
but was looking for cait lol |
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wizzyrea |
i always forget |
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kf |
;) |
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wizzyrea |
sneaky lady ;) |
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wizzyrea |
do you ever get dual statuses, kf? |
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jdavidb |
owen: that's what it means...one or other of the elements is uninitialized. |
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kf |
dual statuses? sorry, just started reading back |
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wizzyrea |
right, where an item is both checked out and available |
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jdavidb |
owen: for expressions of the form ($foo eq $bar), it's a pain, since you have to figure out *which*. |
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wizzyrea |
an example of the type of problem this causes: the holds queue looks at one status, the OPAC display looks at a different one |
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wizzyrea |
so you could have a checked out item appearing on a hold queue list |
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kf |
I saw that once |
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owen |
First put the book in a box with a radioactive isotope, then build an interface to Koha that circulates based on the decay of that isotope. |
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kf |
but I think it was not the self checks fault |
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Colin |
Hi (belatedly) |
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wizzyrea |
the only thing common to our incidences of this happening is that all of the items went through our self-check library |
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kf |
can I search for this items in my database? |
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wizzyrea |
usually through the chute |
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wizzyrea |
the check-in chute, I should say |
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wizzyrea |
the only thing that fixes it is to return and re-issue the item |
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kf |
ok, so perhaps it was the self check. I saw it once while testing, never saw it again and was nt able to reproduce it. But I think jwagner also experienced this phenomenon (not sure, but I did talk to somebody else about it) |
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wizzyrea |
A birdie told me that maybe colin was working on it? |
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chris_n |
owen: what version? |
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Colin |
wizzyrea I've seen it |
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* jwagner |
chirps |
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wizzyrea |
Colin: is there a bug for it in bugzilla? |
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* chris_n |
's opac-search.pl line 469 is blank |
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* wizzyrea |
thinks to add one if not |
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kf |
hm, I think a sql report to look for items with two statuses would be good to check |
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chris_n |
definitely uninitialized :-) |
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wizzyrea |
yes, it would |
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kf |
not sure I can produce one |
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wizzyrea |
there are two places that the status is kept right, marcxml and ... |
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Colin |
No, because I'm not sure how reproduceable it is |
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kf |
items |
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wizzyrea |
Ah |
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owen |
chris_n: I'm working off of biblibre/3.2_community |
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wizzyrea |
so you could find all items that had statuses that didn't match in marcxml and items |
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kf |
there is a boolean field, something like onloan |
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kf |
must be xml then |
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kf |
items cant have 2 statuses |
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chris_n |
owen: try changing 'if ($params->{'offset'} eq '') {' to 'if (($params->{'offset'}) && ($params->{'offset'} eq '')) {' |
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kf |
sql report on xml *shudders* |
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wizzyrea |
http://screencast.com/t/MzI4MGQwM |
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owen |
chris_n: Actually I think the check for eq '' is incorrect. Earlier in the script the variable $offset is initialized like this: my $offset = $params->{'offset'} || 0; |
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chris_n |
or even just 'if ($params->{'offset'}) {' in this case (I think) |
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wizzyrea |
this is what it looks like, 3rd in the list |
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wizzyrea |
that showed up on a pick list this morning |
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owen |
chris_n: line 329 |
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chris_n |
owen: 'if (!$params->{'offset'}) {' rather |
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wizzyrea |
sec, redoing that snap |
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chris_n |
right, so ^^ should work |
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chris_n |
opps |
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chris_n |
oh bother |
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kf |
yes, thats what I saw |
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wizzyrea |
http://screencast.com/t/YTk3ZGU2N2Qt |
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chris_n |
'if ($params->{'offset'} == 0) {' |
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* chris_n |
uncrosses his eyes now |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
mom afk |
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wizzyrea |
basehor is the selfcheck library |
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owen |
chris_n: ...assuming the check should be on $params->{'offset'} and not $offset... :| |
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Colin |
If you could open a bug for it, I'm not sure its a purely sip related thing |
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wizzyrea |
<3 I will do that |
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chris_n |
owen: also need to change about line 490 as well |
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wizzyrea |
and I'm glad to hear you say that, since now I can tell my people something |
| 16:58 |
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wizzyrea |
instead of "iunno" |
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chris_n |
owen: I'm guessing we want the offset passed in at this point |
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schuster |
wizzyrea - just read it in the history log. I have that automatically open for the current day so I can catch up! Not very enlightening. |
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Colin |
My suspicion is there is something that can go wrong in return. Sip is a bit of a victim because it just wants to |
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wizzyrea |
colin: I had thought maybe a network hiccup/incomplete transaction |
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Colin |
return they book oj or not. The actual return code takes a long and wandering walk |
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wizzyrea |
in which case there's probably not much to be done about it |
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Colin |
There's always something to do, but the more examples we see the better at this stage |
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wizzyrea |
what kind of stuff helps, screenshot wise? |
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wizzyrea |
the kind of thing I did or item pages or... |
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wizzyrea |
I'm not on site at the SIP library, sadly |
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Colin |
What you did plus what the item should show..(are holds or transits involved) |
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wizzyrea |
cool, can do |
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kf |
wizzyrea++ # for catching evil return bugs :) |
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wizzyrea |
colin, I'm going to assign this bug to you, pm me your email addy? |
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wizzyrea |
if that's ok with you |
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Colin |
colin.campbellptfs-europe.com |
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wizzyrea |
kf: I have observant and anal librarians catching this stuff. I just report/think about it |
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wizzyrea |
colin: thx :) |
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wizzyrea |
bug 4063 |
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Colin |
thanks...damn this means testing |
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wizzyrea |
sorry, I'll see what I can do to get more info |
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jdavidb |
wizzyrea: language construct check--are the anal and observant librarians the *same* persons? |
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wizzyrea |
acl mccune src 216.49.42.125/24 |
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wizzyrea |
acl mccune src 216.49.42.125/24 |
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wizzyrea |
acl mccune src 216.49.42.125/24 |
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wizzyrea |
acl mccune src 216.49.42.125/24 |
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wizzyrea |
acl mccune src 216.49.42.125/24 |
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wizzyrea |
acl mccune src 216.49.42.125/24 |
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wizzyrea |
acl mccune src 216.49.42.125/24 |
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wizzyrea |
acl mccune src 216.49.42.125/24 |
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wizzyrea |
lol, not necessarliy |
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wizzyrea |
oh my |
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wizzyrea |
that did not work |
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wizzyrea |
sorry >.< |
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wizzyrea |
now we know that mccune is in some range in kansas. whee. |
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jdavidb |
hee hee |
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kf |
wizzyrea: thinking of a comment - I dont even know which version our installation wa sback then :( |
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schuster |
speaking of checkins... |
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schuster |
I had an irate librarian call me this morning... She ran overdues and found 8 items that had been checked in on the shelves as still checked out. I still think there is a problem with cki |
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owen |
schuster: chris has said he believes that to be so, hasn't he? |
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schuster |
I think maybe the transactions are not completing when the system gets slow and you scan the next item so you see the title on the screen but the transaction didn't complete. |
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schuster |
Yes - I've put in a note for development with my support company, but there is a lot in flux right now. |
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schuster |
Wonder if that may be influencing some of the SIP issues? |
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ColinC |
That's my suspicion. |
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schuster |
So - I have an idea for some community development and wanting comments. I'm going to build an RFC on the wiki and also maybe contact the Evergreen folks for comment using their tool and see what we come up with. |
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schuster |
check-url.pl - I talked with our perl programmer today and we are going to tweak it some to make it more user friendly and want to tweak it for best use in the long run so may do some screen shots etc... |
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schuster |
hmmm where to put an RFC since 3.2 is almost complete, 3.4 is down the road and this doesn't change anything in DB structure??? |
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owen |
3.4 development starts really soon schuster, it's not too far down the road for your RFC |
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schuster |
Yeah that's what I was thinking - I'd build the page and then people can comment on it and if it needs to be moved it can be. ;) |
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owen |
Has anyone heard any explanation for why git.koha.org is down? I might be sympathetic if I knew someone was working on it. |
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gmcharlt |
owen: nothing yet |
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* owen |
grumps |
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gmcharlt |
github substitute is ready to go if need be |
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chris |
im partial to gitorious, even though the github developers bought me beer during LCA :) |
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chris |
but either works |
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wizzyrea |
chris, hi |
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chris |
hi wizzyrea |
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* chris |
has some kinda weird flu, with aching ears ... its not pleasant |
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* jwagner |
sends chris some chicken soup |
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schuster |
Shares 5 year olds anibiotics with chris... ;) |
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chris |
heh |
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* kf |
sends nana mint tea (my current favourite :) ) |
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kf |
we all want you to get better |
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gmcharlt |
chris: github/gitorious will hopefully just be a temporary thing |
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* wizzyrea |
sends Chris the roasted duck soup from the Thai place up the street... you'll feel better straight away. |
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kf |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
it's what I always get... the garlic and ginger don't hurt either. |
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chris |
gmcharlt: yep, either is fine in that case |
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kf |
ok, time to stop working and go home - bye all :) |
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owen |
Anyone have opinions about Bug 4061? |
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munin` |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4061 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, Improve OPAC maintenance screen |
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gmcharlt |
owen: looks good to me |
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jwagner |
owen, sounds like a good idea |
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wizzyrea |
yea, 2nd |
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wizzyrea |
with the header |
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* chobbs |
is happy. My current ILS exports MARC records with item data intacts - just need to convert from 949 to 952 :-) |
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jwagner |
chobbs, that's not trivial, but it's MUCH better than the alternative :-) |
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chobbs |
That's what I figured! |
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Colin |
owen |
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Colin |
owen: that was a looks good (plus finger trouble) |
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gmcharlt |
owen: finally got an update - git.koha.org seems to have sufferred a hardware failure; ticket has been opened at the colo |
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wizzyrea |
colin: I bet you could reproduce this issue if you put heavy load on your dev server and tried to return with SIP |
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wizzyrea |
colin: the SIP dual status issue, that is |
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wizzyrea |
it's certainly not every return |
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Colin |
wizzyrea: do you think it occurs more often at busy times? |
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wizzyrea |
It's one of the only explanations I can think of that makes it truly intermittent |
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wizzyrea |
we are on a shared hosted system, I have no clue what the load looks like on our server at any given point :( |
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wizzyrea |
but we have lately seen some slowness issues |
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wizzyrea |
plus, you have schuster reporting something kind of similar with web checkins, and his is definitely during busy times, if I understand correctly |
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schuster |
We are self hosted, and the majority of our checkins happen between 7:30 and 9 am then the checkouts the rest of the day. We are not having issues with checkout though. |
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wizzyrea |
yea, your problem, and mine, are both with check in |
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chris |
back to bed i go |
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schuster |
take care of yourself!! |
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Colin |
bye all |
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jwagner |
Too late to catch Colin, but he already knows -- our problems are also with checkin, and during busy times. |
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jwagner |
The site having problems does checkins via the RFID selfcheck (faster than staff doing it through the Koha interface). |
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wizzyrea |
cool, I added that detail to the bug |
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richard |
hi |
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* chris_n |
finds hard coded paths in C4::XSLT |
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chris_n |
naughty, naughty |
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owen |
You could always blame the folks who added non-en XSLT support ;) |
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chris_n |
I'd have to blame the folks who added the opacthemes feature ;-) |
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wizzyrea |
ohh snap |
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chris_n |
so why is the C4::XSLT looking for non-existent xml templates in the staff client? |
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chris_n |
ie. intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl |
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owen |
It's a bug with an existing patch I think |
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gmcharlt |
git.koha.org is back up |
| 19:46 |
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owen |
Bug 3921 |
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* chris_n |
cheers |
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munin` |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3921 major, P5, ---, paul.poulainbiblibre.com, NEW, XSLTdetailDisplay throws error in staff client |
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chris_n |
tnx owen |
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owen |
frederic sent a patch on 2009-12-14 but it didn't get attached to the bug report |
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* owen |
wonders what the fate of that patch was |
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* jdavidb |
looks for dead kittens. |
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owen |
Talk about something you don't want to succeed at! |
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jdavidb |
b'zacly! |
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chris_n |
it does not appear to be in the biblibre community branch |
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chris_n |
jdavidb must have went off hunting |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n owen: now in head |
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chris_n |
cool |
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jwagner |
chris_n, so long as he's not hunting for ME.... |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
koha login widget for WordPress http://www.mykansaslibrary.org/widgets |
| 19:57 |
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wizzyrea |
I'm contemplating adding a "search my branch only" functionality to the search one, but I'm not sure I can get the branches out of koha automagically |
| 19:58 |
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wizzyrea |
I'd like to keep it as simple as possible |
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owen |
wizzyrea: Maybe we should add a simple script to Koha which would output branches+branchcodes as XML |
| 19:59 |
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wizzyrea |
that would be super sweet |
| 19:59 |
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* owen |
looks around for the magic button for that |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: something in /svc ideally, to go along with the other web services |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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owen |
And one for itemtypes, and one for collection codes. And one for ponies. |
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jwagner |
owen, when you find that magic button, let me know. I have lots of other uses for it too. |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, I really want the widget to only require the OPAC url for configuration purposes |
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wizzyrea |
I think that's information that anybody can get |
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gmcharlt |
actually, a read-only web service to just dump rows from various tables as JSON or XML could be done quickly |
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owen |
...says the man with the biggest fullest plate of any of us. |
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owen |
Speaking of magic buttons: http://www.pidjin.net/2010/01/25/iwish/ |
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gmcharlt |
owen: just trying to give you and Liz ideas on how to do it ;) |
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jwagner |
One wish, and he wasted it on that??? |
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wizzyrea |
it's a good idea |
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jwagner |
Whatever happened to, oh, world peace, or teleportation as a form of mass transit, or being able to eat endless amounts of chocolate without gaining weight??? |
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* wizzyrea |
requires examples, can anybody point to an available script that does something similar? |
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wizzyrea |
(i'm a do it learner) |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: take a look at /svc/bib_profile |
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wizzyrea |
(shameless stealing learner, more accurately) |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt: thanks |
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wizzyrea |
XML::Simple is what outputs the XML? |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
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wizzyrea |
ohh, ty this *is* a good example |
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chilts |
wizzyrea: good artists copy, great artists steal :) |
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chilts |
apparently |
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* chris_n |
holds his breath and invokes the web installer |
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chris_n |
and it works.... at least for now :-) |
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cait |
hi #koha :) |
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schuster |
need an sql to count the number of 856 tags I have in the MARC record anyone? |
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wizzyrea |
heya cait |
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cait |
hi wizzyrea :) |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: about? |
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CGI351 |
Hello i'm having trouble uploading marc records to Koha the library was using ISIS and now wants to use Koha, do you have any ideas so that we can import those records? |
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cait |
Normalservice lieferbar bis Ende März |
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cait |
oh sorry, wrong window :) |
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wizzyrea |
man I hate it when that happens |
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cait |
oh yes |
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wizzyrea |
351, I'm not familiar with ISIS, sorry |
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cait |
*sigh* but this time its just: normal service - delivery until end of march - at least nothing really embarassing |
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CGI351 |
how did you imported MARC to KOHA? |
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owen |
CGI351: Were you able to export MARC data from ISIS? |
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wizzyrea |
we had a talented team of migration specialists who we paid to massage the data into place |
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CGI351 |
no, we are trying to use MarcEdit to change them to MARC |
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owen |
CGI351: What version of Koha? |
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CGI351 |
3.0 |
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owen |
CGI351: Once you've created a valid MARC file using MarcEdit you can import it using the "Stage MARC Records for Import" tool |
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owen |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ma[…]l_en/ch02s08.html |
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CGI351 |
I tought I had done that but when I import the file there are no items attached to it |
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owen |
Are you sure there are items in your MARC file? |
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CGI351 |
yes I think so |
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CGI351 |
hen i opned the file in marcedit the items are there |
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chris_n |
schuster: this might get you started: SELECT count(*) FROM biblioitems WHERE (ExtractValue(biblioitems.marcxml, '//datafield[@tag="952"]/subfield[@code]')); |
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schuster |
Incorrect file format 'proc' |
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schuster |
OK thanks for the starter - I'll try and read through that to build something useful. |
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owen |
schuster: That query worked on my test system, but it was really slow. FYI. |
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chris_n |
owen: I imagine so if you have many bibs |
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schuster |
owen did you change from 952 to 856? or??? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: now that HEAD is synced up, and will remain so, please patch against head now |
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chris_n |
how long did it take to execute, for curiosity |
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schuster |
hmmm interesting that it works on yours and not mine. |
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owen |
gmcharlt: Thanks for the update gmcharlt, will do. |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt++ # HEAD is synced up |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt++ |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ |
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owen |
chris_n: 23.44 seconds to return a count of 13233 out of 13397 total lines in biblioitems. |
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chris_n |
schuster: I'm not 100% sure that the numbers returned are accurate at this point either |
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chris_n |
owen: does that number match the number of items you have? |
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* wizzyrea |
wonders if we are going to kill git.koha.org now :) |
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owen |
chris_n: No |
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chris_n |
I did't think so |
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schuster |
playing with launchpad - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/koha |
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chris_n |
mine doesn't either |
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wizzyrea |
what's with the sudden interest in Launchpad? |
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wizzyrea |
I think I must have missed something over the weekend... |
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wizzyrea |
anything to worry about here? |
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wizzyrea |
http://screencast.com/t/NTQxMjE5 |
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schuster |
Evergreen doesn't have a bug tool or a tool to talk about enhancements... There was discussion that bugzilla wasn't very friendly dealing with enhancements so I was just playing... |
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wizzyrea |
do you mean koha? |
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wizzyrea |
ah, you must have been talking with vtl then |
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wizzyrea |
I asked about it ages ago, people don't like it b/c it's not free/open enough |
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owen |
wizzyrea: See Lori Ayre's email to the koha list on 2009-01-21 |
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wizzyrea |
Ah |
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wizzyrea |
yikes, I was way behind on the list |
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owen |
Yeah wizzyrea you might be 3 or 4 wheel-reinventions behind by now ;) |
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wizzyrea |
haha |
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wizzyrea |
I was too busy reinventing my own wheels I guess |
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schuster |
she's into widgets... |
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* wizzyrea |
does have a bit of a love affair with WordPress going on right now, I hope you'll understand |
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cait |
:D |
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schuster |
We are soooo into making Koha more friendly - that some of the developer/enhancement tools maybe need some TLC...??? You may know how to make the page jump but I can barely get the text in! |
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schuster |
Not wanting to start anything just commenting. |
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cait |
schuster: tlc? |
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schuster |
Tender Loving Care |
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schuster |
ie improvement |
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cait |
thx :) |
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owen |
schuster: Do you mean making Koha itself more friendly, or Koha development more friendly? |
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chris |
the interesting part of that thread is the reply from dbs |
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chris |
who says umm ... EG is already doing something |
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owen |
Reinvented wheels for all! |
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chris |
gotta spend the grant someway |
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wizzyrea |
true enough |
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wizzyrea |
wb chris |
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chris |
thanks |
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chris |
typical we get gorgeous weather, too hot, when i have a fever |
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schuster |
both... - Yes I see Evergreen is doing something with it - just trying to explore options...wb? |
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schuster |
both owen... |
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owen |
wb = "Welcome Back" |
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owen |
ghsyat |
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owen |
( = Going Home, See You All Tomorrow) |
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chris |
:) |
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schuster |
AS you can see my texting ability lacks... |
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wizzyrea |
or you're not terribly lazy, like me. |
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sekjal |
when my acquisitions staff place an order for a second copy of an existing material, the budget gets hit twice, once for new copy and once for the old copy at the new copy's price. |
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sekjal |
has anyone run into this kinda stuff before? |
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sekjal |
(running 3.01.00.039) |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin` |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.1�C (2:37 PM PST on January 26, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising). |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin` |
cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -5.0�C (11:00 PM CET on January 26, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Falling). |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder 66047 |
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cait |
brrr |
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munin` |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 2.4�C (4:40 PM CST on January 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Rising). |
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wizzyrea |
ooh, above 0! |
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brendan |
@quote random |
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munin` |
brendan: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 04:31 PM, July 09, 2009) |
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brendan |
wizzyrea I beat you have added the most quotes |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
yea well |
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wizzyrea |
http://wordpress.org/extend/pl[…]ha-search-widget/ |
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wizzyrea |
I made a wp widget so there |
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brendan |
sorry bet not beat (I would never - so embarrassed) |
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wizzyrea |
I haven't been authenticated with munin in a while |
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brendan |
yeah I just read back through them |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
i bet there are some funny ones |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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munin` |
wizzyrea: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 02:00 PM, November 05, 2009) |
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wizzyrea |
Ahh, I remember that day |
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brendan |
the evil ! |
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wizzyrea |
he was like "It's koha!" and we're like, "It's your browser!!" |
| 22:49 |
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wizzyrea |
./facepalm |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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munin` |
wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009) |
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wizzyrea |
ah I miss that guy, he was funny |
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brendan |
heh |
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brendan |
@quote random |
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munin` |
brendan: Quote #18: "<pianohacker> nitpicking synergy FTW" (added by gmcharlt at 01:35 PM, July 24, 2009) |
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wizzyrea |
hehehe |
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wizzyrea |
it's like taking a tour through all of our favorite funny days |
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brendan |
wonder who has @quote more gmcharlt or wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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munin` |
wizzyrea: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 08:11 AM, July 27, 2009) |
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brendan |
heh - that's a good one |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 21 |
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munin` |
wizzyrea: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 12:18 PM, August 06, 2009) |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 23 |
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munin` |
wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009) |
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wizzyrea |
smrt |
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wizzyrea |
erg, it thinks I'm registered but I guess I'm not identified |
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wizzyrea |
so it won't let me do stuff |
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brendan |
bummer |
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cait |
time to sleep here - good night all :) |
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brendan |
night cait |
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wizzyrea |
gnite cait |
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