IRC log for #koha, 2010-01-18

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00:25 chris yep he does now :)
00:29 russ chris: when is your talk?
00:31 chris tomorrow
00:31 chris 1.30pm
00:31 russ right
00:31 chris should be live streamed
00:31 * russ just found the miniconf programmes
00:31 chris nice
00:31 chris i think im just going with 1 slide
00:31 chris 15 mins .... you dont need slides
00:33 russ yeah nice
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01:42 chris hiya brendan
01:43 brendan hey chris
01:43 brendan how you doing?
01:43 * chris is in a talk about accessibility and FOSS
01:43 brendan was your linux conf..  good?
01:43 chris just started today, finishes on friday
01:43 brendan ahh I see you're there now
01:44 brendan one more day at ALA then back home for me
01:44 chris ah cool, hows it going?
01:44 brendan tired of standing :)
01:44 brendan some good things some not so good
01:44 chris yeah, i hear that, that's always the worst part of exhibiting
01:44 chris yeah, ive been hearing that too :(
01:44 brendan PTFS koha party going on right now...  so good for koha spreading
01:44 chris cool
01:44 brendan hopefully
01:45 * brendan too tired to crash
01:45 brendan err...  to tired going to crash
01:45 chris fair enough :)
02:54 brendan @wunder 93117
02:54 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.1�C (6:48 PM PST on January 17, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect from Monday morning through late Monday night for the recent burn areas...
02:54 brendan @wunder 02140
02:54 munin brendan: The current temperature in Emerson St. Across from Police Station, Medford, Massachusetts is 3.4�C (9:52 PM EST on January 17, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 10 am EST Monday...
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03:36 Amit heya brendan, chris
03:36 Amit good morning #koha
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03:50 pongtawat Hello #koha
03:50 pongtawat May I ask about translation here?
03:53 russ sure, but some eyes are not watching at the moment :-)
03:53 russ so we can try, but may direct you to the translate list
03:54 pongtawat Ok
03:54 richard you might be better to ask on the translation mailing list -
03:54 pongtawat My team has translate Koha into Thai language
03:54 pongtawat But we have to it offline, translating the PO file.
03:55 pongtawat Now I would like to submit that to Koha
03:55 russ right
03:55 russ have you seen -
03:55 pongtawat The point is, we were translating 3.0.1, and now it is 3.0.5
03:56 pongtawat I'm looking at that and wondering how could we submit our translation
03:56 russ if my memory serves me, you should just upload it
03:56 russ most of it will be the same
03:56 russ i think it will attempt a merge
03:56 * russ checks
03:57 pongtawat So, we will try
03:57 pongtawat Thank you :)
03:57 russ yeah just choose 3.0.X and upload your file
03:57 russ thanks for the translation :-)
04:04 pongtawat Is the translation history logged?
04:07 pongtawat If I remember correctly, our team have done OPAC translation online.
04:08 pongtawat But the current translation seems to be a little bit different in many places.
04:11 pongtawat So, I would like to know if it our translation edited by someone, or it is somebody else translation entirely
04:14 russ ah you should be able to see something under the news tab
04:14 russ for that "project"
04:15 russ sorry - not sure on that front
04:16 russ pongtawat: did you try uploading your po file?
04:17 pongtawat not yet
04:17 pongtawat I just fear I will mess it up :P
04:17 pongtawat So, I just check the diff first
04:19 russ right - i wouldnt worry about it too much
04:19 russ if you check Merge the file with the current file and turn conflicts into suggestions
04:19 russ then it would be pretty easy to see them all
04:20 russ anyway - hometime
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04:21 russ pongtawat: if you have any concerns, put them in an email to the translate list :-)
04:21 russ i am sure someone will get back to you
04:22 pongtawat Ok, thank you. I will try to merge it as suggest. And we will review them again.
04:22 pongtawat Thank you.
04:23 pongtawat BTW, the one who will be handling translation is neelawat, in case you need to track it :)
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05:48 greenmang0 indradg: good morning :)
05:48 indradg greenmang0, morning! :)
06:33 Amit heya indradg
06:33 indradg Amit, hola
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06:58 Amit heya nicomo
06:58 nicomo hello Amit
07:11 Ropuch Morning #koha
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07:23 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai
07:23 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (12:10 PM IST on January 18, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
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08:04 indradg @wunder kolkata
08:04 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 16.0�C (1:20 PM IST on January 18, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
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08:10 paul_p hello world.
08:11 * paul_p not very optimistic after reading tweets from vickyteal about LLEK/PTFS
08:12 chris ill settle for being able to edit the website short term, i dont mind giving them time to sort out the rest, and if they want to run LLEK as LLEK .. thats fine, just give the community rights on the website, and don't call it opensource until you release it
08:13 paul_p chris++ starting with access to is a VERY good idea !
08:14 paul_p easy to do, (almost) nothing related to business & business model, probably the best way to show their good behaviour (or not)
08:16 chris exactly
08:16 chris and then they can take time to sort out their business plan
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09:18 nahuel chilts,
09:18 nahuel chris,
09:18 nahuel hi
09:18 nahuel are you around ,
09:18 nahuel ?
09:20 Amit heya nahuel
09:20 nahuel hi Amit
09:20 nahuel gmcharlt, around ?
09:21 chris hi nahuel
09:49 slef hrm, why are nz conferences on so damn early ;-)
09:51 chris slef:
09:53 slef chris: jberkus is or was one of board@spi-inc
09:54 chris he was a pretty good speaker, the talk was funny
09:54 Amit hi self
09:54 Amit hi slef
09:54 slef hi all
09:55 * slef boggles at "Shipping Method: Bicycle" on his order for a bicycle
09:59 chris heh
10:01 chris right i should get some sleep, doesnt look good to fall asleep while presenting
10:01 chris night all
10:02 slef heh
10:02 slef night
10:14 nahuel chris, do you know how to use git request-pull ?
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10:21 CGI695 5 January 2010 09:00:08 Action: Message Accepted Client: From:
10:21 CGI695
10:21 CGI695 To: Subject: Cron <root@MOODLEKOHA> /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -b -a -z -v 2> /usr/share/koha/Rebuild.out Size: 1719
10:21 CGI695 Can anyone help out with an email loop problem we are having? We had to shut down the smtp service on koha because of mails coming from here:
10:21 CGI695 5 January 2010 09:00:08 Action: Message Accepted Client: From:
10:21 CGI695
10:21 CGI695 To: Subject: Cron <root@MOODLEKOHA> /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -b -a -z -v 2> /usr/share/koha/Rebuild.out Size: 1719
10:22 CGI695 Sorry about the multi-posts, not sure how that happened
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10:34 slef CGI695: which smtp service software?
10:35 CGI695 The mail service on the Koha box. It sends out emails from the address above to a local server (relay) but the source and destination are the same and the SMTP server goes into a loop and eventually crashes
10:36 slef CGI695: yes, but what is the SMTP server software?  I think you need to fix that mail loop problem, else regardless of what you do to Koha, you've a way for someone to denial-of-service attack your email server.
10:37 slef CGI695: on the cron site, adding MAILTO=whatever@some.domain to the koha crontab will change where it is sending the report.
10:37 slef CGI695: cron side, even
10:38 slef put MAILTO=whatever@some.domain (replacing whatever@some.domain) on the line before the rebuild_zebra cron line
10:38 slef check "man 5 crontab" for details I think
10:38 CGI695 It's an exchange server. But the problem is that the ex server doesn't know where to send the mail to and tries to reply to the sender but it can't get back to the sender. I think, I need to modify the source addresses
10:38 slef what is the smtp server software on the Koha server?
10:39 slef If it is a debian server, /etc/email-addresses may let you set a different source address for root
10:39 slef but really having an exchange server doing SMTP is not good IMO.
10:40 CGI695 yeah, it debian alright. The problem seems to be a huge amount of emails are being generated from the Koha server though. The Exchange Server is the clients, I can't change that, I'm afraid, more is the pitty!
10:41 slef a huge amount of emails is either something breaking messily or something not quite tuned to succeed silently.
10:42 CGI695 OK. Any ideas where I might start to find out which?
10:42 slef I'd start by reading the emails, so modify the source address for root in /etc/email-addresses
10:43 CGI695 But I can't see the emails as the are not being delivered, they are looping
10:43 slef alternatively, run the cron jobs from the commandline, but there may be environment differences which will hide the reason
10:43 CGI695 Oh wait, I see what you mean now
10:43 slef well, get the emails delivered somehow
10:44 slef even if it means reconfiguring the debian server not to relay for a while
10:44 slef so that you could read the emails with the "mailx" command-line client
10:44 slef (man mailx first if you've never used it before!0
10:44 slef )
10:44 CGI695 Thanks, I will see how that goes!
10:44 slef I've got to pop our for a moment - hopefully someone else can take it up if needed
10:44 slef no worries
10:45 * slef returns to writing
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11:25 kf hi #koha
11:31 Amit hi kf
11:32 kf hi Amit
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11:42 greenmang0 hello friends.. can anybody tell me how to enable RSS in koha?
11:42 greenmang0 i used to generate an xml file
11:42 greenmang0 it works fine
11:42 greenmang0 but in opac when i click on RSS Orange icon
11:42 greenmang0 i get xml parsing error
11:42 greenmang0 what to do??
11:46 kf I think the opac rss feature works without a cronjob or script
11:46 kf which version are u using?
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11:47 greenmang0 kf: Koha version:
11:48 kf I just tested in our installation, it works there -  we are on
11:48 greenmang0 kf: oh!!
11:48 greenmang0 ok
11:48 kf I dont know if there was a bug
11:49 kf perhaps you can try an update to 3.00.05
11:49 * greenmang0 is still in 2009
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11:49 greenmang0 kf: sure
11:50 chipsy hi guys, i'm having this error while trying to catalogue
11:50 chipsy Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/ line 92. at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.1​0.0/i586-linux-thread-multi/XML/LibXML/ line 80  at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/ line 445
11:53 kf chipsy: which version are u using?
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11:54 CGI695 My koha-error log is riddled with the following: Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 1001. Should we be worried?
11:54 chipsy 3.0001005
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11:59 chipsy that is the version
12:01 kf[…]ember/020440.html
12:01 kf I googled a bit with the beginning of the error message, there are some threads and mails
12:02 kf first thing I would try is an update to current stable 3.00.05
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12:47 slef collum: hi. Hope you didn't mind me grumbling at calling a flash app a webinar.
12:56 collum slef: no problem. I was using webinar of the sense of "seminar on the internet"
12:57 collum It was extremely boring.  I didn't make it through it.
12:57 slef that's confusing... webinar should mean a web seminar
12:57 collum Yep.
12:57 collum I didn't realize it was flash until I clicked the link.
12:57 slef the flash app fraudsters annoy me, mostly because they usually only work correctly on microsoft windows
12:58 slef sorry to hear it was boring... a hard-to-use usability seminar? ouch
12:59 collum It's hard to keep interest in something, when you can do 5 other things.
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13:03 slef I once saw a lovely comment about an online test for ADHD: "I didn't finish the test because I started clicking on the adverts on the page"
13:03 collum lol
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13:38 brendan morning #koha
13:43 slef hi brendan - when did ByWater start?
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13:52 chris_n g'morning #koha
13:54 slef hi chris_n, bye brendan :-/
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14:38 nengard_ slef bywater listed as official support for Koha in 2009
14:47 chris_n heya nengard_
14:47 nengard_ hiya
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14:52 chris_n wb brendan
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14:53 ccurry Hello, all.
14:54 ccurry I'm having a few issues with the serials module that I think are bugs, but before I submit them I wanted to ask a few questions.  One issue I'm having might be a configuration problem and I want to rule that out.
15:00 ccurry We're entering serial issues as subscriptions.  In, Issue and Volume information from serial.serialseq displays correctly in the "Subscriptions" tab, but under the "Holdings" tab, the "Serial Data" field, which is also populated by serial.serialseq, is empty.  The only difference between this two section of the tmpl are that the latter is wrapped in <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="serials"...
15:00 ccurry ...--> <!-- /TMPL_IF -->.
15:00 ccurry Anyone have an idea what could be causing this?
15:00 ccurry I tried removing the <!-- TMPL_IF><!-- /TMPL_IF --> with no change in display.
15:01 ccurry I know the condition is registering as true, anyway, because the columns are showing up and their presence is also conditional, depending on TMPL_IF NAME="serials" being true.
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16:20 nengard_ so - seems like everyone is on vaca for the US holiday or at ALA midwinter ... very very quiet in here
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16:43 paul_p hi nengard_ : frenchies still here ;-)
16:43 nengard_ :) hi paul_p
16:43 * toins too
16:44 toins hi paul_p and nengard_
16:45 kf me too, preparing koha presentation for tomorrow
16:45 kf some hints for big public library systems with many branches?
16:45 nengard_ awesome
16:52 * chris_n is here too
16:52 chris_n hdl_laptop about?
16:53 chris_n paul_p: did hdl do the CAS work?
16:54 paul_p hi chris_n. Nope, it's matts
16:54 paul_p (not here)
16:54 chris_n ahh
16:54 paul_p chris_n: if you want to drop him a mail : matthias.meusburger at biblibre com
16:54 chris_n tnx
16:55 chris_n logging out of opac results in some sort of CAS redirect which throws an error
16:55 chris_n while running over the current HEAD
16:57 * chris_n discovers the problem
16:57 chris_n casAuthentication and casLogout are enabled by default
16:58 paul_p chris_n: mmm... we were supposed to do a patch for this one. where does your head come from ?
16:58 chris_n
16:58 chris_n probably not there yet
16:58 paul_p maybe the patch is not here :(
16:59 chris_n that's ok, I'll get it when galen gets the merge done
16:59 paul_p yep, hopefully !
16:59 chris_n tnx paul
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17:25 kf ok, time to leave - bye #koha!
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17:32 nengard_ chris_n paul_p it's in the biblibre community branch
17:32 nengard_ the fix is that is
17:32 nengard_ so it has been patched
17:32 nengard_ just not pushed to head
17:33 chris_n great
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18:19 chris yay for thomas krichel
18:19 chris given me some great talking points for today
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18:29 chris_n hey chris
18:29 chris_n is your talk streaming?
18:32 chris should be
18:32 chris its only a short one, so im not doing slides, its at 1.30 nz time
18:33 chris which is in 6 hours
18:33 chris[…]/schedule/tuesday
18:34 chris live video links should appear there in an hour or so
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18:36 brendan @later tell slef ByWater started in Jan. of 2009
18:36 munin brendan: The operation succeeded.
18:37 chris[…]me/schedule/video
18:37 brendan hey chris
18:37 paul_p hi brendan
18:37 brendan hi paul_p
18:37 chris im in renouf 2
18:37 paul_p (& good bye, family time for me ;-) )
18:37 brendan bye
18:37 chris by paul_p
18:37 chris bye even
18:37 brendan ok chris looking for you in renouf 2
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18:38 chris well i will be, im at home at the moment :)
18:39 chris at 10.35 (3 hours)
18:39 brendan ah..  looks dark at the moment
18:39 brendan cool I'll look
18:39 chris mark osborne is talking about the open source school (There is a senior high school in auckland that runs everything FLOSS )
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18:40 chris they run koha, so im sure he will mention that
18:40 brendan that sounds like so much fun
18:40 chris so cost effective too
18:41 chris brb
18:49 chris ok time to catch my bus
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19:54 magnus i'm trying to make two dev-installs live on the same (virtual) box - first one works like a charm, the second one refuses to give me any hits when i search the opac but i do get hits in the intranet. anyone have any experience with this?
19:54 magnus i'm on a recent install from git, running zebra
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20:28 richard hi
20:29 chris_n magnus: you'll have to setup a second instance of zebra iirc
20:30 * chris_n groans at the thought of keeping two zebras in hand at the same time
20:30 chris_n I think you can run two separate instances of the daemon pointed at to different configs
20:31 chris_n you might want to search the list archives as well, as it seems the topic has been discussed there a time or two
20:31 magnus chris_n: i've done that, one a-zebra-daemon and one b-zebra-daemon
20:31 magnus search works in the intranet, so it looks like zebra is at least doing half it's job...
20:32 chris_n hmmm
20:32 chris_n I know there are people running multiple kohas on the same box
20:33 magnus i remember it being talked about on the lists, but couldn't find it at the first try, only one guy who did the whole installation a-fresh...
20:34 chris_n yuk
20:34 chris_n well, I'm afraid I'll not be much help on that one
20:34 chris_n it does not seem that opac could get confused
20:35 magnus thanks for trying, chris_n ;-)
20:35 chris_n np :-)
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21:42 chris in the open source in education mini-conf now
21:42 magnus chris_n and for the record: it seems my problem with getting search results in the intranet but not in the opac was solved by putting a value in 942$n for just one of the records and reindexing. the differences between the searches was that opac was also searching 1=9011 Suppress, and since no records had any value for 942$n zebra was complaining (rather silently) about a missing index.
21:42 magnus case closed
21:42 magnus good night #koha
21:43 chris
21:43 chris for anyone interested
21:49 chris nice plug for koha from mark osborne "The best Library system in the world"
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21:53 richard bummer - -> 404
21:53 chris :(
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22:21 chris walter bender about to present about OLPC (remotely)
22:21 chris and sugarlabs
22:28 chris this entire room is now full of OLPC's
22:30 hdl_laptop hi chris
22:33 chris hiya hdl_laptop
22:34 hdl_laptop ahh conferences..
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22:39 chris_n2 @later tell magnus glad you solved the problem; silent fails are always a bummer
22:39 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded.
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