Time Nick Message 20:42 wizzyrea ugh, yea, printing is so evill 20:37 chris it sounds easy, until you have to deal with all the exceptions 20:36 chris i dont think anyone wants to touch it 20:36 chris printing is such a nightmare 20:26 rhcl I do know that Userful takes their product and integrates it with the PC-Cop printer control system, so maybe that could be done (would require some additional coding I'm sure) with libki and PC-Cop. 20:24 rhcl That seems to be an open frontier in the OS world...lots of opportunities???? 20:24 rhcl I don't think so??? 20:23 wizzyrea no print management though, right? 20:23 wizzyrea that sounds great 20:22 rhcl It's much more logically organized than some other access control systems. 20:21 rhcl It's all php, and the server seems to run just fine on Mint and my OpenSuse connection. 20:20 rhcl Looks really cool--the "koha integration" is a nice little touch. 20:20 rhcl We're just starting to play with it. My tech assistant got the server part up and running in just a couple of hours, but we don't have any clients set up yet. 20:19 chris wb nengard 19:57 wizzyrea rhcl have you used libki? 19:55 chris it knocks the socks off most of the proprietary alternatives 19:55 chris nope, but ive seen it in action 19:52 rhcl do you use it at all? 19:52 chris yeah its pretty cool 19:51 rhcl Kyle has done some amazing work with libki. http://libki.org 19:50 munin rhcl: kyle was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <kyle> A late thought, instead of having a version number battle, why not move to a date based versioning system like Ubuntu? Koha 9.12? 19:50 rhcl @seen kyle 19:29 chris heh 19:27 SelfishMan I knew this window was hiding somehwere 19:27 SelfishMan o hai 17:52 * owen will be back in a bit, but without his testing setup 17:52 * owen hates to walk out on some good help! 17:52 owen thanks 17:52 chris yep 17:52 owen Sorry chris, if I don't leave I won't have time for lunch before I have to work at another branch today. Can we pick this up tomorrow? 17:50 chris (i have from any library) 17:49 chris what is the hold policy? 17:49 chris http://librarian.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl?op=delete&itemtype=*&categorycode=ADULT&branch=* 17:49 chris also on this page 17:48 chris with 50 reserves set 17:48 chris add a rule with default patron category and an itemtype (whatever itemtype you were trying to place a hold on) 17:47 chris right, can you try one thing for me 17:46 pastebot "owen" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "select * from issuingrules;" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/102 17:46 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "issuingrules" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/101 17:45 chris right can you do a select * from issuingrules and paste it? 17:44 chris k, dont worry about opac 17:44 owen I'd have to apply your bug-fix for OPAC holds in order to test that... All these pending patches! 17:43 owen Staff side is what I was testing 17:43 chris owen: reserves from opac or staff side? 17:43 chris well adding that column fixes adding rules, at least for owen and I 17:41 owen It just doesn't solve my problem all by itself. 17:41 nengard chris me too - mine looks like that and i can't add rules 17:41 owen So yes, the issuingrules table bug exists. 17:41 owen chris: Yes, but I had to modify the issuingrules table by hand just to be able to add circ rules 17:40 chris ahh totally different bug 17:40 owen chris: sorry, the whole issue is getting muddled. Yes, I can add circ rules. But I still can't place holds 17:40 chris http://librarian.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl 17:40 nengard hi chris 17:40 chris and you still cant add circulation rules? 17:39 owen chris: yes 17:39 brendan :) 17:39 brendan cya all later 17:39 brendan howdy chris 17:39 chris does your issuingrules table look like that? 17:38 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "issuingrules" (21 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/100 17:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2455 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, remove SMS column from patron messaging preferences if SMSSendDriver is not defined 17:38 nelsonf In the manual I see "bug #2455" and "IMPORTANT: This feature is still experimental", so maybe I should leave well enough alone for now! http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/global-system-preferences/patrons#enhancedmessagingpreferences 17:36 owen Yes 17:36 chris owen: you about? 17:34 nelsonf a related question? for PREDUE advance notices I can't get check box to show up under the patron messaging tab. I only have blanks (a dash -, actually) for SMS/Email/Digest only, and RSS. However, on the Item DUE row I see check boxes for SMS/Email/Digest only. Maybe my version doesn't support this feature? 3.00.01.005 17:20 nelsonf thanks for offering suggestions on my current grail search! 17:19 jwagner nelsonf, I'm out of ideas -- anyone else? 17:17 nelsonf Oops, thats (7,8) - no emoticon. 17:15 nelsonf just looking at the sql output, I see Returns 0 rows for each of the 3 passes on CFCE | LIB-S. FYI, I set Delay to 6,7,8 and see output (6,7) for first pass, then (7,8), then (8,90). No e-mail apparently generated. I have items due 19,20,21,22 December. 17:04 nelsonf fingers crossed... 17:04 jwagner Yes 17:04 nelsonf do I also need to run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl -v to generate the actual e-mail? 16:59 jwagner With luck.... 16:59 nelsonf okay. then I Save Changes, run the pl script from PutTY and the e-mail should be generated manually? 16:58 jwagner Try setting the delay under the actual library instead of under the top default level. per my earlier discussion with owen, I've had problems with doing the setup at the default level. 16:57 nelsonf jwagner, In trigger screen (overduerules.pl) I'm assigning Delay numbers in the Default library. All other libraries show Delay null and Letter "No notice". Actually one other patron type lists Yes to receive ODUE, but this is set to Delay null and Letter "No notice" for all three letters. 16:55 wizzyrea thanks for catching that 16:55 wizzyrea cool, I'll get this ready to send :) 16:55 wizzyrea at the bottom, Notes 16:54 nengard awesome 16:54 wizzyrea yea, it's there 16:54 wizzyrea not sure why you'd want to sort on that, will have to fix that 16:54 nengard click on the title in your suggestion there and see if it's in the form 16:54 nengard also make sure it goes to the edit suggestion form as well 16:54 nengard wizzyrea looks good to me 16:53 wizzyrea nengard: http://screencast.com/t/ODgyMDAzZTYt like so?/ 16:53 nelsonf Yes. For testing, my patron category (LIB-S) is the only one that says Yes. We have many (10?) patron types, all say No but LIB-S. 16:52 jwagner Does the patron category say Yes for receiving overdues? 16:49 nelsonf I have a fine grace period of 3 days, and fine charging interval of 7 days, for my patron/branch type. I've been working off the idea that if a book is due yesterday -- with Delay 1 for ODUE, I then should receive an e-mail today. 16:44 jwagner Come to think of it, does grace period affect overdue notices, or fines? Anyone? 16:43 nelsonf how does the grace period factor in? 16:42 jwagner nelsonf, not sure we can troubleshoot here -- need lots of info. Doublecheck your triggers and make sure your overdue date (with grace period) matches the trigger date. I always have trouble dialing it in. 16:42 wizzyrea hmm. I actually don't particularly like this new suggestion interface :( 16:41 nelsonf jwagner, I run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t -n -v and can see the patron type and branch output. should I show you this? 16:39 owen No, thank you for all the emails! 16:39 nengard sorry for all the emails owen :) but thanks for checking those!!! 16:38 nelsonf not being generated. I'm trying to set up tests by checking out books for myself, to trigger notices, but no notices forthcoming 16:37 owen *whew* made it through all the new bugzilla emails, but my inbox is still filled with stuff to look at. 16:37 jwagner nelsonf, is the problem that overdues aren't being generated, or that they're being generated for patrons not set to get them? 16:36 wizzyrea nm I found it :P 16:35 wizzyrea hm. I get an error 500 whenever I try to get the acquisitions on my install 16:29 nengard awesome - thanks wizzyrea 16:25 wizzyrea ;) 16:25 wizzyrea so I'll fix it again 16:25 wizzyrea it was part of new acq, it was in and then the template that I changed was overwritten 16:25 nengard awesome! 16:25 wizzyrea okies, I think I see what happened with the note 16:25 nengard wizzyrea yup yup - patching patching :) 16:25 wizzyrea nengard: you there chica? 16:24 nelsonf we've got lots of patron types and overdue_notices.pl runs thru all of them, repeatedly for each fo the 4 branches, even though only one patron type for one branch is set to receive the ODUE notices. 16:21 wizzyrea lol 16:21 owen Okay, back to work everyone! 16:20 wizzyrea !! 16:17 owen We were having a 13-minute moment of silence for your goose. 16:17 wizzyrea um, good morning? very quiet! 16:03 nelsonf hi everyone. I've been struggling with e-mail ODUE notification for some time. Our Linux gurus installed Postfix and I think put the pl script in crontab, but I'm not receiving e-mails. I'm pretty sure the pl script was run manually to generate the e-mails. I'd appreciate any feedback... 15:54 nengard wrong smily 15:54 nengard :) 15:53 owen ...just not shown as such on the home page :( 15:53 hilongo yes ... it is 15:53 nengard found it 15:53 owen nengard: It's on koha.org now 15:52 hilongo downloading 15:52 nengard owen - it's not on download.koha.org - i thought it was only on koha-fr 15:52 owen Yes: http://download.koha.org/ 15:50 hilongo stable, I mean 15:49 hilongo is it out ? 15:49 nengard hilongo - you should skip 3.0.4 and go to 3.0.5 :) 15:48 hilongo :P 15:48 hilongo I'm about to upgrade one production server to 3.04 and suddenly got nervous 15:48 hilongo ahh ... great :) 15:47 owen The latest development version 15:47 hilongo which version of koha are you working with? 15:47 owen Hello hilongo 15:46 hilongo hello there owen , nengard 15:31 owen Yeah, I've got a patchwork of suggestions and fixes none of which are working :( 15:29 nengard bleh 15:29 owen No 15:29 nengard owen - did it solve the problem? 15:28 owen And I manually updated my database according to that patch 15:27 owen http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-December/004988.html 15:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client 15:26 owen Wait, I think this is it: [PATCH] Bug with update database, was causing finedays not to add, which broke adding issuingrules related to bug 3864 15:26 nengard yup .... me neither 15:24 owen 3870 says patch-sent, but I can't find the patch 15:22 nengard thanks 15:22 nengard yes, that's the one owen 15:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3870 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, NEW, Can't add circulation and fines rules 15:22 owen Bug 3870 15:22 nengard can't find it ... hmm 15:22 nengard oh wait - i don't think i reported my other bug!!! 15:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client 15:21 nengard and bug 3864 15:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3861 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, Can't Place Holds in OPAC 15:21 nengard bug 3861 15:20 nengard off to find the bug i reported 15:20 nengard haven't seen a patch for that yet ... 15:19 nengard basically circ rules aren't saving and so you can't place holds if there are no rules - yes the holds issue 15:19 owen nengard: The holds issue? 15:19 nengard owen - i have that issue to 15:14 imp oO 15:14 jwagner There are limits in the circ rules, but the default is From Any Library (should be, anyway). 15:14 munin imp: Error: No such location could be found. 15:14 imp @wunder berlin germany 15:14 munin imp: Error: No such location could be found. 15:14 imp @wunder berlin 15:14 owen I think there are limits... 15:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2575 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, RESOLVED REMIND, Non-superlibrarian staff cannot add/modify new patron attibute fields in Vista 15:14 owen Hmmm... Bug 2575: A bug in adding patron attribute fields in an unknown version of IE on Vista, not reproduceable on XP in FF3 or IE7? 15:01 jwagner I'm running out of ideas :-( 15:01 owen Yeah, that's what I meant about adding a rule for my patron/branch/itemtype. I've got a rule for my branch, my patron category, and the itemtype in question. 15:00 jwagner In circ rules, instead of at top level, select the appropriate library & create the rule. 15:00 owen Do you mean under "defaults for this library?" 14:59 jwagner If you set an equivalent circ rule under the library, does it work? 14:56 owen Can't place a hold even after adding an issuing rule for my patron/branch/itemtype *and* applying that patch 14:53 owen Hm, applying that patch doesn't solve my problem (before adding any additional issuing rules) 14:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3785 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, New Install, no maxreserves setting, OPAC holds fail 14:49 jwagner owen, regarding problems placing holds, if this is in OPAC, see Bug 3785 14:49 owen I guess I'll try adding some lines 14:49 owen Right, I have numbers set for default patron category, default item type, default library 14:48 jwagner owen, you're talking about setting a rule at the top-most level of the circ rules? Not going into a library first? I had trouble getting that to work when I tried it, but that was a while back. 14:48 * owen is still being told he has too many holds. 14:47 owen As far as anyone knows, should a single "default" issuing rule work for all patrons at all branches? 14:44 owen Oh, on-shelf holds! I didn't realize that was turned off by default. 14:43 jwagner Obvious first things to check -- are on-shelf holds allowed, does that item type allow holds, etc. 14:41 owen There's definitely one copy available. 14:41 owen anyone know why I would be getting this message when trying to place a hold in the staff client? "No copies are available to be placed on hold" 14:39 nengard jwagner - yeah that might do it 14:31 jwagner The SQL field is required -- make the report name the same way? 14:28 nengard okay 14:28 nengard ah 14:26 owen There should be server-side logic to back it up 14:26 owen nengard: I could see about adding some js validation, but that would only be half a fix I think 14:26 munin brendan: The current temperature in North Deering, Portland, Maine is 0.1�C (9:15 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling). 14:26 brendan @wunder 04103 14:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports 14:25 nengard owen, i tried to tackle bug 2969 yesterday -but apparently my js knowledge isn't good enough -is this an easy fix you can do? 13:56 jwagner A little nagging does wonders sometimes.... 13:56 nengard I love it!! 13:56 nengard I know!! 13:55 owen nengard: Looks like a few people are actually responding to your "remind" bug statuses 13:54 owen Back to work. 13:53 jwagner Morning nengard 13:48 nengard morning all 13:26 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 2.0�C (8:23 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Rising). 13:26 jwagner @wunder 20740 13:10 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 0.8�C (8:03 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling). 13:10 jdavidb @wunder 20852 13:09 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 18.0�C (6:20 PM IST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 13:09 indradg @wunder kolkata 11:36 crackjack how can I do this? 11:36 crackjack I want a link to be displayed in search results only if the field 953 'a' has "YES" 11:36 crackjack can anyone help me display conditional variables in template? 11:36 crackjack 10:55 crackjack anyone here knows how to display links in template according to conditions 10:46 crackjack how can I do this? 10:46 crackjack I want a link to be displayed in search results only if the field 953 'a' has "YES" 10:45 crackjack can anyone help me display conditional variables in template? 08:39 CGI361 hi 06:46 CGI645 crack i shall join u later....cud u pass on ur email id...thanx... 06:44 CGI645 prerequisite YAML::Syck 0.71 not found. 06:44 CGI645 prerequisite Algorithm::CheckDigits 0.5 not found. and warnings like this.....but nothing **** 06:43 CGI645 yes one minute.... 06:42 crackjack can you read that warning for me 06:41 CGI645 yes there were warnings in it... 06:39 crackjack look for errors and warning having *** 06:39 crackjack and then run PERL Makefile.PL 06:39 crackjack extract a fresh copy on KOHA first 06:37 CGI645 i have removed all the contents in the two dirs....the dir is empty now...should i repeat the installation steps starting from PERL Makefile.PL 06:36 CGI645 neother links to be removed... 06:35 crackjack then remove all the zebra server links and koha site links form /etc/koha 06:35 crackjack first delete all the contents from /usr/share/koha 06:34 CGI645 but i get those warnings... again.. 06:34 crackjack ya 06:34 CGI645 should i reinstall... 06:34 CGI645 koha 3... 06:34 CGI645 yes.... 06:34 crackjack you are using KOHA 3 right? 06:34 crackjack it means that you have error in your make install step 06:32 CGI645 fatal error....n't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Output.pm line 06:32 crackjack what is the error? 06:31 CGI645 i type my ip:port the koha error occurs.... 06:31 crackjack did you do that? 06:31 crackjack http://your-ip:your-port 06:31 crackjack you cannot load the opac and admin pages until you have successfully completed the web installer steos 06:30 CGI645 i cudnt go thru these steps... 06:30 CGI645 i am not able to load the opac and admin pages... successfully..... 06:30 crackjack asked for language selection 06:30 crackjack it asked for username and password? 06:29 crackjack tell me what you did when you started the web installer 06:29 crackjack no 06:29 CGI645 should i repeat those steps without zebra...and try... 06:28 crackjack and what was the warning like? 06:28 CGI645 so the stuff will work withotu zebra as well? 06:28 CGI645 zebra was selected... 06:28 crackjack did you select zebra or no zebra? 06:28 crackjack it seems that installation with errors 06:27 crackjack ok 06:27 CGI645 crack u there... 06:25 CGI645 yes i went thru all the steps....of the installation with warnings some places...my guess the yaz and zebra have not got installed properly...not sure...this is based on my readings over the net on koha... 06:24 CGI645 crack....i am with it for the past week or more...kindly help me to get done with it.... 06:24 CGI645 thats the actual error message.... 06:23 CGI645 an't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Output.pm line 30.BEGIN fail 06:23 CGI645 crackjack...got my issue? 06:22 crackjack have you made the installation complete??? 06:22 CGI645 earlier i was not able to connect to the opac and server pages...now that issue is thru... 06:22 CGI645 some of them went thru with warnings.... 06:22 CGI645 i have followed all the steps in the debian.INSTALL file.... 06:21 CGI645 i trty accessing the opac page.... the browser says trying to open PL file and admin page the browser says fatal error....compilation aborted at line 85....context.pm failed to locate..... 06:19 crackjack do you have a manual??? 06:19 crackjack sure 06:19 CGI645 crackjack.....could u help me with koha installationon deb etch... 06:08 crackjack How can I check whether I have "YES" or "NO" in my 953 'a' field data 05:48 crackjack how can I do it?? 05:48 crackjack I need help in displaying conditional variables in my search.tmpl 05:45 crackjack Hello alll.....Its a chilling gud morining from Nepal 05:38 CGI645 frederic1 hi could u help me with koha 3 on deb etch installation.... 05:17 CGI645 amit 05:09 CGI645 hi ropuch... 05:06 CGI645 ne reasons for the errors that i listed............ 05:05 CGI645 amit....so no way for me to move forward or what?? 04:57 Amit yes 04:56 CGI645 russ problems with koha 3 on deb etch...could u clarify.... 04:54 CGI645 amit... 04:51 CGI645 really getting to me !!! u in india... 04:51 Amit y 04:50 CGI645 amit ...got my error messages?? 04:48 Amit yes 04:48 Amit hi brendan 04:48 brendan hi amit 04:47 CGI645 amit u there... 04:45 CGI645 amit... 04:43 CGI645 amit....when i type locallhost or ip to access the opac it says tyring to open a file of type PL file and for admin page access: koha error fatal error...compilation aborted at line 85.... 04:39 Amit whr u stuck 04:39 CGI645 brendan....koha 3 on deb etch.. could u clarify my installation issues... 04:36 CGI645 amit...i have been with this for more than 10 days or so...some forward movement...but still want to get this one running..kindly help.. 04:35 CGI645 hi...now i am able to connect to my opac and admin pages...but the browser responds...trying to open a file...do u want to save or stuff...and for admin page it says koha error...koha 3 on debian linux... 04:34 Amit hi CGI645 04:34 CGI645 this is sivab amit.. 04:33 Amit hi indradg 04:33 CGI645 hi amit... 04:11 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 15.0�C (9:20 AM IST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 04:11 indradg @wunder kolkata 03:31 Amit morning all 03:31 Amit hi chris