IRC log for #koha, 2010-01-08

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00:03 Nate goodnight #koha
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03:39 Amit heya chris, chris_n2, brendan
03:39 chris_n2 ehlo Amit
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04:19 chobbs Anyone awake?
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04:20 chris_n2 nobody but us chickens
04:21 chobbs Considering moving our K12 district off our commercial library system to Koha. Looking for war stories, insights, etc from those that have done it before.
04:25 chobbs Hmmm. Is there a better time for me to chat with other users?
04:29 chris_n2 chobbs: where are you located?
04:30 chobbs California - obviously too late for most US folks :)
04:31 chris_n2 chobbs: there are quite a few around who have migrated off of proprietary ILSs onto Koha
04:31 chris_n2 I'm sure they would be glad to tell you how it went
04:31 chobbs It's been about 7 years since I last looked at Koha - looks like it's matured a lot.
04:31 chris_n2 you could post to the mailing list as well
04:31 chris_n2 yeah, we're gearing up for the 3.2 release
04:31 chobbs I'll try checking in during the regular (US) work day
04:32 chris_n2 there are some major improvements in it
04:32 chobbs You're one of the devs?
04:32 chris_n2 yup
04:32 chobbs Cool.
04:33 chobbs Downloaded Kyle Hall's vm and messing around with it a bit now.
04:34 chris_n2 chobbs: take a look through these list search results:[…]uery=migrate+koha
04:34 chris_n2 I think there may be a few stories there
04:34 chobbs Great, thanks.
04:34 chris_n2 a vm install is probably the quickest/easiest way to check things out
04:34 chobbs Looks like that'll keep me busy reading for a bit.
04:35 chris_n2 feel free to drop in any time here as well
04:36 chris_n2 there are more US folks on earlier in our day
04:44 * chris_n2 heads off to sleep
04:44 chobbs thanks for the tips - later
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06:50 Ropuch Morning #koha
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09:34 chipsy hi uys
09:37 chipsy how long will it take cpan to install Net::Server cos mine ran for 24hrs but still at make test
09:39 chilts should be faster than 24hrs
09:39 chilts probably about 23hrs 58mins faster
09:39 chilts try it again :)
09:42 chipsy is this a joke?
09:45 chris 22:45 ~ $ time sudo cpan Net::Server
09:45 chris real0m23.097s
09:45 chris user0m8.149s
09:45 chris sys0m0.992s
09:45 chris thats how long it took
09:45 chris under 30 seconds
09:46 chris RHANDOM/Net-Server-0.97.tar.gz
09:46 chris /usr/bin/make install -j3 -- OK
09:46 chris so if its taking more than a few minutes something is definetly wrong
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10:15 kf hi #koha
10:16 imp heyho kf
10:16 kf hi imp
10:42 Ropuch Hello kf, imp
10:42 imp hi Ropuch
10:43 imp @wunder hannover germany
10:43 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is -6.0�C (11:20 AM CET on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
10:44 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:44 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.2�C (11:40 AM CET on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady).
10:50 kf oh, and hi Ropuch!
10:51 nicomo hi all hi kf
10:51 nicomo @wunder lyon france
10:51 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is -0.4�C (11:00 AM CET on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1003.6 hPa (Steady).
10:51 nicomo and snowing
10:51 nicomo :-(
10:51 kf but warmer than in hannover and Konstanz ;)
10:52 kf hi nicomo
10:52 nicomo yes, warmer, but I'll still stay home :-)
10:58 imp hehe
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11:02 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai
11:02 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (4:10 PM IST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
11:02 imp Conditions: Smoke oO
11:02 greenmang0 imp: yeah ;)
11:03 imp smoke, like smog?
11:27 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
11:27 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (11:50 AM CET on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Snow Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
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11:28 chipsy hi u said make install -j3 --OK
11:28 chipsy but it still got hook at make test
11:29 chipsy cos cpan try to install
11:37 Amit heya chipsy, kf, nicomo
11:39 kf hi Amit
11:45 Amit @wunder Bangalore India
11:45 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (2:30 PM IST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 16.0�C.
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11:53 greenmang0 imp: dont' really know :)
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12:28 davi Who proposed to use a Sun Java videoconference applet for the next Koha meeting?
12:28 davi It is a bad idea.
12:29 davi Which one was proposed? Is there some URL?
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12:54 chris_n g'morning #koha
12:54 chris_n @wunder 28334
12:54 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 3.4�C (7:50 AM EST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 998.9 hPa (Steady).
12:54 chris_n heat wave :-)
12:55 kf hi chris_n
12:55 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:55 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.2�C (1:50 PM CET on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Steady).
12:55 jwagner @wunder 20740
12:55 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is -3.3�C (7:53 AM EST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
12:55 chris_n howdy kf and jwagner
12:55 jwagner g'morning
12:56 chris_n jwagner: did you all get that label search problem figured out?
12:56 jwagner Haven't had a chance to try yet -- it's a little ways down the priority queue.
12:56 jwagner I'll let you know what happens.
12:56 chris_n great; yeah, I know about the priority queue :-P
12:57 chris_n just let me know if there's anything else I can throw a pair of eyes on for you
12:57 jwagner quote "I want it all and I want it NOW" -- sound familiar?
12:58 chris_n yup
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12:58 chris_n or even "I want it yesterday"
12:58 jwagner Yep.  Got some of them on the list too
12:58 chris_n g'morning jdavidb
12:58 jdavidb Happy Friday!  woot!
12:59 kf morning jdavidb and jwagner
12:59 jwagner Guten tag kf
13:06 nengard jdavidb - holy cow!!! I had no idea it was Friday!!
13:06 nengard how sad is that!??
13:06 nengard morning all!
13:07 * jdavidb hands nengard a big mug of hot cocoa.
13:08 jdavidb I had that problem when I worked at home.  'specially since I tend to work at least a little bit seven days a week.  Here, at least, there are the days I work where I don't go to the office, and the days I do.
13:12 nengard yeah - that's pretty much it - I'm always working :)  but I should still know it's Friday which means I get my hubby at home for 2 whole days :) heeh
13:18 nengard seems that a lot of people are using MarcEdit with Koha - it's a shame it's not open source cause then maybe we could write some connectors or something to make it a little bit easier
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13:21 Nate Hello Everyone!
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13:22 * chris_n seems to recall schuster suggesting that some sort of z3950 connection could be had between Koha and MarcEdit
13:22 chris_n hi Nate
13:22 Nate hi chris_n
13:23 chris_n nicole:[…]ow-p27064660.html
13:29 nengard chris_n - ooo - I need to pick his brain and get some documentation on that for others
13:29 nengard hi Nate
13:30 Nate hi nengard!
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13:30 chris_n speaking of schuster :-)
13:30 nengard schuster did you know we were talking about you???
13:30 nengard hehe
13:30 chris_n hi david
13:31 nengard let's catch schuster up
13:31 nengard [08:18]  <nengard> seems that a lot of people are using MarcEdit with Koha - it's a shame it's not open source cause then maybe we could write some connectors or something to make it a little bit easier
13:31 nengard [08:23]  <chris_n> nicole:[…]ow-p27064660.html
13:31 nengard [08:29]  <nengard> chris_n - ooo - I need to pick his brain and get some documentation on that for others
13:31 nengard So - schuster - got any documentation you can share???
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13:31 jdavidb poor schuster.  Walks in the door, and gets waylaid.
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13:32 jwagner give him time to get some caffiene, why don'tcha???
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13:34 schuster Hey...
13:35 schuster Let me check on a couple of things...  My presentation last year had some documentation with it..  take a look at this for starters
13:35 schuster[…]ceditschuster.pdf
13:37 nengard thanks
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13:37 nengard jwagner - no caffine :) if you logged in without it then be ready to be nagged by the documentation manager :) hehe
13:38 schuster hmmm that's not opening for me this morning or it's really big.  Let me dig some more and I'll send you some stuff.  I need to do some further testing with it on the upload aspect does it really index etc...
13:38 nengard schuster it opened for me and it's great
13:38 jwagner nengard, you're such a bully :-(
13:39 nengard aww :(
13:39 jwagner it locked up for me.
13:39 schuster I was able to pull stuff out of my database at the conference and show how it worked a little.  Terry has a new version out this month and it is supposed to be more linyx friendly.
13:39 nengard schuster I think you were speaking at the same time as me so I missed your talk
13:39 schuster Ah that would probably be accurate as you were a very busy person!
13:40 schuster nengard - are you going to be at ALA?
13:40 nengard ALA yes - ALA midwinter no
13:41 nengard I'm speaking at ALA, PLA and SLA this year
13:41 nengard hitting all of the biggies ;)
13:43 chris_n schuster: did you get your PDF::API2 problem worked out?
13:43 schuster No I went to bed after posting my plea. - and as you can see I just got to the office and barely finished a quarter of my first cup of coffee...
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13:44 schuster I was just going to say nengard realized it's Friday and how much she wanted to accomplish this week ;)
13:44 schuster I'm that way myself I have several todos that need to get DONE today.
13:44 * chris_n is not one to come between a person and his/her coffee :-)
13:44 nengard :)
13:45 nengard as someone who doesn't do coffee - I don't get the importance :)
13:46 schuster @wunder 75074
13:46 chris_n s/coffee/whatever-gets-you-goin​g-first-thing-in-the-morning/g
13:46 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is -9.3�C (7:29 AM CST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am CST this morning...
13:46 nengard chris_n -- waking up gets me going ... that's it :)
13:46 chris_n lol
13:46 schuster we texas folk are COLD...  i know it might not mean much to you all, but man I've been out of Minnesota for awhile!
13:46 nengard hehe
13:47 nengard they say that the artic chill should be out of your area next week and in ours
13:47 nengard so hang in there, it's almost over
13:48 nengard well - going to grab some breakfast - be right back
13:51 jwagner Got a bibloading puzzler for you.  One of my sites says that occasionally a MARC import (file downloaded from OCLC Connexion) strips off the 6xx fields.  So far I don't have an actual data file from one of those uploads, just a file of records reassembled after the fact.  It loads fine & all the 6xx fields are there.
13:52 jwagner I can't think of any circumstance in which Koha would strip 6xx fields from an import.  Has anyone else ever seen it?
13:53 schuster chris_n - when I do the make clean in that directory I got a make *** No rule to make target 'clean'. Stop.
13:54 jdavidb @wunder 20852
13:54 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -2.7�C (8:43 AM EST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Falling).
13:54 chris_n schuster: np, go ahead and do 'perl Makefile.PL'
13:55 chris_n then 'make'
13:55 chris_n and 'make test'
13:55 schuster jwagner - is that site stripping based on indicator so that they don't get any non LC type headings?
13:56 jwagner Not that I know of -- nothing on the Koha end, anyway.  They're using a combined match rule I set up but otherwise it's pretty vanilla.
13:56 schuster Thanks chris_n that worked now on to try and fix the otherone the same way..
13:56 chris_n schuster: don't forget to 'make install'... :)
14:00 schuster OK so the XML::LibXSLT 1.59 error with the same type of output what file name would I be looking for to attempt the same thing?
14:01 chris_n check /root/.cpan/build for a subdir with XML-LibXSLT in the name
14:02 chris_n cd into that one and do 'perl Makefile.PL' et al
14:08 brendan morning all
14:08 chris_n heya brendan
14:08 brendan look's like I've got a little bit of "scroll-back" to go through this morning.  :)
14:11 schuster ok so the well phoey - I'm getting cant find -lgdbm and can't put that computer on the network so will have to wait until I get home over the weekend to attempt to fix that piece.
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14:13 schuster Looking back over my notes it says to do the /kohaclone/misc/ and you should see XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser=HASH(0x81fe220)
14:13 chris_n schuster: be sure to install the dev libraries for libgdbm
14:14 schuster if you don't it says looks bad check Install documentation - well I end up with XML::SAX::Expat=HASH(0xa0b1588)
14:14 chris_n libgdbm-dev
14:14 schuster that is just a sudo apt-get libgdbm-dev correct?
14:14 chris_n right
14:15 schuster This sax parser thing always gets me in trouble...
14:15 chris_n the other is the default parser "problem"
14:16 schuster so if I get the XML-LibXSLT piece fixed are you saying it will fix the sax parser error?
14:16 chris_n not necessarily
14:17 chris_n there is an ini file somewhere that sets that up iirc
14:19 chris_n schuster:[…]tchpad#sax_parser
14:19 schuster Ah yes found the ini file so I just comment out the lines I don't want?
14:19 schuster YEAH that fixed that!!!
14:20 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "ParserDetails.ini" (7 lines) at
14:20 chris_n schuster: ^^
14:20 chris_n there's mine
14:20 chris_n fwiw
14:21 schuster Ok now I have a couple of other questions for the group...  How can you tell if Pazpar is setup on an existing system?
14:21 * chris_n is in the dark on that one
14:23 schuster I also like the idea of the Memoize - but it requires a ??? server??? is there information someplace about that in setting one up or???  What are others doing about it?
14:27 schuster OK hopefully getting that libgdm-dev installed this weekend will fix my problem.  Thanks again chris_n...  I owe you...
14:28 chris_n schuster: Memoize can be run on the same server as Koha afaik
14:29 chris_n that is chris c's baby
14:29 chris_n so you might question him about getting it set up
14:29 schuster yeah I've seen that in the IRC hmmm...  have to chat with him later about it.
14:29 chris_n it sounds very cool, though and will allow some neat things to be done which cannot atm
14:30 schuster yeah that's what has me wondering about a couple of things based on what I have read so far.
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16:23 * chris_n makes the final large push of patron card creator code to his public repo
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16:24 nengard chris_n woo hoo
16:25 chris_n and invites all comers to test it :-)
16:26 brendan @wunder 93117
16:26 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 10.3�C (8:21 AM PST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Rising).
16:26 brendan chris_n - do you have that available to look at yet?
16:28 chris_n not on a publicly available test server; only in my github repo
16:28 chris_n git://
16:28 brendan ah ok thanks :)
16:29 nengard chris_n - now we just need some docs :)
16:29 chris_n still one or two cosmetic things to be done, but it is pretty much as it will be
16:30 chris_n except for the docs, that is ;-)
16:30 chris_n nengard: I have to figure out how it works first :-D
16:30 nengard oh don't tell us that
16:30 nengard you wrote something and don't know how it works?? :)
16:31 brendan heh
16:31 * chris_n feels like he just finished up a text only version of gimp :-P
16:39 Ropuch libasciiart gimp
16:39 Ropuch Reminds me watching movie on mplayer with -vo ascii ;>
16:39 brendan should call it timp
16:41 imp how about libcaca? (, but it seams to be down right now :/)
16:41 Ropuch ;>
16:41 imp sorry,
16:41 Ropuch I've never played with libcaca
16:42 imp same here, but it's on my todolist :)
16:42 Ropuch Just aalib - been there, done that, got a tshirt
16:43 Ropuch
16:43 Ropuch Seems pretty easy
16:44 imp aalib on the first half of the page and libcaca on the rest :D
16:49 chris_n wow, just what I wanted to do with my spare time ;-)
16:51 Ropuch hehe
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19:41 brendan @wunder 93117
19:41 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.9�C (11:37 AM PST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Falling).
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19:44 chris_n brendan: one other note; if you decide to test the card creator you'll need to grab a modified copy of PDF::Reuse from here: git://
19:45 chris_n the maintainer has accepted the changes, but has yet to role a new release
19:45 brendan ok - thanks
19:45 brendan @seen paul_p
19:45 munin brendan: paul_p was last seen in #koha 1 day, 9 hours, 58 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: * paul_p head to train station. See you next monday !
19:45 brendan @later tell paul_p Happy Birthday on Jan 9!  Enjoy
19:45 munin brendan: The operation succeeded.
20:03 chris_n @wunder 28334
20:03 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 1.3�C (2:58 PM EST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Rising).
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21:14 schuster brendan here?
21:14 brendan I am
21:14 brendan hi schuster
21:14 schuster Just tied calling you.
21:14 schuster tried.
21:14 brendan ok I'll try and give you a call
22:13 brendan @wunder 93117
22:13 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.5�C (2:07 PM PST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady).
22:13 moodaepo @wunder 56001
22:13 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -19.1�C (4:08 PM CST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -22.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033.1 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until midnight CST tonight...
22:13 brendan ok chris - my highwater mark for today is 19.5 - let's see if you can beat that
22:13 brendan oh wow moodaepo
22:13 brendan delete the minus sign and you'd be here
22:14 moodaepo : ) Yea I'm just a watcher ok Koha but for my weather announcements!
22:14 brendan excellent
22:14 moodaepo brendan: Yea that's why I seem to be attracted to looking at the weather here every time you do.
22:14 brendan heh
22:16 schuster @wunder 75074
22:16 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is -1.9�C (3:59 PM CST on January 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling).
22:17 schuster as I get ready to wonder outside to go home for the weekend!  I see in Minnesota they don't even calculate Windchill anymore!  HA!
22:19 schuster by everyone
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