IRC log for #koha, 2010-01-20

Time	Nick	Message
00:24	chris_n2	@wunder 28334
00:24	munin	chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 9.6ï¿½C (7:18 PM EST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -2.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 10.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Falling).
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01:13	chris	owen++
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02:10	chris_n2	owen++
02:55	chris	git log --decorate --graph --oneline
03:00	chris_n2	fatal: unrecognized argument: --oneline
03:01	chris	ahh old version of git
03:01	chris_n2	git version 1.6.0.4
03:02	chris	--pretty=oneline
03:03	chris_n2	that works
03:04	chris_n2	--oneline works in git version 1.6.3.3
03:04	chris_n2	neat
03:04	chris	yeah handy
03:04	chris_n2	did you learn that at a seminar today?
03:04	chris	at a git wrangling one right now
03:05	chris	by scott chacon (who is a guru)
03:05	chris_n2	cool
03:05	chris	talking about rebasing now
03:06	chris	and affirming that koha does it the right way
03:06	chris	so thats nice
03:06	chris	(ie we should rebase before sending patches)
03:07	chris_n2	nice to know that
03:11	chris	wow, you can do some scarily powerful stuff
03:17	* chris_n2	grips the edge of his seat with excitement :-)
03:20	chris	looking at all the different merge tools
03:21	chris	now we are talking about gitattributes
03:22	chris	how you can use it to diff binary files
03:22	chris_n2	that's one session I'd love to be at
03:22	chris	its all being recorded
03:23	chris	ill post to the devel list when it is put up somewhere
03:23	chris	its one you want to be able to pause
03:23	chris_n2	great
03:23	chris	so you can try things
03:32	chris	http://bit.ly/git-wrangling
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03:34	Jo	Hi all. Is anyone able to help me find out the date and tme of the Koha community meeting please. I know its early Feb but can't find it on koha.org and struggling a abit wuith irc logs
03:35	chris	the next one?
03:36	chris	http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes10feb02
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03:36	chris	ok, gotta go offline for a bit
03:36	Amit	hi chris
03:36	Amit	good morning #koha
03:37	Jo	hiya AMit
03:37	Amit	heya Jo
03:37	Jo	thankjs Chris
03:44	chris_n2	hey Amit
03:45		Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS \| Newsletter #1 Released: http://bit.ly/5fKZA5 \| IRC meeting: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0
03:45	Amit	heya Chris_n2
03:45	Amit	@wunder New Delhi
03:45	munin	Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 8.0ï¿½C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 8.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 7.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
03:45	chris_n2	@wunder 28334
03:45	munin	chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.6ï¿½C (10:42 PM EST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 9.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling).
03:46	chris_n2	humid in New Delhi today
03:46	chris_n2	raining maybe?
04:01	Jo	@wunder Wellington
04:01	munin	Jo: Error: No such location could be found.
04:06		Topic for #koha is now Next Community meeting 2nd Feb 2010 at 1900 UTC
04:07	Amit	@wunder Dehradun india
04:07	munin	Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 6.0ï¿½C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa.
04:07	Amit	@wunder Bangalore
04:07	munin	Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 19.0ï¿½C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0ï¿½C.
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04:35	chris_n2	g'night #koha
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06:16	Amit	heya richard
06:16	richard	hiya Amit
06:16	richard	how's things going?
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07:06	Ropuch	Morning #koha
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07:24	imp	moin
07:25	Amit	heya nicomo, Ropuch, imp
07:26	nicomo	hi Amit
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09:51	magnus	jo++ # http://library-matters.blogspo[…]-my-universe.html
10:04	chris	its a great blog post
10:04	* chris	has just got back from drinking with some git developers
10:04	chris	so may be incoherent
10:06	masonj	heya
10:06	masonj	i just got back from band-practice...
10:09	chris	cool :) you were mentioned in the blog post
10:09	masonj	hi Amit too , happy new year
10:11	paul_p	hello masonj, magnus, chris & al
10:12	masonj	hiya paul
10:12	magnus	hello paul_p et al
10:12	masonj	and magnus :)
10:12	magnus	and masonj
10:13	chris	heya paul_p
10:13	chris	paul_p: try git log --decorate --graph --oneline
10:14	magnus	nice
10:18	chris	one of the tips i learnt today
10:19	chris	more at http://bit.ly/git-wrangling
10:23	masonj	nice pdf layout and graphics
10:24	chris	yeah was a good talk, from someone who really knows there stuff
10:24	chris	their too
10:28	Amit	hi masonj happy new year to you too
10:38	hdl_laptop	happy new year Amit
10:51	chilts	yeah, gonna alias 'git tree' to 'git log --decorate --graph --pretty=oneline' (I have v1.6.0.4 unfortunately, --pretty=oneline === --oneline)
10:52	Amit	hi hdl_laptop same to u
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13:21	chris_n	g'morning
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13:24	* jwagner	makes an indistinct mumble resembling "good morning"
13:29	hdl_laptop	good morning
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13:41	oceb	morning
13:44	owen	Hi oceb
13:49	oceb	hi owen
13:51	oceb	do you know why advanced search with Date of publication, distribution (260c) isn't workin on opac?
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13:51	owen	oceb: Does it return no results, or incorrect results?
13:51	oceb	never return results =/
13:52	owen	oceb: What version of Koha?
13:52	oceb	3.0.5
13:57	owen	Are you referring to the "publication date range" option?
13:58	oceb	exactly! :D
13:59	oceb	when i put a date p.e. "1998" or "-2009" or "1997-" it doesn't return results
13:59	oceb	but without a date, it returns...
13:59	owen	I assume other searches are working okay?
13:59	oceb	yeah
14:00	owen	Maybe someone else here can verify: Does the publication date search work by looking at 008?
14:01	oceb	uhmmm
14:01	oceb	how i can do a date search on 008 ?
14:02	owen	oceb: I thought the publication date range search did search on the date in 008, but I'm hoping someone else here can tell me if that's correct
14:03	oceb	=O
14:04	oceb	I thought that search was on the field 260c
14:06	owen	260c can contain non-numeric data, so you can't ask a computer to do numeric comparisons on it without attempting to sanitize it.
14:06	owen	I thought the pub date search worked with 008 because of that.
14:08	schuster	I can't verify but from my experience with Bib dates so far depending I suspect it is coming from the biblio.copyrightdate or biblioitems, but I'm not sure
14:08	oceb	=o
14:08	oceb	omg
14:08	schuster	where that is being derived from and scrubbed to a single number. I have not compared that, but will take a look.
14:09	oceb	i think 99% of my books doesn't have a date in 008 >.<
14:09	oceb	i'll test one, im putting a date on a book and now im reindexing
14:19	oceb	omg
14:19	oceb	it works!
14:19	oceb	thanks owen :)
14:20	oceb	now i need to put all dates from 260c to 008 =(
14:22	owen	oceb: sounds like a job for a Perl guru
14:24	* owen	thinks we had to do the same thing at one point, but it wasn't me that did it
14:24	schuster	so it is pulling the date from the 008 - do you know is that how it got the information for the biblio.copyrightdate as well?
14:26	* chris_n	heads off to fix a naughty win32 box
14:26	schuster	shame on that box... ;)
14:27	schuster	Owen - I want to thank you again for your help last week.. I'm really excited about the possibilities, now I just have to do something with it!
14:27	owen	Sure thing schuster, I know you'd asked me about it before and I'm glad you pestered me about it
14:27	Ropuch	Hm, I need to fix 008 with dates from 260c too
14:28	Ropuch	This means some perl exercisies ;>
14:32	jwagner	owen, you're talking about the 008 positions 7-10 for the pubyear, correct?
14:32	owen	Yes
14:32	jwagner	Thanks. I have a site that's getting data converted by Marcive right now -- a timely reminder to send them to make sure that's getting filled in.
14:38	oceb	wow
14:38	oceb	not everithing is perl :)
14:39	oceb	here in my library we have some code written in php to modifiy both marc and marcxml
14:40	oceb	but I am learning Perl little by little with koha :D
14:49	hdl_laptop	oceb: :'(
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14:49	hdl_laptop	learning PERL with koha is a hard school
14:50	schuster	MarcEdit again might be able to help in that job... I know I've used it's find x and place it in y feature several times. Don't know how it would work on a leader/008 field.
14:51	chris_n	bye chris_n2
14:51	hdl_laptop	schuster++
14:51	schuster	Question to the list - has anyone else seen this? http://bagno.be/localcovers.html - would it still work?
14:52	oceb	hdl_laptop : yeah.... when i come here, i have no idea of what is perl :S
14:54	oceb	perl is... powerfull but... some complicated to beginners :D Php is friendly with beginners :) Anyway im happy with koha and my newbie-knowledge of perl
14:56	schuster	interesting regarding the 008 - biblios.copyrightdate comes from the 260c though in the database NOT the 008.
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14:56	schuster	I just ran a test.
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15:06	schuster	chris - just went through the git presentation - it is powerful - glad you understand it!!!
15:07	owen	That's what I like about git: I can get stuff done with it, and people smarter than me can do magic with it.
15:07	schuster	magic - kinda like owen the wizard with css ;)
15:08	schuster	I just did some further testing and biblios.copyrightdate - scrubs everything except the first set of numbers. ie 2010, [p2009] in copyrightdate shows 2010, with [p2009], 2010 shows 2009...
15:10	schuster	When searching what is displayed on the bib screen is the copyrightdate field so in the example above 2010, then 2009 not the full MARC representation.
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15:36	schuster	ok new question for the techies. I may also post it to the koha-devel list for responses. I have 53,000 pictures of students on a remote server.
15:37	schuster	I tried to scp them in, but guess what there are limitations, so I'm thinking of setting up a cron job to setup the fileshare on the windows box, and then issue a set of scp commands once a week in the middle of the night to copy them over.
15:37	schuster	then at the end of the cron would be the script I have to mass add them.
15:38	schuster	Thoughts suggestions? I'm a librarian here remember that when you respond. thanks....
15:49	wizzyrea	hm, why do you have to add all 53k of them every week?
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15:54	wizzyrea	schuster: maybe I'm not understanding your need, you have 53k photos and you can only move X with scp, so you're thinking of moving batches of them? Or you have 53k photos that you need to add every week
15:54	wizzyrea	or... something else
15:55	owen	wizzyrea: Looks like he put more details into a message to koha-devel
15:56	schuster	There are files put on a share for several departments to use of pictures of all the kids. I never know when they get put there, and the dates on the files are the dates they are taken by the photographer
15:56	schuster	hence the reason for loading ALL of them.
15:57	schuster	If there are problems with pictures the librarian lets me know and I inform the powers that be to adjust the photo names etc... to make them match correctly. We use the photos with the grade book program, and lunchline.
15:57	wizzyrea	Ah, sorry I didn't look at my list mail
15:58	schuster	sorry I was somewhat brief here in my description.
16:00	wizzyrea	it's too bad it's a windows server, you could rsync
16:03	chris_n	you can still rsync
16:03	chris_n	http://www.aboutmyip.com/About[…]App/DeltaCopy.jsp
16:03	wizzyrea	I didn't realize there was a windows version ^.^
16:04	wizzyrea	oh sweet, had no idea, thanks chris
16:04	wizzyrea	chris_n
16:04	chris_n	I use it to sync my main webradio broadcast server with the warm-standby box
16:05	chris_n	schuster: you can do a share if you use samba
16:05	wizzyrea	are you the king of shoehorning windows in to unix shoes?
16:05	chris_n	but rsync is probably the thing here
16:05	chris_n	wizzyrea: I like to see windows in a vbox frame inside of my gnome interface
16:05	wizzyrea	LOL
16:06	wizzyrea	I frankly can't stand to look at it anymore >.>
16:07	chris_n	schuster: you can setup rsync on your koha box and deltacopy on your win32 box and away you go
16:07	wizzyrea	that has other benefits too, right? Like, he might not have to do all 53k?
16:07	chris_n	rsync will only pickup on the file changes as well (if you like) which will reduce the load on the network after the initial replication
16:08	wizzyrea	yes, that's what I was thinking of
16:08	chris_n	great minds think alike they say ;-)
16:08	chris_n	or at least get stuck in the same rut
16:08	wizzyrea	haha
16:13	schuster	Thanks chris_n AGAIN! I'll look into this... I don't have control of the windows box only access to pull/copy from so will have to play with it.
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16:20	mgcleveland_	Hello, I have a questions addbiblio.pl not working
16:20	mgcleveland_	the page is blank when it's loaded via the OPAC site
16:20	* chris_n	shamelessly encourages a prospective Koha user to maintain their own installation of Koha
16:20	mgcleveland_	is that directed at me?
16:21	mgcleveland_	(chris_n)
16:21	wizzyrea_	erm, do you mean in the staff interface?
16:21	mgcleveland_	yep, the staff interface
16:21	chris_n	mgcleveland: sorry, no :-)
16:21	mgcleveland_	(thanks for the response)
16:21	mgcleveland_	haha, no worries
16:21	chris_n	but feel free to maintain your own as well :-)
16:21	mgcleveland_	haha, I'm trying!
16:22	mgcleveland_	but there's just so much perl spaghetti code!
16:22	owen	mgcleveland_: What version of Koha? Does your browser display any javascript errors?
16:22	wizzyrea_	mg do you have access to your koha error log?
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16:22	mgcleveland_	yes I have access to the logs and there is no error
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16:22	mgcleveland_	(no javascript errors either)
16:23	wizzyrea	what browser are you using?
16:23	mgcleveland_	firefox
16:23	mgcleveland_	here's the weird thing
16:23	mgcleveland_	I have other instances on different servers, and this page works on them
16:23	mgcleveland_	i've diffed the files and there is no difference in the files!
16:23	mgcleveland_	I assume there must be something wrong with my config or database, but I jsut don't know where to start looking
16:25	schuster	Permissions on the file?
16:25	mgcleveland_	i have root on everything
16:25	mgcleveland_	oh, sorry
16:25	mgcleveland_	good cal
16:25	mgcleveland_	l
16:25	mgcleveland_	let me check
16:25	mgcleveland_	only needs 755, right?
16:27	wizzyrea	it's just blank?
16:27	wizzyrea	apache errors?
16:27	mgcleveland_	I checked the apache logs, as well, but I'll do a re-check
16:28	mgcleveland_	(koha error log is blank)
16:29	mgcleveland_	apache log has no errors pertaining to my session
16:29	wizzyrea	it's got to be something obvious
16:29	mgcleveland_	that's what I'm thinking
16:29	mgcleveland_	but I can't put my finger on it
16:30	mgcleveland_	like I said, I suspect some config or DB issue
16:30	wizzyrea	do you have itypes defined?
16:30	wizzyrea	have you been through the system preferences to set up a library?
16:30	wizzyrea	2nd being more important probably
16:30	mgcleveland_	let me see
16:31	wizzyrea	(if you don't have a library, I don't think it will let you add bibs(
16:31	wizzyrea	(it definitely won't let you add patrons)
16:31	mgcleveland_	(i'm a CS/programmer guy, so when it comes to the library aspects of the system I'm a little lost, but I'll try to hang :) )
16:31	wizzyrea	we get that a lot :)
16:31	mgcleveland_	haha
16:31	mgcleveland_	so how can I see if a library exists?
16:32	wizzyrea	more -> administration -> libraries and groups
16:32	mgcleveland_	oh yes
16:32	wizzyrea	should list them
16:32	mgcleveland_	we have 7 branches listed
16:32	wizzyrea	okies, not that...
16:32	mgcleveland_	with no categories set, is this important?
16:33	wizzyrea	I'm taking it that you installed with the default data?
16:33	wizzyrea	so you should have default categories and itypes
16:33	mgcleveland_	yes I did, but we've added data since then
16:33	mgcleveland_	I really apologize but I have a meeting in 15
16:33	wizzyrea	Ah ok
16:33	wizzyrea	np np
16:33	mgcleveland_	thank you so much for your help
16:33	wizzyrea	we're ez
16:33	mgcleveland_	i'll be back in a few!
16:34	wizzyrea	ttyl :)
16:34	wizzyrea	ttyl :)
16:34	wizzyrea	eerks lol
16:34	wizzyrea	bad typing, bad
16:35	wizzyrea	so the koha.org vendor list page is worthless now, right?
16:35	wizzyrea	I mean, it lists some
16:42	schuster	Evidently from the discussion yesterday...
16:42	wizzyrea	well, here's my task
16:43	wizzyrea	I'm supposed to come up with a list of the major players in the Koha Community
16:43	wizzyrea	and their significant contributions
16:43	wizzyrea	which should be easy enough
16:44	owen	wizzyrea: chris and nicomo have both done work analyzing the git logs to identify the primary contributors
16:45	wizzyrea	yea I'm looking at it
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16:49	wizzyrea	http://stats.workbuffer.org/3.2.0.html among others
16:51	owen	wizzyrea: I know PTFS Europe has applied to appear on the list (ages ago) and more recently Mill Run Technology Solutions
16:52	owen	Who knows if others have applied and either gotten no response or gave up because the submission form is broken.
16:54	wizzyrea	yea... mason still works at katipo?
16:56	wizzyrea	chris_n who do you work for?
16:57	jwagner	gmcharlt, online?
16:57	magnus	libriotech should be listed, but i havn't bothered to apply yet...
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17:02	masonj	wizzyrea: officially, i work for KohaAloha (my own company), but i do work as a contractor to Katipo ;)
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17:02	wizzyrea	(I know, I should know this)
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17:04	chris_n	@later tell wizzyrea FBC (Foundations Bible College) and contract from time to time
17:04	munin	chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:05	masonj	@later tell wizzyrea officially, i work for KohaAloha (my own company), but i do work as a contractor to Katipo ;)
17:05	munin	masonj: The operation succeeded.
17:05	wizzyrea_	ty ty
17:05	wizzyrea_	sry, our internets went funky
17:06	chris_n	funky_internet--
17:10	gmcharlt	jwagner_meeting: ?
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17:20	oceb	hi brendan
17:21	hdl_laptop	hi gmcharlt brendan
17:21	brendan	good morning
17:22	sekjal	morning, brendan
17:22	owen	Hi brendan
17:22	brendan	must be nighttime for you hdl_laptop
17:22	hdl_laptop	only 18PM
17:23	brendan	@wunder 93117
17:23	munin	brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.3ï¿½C (9:16 AM PST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1001.6 hPa (Rising). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect until 7 am PST this morning...
17:23	paul_p	not 18PM, 6PM ;-)
17:23	brendan	yup my office flooded this morning :(
17:24	sekjal	uck, sorry brendan. anything badly damaged?
17:24	brendan	the rug, but everything else was off the ground
17:25	brendan	glad that I plan for silly things like floods, in a place that only rains for a month out of the year
17:25	sekjal	brendan: definitely
17:25	sekjal	I remember waking up at 4am to my apartment flooding. Mad dash across a squishy carpet to get my CPU off the floor
17:26	moodaepo	@wunder 56001
17:26	munin	moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -6.0ï¿½C (11:15 AM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -6.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Thursday...
17:32	chris	morning
17:32	owen	Hi chris
17:32	chris_n	heya chris
17:33	oceb	how i can put my location info? D=
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17:36	* chris	is trying to figure out what sessions to go to today
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17:49	masonj	chris: hopefully see you at/after the keynote
17:50	schuster	have a great day everyone...
17:50	schuster	@wunder 75074
17:50	munin	schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 18.6ï¿½C (11:45 AM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 16.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Falling).
17:50	schuster	I'm off to play for the afternoon!
17:51	chris	sounds good masonj
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17:51	owen	I'd do like schuster if I had his weather
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18:09	wizzyrea_	huh, http://api.jquery.com/ changed from mediawiki to wordpress for their CMS.
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18:18	jwagner	gmcharlt, still around?
18:18	gmcharlt	jwagner: what's up?
18:19	jwagner	I think I remember you saying you were going to push a bunch of patches to the current head -- has that happened?
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18:19	jwagner	One of our developers wants to get the latest head with all the patches/bugfixes.
18:20	gmcharlt	look for it over the weekend
18:20	jwagner	OK, I'll tell him. Thanks.
18:20	gmcharlt	the dev can also take a gander at the biblibre 3.2_community branch
18:24	jwagner	OK.
18:26	chris	register trademarks??????
18:27	chris	wizzyrea_: you might need to have a chat with your boss, i fear in order to move things along he is gonna start another set of worries
18:27	wizzyrea_	erm... I think that was a list of things that a foundation could (but KUDOS won't, necessarily)
18:27	wizzyrea_	do
18:28	wizzyrea_	don't read too much into it
18:28	wizzyrea_	he's in agreement
18:28	wizzyrea_	more along the lines of "get a move on and get it done"
18:29	chris	ppl need to be more careful with words is all im saying
18:29	wizzyrea_	KUDOS doesn't have any interest that I know of to register any trademarks regarding koha
18:30	sekjal	we have never mentioned trademarks at all in any of the discussions I've been in on
18:30	wizzyrea_	he's an administrator, he is simply referring to the things a foundation can do
18:30	wizzyrea_	and in order to do them, you must have the foundation
18:30	chris	cool, now anyone who reads the irc logs knows that, but anyone who reads the mailing list could be confused into thinking KUDOS is the foundation
18:31	sekjal	that's easy enough to fix... one sec
18:31	chris	thanks sekjal
18:31	chris	its always easier to stop arguments before they start :)
18:32	wizzyrea_	rather, a non profit 501c3 agency
18:33	Ropuch	Evening #koha
18:33	chris	hiya Ropuch
18:35	sekjal	email sent. time for a meeting. bbl
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18:36	chris	sekjal+++
18:36	chris	sekjal++
18:36	chris	even
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18:50	chris	ok bus time
18:51	wizzyrea_	gl with the bus
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19:00	* chris_n	takes a deep breath and presses the 'send' button
19:01	chris_n	perhaps /me should have read the buffer first :-)
19:03	wizzyrea_	heh
19:04	wizzyrea_	jim's grown, he can take it, though I'm sure that he didn't actually mean it in the way it's being read
19:04	* chris_n	has had that happen before too
19:05	wizzyrea_	he said the magic word "trademark"
19:05	wizzyrea_	and "foundation"
19:05	* wizzyrea_	shudders
19:05	chris_n	the community is a bit sensitive atm
19:05	wizzyrea_	heh, yea
19:07	wizzyrea_	and by "sure" I know that he knows about the HLT/Official Foundation situation, more importantly comprehends the importance of that effort, and even more importantly respects that there is a need for it
19:07	wizzyrea_	and you all don't know this, but he's set up several non profit foundations in his career
19:08	wizzyrea_	*helped to set up
19:08	wizzyrea_	yea, he's my boss, but he's not a nub.
19:09	wizzyrea_	he is, and we are, committed to the principles of free software, and we have every interest in seeing Koha succeed.
19:09	wizzyrea_	there. I'm done.
19:09	wizzyrea_	:)
19:10	* chris_n	applauds
19:35	* jwagner	thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)
19:35	gmcharlt	jwagner++
19:36	wizzyrea_	owen: what do you think about the following screenshot, how can we make this display better
19:36	wizzyrea_	http://screencast.com/t/M2RlNTY0
19:36	jwagner	That just made my afternoon!
19:37	wizzyrea_	the items display is what I'm referring to
19:37	wizzyrea_	on bibs that have lots of items, the results list is very... icky
19:37	owen	To say the least
19:37	wizzyrea_	or maybe that's fixed in more recent versions
19:37	owen	Not that I know of
19:37	jwagner	I'm not owen, but I think it would be better if the items list was just another line after the bib display instead of in a separate column. That would give it a much wider table cell to run across.
19:38	chris_n	@quote add jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)
19:38	munin	chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #51 added.
19:38	wizzyrea_	well, it shows several things that it may not need to
19:38	jwagner	chris_n, you had to do that, didn't you :-(
19:38	wizzyrea_	why does it show the call number for checked out items, for example
19:38	wizzyrea_	it's out, you're not going to find it
19:39	owen	...not that that buys you much space
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19:39	richard	hi
19:40	wizzyrea_	true, but what if you 1. used the library short name instead of full name, 2. removed the call number 3. changed date due: to Due only for on loan items
19:40	jwagner	wizzyrea, this is staff side, correct? Is there any value to even showing the call numbers at this stage? Maybe just a Library A (7 copies), Library B (2 copies) etc.
19:41	wizzyrea_	well I was wondering about that too
19:41	wizzyrea_	I think that for AVAILABLE items it doesn't hurt to show a lot of info
19:41	wizzyrea_	but for checked out or lost items... just as well to go to the bib detail
19:41	wizzyrea_	to find out the dilly
19:41	wizzyrea_	yes, thsi is the staff side
19:42	wizzyrea_	oh and you've got shelving location in there too
19:42	wizzyrea_	so axe that
19:42	wizzyrea_	so, as an example
19:42	wizzyrea_	on loan: Baldwin, Due 01/28/2010
19:43	wizzyrea_	Basehor, Due XXX
19:43	wizzyrea_	etc
19:43	wizzyrea_	1-2 lines instead of 6
19:44	wizzyrea_	i'm more just curious if anyone else has an opinion on how it can be made better
19:44	wizzyrea_	I know it's not a priority
19:44	wizzyrea_	i'm willing to try to fix it myself, but don't want to do anything that would make people upset
19:44	wizzyrea_	fix/change
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19:45	owen	Needs a wider discussion
19:46	mgcleveland_	wizzyrea_ you still there?
19:46	wizzyrea	yep
19:46	mgcleveland_	ok I'm back
19:46	mgcleveland_	do you remember what we were talking about?
19:46	wizzyrea	there are more people around now, you might go over your issue
19:46	wizzyrea	again
19:46	wizzyrea	for their benefit
19:46	wizzyrea	but yes, I remember :)
19:46	mgcleveland_	will do
19:47	mgcleveland_	In a nutshell, my addbiblio.pl page is not working
19:47	mgcleveland_	it works on other instances of Koha I have and the files, when diffed, are identical
19:47	mgcleveland_	this leads me to believe it's a config or DB problem
19:48	* jwagner	thinks "Curses, foiled again!" Others at the site called me to pick up the telecon!
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19:52	mgcleveland_	sooooooooo
19:52	mgcleveland_	any ideas?
19:52	wizzyrea	we know that you have libraries, and you're sure you have item types
19:52	mgcleveland_	right, we've got branches
19:53	mgcleveland_	as for the item types, let me check
19:57	mgcleveland_	well as I said, I'm a computer person
19:57	mgcleveland_	hence the lag on figuring out the library stuff
19:59	mgcleveland_	wizzyrea, could I find that by exploring the mysql DB?
20:00	wizzyrea	more -> administration -> Item Types
20:00	mgcleveland_	I == idiot
20:00	wizzyrea	mine looks like this, for example
20:00	wizzyrea	http://screencast.com/t/ZWE1YmVkN
20:00	mgcleveland_	yep, we've got 3
20:01	wizzyrea	okies
20:01	mgcleveland_	so we've got branches and item types
20:01	wizzyrea	and you've got nothing in your koha error log and nothing in your apache log, and addbiblio.pl won't come up
20:01	mgcleveland_	correct
20:01	mgcleveland_	you want to see a screenshot of addbiblio?
20:02	wizzyrea	how are you getting to it, more -> cataloging -> new record?
20:02	mgcleveland_	I click on the "Add MARC" link
20:02	mgcleveland_	it's under "Cataloging"
20:03	wizzyrea	ok, if you do more -> cataloging -> new record what happens?
20:03	wizzyrea	this is what mine looks like: http://screencast.com/t/ODVlMzg1Z
20:03	mgcleveland_	same thing happens
20:03	mgcleveland_	also, I think we may be using different versions of Koha
20:04	mgcleveland_	let me see what mine is right quick
20:04	wizzyrea	seems likely, in which case I probably can't help you
20:04	wizzyrea	if you do more -> about koha what does it say in koha version
20:06	wizzyrea	I'm wondering if you don't have frameworks (though this may not be germane if you are not using 3.0 at least)
20:06	wizzyrea	http://screencast.com/t/ODVlMzg1Z
20:06	wizzyrea	because when you click the button, you should see frameworks
20:06	mgcleveland_	I have frameworks (I'm pretty sure)
20:07	mgcleveland_	when I go to biblio framework, I have default populated
20:07	wizzyrea	I"m curious, can you add members/patrons?
20:08	wizzyrea	to this install?
20:08	mgcleveland_	trying...
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20:08	wizzyrea	hi paul
20:09	jwagner	paul_p, what are you doing online this late? (Not that it's not good to see you, but....)
20:10	mgcleveland_	wizzyrea, I can add patrons
20:10	paul_p	hi jwagner. Just updating some personal pictures & docs, and auto-logged on irc ;-)
20:10	wizzyrea	then it's not something to do with javascript, probably
20:10	mgcleveland_	yeah I didn't think it was
20:10	mgcleveland_	no browser complaints, anyway
20:11	wizzyrea	what version were you running?
20:11	mgcleveland_	well I can't figure that damn thing out!
20:11	mgcleveland_	I think it's 2.2.9
20:11	wizzyrea	Ah
20:11	wizzyrea	yea, I can't help you sorry lol I only know 3
20:11	mgcleveland_	balls!
20:11	wizzyrea	hahaha
20:12	wizzyrea	curious why you'd want to run 2.2.9 though
20:12	mgcleveland_	this is driving me crazy!
20:12	mgcleveland_	Not sure why we're on the older version
20:12	mgcleveland_	I have an instance of 3 running
20:12	mgcleveland_	but this is our production instance that has the problem
20:12	* wizzyrea	sings "it's much beeeettter"
20:12	jwagner	paul_p, OK, you're forgiven :-)
20:12	mgcleveland_	I know!
20:12	mgcleveland_	I know it's better!
20:12	wizzyrea	:)
20:12	mgcleveland_	maybe we didn't want to risk the problems that always come with migration
20:13	wizzyrea	yes, librarians like to hold on to that one
20:13	wizzyrea	sorry I've never run 2.2.9
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20:13	wizzyrea	well, that's not true exactly
20:14	mgcleveland_	also, we're serving ours in Persian
20:14	wizzyrea	but I've never run it seriously
20:14	mgcleveland_	and there is no translation for 3.0
20:14	mgcleveland_	(i think)
20:14	wizzyrea	Ahh, well that would do it too
20:14	mgcleveland_	yeah
20:14	mgcleveland_	balls again!
20:15	mgcleveland_	so is 2.2.9 not supported any more?
20:15	wizzyrea	you could always get someone to do a translation, or help get one started
20:15	mgcleveland_	we actually are working on it
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20:15	wizzyrea	Yay!
20:15	mgcleveland_	I think my boss is dealing with that aspect of the project
20:15	mgcleveland_	yeah
20:16	wizzyrea	it is, but there are a lot more people using 3.0.x than 2.2.9
20:16	mgcleveland_	shoot
20:16	mgcleveland_	well I can start migrating the data to our sandbox 3.0.x instance and see how that goes
20:19	chris	back
20:20	chris	and in the keynote .. by glynn moody ... its awesome so far
20:20	mgcleveland_	chris
20:20	mgcleveland_	do you know much about 2.2.x?
20:20	wizzyrea	(yea, if anybody were to know about it, it would likely be chris)
20:20	mgcleveland_	woo hoo!
20:20	chris	cant really talk at the moment, busy listening
20:20	mgcleveland_	oh ok
20:20	chris	i do know you shouldnt use it
20:20	chris	:)
20:20	mgcleveland_	i know i know!
20:21	mgcleveland_	let me know when you have a minute, I have a weird situation
20:21	chris	unfortunately im at a conference all day, and all tomorrow
20:21	chris	so drop me an email
20:21	chris	chrisbigballofwax.co.nz
20:21	mgcleveland_	ok, yeah that would be great
20:21	mgcleveland_	thanks!
20:22	* chris_n	designs a cool looking new search box for his opac header and tries desperately to get the css to behave :-P
20:23	* wizzyrea	smacks chris_n's CSS into submission. Get! In! Your! Place!
20:23	owen	If only smacking it helped.
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20:23	chris	http://www.lca2010.org.nz/prog[…]chedule/video/mfc
20:24	jwagner	owen, it depends on the size of the baseball bat (or other implement) you use to DO the smacking :-)
20:24	chris	if anyone wants to listen to glynn explain why sharing is so important
20:24	wizzyrea	me me oh me
20:29	chris_n	owen: what are the 'translControl' div's ?
20:30	chris_n	wizzyrea: that must have worked, 'cause it just dropped into place ;-)
20:31	chris	jim kent, saved us from the human genes being patented ... free software ftw
20:31	wizzyrea	my coworkers claim I have an aura...
20:31	wizzyrea	I didn't know it worked over the internet too.
20:32	wizzyrea	an aura that makes computers behave in my presence, that is.
20:32	wizzyrea	I don't believe it but eh
20:32	owen	chris_n: I'm not exactly sure what they do, but they're related to googleindictransliteration.js
20:33	chris	thats freaking awesome, GNU/Linux saved (most) of the human genome from gene patents
20:33	mgcleveland_	hey wizzy
20:33	wizzyrea	yes?
20:33	mgcleveland_	would addbiblio.pl be the same code in 3.0.x and 2.2.x?
20:33	wizzyrea	i'm guessing no
20:33	mgcleveland_	hmmm
20:33	mgcleveland_	that's weird
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20:33	mgcleveland_	because I think my working instance is 3.0.x
20:34	wizzyrea	hard to say without knowing for sure
20:34	mgcleveland_	yeah it is
20:34	mgcleveland_	and I diffed that with my production instance and they were the same
20:34	mgcleveland_	aaahh!
20:34	mgcleveland_	(no revelation)
20:35	* chris_n	thinks his genes are copyrighted in any case ;-)
20:35	wizzyrea	maybe the revelation is that addbiblio.pl needs to be reverted to a 2.2.9 version
20:35	mgcleveland_	hahaha
20:35	chris_n	what she said
20:35	chris_n	I find it highly unlikely that the two would be the same
20:36	mgcleveland_	I'm sure I have the addbiblio.pl of the correct instance
20:36	mgcleveland_	i just don't know which version the production instance is!~
20:36	mgcleveland_	and I can't find it anywhere!
20:36	wizzyrea	well... you have a weird problem, and an even wierder code congruency on possibly completely different versions
20:37	wizzyrea	that's just a recipe for wierdness if I've ever heard one
20:37	mgcleveland_	hahaha
20:37	mgcleveland_	is there anywhere in the source code/DB where I can see which version I have?
20:37	* wizzyrea	does not know 2.2.9
20:37	mgcleveland_	btw, we also have a weird theme, so everything is hard to find
20:37	mgcleveland_	what about in 3.0.x?
20:37	wizzyrea	mg, which library do you work for?
20:38	mgcleveland_	I'm suspicious that we actually are running 3.0.x
20:38	mgcleveland_	University of Arizona
20:38	mgcleveland_	I'm a student
20:38	mgcleveland_	:)
20:38	chris_n	mgcleveland: you can try opening your production addbiblio.pl in a text editor and see if the version is noted there
20:38	wizzyrea	O.o Ah
20:38	mgcleveland_	I have root access to the code
20:38	mgcleveland_	i'll just check the code directly
20:38	chris	go to the about.pl page
20:38	chris	http://your.staff.interface/cgi-bin/koha/about.pl
20:38	mgcleveland_	chris!
20:38	mgcleveland_	nice!
20:38	* chris_n	jumps back into the CSS pool for more fun
20:39	chris	and/or look in the db
20:39	mgcleveland_	it is 2.2.9
20:39	mgcleveland_	I think our theme has no link to about.pl
20:39	mgcleveland_	>(
20:39	chris	systempreferences table has a version number (if its 3.0.0 or later)
20:39	wizzyrea	aside, I didn't realize uni of ariz. was doing much with koha
20:39	mgcleveland_	it's a special project
20:39	mgcleveland_	I'm not working on the library's main site
20:40	mgcleveland_	it's a grant we've been working on for a few years
20:40	mgcleveland_	partnering with Kabul University in Afghanistan
20:40	chris	what you should do
20:40	chris	is get someone working on translate.koha.org
20:40	mgcleveland_	we do have them doing that
20:40	mgcleveland_	at least we started on it
20:41	wizzyrea	and move it to 3.0 (or 3.2, which is relatively imminent)
20:41	mgcleveland_	we're a little overwhelmed with work and fulfilling the grant expectations
20:41	chris	yeah
20:41	mgcleveland_	agreed
20:41	chris	http://translate.koha.org/fa/ hasnt changed in a while
20:41	mgcleveland_	not farsi
20:41	mgcleveland_	persian
20:41	mgcleveland_	or is it listed as farsi?
20:41	mgcleveland_	I can't remember
20:41	mgcleveland_	I don't do the farsi stuff
20:42	mgcleveland_	my boss and some coworkers do that
20:42	chris	that is persian
20:42	mgcleveland_	my favorite languages are C, C++, etc...
20:42	mgcleveland_	:)
20:43	chris	i think its a bit late now, but i suspect this a good example of why getting involved in the community early vs later is a good idea
20:43	mgcleveland_	yeah
20:43	wizzyrea	yes, definitely, a very good example
20:43	mgcleveland_	well this was working for a long time
20:43	chris	nod
20:43	mgcleveland_	and suddenly isn't
20:43	wizzyrea	... what changed?
20:44	mgcleveland_	I'm not sure
20:44	chris	and if it had been committed back (the translation etc) then 3.0 would have it
20:44	mgcleveland_	I wish i knew!
20:44	mgcleveland_	oh you're talking about the translation
20:44	chris	and any code mods
20:44	mgcleveland_	is that the project that uses pootle?
20:44	chris	silos = bad
20:45	chris	mgcleveland_: yeah we use pootle for translating koha
20:45	* chris	is currently translation manager
20:45	mgcleveland_	gotcha, yeah like I said I'm not involved with the translation part
20:45	mgcleveland_	maybe you've spoken with my boss then, I know he contacted someone about it
20:45	mgcleveland_	Yan Han is his name
20:46	wizzyrea	do a lot of people have superlibrarian access? or access to the system?
20:46	owen	Proof that silos are bad: http://www.theconcentrium.com/[…]ns/Silo/00cap.jpg
20:46	mgcleveland_	nope
20:46	mgcleveland_	^^wizzyrea
20:46	chris	ah yeah, i have talked with him
20:46	mgcleveland_	haha, cool!
20:46	mgcleveland_	small world
20:46	wizzyrea	there aren't many people in the koha world that chris hasn't talked to lol
20:46	mgcleveland_	haha, a celebrity!
20:47	mgcleveland_	ok guys, well I appreciate your help
20:47	mgcleveland_	I may be back tomorrow
20:47	wizzyrea	well, i encourage you to think about what has changed
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20:47	wizzyrea	have a beer, relax your mind, the answer will come
20:47	mgcleveland_	wizzyrea: agreed
20:47	mgcleveland_	haha
20:47	wizzyrea	:)
20:48	mgcleveland_	it's only 1:45pm!
20:48	mgcleveland_	3.75 hours to go!
20:48	mgcleveland_	haha
20:48	mgcleveland_	adios!
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20:49	CGI487	hi everybody
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20:49	CGI487	I am trying to make zebra run as a daemon on suse linux but still can't
20:50	CGI487	anyone here install koha 3.0.5 on suse linux ?
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20:53	owen	Do the CGI* people have no patience, or are they more prone to flaky connections?
20:54	chris	both
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21:11	chris_n	here's a screenshot of some of the opac customizations I've been working on for the library here
21:11	chris_n	http://www.screencast.com/t/ZjU0OGRiNz
21:12	wizzyrea	oh that's beautiful chris_n
21:12	owen	Very nice
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21:13	chris_n	tnx
21:13	chris_n	and especially to owen's blogs and the npl website (which I have combed through with firebug to pickup tips)
21:14	owen	I wonder if PTFS will continue "Koha Express?"
21:14	owen	On the one hand, it seems to fill a need for small libraries who don't want to invest too much
21:14	wizzyrea	I hope they at least give it a different name
21:14	owen	On the other hand, PTFS doesn't have to compete in the same way LibLime [felt they] did
21:15	wizzyrea	always makes me think of coffee
21:16	sekjal	I'm still keen to get a turnkeylinux application of Koha going on. Download, slap on some (virtual) machine somewhere, and play
21:16	sekjal	I think the difficulty is in the details with that, though
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21:20	wizzyrea	yes, I like that idea too sekjal
21:21	wizzyrea	or launch that puppy to the cloud
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21:22	wizzyrea	they have super funky music on the webcast from linux conf AU
21:22	wizzyrea	I dig
21:24	chris_n	looks like owen 's running a patch mill today :-)
21:26	wizzyrea	owen++
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21:29	hdl_laptop	gmcharlt: I wonder whether Kyle patches for patroncards and rotating collections should get into Community.
21:29	hdl_laptop	It was sent on patches.
21:29	hdl_laptop	And was welcome.
21:29	gmcharlt	hdl_laptop: I agree, it should
21:29	hdl_laptop	ok.
21:29	hdl_laptop	it looks smooth enough to enter.
21:30	chris_n	bbl
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21:45	masonj	.
21:45	BobB	Hi Mason, you there?
21:45	masonj	yes i am :)
21:48	masonj	BobB: moo
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21:51	masonj	chris: moof
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22:04	chris	bug3000
22:04	chris	bug 3000
22:04	munin	Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3000 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Tool needed for catalogers (and other librarians) to bulk change itypes and collection codes
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22:34	wizzyrea	ok, that makes me feel happy and like squeeing
22:35	wizzyrea	that's a very good feature
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22:59	* chris_n2	wonders which feature
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23:27	brendan	cya later #koha
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23:44	Nate	goodnight #koha
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23:49	moodaepo	@wunder 56001
23:49	munin	moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -2.0ï¿½C (5:35 PM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -6.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -8.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
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