IRC log for #koha, 2010-01-07

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01:01 Nate goodnight #koha
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01:32 Genji hiya all.. anyone know what default.idx:14: Failed to load ICU chain icu.xml means?
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02:33 liz-nekls @wunder 66047
02:33 munin liz-nekls: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.9�C (8:30 PM CST on January 06, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 6 PM CST Thursday...
02:37 chris sounds like fun
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02:46 liz-nekls where fun = being trapped in your house, then yea :)
02:46 chris_n2 bring on the snow...
02:46 liz-nekls hehe
02:47 liz-nekls we've already gotten at least 3 inches... not a whole lot, but on top of the 8 we already have...
02:47 * chris_n2 is looking at 3 chord of split and dry wood along with a fantastic woodstove
02:47 liz-nekls this is way more snow than I've seen in year
02:47 liz-nekls ooh, woodstoves are THE BEST in cold weather
02:47 chris_n2 we're supposed to get an inch or so tomorrow night
02:48 liz-nekls my parents have one that they only fire up when it gets under 30 for 5 or more days
02:48 chris_n2 yeah, I like doing soups and stews on it
02:48 chris_n2 the stove is our sole source of heat
02:48 liz-nekls heats the whole house, I always looked forard to it when dad would start it because the house was so much warmer than with the regular furnace
02:48 chris_n2 there is something about radiant heat which cannot be beat
02:48 liz-nekls ooh
02:50 chris_n2 wood is far cheaper than any other fuel and does a fantastic job here in NC where the winters are fairly mild by comparison
02:50 liz-nekls you work from home?
02:50 liz-nekls or is there a special way you tend it to keep it going during the day
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02:51 chris_n2 between my wife and children we manage to keep it going nicely 7/24
02:52 chris_n2 its a soapstone stove from Woodstock stoves in VT
02:52 liz-nekls oh, I didn't realize you had an additional labor force :D
02:52 liz-nekls (meaning the children)
02:52 chris_n2 a whole crew... 3.5
02:53 liz-nekls :D brilliant
02:53 chris_n2 the .5 part is my 3 year old... she can carry one piece of wood at a time :-)
02:53 liz-nekls hahaha
02:53 liz-nekls I was going to ask about that but kind of assumed it was a wee one too small to help
02:53 chris_n2 she likes to think she can do the work of the other three
02:54 chris_n2 and really is the life of the family at times
02:54 liz-nekls I asked my almost-2 year old to cary the vinegar to the kitchen from the pantry, he made it but looked like his arms might fall off lol
02:54 liz-nekls it wasn't *that* heavy
02:54 liz-nekls a smallish bottle
02:54 chris_n2 lol :-D
02:54 liz-nekls hey, he wanted to help!
02:54 chris_n2 the next one up from the 3 year old is 10, so there is quite a gap
02:55 liz-nekls zowie!
02:55 chris_n2 yes... a surprise... but very welcomed
02:55 liz-nekls I was a surprise myself, so I can appreciate that
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02:56 chris_n2 it is amazing how much more rapidly she has developed compared with the others at that age... having older siblings has a dramatic influence
02:57 liz-nekls kids are so fascinating to watch grow. All of a sudden they just *do stuff* and you're like, whoa...
02:57 liz-nekls like, yesterday I was getting spud a sippy with milk, and he said No! Mommy, cup! Straw!
02:58 liz-nekls he did *not* want the sippy
02:58 liz-nekls and was very happy and careful with his cup and straw
02:58 liz-nekls totally out of the blue for me
02:58 chris wait til he tries to make you a coffee
02:58 liz-nekls HAHA
02:59 liz-nekls (more likely tea but oh my look out)
02:59 liz-nekls he already knows that honey and milk go into tea, and that tea is yummy
02:59 chris specially when he knows he isnt allowed hot water
02:59 liz-nekls LOL, it sounds like you have a story there
02:59 chris cold water milk and 4 teaspoons of coffee
02:59 chris its not that pleasant
02:59 chris :)
02:59 liz-nekls but funny
03:00 chris yeah i nuked it, and drank it, cos he was so pleased with himself
03:00 liz-nekls hehe
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03:01 liz-nekls I have reached a critical point of saturation with KLOW... I really don't want to work on it, but I know I have to. hrmph
03:02 liz-nekls I'd rather fart around on twitter
03:02 liz-nekls that's how bad it is
03:02 chris hehe
03:11 chris_n2 my 3 year old likes coffee
03:11 chris_n2 decaf I should add
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03:12 chris heh, theres a lifelong addiction in the making :-)
03:13 chris
03:13 chris more libraries now
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03:13 chris but there are still 372 without coordinates
03:13 chris http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]&Coordinates=none
03:13 chris if you get really bored liz-nekls  ;-)
03:14 chris_n2 ouch... beyond bored I think
03:14 liz-nekls it was fun to look at the map, scroll in on kansas and it's like, "hi, we rule you."
03:14 chris
03:15 chris wow, heather sure likes basketball
03:15 brendan evening all
03:15 chris heya brendan
03:15 chris_n2 hey bendan
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03:18 liz-nekls oh I know right
03:18 liz-nekls hehe
03:19 liz-nekls I mean, I went to KU and I don't like it that much... she isn't even an alum, don't quite get it
03:19 liz-nekls I mean, I cheer for my team in the tournament :P
03:19 liz-nekls i'm def a fair weather fan.
03:20 liz-nekls oh, wow, I had missed the wall of bball tweets...
03:21 * liz-nekls is hit with critical wall of tweets for 9999... dies.
03:25 chris heh
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03:37 Genji hiya all.. anyone know what default.idx:14: Failed to load ICU chain icu.xml means?
03:37 Amit heya brendan, chris, chris_n2
03:37 Amit heya Genji
03:38 chris_n2 howdy Amit
03:38 Genji Also, anyone who has done a complete install of koha 3.0 RC1 on Debian 4 or 5, and has some spare time available to do it, please let me know. Im tired of banging my head against a brick wall trying to do it.
03:38 * Genji is a developer.. not an installer.
03:40 brendan heya amit
03:40 Genji Any takers?
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03:42 * Genji adds.. "Will Pay!"
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03:45 * chris_n2 fails to resist the urge to log into his dev box and do a little coding before hitting the hay
03:46 liz-nekls ah the siren call of the command line
03:46 Genji Hrm... no... siren call of vim or mc, for me. me and the command line are not mixing well.
03:47 liz-nekls genji: installing can be so frustrating
03:47 Genji liz-nekls: how many times have you done it?
03:47 chris_n2 zebras kick kinda hard sometimes too
03:47 * liz-nekls still hasn't properly come to terms with nasty old zebra
03:48 liz-nekls gengi: probably 15 times, but only a few times with zebra (we hates it precious)
03:48 liz-nekls so, not that many times, all told
03:48 Genji What the world needs is not love, but a fully set up Koha ISOmatic. Just insert the cd, and installs onto the hdd like Freepbx does.
03:49 liz-nekls is now known as wizzyrea_
03:49 * wizzyrea_ slips into a more comfortable persona
03:49 Genji would probably need a few versions at that, for libraries that are too paranoid to move from 3.0 to a more recent version.
03:49 wizzyrea_ well, there is a live CD, iirc
03:50 wizzyrea_ but it doesn't install it, of course
03:50 Genji hmm.. yeah. it needs to be installed into a dedicated box.
03:50 wizzyrea_ spose you could image it over to a hard disk
03:51 Genji thats also koha 3.0.4 isnt it?
03:51 Genji how much changes was there between 3 and 3.0.4?
03:52 wizzyrea_ lots
03:52 wizzyrea_ many things fixed/added
03:53 * wizzyrea_ loves the exotic nature of cloud hosting, but misses the hum of the server room that goes with it.
03:53 Genji would 3.0.0 require things that don't get installed in 3.0.4?
03:53 Genji As in, could I image the livecd onto hdd, and then copy the old files on top of 3.0.4?
03:58 * chris_n2 figures cloud computing also reduces the HVAC load
03:59 chris_n2 why stick with 3.0.0?
04:01 wizzyrea_ chris_n2: true, and I thought I read something somewhere about heat exchanging data centers that were using the waste heat to do something useful, but I can't remember what it was exactly
04:01 chris_n2 it's great in the winter, but wretched during the summer
04:02 chris_n2 now if the heat could be used to brew coffee or tea we might be onto something ;-)
04:02 Genji chris_n2: because the library im doing work for, has done custom modifications to koha, and don't want them disturbed. They didn't use git either, nor any VCS, so it would have to be a manual diff and edit. and that would take too much time.
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04:04 chris_n2 hmm... setup a 3.0.0 git repo and simply overwrite the files in the repo with those from your current installation... do many small commits or one big one... the move on to the latest 3.0.x from there... re-install over git... and there you are
04:04 chris_n2 <snap>
04:05 chris_n2 well, maybe not quite that easy, but it could be done with much less pain then manual diffs and patches
04:06 Genji Hmmm...
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04:12 chris_n2 wb Amit_laptop
04:13 Amit_laptop heya chris_n2
04:13 chris_n2 ahhh... two Amit's... twice the work being done ;-)
04:17 Amit_laptop chris_n2: no two Amit
04:36 * chris_n2 wonders why there are so many "next" and "click here to continue" buttons in the web installer
04:36 wizzyrea_ because no one looks "below the fold?"
04:37 wizzyrea_ no idea
04:37 wizzyrea_ it gives you a sense of accomplishment to be done after clicking through so much?
04:38 * wizzyrea_ has a purring kitty sitting next to her. poor guy must be cold.
04:40 * chris_n2 's kitty just passed away :-(
04:41 wizzyrea_ oh I'm so sorry.
04:41 chris_n2 she was well over 10 years old
04:41 wizzyrea_ it's hard when furbabies dies
04:41 wizzyrea_ die*
04:41 chris_n2 she and our yellow lab always slept together when it was cold
04:42 * chris_n2 feels no sense of accomplishment after running the web installer for the zillionth time in row and clicking soooo many "next" buttons :-P
04:42 chris_n2 the children took her out and buried her
04:48 wizzyrea_ aww that's so sweet
04:48 wizzyrea_ I will be so sad when our furbabies die
04:48 wizzyrea_ because i know that hubs will not let me get any more
04:49 wizzyrea_ it will take epic whining of spud to get it to happen.
05:06 chris_n2 and here we go again... "next" ad infinitum...
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05:17 chris_n2 chris: I've added sample data for the patron card creator to my repo; it should be available sometime after 0700GMT jan 7
05:18 chris_n2 for your testing enjoyment :-)
05:22 chris_n2 ok, its after midnight here and I quit... g'night
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07:17 eiro hello workd
07:17 eiro world, even
07:18 Ropuch Morning #koha
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07:43 thd good morning paul_p
07:45 thd paul_p: I have a question about the different datatypes for marc and marcxml in the database.
07:46 thd paul_p: Why do we use longblob for marc and longtext for marcxml in the database?
07:46 paul_p hi thd (not sleeping ?)
07:47 thd no I know that I should be
07:47 paul_p because marc is iso2709 raw format, so a kind of binary, while marcxml is pure text
07:47 thd data types are keeping me awake
07:48 thd paul_p: yet are we not converting all MARC records to UTF-8 before storing them in the database?
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07:56 paul_p thd: yes we do. but it has nothing to do with binary or not !
08:00 thd paul_p: I suppose that we are only using the MARCXML record for parsing.  Is that correct?
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08:31 hdl_laptop hi chris
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09:35 hdl_laptop hi all
09:36 greenmang0 hi hdl_laptop.. how are you doing?? :)
09:36 hdl_laptop good how are you?
09:37 greenmang0 hdl_laptop: me good too...
09:47 * paul_p head to train station. See you next monday !
09:47 chris evening
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10:07 kf hi #koha
10:10 chris hi kf :)
10:11 kf hi chris :)
10:11 kf first day at work this year
10:11 kf just added our koha library to koha map :)
10:11 chris excellent :)
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10:16 Ropuch Hello kf :)
10:18 * chris goes to sleep
10:19 kf hi Ropuch
10:19 kf good night chris :)
10:25 kf Ropuch: happy new year / ein schönes Neues Jahr!
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10:28 Ropuch kf:danke,  ebenfalls
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10:30 Ropuch I've updated my library coords as well so we're visible
10:34 kf will add 2 more libraries on 11th
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10:37 Ropuch I have an appointment with a person from Studies for Jewish Language & Culture at our university
10:38 Ropuch About using Koha in their library
10:38 Ropuch And almost sure we'll provide them a free hosting
10:39 Ropuch kf: thanks again for sendingm me the hebrew virtual keyboard :)
10:40 kf Ropuch: did it work for you?
10:41 Ropuch Yup
10:46 kf great :)
10:51 kf Ropuch: I wish you good luck for your appointment! - have you seen the hebrew records in our koha system?
10:51 Ropuch I borwsed through some of them
10:53 kf ah :) still need some improvement, but it works
10:53 Ropuch Yup
10:53 Ropuch I think they gonna love the possibility of having both hebrew and traslitertated version of tiltes/names
10:58 kf we use 880 fields according to marc21 standard
10:58 kf but we copied some fields to 9xx for better indexing - authors in author index, titles in title index etc.
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12:50 magnusenger good morning ptfs ;-)
12:50 jdavidb Hi, magnus.  :)
12:51 kf hi jdavidb and magnusenger
12:51 jdavidb Howdy, kf!  :D
12:52 magnusenger hi kf
12:52 Nate Morning All!
12:52 jwagner Good morning all.
12:52 Nate or afternoon or evening
12:53 kf good morning Nate and jwagner
12:53 jwagner How about good [time period of your choice]?
12:53 kf :)
12:54 magnusenger i think i saw "good TOD" recently, Time Of Day. may sound less good to german ears, though...
12:55 kf yeah, not so nice tod = death
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12:56 jwagner But potentially useful at Halloween :-)
12:57 kf :)
12:57 chris_n g'morning
13:00 hdl_laptop hi all
13:02 jwagner Got an XSLT OPAC question for you all, especially BibLibre because I think it may be fixed in the latest version.  On a .061 version (roughly October), with XSLT results on, a record with both an 856 URL and an available physical copy only shows the URL in the OPAC results list, not the "copy available at" for the physical copy.
13:02 kf ah, my library told me about this too
13:02 jwagner If the copy is checked out or otherwise unavailable, then the results list shows it.  If I remove the URL, then the copy becomes visible.  But if there's a URL and the physical status is "available" it doesn't show.
13:03 jwagner I snuck a peek at a new HEAD install, and the same scenario works there -- both the URL and the available copy show.  But I couldn't see any difference in the code where it decides what's available.
13:03 jwagner Does someone remember fixing this?
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13:05 kf we didn't, so I m happy to hear it will work correctly in 3.2
13:05 jwagner Well, it worked when I duplicated the scenario (imported a record, created a URL and a physical copy).  I want to test it with the identical data set where I was having trouble.
13:05 jwagner But thanks for verifying the problem kf -- at least I'm not hallucinating :-)
13:06 jwagner I looked at a system running a slightly earlier codeset, still .061 but maybe 2-4 weeks older, and the display worked properly there.  Something must have snuck in later.
13:07 kf jwagner: no you are not, I saw the problem a while back, we have many urls in our opac (enhanced contetn links from union catalog)
13:07 kf but had no time yet to really look for a solution
13:10 jwagner It's definitely XSLT -- when I turn off the XSLT results syspref, the display shows both the URL and the item.
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13:26 chipsy have this error any idea:Use of uninitialized value $kohadir in concatenation (.) or string at integration/koha/ line 53. Installing biblios into   Installing using symlinks in Koha directories Use of uninitialized value $kohadir in concatenation (.) or string at integration/koha/ line 56. Use of uninitialized value $kohacgidir in concatenation (.) or string at integration/koha/ line 56
13:27 chipsy trying to install biblios
13:29 chris_n chipsy: I'm not sure anyone here is running biblios
13:29 chris_n it is a separate LibLime sponsored project
13:30 chris_n chipsy: check out
13:31 chris_n chipsy: and
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13:33 chris_n oh well
13:34 * chris_n wanders back off into the fog of code
13:35 jwagner chris_n, before you get too fogged in, did you get a chance to look at that label error the other day?
13:37 owen chris_n: trolling the biblios forums?
13:37 chris_n jwagner: I'll look now... that was with a search limited by accession date, right?
13:37 chris_n owen: in response to a question by chipsy
13:37 jwagner Right.  Using the pulldown to select accession date, then using the calendar gadget to select today.
13:37 chris_n owen: but the forums look dead and things appear to have ground to a halt with the google gears/FF compat problem
13:38 owen That and LibLime lost their lead biblios developer
13:39 chris_n hmmm... imagine that
13:40 * chris_n thinks we need a mechanism to allow devs to quickly switch the db their dev install is running over
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13:45 chris_n jwanger: can you verify something for me on the label item search on an affected system?
13:45 jwagner I can try :-)
13:46 chris_n do a search limited only by "Added on or after date" using this date: 8/01/2009
13:46 chris_n let me know what it says
13:47 * chris_n sees some very bad behavior which varies based on the date entered
13:47 jwagner Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/nsf/kohaclone/labels/ line 129.
13:47 jwagner That's with nothing selected in the pulldown, just using the calendar gadget.
13:47 chris_n well, mine behaves a bit better than that... it at least simply returns to the search form rather than throwing an error :-P
13:48 jwagner This is a version from roughly late August to early September, if that helps.
13:49 chris_n jwagner: I will look a bit further, but have a sneaking suspicion that this may be the tip of the iceberg on some fundamental search issues which have been lurking
13:49 * chris_n heads back under for a moment
13:49 jwagner Man the lifeboats!  Iceberg ahead!!!
13:50 chris_n no, no... strike up the band and deny reality ;-)
13:50 * owen reading the logs
13:50 owen chris_n: I should get my coffee-loving 3yo together with yours and they can have Coffee Talk.
13:50 chris_n lol :-)
13:51 chris_n they'd probably have some conversation about Jamaican Blue Mountain or some other exotic coffee
13:52 owen You know, coffee, pottys, blocks, no big whoop.
13:52 chris_n jwagner: try 08/01/2009 # note the '0' placeholder here
13:53 jwagner instead of using the gadget?
13:54 chris_n right
13:54 jwagner Same error.
13:54 jwagner By the way, chris_n, how's your son's hand doing?
13:57 * chris_n services a non-maskable interrupt
14:00 chris_n jwagner: he's doing much better now... the finger is beginning to look more recognizable and normal
14:01 chris_n jwagner: other than the issue with a mal-formed date, the search appears to work in the code from the latest HEAD
14:01 jwagner That's good.
14:01 chris_n initially I had a bad bit of data... incorrect accession date in an item record
14:01 jwagner Are there differences in latest head versus the version from a few months ago?
14:02 chris_n om
14:02 chris_n the last change was made on 2009-09-06
14:04 chris_n jwagner: last major changes were made my myself with the labels code re-write
14:05 jwagner Hmm.  I'll have to check the date on these systems to see if the 9/6 change might be in there.  Do you have it as a separate patch?
14:06 chris_n 61 is after that point, so your running the latest labels code in that regard
14:06 owen Wow, when the Google street view trucks have made it to Chauncey OH they've really reached the bottom of their list
14:06 owen[…]2,128.02,,0,-8.79
14:06 chris_n jwagner: does your search always throw the same error?
14:07 chris_n or does it ever return a result set?
14:07 chris_n owen: some library facility there, eh
14:07 jwagner Not sure about all searches, but I just tried a title search & got the same error.
14:08 chris_n hmm... any additional info in the log?
14:08 owen chris_n: That's where Koha's original NPL templates were born :)
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14:09 owen ...And where we reviewed paul_p's answer to the RFP for MARC support for Koha
14:09 jwagner chris_n, nothing in the error log beyond the above error message.
14:09 jwagner This system is from earlier than 9/6 according to the all-knowing jdavidb :-)
14:10 chris_n interesting... a title search on 'Contemporary' returns 59 results of which only the first three have the word in the title
14:10 * jdavidb snorts.
14:10 jdavidb If I was "all-knowing", you wouldn't be having this problem.  I'd have already solved it for you.
14:11 jwagner Only if you were also all-inclined-to :-)
14:11 * jdavidb clearly isn't all-knowing today; spent twenty minutes trying to figure out why he couldn't pull a repo from github, only to realize he'd spelled the repo name incorrectly.
14:11 chris_n jwagner: you could try grabbing[…];hb=HEAD and its associated template
14:12 chris_n and then drop them in over the existing files on your install
14:12 chris_n and see if that helps
14:12 chris_n the patches contain changes in multiple files, so I'm not sure they will apply nicely
14:14 jwagner I'll talk to jdavidb about that, chris_n -- we may try it on their test server.  Thanks.
14:16 chris_n jwagner: if that works for you then you could create a set of patches from your test server and apply them to the production box
14:17 owen If anyone's spending their day sifting through lib-web-cats, this is useful:[…]longitude_values/
14:17 * chris_n uses that tip often :-)
14:19 jwagner chris_n, the URL brought down a .pl file -- how to get the template(s)?
14:22 chris_n[…]sult.tmpl;hb=HEAD
14:22 chris_n[…]arch.tmpl;hb=HEAD
14:22 chris_n you'll need both
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14:23 jwagner Thanks!
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14:23 chris_n jwanger: I'm not sure that this will maintain the integrity of your label code on the test server
14:23 chris_n but it should allow you to test the search
14:24 chris_n assuming you are using git, you can just 'git reset --hard HEAD' to get back out of the changes if things break badly
14:24 jwagner We're not too worried about the code itself -- set up a new branch, if it fails, go back to the old one.
14:24 chris_n right
14:24 chris_n just a full-disclosure on my part :-)
14:25 chris_n but if your at version 61, I'm surprised you don't have these changes already
14:26 chris_n but then I often am surprised by what upgrades do to my own dev server
14:28 chris_n owen: interesting bit of history about the NPL templates... seems it should be included somewhere in the annals of Koha history
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14:30 chipsy how can i locate my koha cgi dir?
14:34 hdl_laptop less koha-conf.xml
14:34 hdl_laptop intranetcgi
14:39 chipsy cant find intranetcgi there
14:40 chipsy i'm using dev
14:42 hdl_laptop intranetdir is your intranetcgi
14:44 chipsy and which one is kohadir
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15:38 ccurry hello, all.  In the final stages of our Koha implementation and I'm trying to sort out the bib/auth linking.  Can someone direct me to documentation describing what the script is looking for when it checks bibs (if it exists)?  I loaded 1 record and one of it's associated authority records into my catalog and the script checks the bib, but doesn't modify it.  No...
15:38 ccurry ...errors are reported.  I'm no expert on authority control, so I'm not sure if our old catalog created bad records or there is some further configuration that needs to be done in order to get the script to work for our records.  I found this thread on this list, which may point to the latter:[…]8-May/007629.html.  Any help is appreciated.
15:39 ccurry its*
15:40 kf ccurry: we import authority and bibliographic data already linked by id numbers, so we dont use the script, I think it should add the id number of the auth record to $9 in bib?
15:42 ccurry By "id numbers" do you mean 005 control numbers?
15:43 ccurry $9 of which field?
15:49 kf in bib for example 100 $9 for an author
15:49 kf im not sure about the authority, I think koha generates his own numbers - pk in db table
15:50 kf according to marc21 it should be in 001 of the authority file afaik
15:51 kf we import authority data so that the number in $9 matches the pk of the authority in the database, so no need for the linking script
15:53 ccurry kf:How do you go about inserting the $9s in the bibs?  It seems like the script would be easier (if I knew what I was doing).
15:54 kf we get our data from our union catalog, we use a little script to switch the identity number from $0 to $9 and it works nice with koha
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16:04 kf sorry, need to leave now
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16:05 ccurry thanks kf
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16:05 chris_n hdl_laptop: will you provide me with a French translation of "Limit images stored in the database by the Patron Card image manager to this number."?
16:06 hdl_laptop is it the number or the weight of images ?
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16:07 hdl_laptop 'Limiter la taille des images stockées en base pour la photo Lecteur à cette taille.'
16:08 hdl_laptop I assume it is the weight (size in Mo)
16:11 chris_n hdl_laptop: number == quantity
16:11 moodaepo @wunder 56001
16:11 chris_n not size as in bytes or filesize
16:11 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -13.0�C (10:08 AM CST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -24.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 6 PM CST this evening...
16:11 hdl_laptop 'Limiter le nombre d'images stockées en base pour la photo Lecteur à cette taille.'
16:11 chris_n tnx
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16:14 jwagner hdl_laptop, shouldn't it be cette nombre in the second version?
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16:15 chris_n @wunder 28334
16:15 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 4.6�C (11:13 AM EST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
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16:30 owen schuster: I just submitted a patch to implement that inline add/edit option on the add item screen
16:31 owen So it's at least conceivable that at some point in the future you'll get it :)
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17:29 * chris_n heads out in search of food
17:47 schuster ok about this tweet going around about updating Libwebcats...  As a consortium type multi branch library someone put all of our schools in but it wasn't us so there are 67 that will NEVER get location updates
17:48 owen Those locations are locked?
17:48 schuster Not sure what you mean by Locked?
17:49 owen schuster: Can you not log in and edit them yourself?
17:54 schuster I can edit it but what should I be editing?
17:54 schuster wizzyrea do you have all your libraries listed or just the consortium?
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17:55 schuster OK so I found the edit and the "closed" option so what does that do to the entry?
17:55 schuster Thanks for the tip owen
17:57 owen schuster where do you see the "closed" option?
17:57 owen Oh, under Edit -> Status?
17:59 schuster Got it now I guess I have to do that for all 67 locations!
18:02 wizzyrea i think all, that blob of libraries would be much smaller if we only listed NExpress
18:03 owen Yeah, Texas is big, needs lots of spots on the map! ;)
18:03 schuster Oh it makes sense for individual libraries just wondering about consortium types.  Several of the school librarians called me asking if they needed to fill out this survey on the automation business.
18:04 schuster Someone had actually put the principal and the librarian emails into libwebcats so they were being contacted about his annual survey.
18:04 schuster I don't want to fill out the survey 67 times either...
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18:09 sekjal hmmm, my 6 of my 9 locations are listed separately in libwebcats, but we're considered one library.... what to do?
18:20 schuster it's that survey that concerns me..  I can see a librarian at a school submit some really nasty stuff that they don't like Koha but they really don't get much of a choice.
18:32 chris[…]guishes-25th.html
18:34 chris i vote we all go work for biblibre :-)
18:38 chris and now i must go catch the 5th best bus :) bbl
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18:44 * chris_n runs out to get a plane ticket to France :-)
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19:28 richard hi
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19:39 chris_n hi richard
19:39 richard hi chris_n
19:39 chris_n and nicomo
19:39 richard and nicomo :)
19:39 nicomo hi chris_n
19:43 chris back
19:53 chris down to 302 libraries without coordinates, was 411 this time yesterday :)
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19:59 schuster It will drop another 64 tonight when I have a chance to close all my schools!
19:59 schuster Leaving just one location
20:01 chris :-) yeah that makes sense
20:08 chris_n owen: if I reference an image in the 'img' dir from withing an include file in the 'includes' dir... what is the correct pathing?
20:08 chris_n ../../image.gif is what I thought
20:08 chris_n but it does not seem to work
20:08 chris_n nor does any of several variations :-(
20:09 owen /intranet-tmpl/prog/img/
20:10 chris_n owen++
20:10 chris_n works like a charm
20:10 chris_n so basically absolute pathing from the document root is the rule?
20:11 owen Well let's see, other places in the templates use <!-- TMPL_VAR Name="themelang" -->/img/
20:12 owen Does that work as well?
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20:13 chris_n this is a reference in an inline style
20:13 chris_n om I'll try
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20:14 chris_n owen: no since the 'en' and 'img' dir are on the same level
20:15 chris_n and the template var ends up rendering as: url(/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/img/alert-bg.gif)
20:15 chris_n rather than url(/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/alert-bg.gif)
20:15 owen Yeah, that's right, which is what we used to do
20:15 owen But then we moved the img dir out of the lang dir
20:15 chris_n but maybe <!-- TMPL_VAR Name="themelang" -->/../img/
20:16 chris_n yes this ^^ seems to work
20:16 chris yeah there should be different types of images
20:16 chris_n is that a better approach rather than hardcoding the themelang path?
20:16 chris those which are language dependent
20:16 chris and those which arent
20:17 chris ie a blue image can be safely shared
20:17 owen We should really have a "theme" variable to go along with "themelang" for such occasions
20:17 chris_n hmmm... the 'en' dir does not have a 'img' subdir
20:17 chris an image that contains the word blue .. .not so much
20:17 * chris_n wonders if the image language distinction is maintained in the current directory structure?
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20:19 owen chris_n: do you mean does the current set of images really avoid any language references?
20:20 chris_n no; rather that the current directory structure does not allow for the distinction to be made
20:20 chris_n I think some of the itemtypeimg images may violate the distinction already
20:20 owen True
20:21 owen But at least those are user-configurable
20:21 owen I think the only significant exception is the staff client login logo
20:21 chris_n chris: maybe we should add this to the list for the 3.4 cleanup
20:22 chris_n or are those subdirs generated when one runs the translation install routine?
20:22 chris pass
20:22 chris lets put it on the list so that we at least confirm what its doing
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20:47 schuster Ok I do have a question after battling getting koha installed again on this laptop.
20:48 schuster I have discovered that the instructions for installation are really good that are in the GIT pull in the Kohaclone directory.  Is there a reason that those instructions for the different versions and flavors of unix  are not posted on the wiki?
20:50 chris only because no one posed them
20:50 chris those same instructions are in the releases too
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20:50 chris its expected that people read the INSTALL file before trying to isntall, but that may be a false expectation
20:51 schuster And how would one get the Install?
20:53 schuster There are these things it talks about doing on the instructions like how to setup debian to do the git etc... and then you git blah.... but they never refer to the instructions that are found in the Kohaclone directory.  I stumbled upon those last year when I was installing Koha.
20:53 schuster Just me talking out loud - you said you liked people who did that I think....:)
20:54 chris its in the release
20:54 chris you download the release
20:54 chris unpack it, and read it
20:55 chris then you could go .. oh ill want to run from git instead of a stable release, cos im braze/crazy
20:55 chris :)
20:55 chris generally the assumption is if you want to run from unstable code, you are savvy enough to figure it out, which again may be a false assumption
20:58 * chris_n sure would feel better drinking java rather than writing in it :-)
20:59 schuster OK but noplace does it say where to find these directions or that there are directions.  This is as close as I have found -[…]enny_installation
21:00 chris yep, its an assumption that when peopel download the software, the read the INSTALL file that comes with it
21:00 chris theres no harm in documenting that elsewhere too though
21:01 schuster Just speaking as a librarian interested in running Koha - I think this was my biggest stumbling block was there are no directions to look at telling me where things are.  Read...  What you mean I can't just load it an it will work?
21:02 chris there are directions, you just didnt know where they were :-)
21:02 schuster I've pondered doing it on the wiki, but hesitated wanted to get other peoples thoughts.  It would be very easy under each version to put a copy of the documents there for people to look over BEFORE they download it.
21:02 chris they used to be on the site
21:02 chris along with the download link
21:02 chris but lets not go there
21:02 schuster That is true...  I stumbled upon them late one night when I got frustrated and started looking at files.
21:02 schuster yes let's not as they are not there any longer.
21:03 chris and no way to put them back, so the wiki seems the next best place
21:03 schuster I realized last night that there were new directions for Lenny in the kohaclone directory and what needed to be done with the apt-get setup...  Much easier than the old directions I was following!
21:04 schuster At least when people are trying to install you could refer them to a page and ask if they have read it.
21:04 schuster or should I say the correct instructions.
21:04 chris *nod*
21:05 chris_n @wunder 28334
21:05 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.9�C (4:01 PM EST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 14%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 9 PM this evening to 9 am EST Friday...
21:06 schuster OK I'll work on the 3.0 instructions to the wiki.  I know that Nicole and Owen had some dependancies that they had to add after their installs where those ever included in the directions?
21:06 schuster seems something about snowball? and???
21:06 schuster @wunder 75074
21:06 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is -0.5�C (3:00 PM CST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening...
21:07 chris maybe drop nengard an email, it wouldnt hurt to have the install docs in the koha documentation repo as well
21:07 chris @wunder wellington, nz
21:07 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
21:13 chris_n chris: excellent idea
21:22 * chris_n heads out
21:22 chris_n bbl
21:26 Genji chris: you got time to do a paid install of Koha 3.0.0 RC1 onto a debian system, sometime soonish?
21:26 chris i wish i could say yes
21:26 chris but im swamped
21:26 chris masonj: you about ?
21:26 * Genji nods. "Wish you could too. Bummer. Know anyone else who has done it successfully?"
21:26 chris mason will have the skills to do it
21:27 chris and is in wellington too
21:27 chris not sure how busy he is
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21:27 * Genji nods. "Under $300 USD, and the jobs basically his. Rather trust someone im familiar with than someone who just has a few posts on koha-dev under their name."
21:28 chris yep, mason has been round a while, ex katipod like me
21:29 Genji How come you didn't go back to Katipo?
21:29 chris a few reasons, none of them really anything to do with katipo
21:29 Genji Eh.. probably not my place to ask anyway..... Anyway, $300 USD too much for a install?
21:30 chris the main one being i wanted to work in an office, with young kids
21:30 chris you cant get any work done at home
21:30 chris also catalyst is a lot bigger and i wanted to try my hand at that also
21:30 * Genji nods. "Agreed. one of the reasons why I live alone now."
21:30 chris i would still recommend katipo as an employer to anyone though
21:30 chris they treated me very well
21:31 * Genji nods. "I would apply, but I think I still need alot more learning before Im ready."
21:31 Genji Can't even install koha 3.0 RC1 on debian 5, yet. Im just hitting brick walls.
21:32 chris pm'd ya with masons email
21:35 Genji yup. got it.
21:35 Genji so, $300 usd too much for just an install?
21:36 Genji Seems abit high to me... but im not that experienced to get top dollar anyway.
21:38 Genji Yes? no?
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22:00 masonj heya genji
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22:01 brendan looks like you scared him away masonj
22:02 masonj lol, prolly a network blip...
22:03 masonj i wa going to reply today , on the lists - as i'm curious about a hostgator koha
22:03 masonj i had a hostgator account bout 1 year ago, recommended by chris.c
22:04 masonj and we (chris and i ) had some gotchas with installing stuff
22:06 masonj from memory, the the zebra and yaz setup was the show stopper
22:08 masonj things may have changed since then..
22:16 masonj .
22:18 masonj i was using a 'baby-croc?' HG option tho, which was some restricted chrooted shell thing
22:18 chilts I think all shared hosting is a chrooted shell
22:18 chilts same on A2Hosting
22:19 masonj right, and bluehost etc...
22:19 chilts ah Bluehost was the one I was trying to remember earlier :)
22:19 chilts (completely separate topic)
22:20 masonj sounds like genji has some xen-VM option from HG
22:21 chilts yeah, HG just started doing VPSs late last year
22:22 masonj i recently did a koha3 install on a rackspace xen-VM, was pretty straight-forward
22:23 hdl_laptop good night folks
22:23 chilts I guess you get full control there having root
22:23 brendan night hdl_laptop
22:24 masonj night hdl
22:31 moodaepo @wunder 56001
22:31 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -16.6�C (4:28 PM CST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 6 PM CST this evening...
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22:44 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
22:44 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -13.9�C (4:42 PM CST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -23.0�C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030.4 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening...
22:44 chris_n2 @wunder north pole, alaska
22:44 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -15.6�C (1:41 PM AKST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -60.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Steady).
22:46 wizzyrea @wunder McMurdo Station, antarctica
22:46 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -2.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
22:46 wizzyrea ugh, you're killin me
22:46 chris_n2 heh
22:46 wizzyrea it's effin cold here
22:46 chris_n2 @convert
22:46 munin chris_n2: (convert [<number>] <unit> to <other unit>) -- Converts from <unit> to <other unit>. If number isn't given, it defaults to 1. For unit information, see 'units' command.
22:47 wizzyrea ok, i'm leaving before it gets dark and all of the idiots hit the street
22:47 wizzyrea :)
22:47 wizzyrea ttyl
22:47 chris_n2 @convert -13.9 centigrade to Fahrenheit
22:47 munin chris_n2: Error: centigrade is not a valid unit.
22:47 chris_n2 ttyl
22:47 chris_n2 @convert -13.9 Celsius to Fahrenheit
22:47 munin chris_n2: 6.98
22:49 brendan @wunder 93117
22:49 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.5�C (2:42 PM PST on January 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
22:50 chris_n2 no snow there, eh brendan
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