IRC log for #koha, 2009-12-28

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03:31 Amit hi chris
03:31 Amit morning all
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04:11 indradg @wunder kolkata
04:11 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 15.0�C (9:20 AM IST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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04:33 CGI645 hi amit...
04:33 Amit hi indradg
04:34 CGI645 this is sivab amit..
04:34 Amit hi CGI645
04:35 CGI645 i am able to connect to my opac and admin pages...but the browser responds...trying to open a u want to save or stuff...and for admin page it says koha error...koha 3 on debian linux...
04:36 CGI645 amit...i have been with this for more than 10 days or so...some forward movement...but still want to get this one running..kindly help..
04:39 CGI645 brendan....koha 3 on deb etch.. could u clarify my installation issues...
04:39 Amit whr u stuck
04:43 CGI645 amit....when i type locallhost or ip to access the opac it says tyring to open a file of type PL file and for admin page access: koha error fatal error...compilation aborted at line 85....
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04:45 CGI645 amit...
04:47 CGI645 amit u there...
04:48 brendan hi amit
04:48 Amit hi brendan
04:48 Amit yes
04:50 CGI645 amit my error messages??
04:51 Amit y
04:51 CGI645 really getting to me !!! u in india...
04:54 CGI645 amit...
04:56 CGI645 russ problems with koha 3 on deb etch...could u clarify....
04:57 Amit yes
05:05 CGI645 no way for me to move forward or what??
05:06 CGI645 ne reasons for the errors that i listed............
05:09 CGI645 hi ropuch...
05:17 CGI645 amit
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05:38 CGI645 frederic1 hi could u help me with koha 3 on deb etch installation....
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05:45 crackjack Hello alll.....Its a chilling gud morining from Nepal
05:48 crackjack I need help in displaying conditional variables in my search.tmpl
05:48 crackjack how can I do it??
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06:08 crackjack How can I check whether I have "YES" or "NO" in my 953 'a' field data
06:19 CGI645 crackjack.....could u help me with koha installationon deb etch...
06:19 crackjack sure
06:19 crackjack do you have a manual???
06:21 CGI645 i trty accessing the opac page.... the browser says trying to open PL file and admin page the browser says fatal error....compilation aborted at line failed to locate.....
06:22 CGI645 i have followed all the steps in the debian.INSTALL file....
06:22 CGI645 some of them went thru with warnings....
06:22 CGI645 earlier i was not able to connect to the opac and server that issue is thru...
06:22 crackjack have you made the installation complete???
06:23 CGI645 my issue?
06:23 CGI645 an't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 30.BEGIN fail
06:24 CGI645 thats the actual error message....
06:24 CGI645 crack....i am with it for the past week or more...kindly help me to get done with it....
06:25 CGI645 yes i went thru all the steps....of the installation with warnings some guess the yaz and zebra have not got installed properly...not sure...this is based on my readings over the net on koha...
06:27 CGI645 crack u there...
06:27 crackjack ok
06:28 crackjack it seems that installation with errors
06:28 crackjack did you select zebra or no zebra?
06:28 CGI645 zebra was selected...
06:28 CGI645 so the stuff will work withotu zebra as well?
06:28 crackjack and what was the warning like?
06:29 CGI645 should i repeat those steps without zebra...and try...
06:29 crackjack no
06:29 crackjack tell me what you did when you started the web installer
06:30 crackjack it asked for username and password?
06:30 crackjack asked for language selection
06:30 CGI645 i am not able to load the opac and admin pages... successfully.....
06:30 CGI645 i cudnt go thru these steps...
06:31 crackjack you cannot load the opac and admin pages until you have successfully completed the web installer steos
06:31 crackjack http://your-ip:your-port
06:31 crackjack did you do that?
06:31 CGI645 i type my ip:port the koha error occurs....
06:32 crackjack what is the error?
06:32 CGI645 fatal error....n't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line
06:34 crackjack it means that you have error in your make install step
06:34 crackjack you are using KOHA 3 right?
06:34 CGI645 yes....
06:34 CGI645 koha 3...
06:34 CGI645 should i reinstall...
06:34 crackjack ya
06:34 CGI645 but i get those warnings... again..
06:35 crackjack first delete all the contents from /usr/share/koha
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06:35 crackjack then remove all the zebra server links and koha site links form /etc/koha
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06:36 CGI645 neother links to be removed...
06:37 CGI645 i have removed all the contents in the two dirs....the dir is empty now...should i repeat the installation steps starting from PERL Makefile.PL
06:39 crackjack extract a fresh copy on KOHA first
06:39 crackjack and then run PERL Makefile.PL
06:39 crackjack look for errors and warning having ***
06:41 CGI645 yes there were warnings in it...
06:42 crackjack can you read that warning for me
06:43 CGI645 yes one minute....
06:44 CGI645 prerequisite Algorithm::CheckDigits 0.5 not found. and warnings like this.....but nothing ****
06:44 CGI645 prerequisite YAML::Syck 0.71 not found.
06:46 CGI645 crack i shall join u later....cud u pass on ur email id...thanx...
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08:39 CGI361 hi
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10:45 crackjack can anyone help me display conditional variables in template?
10:46 crackjack I want a link to be displayed in search results only if the field 953 'a' has "YES"
10:46 crackjack how can I do this?
10:55 crackjack anyone here knows how to display links in template according to conditions
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11:36 crackjack can anyone help me display conditional variables in template?
11:36 crackjack I want a link to be displayed in search results only if the field 953 'a' has "YES"
11:36 crackjack how can I do this?
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13:09 indradg @wunder kolkata
13:09 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 18.0�C (6:20 PM IST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
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13:10 jdavidb @wunder 20852
13:10 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 0.8�C (8:03 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling).
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13:26 jwagner @wunder 20740
13:26 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 2.0�C (8:23 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Rising).
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13:48 nengard morning all
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13:53 jwagner Morning nengard
13:54 owen Back to work.
13:55 owen nengard: Looks like a few people are actually responding to your "remind" bug statuses
13:56 nengard I know!!
13:56 nengard I love it!!
13:56 jwagner A little nagging does wonders sometimes....
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14:25 nengard owen, i tried to tackle bug 2969 yesterday  -but apparently my js knowledge isn't good enough  -is this an easy fix you can do?
14:25 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, P3, ---,, NEW, Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports
14:26 brendan @wunder 04103
14:26 munin brendan: The current temperature in North Deering, Portland, Maine is 0.1�C (9:15 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling).
14:26 owen nengard: I could see about adding some js validation, but that would only be half a fix I think
14:26 owen There should be server-side logic to back it up
14:28 nengard ah
14:28 nengard okay
14:31 jwagner The SQL field is required -- make the report name the same way?
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14:39 nengard jwagner - yeah that might do it
14:41 owen anyone know why I would be getting this message when trying to place a hold in the staff client? "No copies are available to be placed on hold"
14:41 owen There's definitely one copy available.
14:43 jwagner Obvious first things to check -- are on-shelf holds allowed, does that item type allow holds, etc.
14:44 owen Oh, on-shelf holds! I didn't realize that was turned off by default.
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14:47 owen As far as anyone knows, should a single "default" issuing rule work for all patrons at all branches?
14:48 * owen is still being told he has too many holds.
14:48 jwagner owen, you're talking about setting a rule at the top-most level of the circ rules?  Not going into a library first?  I had trouble getting that to work when I tried it, but that was a while back.
14:49 owen Right, I have numbers set for default patron category, default item type, default library
14:49 owen I guess I'll try adding some lines
14:49 jwagner owen, regarding problems placing holds, if this is in OPAC, see Bug 3785
14:49 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3785 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, New Install, no maxreserves setting, OPAC holds fail
14:53 owen Hm, applying that patch doesn't solve my problem (before adding any additional issuing rules)
14:56 owen Can't place a hold even after adding an issuing rule for my patron/branch/itemtype *and* applying that patch
14:59 jwagner If you set an equivalent circ rule under the library, does it work?
15:00 owen Do you mean under "defaults for this library?"
15:00 jwagner In circ rules, instead of at top level, select the appropriate library & create the rule.
15:01 owen Yeah, that's what I meant about adding a rule for my patron/branch/itemtype. I've got a rule for my branch, my patron category, and the itemtype in question.
15:01 jwagner I'm running out of ideas :-(
15:14 owen Hmmm... Bug 2575: A bug in adding patron attribute fields in an unknown version of IE on Vista, not reproduceable on XP in FF3 or IE7?
15:14 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2575 normal, P3, ---,, RESOLVED REMIND, Non-superlibrarian staff cannot add/modify new patron attibute fields in Vista
15:14 owen I think there are limits...
15:14 imp @wunder berlin
15:14 munin imp: Error: No such location could be found.
15:14 imp @wunder berlin germany
15:14 munin imp: Error: No such location could be found.
15:14 jwagner There are limits in the circ rules, but the default is From Any Library (should be, anyway).
15:14 imp oO
15:19 nengard owen - i have that issue to
15:19 owen nengard: The holds issue?
15:19 nengard basically circ rules aren't saving and so you can't place holds if there are no rules - yes the holds issue
15:20 nengard haven't seen a patch for that yet ...
15:20 nengard off to find the bug i reported
15:21 nengard bug 3861
15:21 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3861 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Can't Place Holds in OPAC
15:21 nengard and bug 3864
15:21 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client
15:22 nengard oh wait - i don't think i reported my other bug!!!
15:22 nengard can't find it ... hmm
15:22 owen Bug 3870
15:22 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3870 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---,, NEW, Can't add circulation and fines rules
15:22 nengard yes, that's the one owen
15:22 nengard thanks
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15:24 owen 3870  says patch-sent, but I can't find the patch
15:26 nengard yup .... me neither
15:26 owen Wait, I think this is it: [PATCH] Bug with update database, was causing finedays not to add, which broke adding issuingrules related to bug 3864
15:26 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client
15:27 owen[…]ember/004988.html
15:28 owen And I manually updated my database according to that patch
15:29 nengard owen - did it solve the problem?
15:29 owen No
15:29 nengard bleh
15:31 owen Yeah, I've got a patchwork of suggestions and fixes none of which are working :(
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15:46 hilongo hello there owen , nengard
15:47 owen Hello hilongo
15:47 hilongo which version of koha are you working with?
15:47 owen The latest development version
15:48 hilongo ahh ... great :)
15:48 hilongo I'm about to upgrade one production server to 3.04 and suddenly got nervous
15:48 hilongo :P
15:49 nengard hilongo - you should skip 3.0.4 and go to 3.0.5 :)
15:49 hilongo is it out ?
15:50 hilongo stable, I mean
15:52 owen Yes:
15:52 nengard owen - it's not on - i thought it was only on koha-fr
15:52 hilongo downloading
15:53 owen nengard: It's on now
15:53 nengard found it
15:53 hilongo yes ... it is
15:53 owen ...just not shown as such on the home page :(
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15:54 nengard :)
15:54 nengard wrong smily
16:03 nelsonf hi everyone.  I've been struggling with e-mail ODUE notification for some time.  Our Linux gurus installed Postfix and I think put the pl script in crontab, but I'm not receiving e-mails.  I'm pretty sure the pl script was run manually to generate the e-mails.  I'd appreciate any feedback...
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16:17 wizzyrea um, good morning? very quiet!
16:17 owen We were having a 13-minute moment of silence for your goose.
16:20 wizzyrea !!
16:21 owen Okay, back to work everyone!
16:21 wizzyrea lol
16:24 nelsonf we've got lots of patron types and runs thru all of them, repeatedly for each fo the 4 branches, even though only one patron type for one branch is set to receive the ODUE notices.
16:25 wizzyrea nengard: you there chica?
16:25 nengard wizzyrea yup yup - patching patching :)
16:25 wizzyrea okies, I think I see what happened with the note
16:25 nengard awesome!
16:25 wizzyrea it was part of new acq, it was in and then the template that I changed was overwritten
16:25 wizzyrea so I'll fix it again
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16:25 wizzyrea ;)
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16:29 nengard awesome - thanks wizzyrea
16:35 wizzyrea hm. I get an error 500 whenever I try to get the acquisitions on my install
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16:36 wizzyrea nm I found it :P
16:37 jwagner nelsonf, is the problem that overdues aren't being generated, or that they're being generated for patrons not set to get them?
16:37 owen *whew* made it through all the new bugzilla emails, but my inbox is still filled with stuff to look at.
16:38 nelsonf not being generated.  I'm trying to set up tests by checking out books  for myself, to trigger notices, but no notices forthcoming
16:39 nengard sorry for all the emails owen :) but thanks for checking those!!!
16:39 owen No, thank you for all the emails!
16:41 nelsonf jwagner, I run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/ -t -n -v and can see the patron type and branch output.  should I show you this?
16:42 wizzyrea hmm. I actually don't particularly like this new suggestion interface :(
16:42 jwagner nelsonf, not sure we can troubleshoot here -- need lots of info.  Doublecheck your triggers and make sure your overdue date (with grace period) matches the trigger date.  I always have trouble dialing it in.
16:43 nelsonf how does the grace period factor in?
16:44 jwagner Come to think of it, does grace period affect overdue notices, or fines?  Anyone?
16:49 nelsonf I have a fine grace period of 3 days, and fine charging interval of 7 days, for my patron/branch type.  I've been working off the idea that if a book is due yesterday -- with Delay 1 for ODUE, I then should receive an e-mail today.
16:52 jwagner Does the patron category say Yes for receiving overdues?
16:53 nelsonf Yes.  For testing, my patron category (LIB-S) is the only one that says Yes.  We have many (10?) patron types, all say No but LIB-S.
16:53 wizzyrea nengard: like so?/
16:54 nengard wizzyrea looks good to me
16:54 nengard also make sure it goes to the edit suggestion form as well
16:54 nengard click on the title in your suggestion there and see if it's in the form
16:54 wizzyrea not sure why you'd want to sort on that, will have to fix that
16:54 wizzyrea yea, it's there
16:54 nengard awesome
16:55 wizzyrea at the bottom, Notes
16:55 wizzyrea cool, I'll get this ready to send :)
16:55 wizzyrea thanks for catching that
16:57 nelsonf jwagner, In trigger screen ( I'm assigning Delay numbers in the Default library.  All other libraries show Delay null and Letter "No notice".  Actually one other patron type lists Yes to receive ODUE, but this is set to Delay null and Letter "No notice" for all three letters.
16:58 jwagner Try setting the delay under the actual library instead of under the top default level.  per my earlier discussion with owen, I've had problems with doing the setup at the default level.
16:59 nelsonf okay.  then I Save Changes, run the pl script from PutTY and the e-mail should be generated manually?
16:59 jwagner With luck....
17:04 nelsonf do I also need to run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjob​s/ -v to generate the actual e-mail?
17:04 jwagner Yes
17:04 nelsonf fingers crossed...
17:15 nelsonf just looking at the sql output, I see Returns 0 rows for each of the 3 passes on CFCE | LIB-S.  FYI, I set Delay to 6,7,8 and see output (6,7) for first pass, then (7,8), then (8,90).  No e-mail apparently generated.  I have items due 19,20,21,22 December.
17:17 nelsonf Oops, thats (7,8) - no emoticon.
17:19 jwagner nelsonf, I'm out of ideas -- anyone else?
17:20 nelsonf thanks for offering suggestions on my current grail search!
17:34 nelsonf a related question?  for PREDUE advance notices I can't get check box to show up under the patron messaging tab.  I only have blanks (a dash -, actually) for SMS/Email/Digest only, and RSS.  However, on the Item DUE row I see check boxes for SMS/Email/Digest only.  Maybe my version doesn't support this feature?
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17:36 chris owen: you about?
17:36 owen Yes
17:38 nelsonf In the manual I see "bug #2455" and "IMPORTANT: This feature is still experimental", so maybe I should leave well enough alone for now![…]sagingpreferences
17:38 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2455 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, remove SMS column from patron messaging preferences if SMSSendDriver is not defined
17:38 pastebot "chris" at pasted "issuingrules" (21 lines) at
17:39 chris does your issuingrules table look like that?
17:39 brendan howdy chris
17:39 brendan cya all later
17:39 brendan :)
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17:39 owen chris: yes
17:40 chris and you still cant add circulation rules?
17:40 nengard hi chris
17:40 chris http://librarian.koha.workbuff[…]in/
17:40 owen chris: sorry, the whole issue is getting muddled. Yes, I can add circ rules. But I still can't place holds
17:40 chris ahh totally different bug
17:41 owen chris: Yes, but I had to modify the issuingrules table by hand just to be able to add circ rules
17:41 owen So yes, the issuingrules table bug exists.
17:41 nengard chris me too - mine looks like that and i can't add rules
17:41 owen It just doesn't solve my problem all by itself.
17:43 chris well adding that column fixes adding rules, at least for owen and I
17:43 chris owen: reserves from opac or staff side?
17:43 owen Staff side is what I was testing
17:44 owen I'd have to apply your bug-fix for OPAC holds in order to test that... All these pending patches!
17:44 chris k, dont worry about opac
17:45 chris right can you do a select * from issuingrules and paste it?
17:46 pastebot "chris" at pasted "issuingrules" (8 lines) at
17:46 pastebot "owen" at pasted "select * from issuingrules;" (16 lines) at
17:47 chris right, can you try one thing for me
17:48 chris add a rule with default patron category and an itemtype (whatever itemtype you were trying to place a hold on)
17:48 chris with 50 reserves set
17:49 chris also on this page
17:49 chris http://librarian.koha.workbuff[…]de=ADULT&branch=*
17:49 chris what is the hold policy?
17:50 chris (i have from any library)
17:52 owen Sorry chris, if I don't leave I won't have time for lunch before I have to work at another branch today. Can we pick this up tomorrow?
17:52 chris yep
17:52 owen thanks
17:52 * owen hates to walk out on some good help!
17:52 * owen will be back in a bit, but without his testing setup
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19:27 SelfishMan o hai
19:27 SelfishMan I knew this window was hiding somehwere
19:29 chris heh
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19:50 rhcl @seen kyle
19:50 munin rhcl: kyle was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <kyle> A late thought, instead of having a version number battle, why not move to a date based versioning system like Ubuntu? Koha 9.12?
19:51 rhcl Kyle has done some amazing work with libki.
19:52 chris yeah its pretty cool
19:52 rhcl do you use it at all?
19:55 chris nope, but ive seen it in action
19:55 chris it knocks the socks off most of the proprietary alternatives
19:57 wizzyrea rhcl have you used libki?
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20:19 chris wb nengard
20:20 rhcl We're just starting to play with it. My tech assistant got the server part up and running in just a couple of hours, but we don't have any clients set up yet.
20:20 rhcl Looks really cool--the "koha integration" is a nice little touch.
20:21 rhcl It's all php, and the server seems to run just fine on Mint and my OpenSuse connection.
20:22 rhcl It's much more logically organized than some other access control systems.
20:23 wizzyrea that sounds great
20:23 wizzyrea no print management though, right?
20:24 rhcl I don't think so???
20:24 rhcl That seems to be an open frontier in the OS world...lots of opportunities????
20:26 rhcl I do know that Userful takes their product and integrates it with the PC-Cop printer control system, so maybe that could be done (would require some additional coding I'm sure) with libki and PC-Cop.
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20:36 chris printing is such a nightmare
20:36 chris i dont think anyone wants to touch it
20:37 chris it sounds easy, until you have to deal with all the exceptions
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20:42 wizzyrea ugh, yea, printing is so evill
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