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| 00:00 |
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IrmaCalyx |
Is their "Digital Library System" available only a SaaS or hosted |
| 00:00 |
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IrmaCalyx |
? |
| 00:00 |
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chris |
dont think so, but it isnt open source |
| 00:01 |
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chris |
which is fine, the license allows that, its only when its low level (code level) integration that they would need to gpl it |
| 00:01 |
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chris |
api level integration is fine |
| 00:02 |
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IrmaCalyx |
Libraries are still locked out of participating in the Koha Community when they contract with such companies... |
| 00:02 |
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IrmaCalyx |
in the reality of life |
| 00:04 |
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IrmaCalyx |
with all the demands on librarians time they will focus on their relationship with their vendor and often not engage with the OSS community |
| 00:05 |
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chris |
yes and no |
| 00:05 |
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chris |
ptfs to date have behaved well |
| 00:06 |
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chris |
committing code back, answering questions on the mailing list, in fact the qa manager for 3.4 is looking to be a ptfs europe employee |
| 00:06 |
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chris |
so its up to the libraries to do the same |
| 00:06 |
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chris |
they are only out if they choose to be |
| 00:06 |
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IrmaCalyx |
libraries gain much when they get involved |
| 00:08 |
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IrmaCalyx |
PTFS Europe, how large is the company? |
| 00:08 |
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chris |
yep, but ultimately its up to them to choose wether to be involved or not |
| 00:08 |
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chris |
pretty big i think, not sure |
| 00:09 |
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chris |
Colin is who it is, and he has already proven himself a huge asset, with 20+ patches under his belt |
| 00:09 |
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IrmaCalyx |
Thks Chris. Must work |
| 00:09 |
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IrmaCalyx |
Colin ++ |
| 00:11 |
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IrmaCalyx |
Pity, I wont be in NZ next week but Bob looks forward to the visit. He has an action packed agenda! |
| 00:11 |
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chris |
excellent i hope to catch up for a beer for part of it ;) |
| 00:12 |
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IrmaCalyx |
excellent ;-) ... |
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SelfishMan |
I fear for the community |
| 02:04 |
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chris |
really? |
| 02:04 |
|
chris |
way i see, we at least have a chance now |
| 02:07 |
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chris |
ptfs are active in the community, send patches, do work, talk on irc, talk on mailing lists, thats a big step forward |
| 02:07 |
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chris |
or does me being release manager worry you that much? :) |
| 02:12 |
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gmcharlt |
perish the thought! ;) |
| 02:17 |
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thd |
whatever happens PTFS is approachable and talks |
| 02:19 |
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thd |
The things whch went wrong with PTFS and the rest of the Koha community in the past happened when communication was not engaged well enough. |
| 02:19 |
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chris |
*nod* |
| 02:20 |
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chris |
open communication is the key |
| 02:21 |
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thd |
John Yokley is on record for openness when the LEK issue came up. |
| 02:21 |
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thd |
I will be certain that he does not forget that. |
| 02:40 |
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* chris_n2 |
tries to imagine chris cracking a whip over the Koha code mules :-) |
| 02:40 |
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chris_n2 |
and trembles with fear |
| 02:43 |
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chris |
heh |
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chris_n2 |
nice to see joe drop in for a bit today |
| 02:58 |
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chris |
yeah that was cool, i hope it becomes a habit |
| 03:20 |
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chris_n2 |
I ended up ditching debian etch and loading up ubuntu 9.10 on my production box today |
| 03:20 |
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chris |
etch .. thats pretty old |
| 03:20 |
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chris |
ok, brb |
| 03:20 |
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chris_n2 |
yeah, things got too messed up |
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chris_n2 |
wb brendan |
| 03:21 |
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chris_n2 |
@wunder 28334 |
| 03:21 |
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munin |
chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -2.9�C (10:17 PM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:21 |
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brendan |
heya chris_n2 |
| 03:21 |
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brendan |
@wunder 06516 |
| 03:21 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is -2.7�C (10:09 PM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:21 |
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chris_n2 |
how'd your stew go over? |
| 03:21 |
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brendan |
excellent - vension stew |
| 03:21 |
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brendan |
yummy |
| 03:21 |
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* chris_n2 |
tries to keep from drooling on his keyboard |
| 03:22 |
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chris_n2 |
yeah, we made some venison and wild goose vegetable stew a few weeks ago |
| 03:22 |
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chris_n2 |
it was fantastic |
| 03:22 |
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brendan |
wild goose sounds good |
| 03:23 |
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* brendan |
heads to read the transcripts/logs from IRC today... missed most of it |
| 03:23 |
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chris_n2 |
it was a good meeting |
| 03:25 |
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masonj |
i just got round to running my dev-box with a BIGMEM kernel |
| 03:26 |
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masonj |
Linux fugu 2.6.30-bpo.1-686-bigmem #1 SMP |
| 03:26 |
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chris_n2 |
masonj: cool |
| 03:27 |
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masonj |
im hoping it will allow mysql to be allocated more than 2gigs of mem.. |
| 03:27 |
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chris_n2 |
ahh, nice |
| 03:27 |
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masonj |
app. theres a 2gig per-process limit on a vanilla 32bit linux kernel |
| 03:27 |
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* chris_n2 |
would like to run a huge solid state drive |
| 03:27 |
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chris_n2 |
and kill the mechanical latency |
| 03:28 |
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masonj |
im curious too about SSD's |
| 03:28 |
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chris_n2 |
still a bit pricey for me yet, though |
| 03:29 |
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masonj |
im planning to buy a new dev box, for xmas |
| 03:29 |
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chris_n2 |
what kind of specs? |
| 03:29 |
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masonj |
6 or 8 gig, with a duo cpu (or AMD equiv?) |
| 03:29 |
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chris |
back |
| 03:30 |
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chris_n2 |
nice |
| 03:30 |
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masonj |
so i can start experimenting with 64bit linux |
| 03:30 |
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masonj |
and mysql-innodb tuning.. |
| 03:30 |
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masonj |
yada yada... :) |
| 03:33 |
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chris_n2 |
the proxy server I admin runs a 2.53G Core2 Duo |
| 03:33 |
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chris_n2 |
w/ 8GB |
| 03:33 |
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masonj |
yow, overkill? |
| 03:33 |
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chris_n2 |
heh |
| 03:33 |
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chris_n2 |
a bit |
| 03:33 |
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chris_n2 |
but no complaints about latency by the users :-) |
| 03:34 |
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masonj |
thats one grunty squid-box |
| 03:34 |
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masonj |
dual cpus look to be the way to go , for prod koha3s.. |
| 03:35 |
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chris_n2 |
it never pages memory |
| 03:36 |
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masonj |
heh, i bet |
| 03:36 |
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chris_n2 |
I love it... 386 days since the last reboot |
| 03:36 |
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chris_n2 |
lets see win32 do that |
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chris |
hometime |
| 04:06 |
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richard |
ooh |
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richard |
hometime |
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chris_n2 |
bedtime... g'night |
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CGI896 |
Buna |
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Ropuch |
Morning #koha |
| 07:24 |
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chris |
hi Ropuch |
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Ropuch |
Hello chris |
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paul_p |
hello #koha |
| 08:11 |
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paul_p |
will today be a quiet day? ;-) |
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Ropuch |
Hi paul_p, hdl_laptop |
| 08:19 |
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toins |
hello all |
| 08:21 |
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Ropuch |
Interesting, in english 'M�nchhausen' is written without "h" (so it's derived from english film title with incorrect spelling) |
| 08:21 |
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Ropuch |
AHi toins |
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toins |
hi Ropuch |
| 08:24 |
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paul_p |
hi toins |
| 08:24 |
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toins |
hello paul_p |
| 08:45 |
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chris |
wow, toins :) |
| 08:45 |
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chris |
how are things? |
| 08:46 |
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toins |
hi chris !! |
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toins |
i'm fine |
| 08:46 |
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* chris |
still remembers riding in toins car between marseille and cassis |
| 08:47 |
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* toins |
remembers too ! |
| 08:48 |
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toins |
chris : congrats for being RM for koha 3.4 ! |
| 08:49 |
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chris |
thank you |
| 08:50 |
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toins |
i've just read your proposal |
| 08:50 |
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toins |
it will be a huge work to rewrite all templates using T::T ! |
| 08:53 |
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chris |
actually i have a script to convert them |
| 08:53 |
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magnus |
script++ |
| 08:53 |
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toins |
chris : wow good ! |
| 08:53 |
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chris |
that part is not too hard, its converting C4::Output and changing the .pl files that will take a little while |
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* toins |
now goes to a meeting... brb |
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CGI672 |
hellooooo |
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CGI672 |
e cineva aici??? |
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CGI372 |
00000 |
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kf |
hi #koha |
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zico |
hi |
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zico |
hi |
| 11:41 |
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zico |
last night chris gave me a link of owen where it showed about "upcoming book" feature adding |
| 11:41 |
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zico |
there. i saw... i need to "populate my current database" |
| 11:42 |
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zico |
i am doing this manually... but... is there any way to do it in a little bit easy form? |
| 11:42 |
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zico |
i am inserting each and every author, title, isbn number of each and every book |
| 11:42 |
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zico |
but... u know.. .it`s too hard for 10,000 + books |
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zico |
is there any other way to do it? |
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chris_n |
g'morning #koha |
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kf |
good morgning chris_n |
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Ropuch |
Ho kf, chris_n |
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Ropuch |
s/Ho/Hi |
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kf |
hi Ropuch |
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nengard |
hiya all |
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kf |
hi nengard |
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schuster |
zico - couldn't you do it with a mysql report? |
| 13:29 |
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owen |
zico, why would you want to do 10,000 books? |
| 13:29 |
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owen |
If you want to show "new and upcoming" I would think that would be just a few |
| 13:32 |
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Nate |
Good morning chris_n,kf,Ropuch,nengard,schuster, and owen! |
| 13:35 |
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owen |
Hi Nate |
| 13:35 |
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paul_p |
good morning Nate, nengard, Ropuch, kf, chris_n, owen schuster & everybody |
| 13:35 |
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owen |
So how can we top yesterday? |
| 13:35 |
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Nate |
hiya paul_p |
| 13:36 |
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schuster |
PTFS coming out telling us exactly what they are planning to do with community!!! that is the answer on topping yesterday! |
| 13:37 |
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nengard |
I think we have to wait for the press conference for that |
| 13:37 |
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nengard |
those of you going to ALA midwinter will have to fill the rest of us in |
| 13:37 |
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owen |
schuster I think you and nengard are both correct. |
| 13:37 |
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* chris_n |
agrees with schuster |
| 13:38 |
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chris_n |
I wonder if we'll see the PTFS folks around until after ALA? |
| 13:38 |
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owen |
Someday a library sugar-daddy will decide I need to go to ALA meetings and I'll get to see these things in person. |
| 13:38 |
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kf |
when is ALA midwinter? |
| 13:38 |
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chris_n |
19th... iirc |
| 13:38 |
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chris_n |
or maybe 18th |
| 13:38 |
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nengard |
chris_n - no it starts tomorrow and ends the 19th |
| 13:38 |
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schuster |
This weekend! 15-18th? |
| 13:38 |
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owen |
I noticed jwagner and jdavidb were significantly absent yesterday. News blackout? |
| 13:38 |
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chris_n |
opps :-( |
| 13:39 |
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schuster |
that's what I suspect owen... |
| 13:39 |
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chris_n |
owen: yes, absent for both meetings |
| 13:39 |
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chris_n |
this one and the last |
| 13:39 |
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Nate |
suprising |
| 13:39 |
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schuster |
They also could be in Boston setting up booths for this large conference coming up since it is so close to them. |
| 13:39 |
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chris_n |
probably trying to avoid awkward situations |
| 13:39 |
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* chris_n |
does not blame them |
| 13:40 |
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Nate |
I would think that telling us news via irc is less awkward than at ALA in a press conference? |
| 13:40 |
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nengard |
Nate at ALA there are fewer people to ask the hard questions |
| 13:40 |
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Nate |
just my opinion |
| 13:40 |
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chris_n |
I was thinking that they might not be authorized to speak on behalf of their employer |
| 13:40 |
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nengard |
mostly people there to absorb info - not try and get more info |
| 13:41 |
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Nate |
ahh that could be it chris_n |
| 13:41 |
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chris_n |
I'm sure that some statement will be forthcoming as PTFS is not ignorant of what has transpired of late |
| 13:41 |
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chris_n |
Yokley will probably have some statement to make |
| 13:42 |
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Nate |
I'm sure he will, I just hope it answers some of our questions |
| 13:42 |
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* chris_n |
too |
| 13:42 |
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Nate |
I have all the confedence in them, however |
| 13:43 |
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chris_n |
yes, the press release did quote Yokley as speaking of resolving community issues |
| 13:43 |
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Nate |
so far they have done nothing to suggest they would do otherwise |
| 13:43 |
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Nate |
Exciting Times!! |
| 13:43 |
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chris_n |
yup |
| 13:44 |
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chris_n |
this certainly could be a major point in Koha's history |
| 13:45 |
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* chris_n |
wonders off to finish rebuilding his production Koha server |
| 13:46 |
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* owen |
is optimistic, considering no time travelers have come back from the year 3000 to warn us of the great Koha wars |
| 13:52 |
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nengard |
schuster want to give your lexile rant here? I just read your email and have to admit that I hadn't heard of lexiles until working with koha |
| 13:52 |
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nengard |
are you saying libraries use lexiles to limit what kids can read? |
| 13:53 |
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nengard |
I was reading adult level books in 5th grade already |
| 13:58 |
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owen |
I can see parents using it as a guide to what books might be appropriate for their kids' reading level |
| 13:59 |
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schuster |
owen and nengard - exactly - you have heard of Accelerated reading? well many of the same arguments apply. |
| 13:59 |
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collum |
I'm reading http://www.lexile.com/about-le[…]/lexile-overview/ |
| 13:59 |
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nengard |
thanks for the link collum |
| 13:59 |
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collum |
Is "metametrics" a computer algorithm? |
| 13:59 |
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schuster |
Lexile is a number assigned a book based on word length and sentence structure. |
| 14:00 |
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schuster |
metametrics is a company that owns the lexile "formula" Lexile is a formula they developed to analyze a book and assign it a lexile. |
| 14:00 |
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nengard |
okay - that's just silliness - I suck at test taking but I rock at reading - I would have been a really low level according to the test |
| 14:00 |
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collum |
Are the numbers assigned by humans or machine? |
| 14:01 |
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owen |
I don't like that a company "owns" it. :( |
| 14:01 |
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schuster |
If you look at their Lexile database they have maybe 125,000 books "Officially" lexiled. My favorite example is John Grisham who writes books with a range of lexiles. |
| 14:01 |
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nengard |
bleh |
| 14:01 |
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nengard |
yeah - i can see why you wouldn't like this |
| 14:02 |
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schuster |
Some of his books are 300 others are 1800. When a new book comes out if it isn't officially lexiled they may use a "range" which would be an "average" based on previous books. |
| 14:02 |
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schuster |
So therefore may not have an accurate rating. |
| 14:02 |
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nengard |
i forget what library asked me about lexile searching when i was training them ... i'm now assuming it wasn't you schuster |
| 14:03 |
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schuster |
Texas in the last 2 years has put lexile scores on the state test telling parents what their child's range is. |
| 14:03 |
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nengard |
hmm |
| 14:03 |
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collum |
How would you rate something like "Clockwork Orange?" A book with lots of made up vocabulary. |
| 14:03 |
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schuster |
Books have a specific number, but a person may have a range - 400-475 |
| 14:03 |
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collum |
Kentucky is doing the same. |
| 14:03 |
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schuster |
bbiam |
| 14:04 |
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schuster |
http://www.lexile.com/search/filters/results/ |
| 14:04 |
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schuster |
I just searched clockwork orange and it has a lexile of 1310L |
| 14:05 |
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schuster |
Probably because of the made up words, but its sentence structure is probably pretty complex as well. |
| 14:05 |
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schuster |
The theory is that you find books in your "range" and you will become a more successful reader. |
| 14:06 |
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collum |
It would be nice if they showed the criteria by which a book was rated. |
| 14:06 |
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schuster |
So many picture books are NOT lexiled because they have so few words - and the process falls apart. That's when you have the parents after parent/teacher conferences going to the public |
| 14:06 |
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schuster |
library asking for books with a lexile range and the public libraries have no clue. |
| 14:07 |
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schuster |
You can lexile a book - take a paragraph from something and run it through their algorithm. |
| 14:07 |
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schuster |
http://www.lexile.com/analyzer/ |
| 14:08 |
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schuster |
Mind you if you take a paragraph from the first of the book, middle and end you will probably come up with totally different numbers. |
| 14:08 |
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owen |
nengard: You can lexile your blog and find out if you're using enough big words ;) |
| 14:08 |
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nengard |
LOL |
| 14:08 |
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nengard |
I doubt I am |
| 14:09 |
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schuster |
That is very true... You will see lexiles on Ebsco and Gale product articles too... |
| 14:09 |
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collum |
With my spelling I would probably get a high rating. :) |
| 14:09 |
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nengard |
owen - i'd have to register |
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owen |
:P to them. |
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nengard |
yup |
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collum |
Donuts in the breakroom. bbiab. priorities. |
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schuster |
oooo.... Donuts... |
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schuster |
Ok that's the end of my tirade on lexile - fyi registration is free to lexile. |
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schuster |
On another note... I see on DC everest catalog it looks as though their locations are in alpha order on the summary screen... |
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schuster |
http://koha.dce.k12.wi.us/cgi-[…]x=kw&istp=1&lex1= |
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schuster |
My Librarians would LOVE that. |
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owen |
schuster is that a PTFS client? |
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schuster |
self hosted |
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owen |
Are you referring to this screen? http://koha.dce.k12.wi.us/cgi-[…]iblionumber=17081 |
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schuster |
self supported I believe. Cory Yeager was at KohaCon09 and stayed for the development days after. |
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owen |
schuster: Or are you referring to the summary of copies available on the search results screen? |
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schuster |
Search result screen where all the titles are listed and then in green locations are noted. On my install they are as they were added to the database. Theirs looks to be alpha. |
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schuster |
Not the detail but the summary |
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owen |
Seems likely that theirs were added in that order too, just came out to be alpha for them. |
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owen |
But I don't know. |
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schuster |
I'll contact Cory and see what he has to say. |
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nengard |
owen that's my guess too - they entered them in alpha order |
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owen |
As soon as you switch it to be alphabetical by default you'll get a library who says, "But we want our MAIN library to be listed first, then each other in descending order of importance!" |
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nengard |
LOL |
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nengard |
that is so true |
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schuster |
hmmm ok I'd just like them in alpha! |
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nengard |
I would too - but i see what owen is saying |
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owen |
schuster why not file a bug report? |
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schuster |
I could do that thanks. |
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schuster |
I also understand owens comment. |
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nengard |
this is why there are so many sys prefs |
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owen |
We should have a sys pref for how many sys prefs there are. |
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nengard |
and i know why people want fewer prefs - but at the same time the more we have the more people can customize on their own |
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collum |
Another option, if the patron is logged in, would be to have the patron's home branch listed first, and the alphabetical. |
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collum |
I'm back. |
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nengard |
hehe |
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schuster |
There is a pref for if they are logged in to search local holdings |
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Hi liz-nekls |
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liz-nekls |
hey everybody |
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Nate |
Hi wizzyrea_! |
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wizzyrea_ |
Hi Nate :) |
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Nate |
I just ate Frosted Flakes for the first time in like 20 years! |
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wizzyrea_ |
how were they? |
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Nate |
THEYRE GRRRRREEEEAT! |
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Nate |
you set me up for that one |
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wizzyrea_ |
hehe I walked into that |
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wizzyrea_ |
you're welcome :D |
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Nate |
but honestly they were pretty dang good |
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nengard |
Nate are you in a hotel? that's something that hotels with breakfast always seem to have available |
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wizzyrea_ |
if I had to guess Nate is at ALA |
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Nate |
nope just at home raiding the cabinet |
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Nate |
not yet |
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nengard |
I know he's going - just not sure if he was there yet |
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nengard |
got it |
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Nate |
heading up tommorow morning |
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Nate |
Brendan is reading over my shoulder and says hi to everyone |
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wizzyrea_ |
man, I wanted to go to ALA just to go to the party >.> |
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nengard |
i'm going to take a long long steamy shower - hoping the steam will relieve my sinus pressure :( |
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Nate |
he's complaining about the cold |
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nengard |
Hi Brendan! |
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Nate |
boo hoo |
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nengard |
Oh poor baby |
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nengard |
you have no sympathy from me |
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owen |
:D |
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wizzyrea_ |
poor nengard. Heh, I had a dream about you last night... I dreamt you were at NEKLS for a book signing. |
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nengard |
I'm in my house and my toes feel like they're going to fall off |
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nengard |
ooo - wizzyrea you should invite me to do that :) hehe |
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nengard |
not sure what else would get me to kansas again now that most of you are on Koha already |
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nengard |
okay - I'll be back soon - hopefully without a headache |
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wizzyrea_ |
good luck |
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hdl_laptop |
@seen kyle |
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munin |
hdl_laptop: kyle was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <kyle> Kyle Hall, Crawford County Federated Library System, Meadville, PA |
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hdl_laptop |
hi nengard |
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brendan |
morning #koha |
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brendan |
@wunder 06516 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 2.1�C (10:39 AM EST on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Rising). |
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kf |
morning brendan |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.2�C (4:40 PM CET on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady). |
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hdl_laptop |
hi brendan |
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hdl_laptop |
hi kf |
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kf |
hi hdl_laptop |
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schuster |
OK need some information here... When a book is loaned and checked out to another location it is driving my librarians nuts that on the display screen it is showing current location rather than home location so they never know if they own that book or not. |
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schuster |
Does that bother anyone else? |
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nengard |
where are they looking? cause the item record summary shows both locations ... |
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schuster |
in pac or staff when you search for a title? |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.2�C (9:53 AM CST on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising). |
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schuster |
I don't see it unless you click on the barcode and look at home location. |
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nengard |
got it |
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nengard |
i'm not in a library so i have no clue if it bothers librarians ;) hehe was just wondering where you were looking |
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schuster |
I'm thinking that "Location" should really be linked to the home library not current. |
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owen |
schuster: We're the opposite. We usually want to know where it is, not where it belongs. But that's because we can tell where it belongs from the barcode. :| |
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nengard |
well since it's the staff client we could put in an enhancement request to show both on the summary below the bib record details |
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schuster |
But if you are doing collection development and search for a title (this is where it is problematic) you order another one because yours is on loan to another location. |
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nengard |
I wouldn't recommend doing it in the pac |
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owen |
hdl_laptop: I've filed a bug I hope you can investigate: Bug 4045 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5, ---, henridamien koha-fr.org, NEW, No check for maximum number of allowed holds. |
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schuster |
owen - question about the table sorter. I'm playing a bit - in the opac it is part of the opac-detail.tmpl - in staff the table I want to sort is part of detail.pl so can I still use this? |
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owen |
yes, you could add the table sorter to the staff side if you wanted |
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schuster |
I would stick it into the detail.pl? that still will work? |
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owen |
detail.tmpl. You'd have to make sure the tablesorter js referenced the right element ID from detail.tmpl |
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owen |
My understanding was that because some libraries have huge numbers of holdings having the tablesorter on the staff side would slow things down too much. |
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owen |
That might apply to you |
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schuster |
doesn't hurt to give it a try though and see what kind of screams I hear... ;) |
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google chats with his 3 year old :-) |
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chris_n |
and considers trying google translate on the messages |
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schuster |
so owen we could do the same to request.tmpl? |
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schuster |
Basically anyplace that has a table? |
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owen |
Yes |
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schuster |
hmmm the possibilities. |
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nengard |
okay - disclaimer before I ask this - I do not want to use powerpoint - i have to --- now does anyone know a good place to get tempaltes for powerpoint for Mac? |
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toins |
nengard: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/templates.mspx |
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nengard |
Thank you!!!! |
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nengard |
Oh - yeah I found that one already it only had 4 |
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rhcl |
rhcl has a goose too |
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thinks appamor == headache |
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paul_p |
chris_n++ |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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brendan |
hiya cait |
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chris |
morning |
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Nate |
hi cait and chris |
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chris |
hey nate, brendan still complaining about the cold? |
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Nate |
always! |
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brendan |
Yup got a hat and gloves on - so please excuse any typos (from fat fingers)! |
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chris_n |
hi chris, cait |
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Nate |
actually its a balmy 38 F here |
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Nate |
thinking about wearing my shag carpet sandals out today |
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chris |
thats pretty close to freezing eh? |
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Nate |
close enough |
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chris |
brr |
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chris |
@wunder wellington nz |
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chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on January 15, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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chris |
stupid clouds |
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Nate |
ok so youre pretty warm this time of year |
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chris |
we have actually been unseasonably cold |
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chris |
it seems like the seasons are flattening |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7�C (7:00 PM CET on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). |
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chris |
winter was warmer than usual, summer colder than usual |
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chris |
2009 was our warmest year on record tho |
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chris |
(cos of those high winter averages) |
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chris |
the weather is mental |
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chris |
and all this rain is ruining cricket season |
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Nate |
I definately want to see a cricket match when we are up for Koha '10! |
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Nate |
or maybe ill join the beige brigade for a week to kick some kiwi rumps! |
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chris |
:-) |
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Nate |
BTW I weigh 135lbs soaking wet |
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chris |
we might just catch the end of rugby season too |
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hdl_laptop |
hi chris |
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chris |
hiya hdl_laptop |
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chris |
speaking of kohacon... i need to talk to some more potential sponsors and pay the deposit, i think in a week or so after lca2010.org.nz which is on next week |
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chris |
(im speaking about koha there at the education miniconf) |
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Nate |
you know to count us in! |
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paul_p |
chris: deposit ? which deposit ? |
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chris |
oh you are already on the site Nate : |
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chris |
) |
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chris |
http://kohacon.appspot.com/ |
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chris |
paul_p: for the venue |
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Nate |
awsome! |
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paul_p |
chris: how many $ are you seeking ? |
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chris |
we need around 4k nz all up |
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remember receiving a mail asking if BibLibre want to sponsor, but did not answer it, and wated to ask for some details... |
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chris |
so any little bit helps |
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paul_p |
that's not too much |
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chris |
yeah i tried to keep it as low as possible |
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chris |
because i know everyone has travel costs too |
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chris |
im sure my work can cover a good amount of that too |
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chris |
i will talk to them, and then send out an email in next couple of weeks |
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chris |
if we get extra, it can go on snacks/coffee etc |
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chris |
http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/travel/food.html |
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chris |
i started making maps hehe |
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chris |
catalyst is a major sponsor of LCA .. which starts on sunday, so its pretty busy with that at the moment, when that finishes, then i will get back to kohacon planning, im hoping to be able to delegate most of it away now |
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chris |
now the venue and dates are confirmed, i hope i can leave the rest of the planning to others :) ... seems like im gonna be busy enough this year :) |
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chris |
here endeth the monologue :) |
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paul_p |
chris: lol |
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leaves in a few minuts. Have a good day everybody ! |
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chris |
cya paul_p |
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nengard |
chris the links off of that page do not work - like the tabs at the top and the links in the menu on th eright |
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nengard |
the right |
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chris |
yeah thats cos its not finished |
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chris |
im gonna delegate that to |
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chris |
the ones that work, are the ones that have been done |
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chris |
like the trains and buses one etc |
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chris |
the rest are placeholders to remind us what needs to be done still :) |
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chris |
the big things are, the programme (no really???) and more info about accomodation/travel |
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brendan |
hey nengard |
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nengard |
hiya brendan -- aka big baby :) hehe wearing gloves - i mean really :) hehe |
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jwagner |
Hi, folk! |
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jwagner |
folks, even! |
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nengard |
hiaya jwagner |
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brendan |
hi jane |
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nengard |
hiya even :) hehe |
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brendan |
err.. jwagner |
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nengard |
so - none of us can type today |
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jwagner |
Congratulations to BibLibre and Bywater -- sounds like a great move! |
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nengard |
thanks :) |
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nengard |
and congrats to ptfs |
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jwagner |
Thanks. |
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jwagner |
To head off the bombardment, let me say what I can say at this point. |
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nengard |
hi jdavidb |
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jdavidb |
Hi, nengard! :) |
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jwagner |
We are still in the due diligence phase of the deal, so nothing is final. That means of course that no decisions on matters of interest will be made yet. |
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jwagner |
Those decisions will be made above our (jdavidb & mine) pay grade. We cannot speak for the company on those issues. |
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brendan |
howdy jdavidb |
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jdavidb |
howdy, brendan. |
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jwagner |
Our first priority is to maintain and enhance customer support for all the customers, and to continue/complete the development projects currently underway. That will have to be what jdavidb & I focus on during the transition. |
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brendan |
@wunder 06516 |
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brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 2.7�C (1:39 PM EST on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Falling). |
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chris_n |
hi jwagner && jdavidb |
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chris |
hiya jwagner and jdavidb |
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chris |
that sounds fair enough |
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wizzyrea_ |
can we squee now? |
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jwagner |
Yes, wizzyrea_, you can squee all you like :-) |
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jdavidb |
please do! |
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wizzyrea_ |
queeeee! |
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jwagner |
It's going to be busy around here, for sure! |
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chris |
i think that a lot of the future of koha, in the US, is up to the libraries in the US |
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chris |
public squeeing, and joy about return to open source ... will help people move in the right directions |
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chris |
thats just my 2cents |
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jwagner |
Incidentally, when I say "jdavidb and I" that includes the rest of our staff who don't normally log into the IRC -- we'll ALL be busy! |
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atz |
jwagner: how closely do you work w/ your European counterparts? |
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jwagner |
PTFS Europe is an independent company, but we have some licensing and consulting arrangements, and that will almost certainly continue. |
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chris |
and colin will be doing QA manager ... unless someone else is mad^H^H^H brave enough to volunteer |
| 18:52 |
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chris |
so ptfs europe will be busy too |
| 18:53 |
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jwagner |
Yep. Colin's helped us out on a number of things, and I think he'd be a great QA manager. |
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chris |
so do it |
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chris |
s/it/i/ |
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brendan |
hey atz - hope you're feeling better :) |
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atz |
yeah, back in decent health now |
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atz |
thx |
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chris |
good to hear |
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chris |
ok, bus time, back in 40 mins or so |
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chris |
i wish more than just the airport bus had free wifi |
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* chris |
wanders off |
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nengard |
chris that's more than any bus I know of in the US |
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jdavidb |
Some of the regional bus route-operators up here have wifi on the bus. Bolt Bus and Peter Pan Lines do. ($20 to NYC from here. With wi-fi and power outlets for all. <3 ) |
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schuster |
chris - where will the hackfest be? |
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* chris_n |
wonders about the accuracy of this statement: "copyrights for the majority of the documentation and source code for the Koha software" made here: http://www.libraryjournal.com/[…]le/CA6714841.html |
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wizzyrea_ |
chris is afk, bus |
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schuster |
I know he will followup when he gets there... |
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nengard |
chris_n yeah that line stuck with me too |
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nengard |
schuster i think he said it was going to be at a local library |
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nengard |
or he was trying to get in at a local library - something like that |
| 19:18 |
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nengard |
in short - not the same place as the conference |
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wizzyrea_ |
those copyrights are only for 3.0 though, right? |
| 19:19 |
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wizzyrea_ |
so new stuff = not their copyright |
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wizzyrea_ |
except LEK, of course |
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chris_n |
out of 1802 occurrences of the word 'Copyright' in the codebase, it appears that 94 of them are followed by the word 'LibLime' according to grep |
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chris_n |
242 are followed by the word 'Katipo' |
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chris_n |
42 by 'BibLibre' |
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chris_n |
26 by 'Team' ... presumably 'Koha Dev Team' |
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nengard |
wizzyrea yes, everything I'm writing now is join copyright Me, BibLibre and ByWater |
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nengard |
chris_n do you know how a file gets a copyright note added to it? If I come in and edit a file copyright Katipo doesn't that mean I too belong in that copyright note? |
| 19:28 |
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chris_n |
of course that includes all of the Yahoo stuff, etc as well |
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atz |
nengard: technically, sorta. it's just lame though to try to assert authorship if you are just bugfixing or extending. |
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nengard |
makes sense |
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chris_n |
nengard: what I have done is this: if I add to the file significantly, I add my "name" to the list of copyright holders |
| 19:30 |
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nengard |
however i did write most of the help files in Koha - but didn't copyright them ... should I have? |
| 19:30 |
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atz |
chris_n: LL acquired Katipo's interests in Koha back when i was working there. |
| 19:30 |
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schuster |
Just thinking about hotel accomodations for those lucky enough to make it to NZ... |
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chris_n |
if I totally re-write or originate, I copyright it |
| 19:30 |
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chris_n |
if I bugfix, I do nothing |
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nengard |
schuster chris is working on getting discounts and such |
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chris_n |
atz: so 316 of those 1802 belonged to LL |
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schuster |
ah... Just looking at the website and the hotels near the convention center got me wondering about the hack fest later. The Holiday Inn didn't charge us for the room because of the fill rate we had there. |
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chris_n |
along with PTFS's 4, that makes 320 occurrences belonging to PTFS when the deal closes |
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atz |
nengard: probably would be fine to. you can make one statement to cover all the help files though. |
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chris_n |
hardly a majority |
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nengard |
schuster - but a library has free wi fi and - well - it's a library :) better than a hotel :) hehe |
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nengard |
atz - not really asking if I can - more if I should have thought of that ... I don't need to copyright them, just wondering what the rules are |
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* chris_n |
remembers an article about a library hotel somewhere in the news some time ago |
| 19:32 |
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nengard |
chris_n yes - it's in NYC |
| 19:32 |
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nengard |
each room has a genre |
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atz |
chris_n: i examined this claim before. it's basically junk. it made *some* sense regarding MARC21-only since 3.0 features, including documentation, including all the (large) amount of code in LEK. |
| 19:33 |
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nengard |
looks awesome - but NYC - so expensive I assume |
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chris_n |
it seems that the holders of the DDC were suing it |
| 19:33 |
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nengard |
DDC? |
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chris_n |
dewey |
| 19:33 |
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nengard |
oh - duh :) |
| 19:33 |
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jdavidb |
yep. They were decorating the rooms according to the Dewey classification of the room number. |
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* chris_n |
hands nengard some coffee |
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nengard |
yes, each room has a Dewey number - but that's just stupid |
| 19:33 |
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jdavidb |
(sompin like that) |
| 19:33 |
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nengard |
to sue them |
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* chris_n |
agrees |
| 19:34 |
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nengard |
can I get sued if I use Dewey at home? |
| 19:34 |
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chris_n |
I think the idea is neat |
| 19:34 |
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atz |
but it was fair to say, at some point in the past, that LL was originating the majority of commits, and majority of quality code in Koha. but that's not the case (for public Koha) anymore. |
| 19:34 |
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jdavidb |
nengard: probably so, since OCLC now owns Dewey. They're fussy. |
| 19:34 |
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nengard |
LOL |
| 19:34 |
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nengard |
well - i would be LC anyway - I have never used Dewey |
| 19:34 |
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nengard |
not even as a kid |
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chris_n |
atz: LL's past contributions certainly cannot be ignored nor should they be disregarded, I agree |
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* chris_n |
wonders how they can "owen" Dewey when his work is over 100 years old iirc |
| 19:36 |
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chris_n |
own, even |
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* chris_n |
apologizes to owen |
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nengard |
isn't it 75 years after the death? |
| 19:37 |
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jdavidb |
to me, owning Dewey is like owning a cat. If you have it around you, it owns *you.*. |
| 19:37 |
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nengard |
plus if changes have been made by them they can own them ... |
| 19:37 |
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chris_n |
I think it boils down to 100 years from the date of first copyright if a renewal is applied for |
| 19:37 |
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chris_n |
changes, I understand |
| 19:37 |
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schuster |
I just posted to the lists the agenda for KUDOS on Saturday - if you can't attend the KUDOS board would still like to get your comments and feedback on the proposed dues and memebership structure. |
| 19:39 |
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chris_n |
jdavidb: lol :-) |
| 19:45 |
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chris |
schuster: no not a library, my work place |
| 19:45 |
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chris |
we have seminar and training rooms, and good internet, and espresso machines and such |
| 19:46 |
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chris |
and i can swing it for free |
| 19:46 |
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schuster |
OK - that was just a concern in how people would get from their hotel to your workplace and how much that might cost etc... |
| 19:46 |
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chris |
plus its 5-10 mins walk from the convention centre |
| 19:46 |
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schuster |
Ah then that makes it easy... |
| 19:46 |
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schuster |
cool |
| 19:46 |
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chris |
so any hotel you get close to the convention, works for it too |
| 19:47 |
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chris |
plus wellington is small, and has good public transport, no where is far away (less you live out in the burbs like me) |
| 19:47 |
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chris |
and even that is a 15 min taxi ride, or 40 min bus :) |
| 19:49 |
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chris |
yeah that copyright thing i chalked up us marketing, and we all know marketing only needs to be within 12 blocks of actual truth :-) |
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| 19:51 |
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schuster |
In the US Technically working for a school district anything I create while at work is owned by the district. I can't put my name on it. |
| 19:52 |
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schuster |
Now if I do it from home I can put my name on it, but need to show proof it was done from home. |
| 19:52 |
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chris |
its the same most places, apart from the proof bit |
| 19:52 |
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moodaepo |
What about the documentation on the koha.org site? |
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chris_n |
schuster: similar thing here |
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chris |
moodaepo: there is a new documentation repo |
| 19:53 |
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chris |
which will hopefully go up on the site, soon |
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chris |
its all in docbook xml |
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moodaepo |
chris: Ok..just checking : ) |
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chris |
i send patches from chrisbigballofwax when its my homework, and from @catalyst or @liblime or @katipo whatever the case may be, when its work work |
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schuster |
wizzyrea still here? |
| 19:56 |
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chris |
ohh i bet that's gonna start arguments, im not touching the kudos email :-) |
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brendan |
+1 |
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wizzyrea_ |
schuster: sup? |
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chris |
song of the day time |
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chris |
http://listen.grooveshark.com/[…]I+M+Dead/19630248 |
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chris |
we need a library in russia |
| 20:29 |
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chris |
i know there is one |
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chris |
i just want it on the map |
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chris |
http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha |
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chris |
im sure there is at least one in the ukraine too |
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rhcl |
does this look like a koha opac? http://www.opac.ucu.edu.ua/marcweb/work.asp |
| 20:44 |
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rhcl |
based on this: http://old.nabble.com/Start-Ru[…]0-td14980243.html |
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rhcl |
.asp - I'm thinking not koha |
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gmcharlt |
rhcl: almost certainly not Koha; certainly the OPAC isn't |
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hdl_laptop |
hi gmcharlt |
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hdl_laptop |
Happy New year |
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gmcharlt |
hi hdl_laptop - happy new year to you as well |
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gmcharlt |
chris: which KUDOS email? the agenda? |
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ccurry |
This is a basic question and I'm going to feel like an idiot when I get an answer, but I've spent way too long trying to figure it out. I'm trying to allow access to my koha mysql server from my workstation, running Windows & MySQL Administrator. I'm used to using MySQL on windows and I like the gui admin for MySQL. It seems silly to learn all of the cl commands now. I guess I could... |
| 20:53 |
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ccurry |
...install a desktop environment on Debian and install MySQL administrator there, but that seems like overkill. Anyway, I can grant access to external hosts by replacing the "bind-address = 127.0.0.1" in my my.cnf, line 47, with the ip address of the server. When I do this, however, zebra can no longer access the db to index new items. Can anyone explain how I can get around this problem... |
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ccurry |
...without having to setup an SSH tunnel (or is that what I should do?) |
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ccurry |
nevermind...just researched ssh tunneling, and it's a lot easier than I thought. |
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chris |
@later tell gmcharlt it was the voting thing |
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munin |
chris: The operation succeeded. |
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schuster |
wizzyrea - do you all have a document you use as you add a new location? I just don't want to miss any steps. |
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chris |
ccurry: you can change the koha-conf.xml too |
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chris |
so that it connects to the ip you put in, instead of 127.0.0.1 |
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ccurry |
That should have been an obvious place for me to look too. Thanks. |
| 21:12 |
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chris |
(you can have your mysql server on a totally different machine to your webserver and zebrasrv if you want and koha still works) |
| 21:12 |
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schuster |
chris - the reason behind vendors not voting - was the possibility in the future as a service - development projects that might be contracted so there wouldn't be any concern with ethical practices. |
| 21:12 |
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chris |
assuming the koha-conf is set up |
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chris |
how do you cater for non vendor developers? |
| 21:13 |
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ccurry |
Great. I'd prefer that to using a tunnel. Cheers! |
| 21:13 |
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chris |
ie chris_n for example |
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chris |
or me when im working on my weekends? |
| 21:13 |
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schuster |
chris - since you brought this up - mysql, zebra and apache = what guestimate would you have for load? |
| 21:13 |
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chris |
that was the issue that i could see problems with |
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chris |
schuster: for koha, apache works the least hard of those 3 |
| 21:14 |
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chris |
mysql the hardest |
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chris |
whatever partition zebra is on, needs to have fast disk |
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schuster |
Generally our thinking was if you are paid by a library to work with Koha - then you could influence the vote through your institution. |
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chris |
what if you arent paid |
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chris |
no one is paying chris_n for his windows work |
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* chris |
is playing devils advocate |
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schuster |
Then you could be considered a developer and be in at $10 but no vote. |
| 21:15 |
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chris |
but i think its a valid issuer |
| 21:15 |
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* chris_n |
is paying dearly for it, though ;-) |
| 21:15 |
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chris |
so the d in kudos is for show only/ |
| 21:15 |
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chris |
? |
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schuster |
Yes that is why we put that together to discuss... |
| 21:15 |
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chris |
my fear is forcing a user/developer split |
| 21:16 |
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chris |
ie going proprietary model |
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schuster |
In the bylaws KUDOS doesn't acutally spell anything out... You and I know what it originally stood for, we want to engage developers, and get input from them, but our concern was the ethical practices when time comes to use a vendor for something like development. |
| 21:16 |
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chris_n |
imho, there should be a voting membership level for free-lance developers |
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wizzyrea_ |
chris_n++ |
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| 21:17 |
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schuster |
make a comment to the posted agenda so we can all take it into consideration. |
| 21:17 |
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chris |
it feels to me like 1990 users groups |
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chris |
im unlikely to have much direct contact with kudos in that respect |
| 21:17 |
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schuster |
We're forging new waters here folks so anything you suggest we are open to... |
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* chris |
is just thinking out loud |
| 21:18 |
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schuster |
As long as you don't shoot the messenger! |
| 21:18 |
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chris_n |
seems that you could have some sort of "weighted" voting system if you wanted to "balance" interestes |
| 21:18 |
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chris |
i dont think i ever do that |
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chris |
well at least i hope i dont |
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chris |
i always try to play the ball not the man |
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chris |
but feel free to put me in check if im out of line |
| 21:19 |
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chris |
i guess another consideration for kudos is |
| 21:20 |
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schuster |
what would you suggest chris_n? |
| 21:20 |
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chris |
what relationship does it plan to have with HLT in the short term (as hlt was elected to hold community property) and the foundation in the longer term |
| 21:20 |
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rhcl |
The proposed fee schedule seems quite modest. I see I'm paying $106 USD for ALA + LITA |
| 21:20 |
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schuster |
As you see we are already weighting individual library memberships... |
| 21:20 |
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chris |
rhcl: price was certainly not the issue i was speaking of |
| 21:21 |
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chris |
im just unsure bigger should equal more votes |
| 21:21 |
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rhcl |
No, my comment was intended to be stacatto |
| 21:21 |
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schuster |
We are more of a users group and not overly interested in holding things. Our primary interest is education and sharing. |
| 21:21 |
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chris |
seems a bit dangerous |
| 21:21 |
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chris_n |
initially I was thinking that a library's vote could be weighted based on bibs and a vendor just gets 1:1 |
| 21:21 |
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chris |
schuster: wasnt so much in holding things, more do you plan to work with them etc (im sure the answer is yes) |
| 21:22 |
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schuster |
Bigger - provides some equality... Why should Sioux Falls public library get one vote and Plano ISD with 67 locations get 1 vote.. I was in a group like that before and it was always very unfair I could never get anything to happen. |
| 21:22 |
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chris_n |
but you could have a big library attempting unethical things too |
| 21:22 |
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schuster |
Yes you could, but there would be more than ONE big library ... |
| 21:23 |
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schuster |
keeping the cost low also provided for almost ANY library to be a member - that was a key focus. |
| 21:23 |
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chris |
*nod* i like that |
| 21:23 |
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chris |
i think that most of the issues i have |
| 21:23 |
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* chris_n |
likes the dues schedule too |
| 21:23 |
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chris |
could be resolved by total transparency |
| 21:23 |
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schuster |
Yes KUDOS would want to be the voice of its membership and open and productive dialog is important. |
| 21:24 |
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chris |
ie if everyone can see what is being discussed and going on, no ambushes |
| 21:24 |
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chris |
and less chance to annoy developers, id hate to see an us and them develop, with one notable exception koha has a great history of collaboration |
| 21:24 |
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schuster |
Yes we plan to post minutes of each meeting the board holds. Right now we are in that formative stage - we have a facebook account and that is about all besides the site Kyle Hall as up. |
| 21:25 |
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wizzyrea_ |
I think you're likely going to see more actual librarian developers in a few years |
| 21:25 |
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schuster |
We don't want the us/them either, but were thinking down the road if we had to contract for things how would that work... ie training opportunities, development work etc... and we needed a vendor that we had to pay. |
| 21:26 |
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schuster |
Yes wizzyrea, but they I suspect will be covered as a library |
| 21:26 |
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chris_n |
so what about ethics and a library staffed with developers? |
| 21:26 |
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chris |
oh |
| 21:26 |
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chris |
code of ethics |
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* chris_n |
tries to imagine a library/vendor |
| 21:26 |
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chris_n |
hybrid |
| 21:26 |
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chris |
id love something like kudos to develop one |
| 21:26 |
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chris |
that vendors can sign |
| 21:26 |
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wizzyrea_ |
well like owen kinda |
| 21:27 |
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wizzyrea_ |
he does dev work outside of his library |
| 21:27 |
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wizzyrea_ |
but he's an employee of a library as ewll |
| 21:27 |
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wizzyrea_ |
well* |
| 21:27 |
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chris |
yeah, thats the thing i was trying to say, but didnt very well |
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chris_n |
schuster: one thing to consider is publishing a list of benefits to non-voting, dues paying members |
| 21:28 |
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collum |
How about me. Developer - but our library is not on koha. |
| 21:28 |
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schuster |
Suggestions.... |
| 21:28 |
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chris_n |
where should they be directed? |
| 21:29 |
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wizzyrea_ |
collum you do this just for fun? That's so cool |
| 21:29 |
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schuster |
At the meeting Saturday one of the items that will be discussed are what types of services KUDOS should try to offer. email list probably but what else... I'm thinking we could coordinate some development exchange concepts - and those libraries that want to pay can put money into KUDOS services and have a vote on what is developed. |
| 21:29 |
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schuster |
respond to the email ... |
| 21:29 |
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wizzyrea_ |
oh yea, I imagine that our development coordinating website isn't going to come about Schuster |
| 21:29 |
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wizzyrea_ |
through LL |
| 21:29 |
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wizzyrea_ |
anyway |
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chris |
speaking as newly elected RM for 3.4 |
| 21:30 |
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schuster |
ugh oh I hear a soap box coming on. |
| 21:30 |
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chris |
you probably need to figure out some process of how you plan to interact with the RM's |
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wizzyrea_ |
hee |
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chris |
it probably needs to involve chocolate and coffee |
| 21:30 |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol chris |
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chris |
altho peanut butter for my wife is also acceptable |
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wizzyrea_ |
Jif or Peter Pan, I can never remember |
| 21:31 |
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wizzyrea_ |
and crunchy or smooth... |
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chris |
think of the most unhealthy |
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chris |
so Jif |
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chris |
:) |
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wizzyrea_ |
haha |
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brendan |
So vendors can vote on everything except the development aspirations of KUDOS |
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chris |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]ou-peanut-butter/ |
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brendan |
saying that vendor = developer |
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chris |
that would work |
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wizzyrea_ |
ooh extra crunchy jif, good to kno |
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chris |
its crazy expensive to send, so i dont actually recommend doing it |
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brendan |
yeah but we can load up a suitcase - when we fly to NZ |
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rhcl |
Can't you buy peanut butter in NZ? |
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wizzyrea_ |
brendan++ |
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wizzyrea_ |
its all the sugar free natural stuff, right? |
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rhcl |
That's what I like - Smuckers Natural no sugar added |
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wizzyrea_ |
me too |
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schuster |
At this point we really don't know what we would be voting on so we were just concerned in dealing with service contracts. As developers/vendors make comments to the email. |
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schuster |
I'm allergic to peanuts. |
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wizzyrea_ |
boo |
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wizzyrea_ |
peanut-allergy-- |
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wizzyrea_ |
like deathly allergic? |
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chris |
rhcl: we can, but we have like health rules, our food isnt supposed to actually cause heart attacks |
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brendan |
I don't see much incentive for a developer/"vendor" to join - if he's not consider a full member. |
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chris |
so there is about 8 cups less sugar in our peanut butter |
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pianohacker |
well that just takes all the _fun_ out of it |
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brendan |
heya pianohacker |
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rhcl |
Well, we have no such silliness here. :) |
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pianohacker |
hi brendan |
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brendan |
got it right too :D |
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pianohacker |
no pain today |
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chris |
heya pianohacker, hows the school applications going? |
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brendan |
good question chris |
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pianohacker |
all sent off, just have to wait until april |
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brendan |
bummer |
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chris |
fingers and toes crossed for ya |
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pianohacker |
thanks :) |
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brendan |
maybe one will like you so much - that they will let you know earlier |
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wizzyrea_ |
ph! happy new year! |
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wizzyrea_ |
my son just identified a picture of pat robertson as grandma |
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* brendan |
happen to me with my alma matter |
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pianohacker |
oh, wow, that'd be nice |
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pianohacker |
hi wizzyrea_with_awesome_son |
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wizzyrea_ |
which made me laugh a lot |
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* chris |
refrains from commenting |
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chris |
that guy makes me homicidal |
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wizzyrea_ |
oh me too |
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chris |
*sad* |
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chris |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]dren-die-in-Haiti |
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chris |
days like this, working on stuff.co.nz is depressing as hell |
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wizzyrea_ |
:( |
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schuster |
itchy scratchy allergic. |
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chris_n |
bbl |
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chris |
ohh good catch pianohacker re export |
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chris_n2 |
yup |
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stopped reading after the missing parameter :-O |
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CGI500 |
HOla |
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CGI500 |
I have a question about where do I login as an administrator so that I can start working with koha |
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brendan |
CGI500 - did you just complete an install of koha? |
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CGI500 |
yes |
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brendan |
ok - it should be the username and password that you set during the install |
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CGI500 |
it is running under a liveCD |
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CGI500 |
it does not ha ve a graphic mode |
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CGI500 |
I got it from koha-UNLP from argentina |
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brendan |
hmmm... I don't know that one. maybe someone else will have an idea |
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CGI500 |
what is the website where I type in my username and password |
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russ |
CGI500 have you got the url for the public interface? |
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CGI500 |
for the opac? yes |
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russ |
and what is that |
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russ |
? |
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russ |
(on your install) |
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CGI500 |
https://192.168.2.66/cgi-bin/k[…]ain.pl?logout.x=1 |
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brendan |
ah try http://192.168.2.66:8080 |
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CGI500 |
this is what i get Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please. |
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CGI500 |
I had already try that before |
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brendan |
whoops typo here -- https://192.168.2.66:8080 |
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chris |
i think you will have to ask the koha-UNLP people |
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brendan |
chris++ |
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chris |
its a non standard set up, so we are just guessing |
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CGI500 |
in our URL for our OPAC the https is cross over with red line? |
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chris |
probably an invalid certificate, like i say, its not a standard koha set up so we dont know what they have done im afraid |
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CGI500 |
ok thanks for your help |
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chris |
normally port 80 for opac port 8080 for intranet (the https means it will be port 443 for opac) |
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russ |
CGI500 is there a readme on the live CD |
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russ |
? |
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russ |
if not it sounds like something the UNLP people should add :-) |
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