IRC log for #koha, 2009-12-17

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00:18 brendan afternoon #koha
00:18 brendan @wunder 93117
00:18 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.6�C (4:11 PM PST on December 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
00:18 brendan @wunder 99307
00:18 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
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00:18 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
00:18 brendan @wunder North Pole, Alaska
00:18 munin brendan: The current temperature in Tombur Subdivision, North Pole, Alaska is -21.1�C (3:16 PM AKST on December 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -23.0�C. Windchill: -21.0�C. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Falling).
01:22 brendan cya #koha
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03:29 Amit hi brendan, chris
03:29 brendan good morning Amit (evening here)
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06:00 brendan night #koha
06:02 anotheruser night
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06:27 CGI351 I have installed koha-3.00.04_fixed on debian-lenny, succefully
06:27 CGI351 09:24  but z39.50 is not working, It show 'Results Connection failed to nothing found. Try another search'
06:27 CGI351 I have installed koha-3.00.04_fixed on debian-lenny, succefully,but z39.50 is not working, It show 'Results Connection failed to nothing found. Try another search'
06:28 CGI351 how can I solve this problem
06:32 chris looks to me like a firewall is blocking your connection out
06:35 CGI351 ??
06:43 chris if it saying connection failed, it means the koha server can't connect to
06:43 chris which is usually caused by a firewalling blocking the port it is trying to connect on
06:45 CGI351 Im on debian-lenny
06:45 CGI351 so wht should i do ??
06:47 chris at your commandline
06:47 chris type
06:47 chris telnet 7090
06:47 chris does it say connected
06:49 CGI351 I t say 'Trying
06:49 CGI351 telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: connection refused
06:50 chris yep, its not a koha problem then
06:50 chris something is blocking your connection
06:50 CGI351 mean?
06:50 chris mean its not koha
06:51 chris you will need to talk to your network administrator
06:51 chris or ISP
06:51 CGI351 what problem it may be?
06:51 CGI351 with network or ISP? Im on proxy
06:53 Ropuch Morning #koha
06:55 chris i dont know, i dont know your network setup
06:56 chris but there is definitely something blocking port 7090 outbound from your machine
06:56 chris its not something anyone here can fix
06:56 chris you need to talk to whoever configures your network
06:58 CGI351 ok
06:59 Amit heya Ropuch
07:01 Ropuch Hi Amit
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08:09 Amit heya nicomo
08:09 nicomo heya Amit how are you?
08:10 Amit nicomo: I am fine what abou u?
08:10 nicomo I'm find, but cold this morning
08:10 nicomo @wunder lyon france
08:10 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -2.0�C (9:00 AM CET on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
08:10 nicomo brrr
08:11 imp @wunder hannover germany
08:11 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is -5.0�C (9:00 AM CET on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
08:11 Ropuch @wunder Wroclaw
08:11 munin Ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is -8.0�C (9:00 AM CET on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
08:11 nicomo omg
08:11 Ropuch Incorrect
08:11 Ropuch My mother just called - she spotted -11 ;>
08:11 Ropuch But i think we're under -5 here
08:11 Ropuch I'm gonna check
08:11 Ropuch :)
08:12 paul_p @wunder marseille, France
08:12 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 0.0�C (9:00 AM CET on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
08:12 paul_p very cold on my bike this morning too...
08:13 paul_p (an electric bike. a really GREAT way of moving in a city !!!!)
08:13 Amit heya paul_p
08:13 nicomo Amit: what's your city?
08:14 Amit @wunder Bangalore india
08:14 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 20.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 19.0�C.
08:14 Amit nicomo: my city bangalore
08:14 nicomo aaaahh, except for the drizzle, the temperature is just fine
08:14 Amit hmm
08:14 nicomo I have a friend who's in papeete right now
08:15 nicomo @wunder papeete
08:15 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Tahiti, French Polynesia is 27.0�C (10:00 PM TAHT on December 16, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
08:15 nicomo yeah, that's much better: feels warm just reading it
08:17 Ropuch hehe
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08:23 chris well that was annoying
08:23 chris went to 2 movie theatres, both full
08:24 chris @wunder wellington nz
08:24 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
08:24 chris feels a lot warmer than that
08:31 nicomo hi chris
08:31 nicomo sorry about the annoyance
08:31 nicomo what did you intend to see?
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08:36 chris nicomo: avatar
08:37 nicomo ah, not entirely surprising then
08:37 nicomo annoying, still
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08:38 CGI694 ПРЮВЕТ
08:38 CGI694 КУКУ
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08:39 kf good morning #koha
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08:40 Ropuch guten Tag, kf
08:42 kf hi Ropuch :)
08:43 Ropuch Whoa, that was Hello from russia in cyrillic alphabet
08:43 Ropuch ;>
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08:45 hdl_laptop chris hi
08:45 chris hiya hdl_laptop
08:46 hdl_laptop mmm seems that has some problems
08:46 chris nicomo: you know kete eh? walter the head developer for that is in avatar (as an extra)
08:46 chris hdl_laptop: hmmm let me look
08:46 nicomo chris: lot of motion pictures shooting in NZ it seems
08:47 kf hi chris
08:47 chris nicomo: yep, cheap place to do it, plus we have weta
08:48 chris hdl_laptop: fixed
08:48 kf chris: I had some problems with pootle yesterday too - got my message?
08:48 chris hdl_laptop: ill set up a cron job to restart it each morning
08:48 chris pootle leaks ram slowly
08:48 chris and it was out of memory
08:48 chris kf: hmm lemme look
08:49 chris kf: i think the best thing for those \n is to fix it in poedit then upload it
08:49 chris (choosing overwrite)
08:51 chris kf:[…]ew_mode=translate
08:51 chris does that work for you?
08:51 chris how i got to that was to go to
08:51 chris then click review
08:52 chris[…]et3_1/review.html
08:52 chris then chose review suggestions
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08:58 chris only 4 blockers, without patches .. getting there
08:59 chris then the criticals, then the majors, then the normals ... then die of exhaustion :)
09:00 chris hdl_laptop: with your latest push ... any template changes? I think no?
09:00 * chris wonders if he needs to regen the .po files
09:00 hdl_laptop no.
09:01 hdl_laptop making the release today
09:01 nahuel w00t !
09:01 nahuel hi chris !
09:01 Ropuch :)
09:02 chris yay hdl_laptop !! :)
09:02 chris hdl_laptop++
09:02 Ropuch hdl_laptop++
09:04 kf chris: sorry chris, was away from keyboard, reading back now
09:04 chris np
09:04 kf chris: link works, I can see the suggestions, but not buttons to approve them
09:05 chris hmmm
09:05 chris lemme try something
09:05 kf chris: only the buttons I have for normal translation
09:06 chris if you reload ... you get it now?
09:08 Amit heya nahuel, chris
09:09 nahuel aya
09:10 chris kf: i tried changing the permissions again .. hopefully that link gives you some buttons now?
09:13 kf chris: will test, mom
09:13 chris thank you
09:15 kf chris: no :(
09:16 chris dangit
09:17 chris i can see it
09:17 kf the buttons?
09:17 chris a little tick and an x
09:17 chris above the suggestion
09:18 kf yes, it worked this way before the update
09:18 kf click on tick and submit or on x to delete the suggestion... but I cant see them :( perhaps because these are my own suggestions?
09:20 chris ahh that is probably it
09:20 chris 2 secs
09:21 Ropuch kf: I can add one suggestion for you to try
09:21 chris can you see my suggestion now?
09:21 Ropuch Just name the .po :)
09:21 chris (dont accept it :))
09:22 kf yes see it, but cant accept :(
09:22 kf I see the colored markup for differences, but no tick and x
09:28 chris how weird
09:29 kf yes :(
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09:30 chris what browser are you using?
09:31 kf firefox
09:31 kf 3.5.3
09:32 chris Ropuch:[…]ew_mode=translate
09:32 chris can you see see/approve suggestions here?
09:38 Ropuch Nope
09:39 Ropuch I didin't realize it's not here because (as it seems I'm only one working at pl version ATM) I'm using lokalize and then upload .po
09:39 Ropuch But I remeber the buttons from previous pootle
09:41 chris how bizzare that i get them
09:41 chris ill have to keep looking into it
09:42 chris but in the morning
09:43 Ropuch :)
09:43 Ropuch chris: wait
09:43 Ropuch Sorry, O have the buttons
09:44 chris yay!
09:44 kf Ropuch: where???
09:44 kf :)
09:44 Ropuch I didin't realize i was loggoed oud somehow
09:44 chris now i just have to figure out what is different
09:44 kf ok, im logged in and did logout/login after chris's changes :(
09:45 Ropuch kf: the same line as suggestion, to the right
09:45 kf Ropuch: nothing :(
09:46 Ropuch I can make suggestion, submit translation, view projhect and download archives
09:46 Ropuch (permissions to opac 3.0)
09:47 kf where do you see this?
09:47 Ropuch MY account >
09:48 Ropuch And In project summary you should have 'permissions' link next to project
09:48 kf yes
09:48 kf which tab is this?
09:48 Ropuch Dashboard
09:48 kf ok
09:49 kf which link on dashboard?
09:49 Ropuch Ok, first go to the Settings and select the projects you're involved in
09:49 Ropuch (It's under my project down there)
09:49 kf all are chosen
09:49 kf intranet 3.0.x - terminology
09:50 Ropuch So they should appear at your dashboard
09:50 kf they do
09:51 kf German - de is the first link, followed by the projects from the settings
09:51 Ropuch Then you shuold have (Permissions|Files) next to project -in german probably
09:52 kf no
09:52 chris what user are you logged in as?
09:53 chris ah ha
09:53 chris katrin
09:53 chris i gave Cait
09:53 kf
09:53 chris thats the problem
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09:53 kf aah
09:54 kf translating as katrin for a while now
09:54 chris ok katrin has permissions too
09:54 chris try now
09:54 kf I see the Ropuch's links now, try suggestions now
09:55 kf more links everywhere :)
09:55 kf and can approve suggestions :)
09:55 kf thx Ropuch and chris!
09:55 Ropuch :)
09:55 Ropuch Hooray for chris ;>
09:55 kf chris++
09:56 chris and now, bedtime :)
09:56 kf have to leave for a meeting now, will look at the new links in pootle later
09:56 kf sleep well chris!
09:56 imp gn8 chris
09:57 Ropuch chris: I hope you won't be dreaming of pootle permissions ;>
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10:17 CGI844 i am trying to install koha in fedora. this is the place i am stuck in : make: *** [set_koha_ownership] Error 1 chris could u clarify.
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10:55 CGI844 can an administrator log in remotely onto koha server installed in windows platform. if so could u clarify.
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14:21 schuster wanting to be clear on what I am getting with git.
14:21 schuster right now when I do a git pull I'm getting HEAD 3.2 right?
14:22 schuster git clone //
14:24 hdl_laptop yse
14:24 hdl_laptop yes schuster
14:24 hdl_laptop out of the box, you have master
14:25 hdl_laptop If you want to get a 3.0.x then you have to git checkout -b local3.0.x origin/3.0.x
14:25 schuster OK thanks just making sure I'm not spinning my wheels trying to get 3.2 up and running...  I'd have been really frustrated to end up with 3.00 again!
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14:29 Nate Hello #koha
14:30 jwagner Hi Nate
14:30 Nate heya jwagner
14:34 nicomo @seen magnusenger
14:34 munin nicomo: magnusenger was last seen in #koha 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <magnusenger> hdl_laptop: nice!
14:39 tirabo @seen bgkriegel
14:39 munin tirabo: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 18 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> tirabo: hi
15:01 schuster jdavidb around?
15:01 * jdavidb perks up.
15:10 Ropuch 6Ok, getting home
15:11 Ropuch See ya in 15 minutes or so ;>
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15:27 rhcl Just an observation here directed at nobody in particular. I see there are about 50 people signed on right now, and this an average Thursday morning (here anyway). When I first started joining this chat like 6-8 months ago 20 people would have been a good number.
15:29 schuster your point being - Koha is gaining momentum?
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15:29 schuster I know several of these probably leave their IRC open all the time most likely.
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15:32 collum @wunder 41011
15:32 munin collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is -0.8�C (10:30 AM EST on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032.1 hPa (Rising).
15:33 jdavidb @wunder 20852
15:33 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -0.9�C (10:23 AM EST on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Rising).
15:33 jwagner rhcl, maybe munin adds to the IRC's popularity :-)
15:33 jwagner Or maybe a lot more of us are using it now for everyday problems, not just development.
15:36 slef schuster: yes, I'm mostly idle and only monitoring.
15:37 schuster @wunder 75074
15:37 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 5.6�C (9:30 AM CST on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Rising).
15:37 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
15:37 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 4.6�C (3:35 PM GMT on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
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15:38 Ropuch @wunder Wroclaw
15:38 munin Ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is -9.0�C (4:30 PM CET on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
15:42 hilongo I leave the IRC open and take a look from time to time ... just to see what's on :)
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15:43 moodaepo @wunder 56001
15:43 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -10.4�C (9:41 AM CST on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling).
15:44 hilongo for me .. .it's like to sneak peak into a VIP room :P
15:44 hilongo haha
15:44 collum Wow.  moodaepo wins temperature wise.
15:44 hilongo @wunder Mendoza, Argentina
15:44 munin hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza Aerodrome, Argentina is 30.0�C (12:00 PM ART on December 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
15:44 moodaepo collum: I think it's gotten a bit warmer since yesterday : )
15:45 collum heat wave
15:45 hilongo I'm at the other side of the world ... so we're melting over here
15:45 jdavidb 30C isn't that hot!
15:45 moodaepo @where hilongo
15:45 munin moodaepo: Error: "where" is not a valid command.
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15:47 * jdavidb used to live in a place that regularly got to 40C in the summer, every day for several weeks.  He does not miss that very much.
15:47 hilongo it isn't ... but living in the middle of the mountains it 'feels' warmer
15:48 * hilongo wouldn't miss 40C that much either
15:48 jdavidb Humidity makes a huge difference.  Here in Washington DC, 30C feels like a sauna, especially down close to the river.  40C would fry your brains, but you wouldn't be soaked in sweat, because it was *so* dry.
15:48 collum Yep: I used to live in Houston.  I like cold better.
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15:49 jdavidb Houston gets the worst of both worlds.  35-38C, *and* 90% humidity.
15:49 collum And 2 hour commutes.
15:50 jdavidb hehe.  yup.
15:51 chris_n2 nengard about?
15:51 nengard yup
15:52 chris_n2 re bug 2635
15:52 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2635 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---,, NEW, Adding non-digit chars to cost fields in items causes data corruption
15:52 chris_n2 this was work I did for LL and submitted a patch, but cannot see that it was ever committed
15:52 chris_n2 unfortunately I no longer have the work
15:53 chris_n2 and I'm not sure what the intended behavior is atm... sorry... :-(
15:54 nengard chris_n2 :( you should put that on the bug report I guess - chris asked me to go through and close all fixed bugs and note if a bug wasn't fixed - so I did :)
15:54 schuster nengard - don't be mad at me, but I just posted a very lengthy post to your blog.  I hope we can still be friends.
15:55 chris_n2 nengard: will do... its just too bad the work did not make it into the repo
15:55 nengard i'm not surprised - unfortunatly
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15:58 slef we need a patch tracker or better linking between bugzilla and git
15:58 slef and no, I'm not writing one today :-(
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15:59 nahuel slef, there is a git plugin
15:59 nahuel a bugzilla plugin for git
15:59 nahuel ask to chris
16:00 slef this has been said before - presumably we need clay or someone at LL to install it?
16:00 schuster nengard and chris_n2 - well I don't have that patch as a LL client self hosted.  Nobody has gotten patches in awhile.
16:01 wizzyrea it's been june since we've gotten patches
16:01 wizzyrea except for some Dev work
16:02 chris_n2 schuster: this would have been back in august of 08
16:02 nengard schuster - you're silly - why the hell would i be mad at you for speaking your mind which is what the whole post is about???
16:02 nengard anyway - replied
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16:06 schuster chris_n2 - well then I have no idea why it hasn't been pushed as it hasn't even made it into LL patches!
16:08 slef schuster: nengard: where's the post?
16:08 nengard
16:08 schuster Thanks - nengard
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16:29 chris slef: the plugin works locally
16:29 slef chris: where local is what?
16:29 chris your machine
16:29 chris after you commit
16:29 chris you can then create a bug from that commit
16:30 slef but for attaching to existing bugs?
16:30 chris or attach a patch to a bug, from that commit
16:30 chris you have to be authenticated to bugzilla at the time
16:30 chris it uses that to do it
16:30 chris its kinda trick
16:30 slef ok... could it be made to run when updating a branch from
16:31 slef so upload for other people's commits if there's no attachment
16:31 chris[…]bcommand-for-git/
16:31 slef ta
16:31 chris sure, if there is a commit, you can attach it
16:32 chris what i would like to see us use
16:32 chris is
16:33 slef probably could develop that into something that read the patches mailing list and posted the patches into bugzilla if needed
16:34 chris or at least expirement with it to see if it works ... or maybe something even simpler
16:34 chris just some dirs on a webserver
16:34 chris patches to be applied
16:34 chris patches applied
16:34 chris patches rejected
16:35 chris so you could just look in there
16:35 chris cos its doing my head in trying to keep up with what has been applied, and what hasnt
16:35 * slef looks at the list archive a bit more closely
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16:36 chris why the hell am i awake at 5.30am talking about git???
16:36 slef heh, is the answer "children"?  But why the hell am I awake at 4.30pm talking about git?
16:37 * slef returns to banking
16:37 chris ;)
16:37 chris yep, hungry baby
16:40 paul_p2 chris: do you know that there is an option to power off your computer? that would make wake up at 5AM shorter & consume less electricity ;-)
16:41 nengard i've been up at 5:30am talking about git
16:41 nengard usually cause it's a koha meeting ... but still :)
16:41 chris gotta do something while the baby goes back to sleep :)
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16:44 nengard chris - time to start knitting
16:44 nengard that's what i do when i need to stop thinking about things and clear my brain before sleep
16:44 chris good idea
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16:57 chris note to self, dont read comments on blogposts in the morning ...
16:57 * chris shakes his head sadly and goes back to bed
16:57 nengard :( sorry
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16:59 schuster chris - sorry.
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17:38 joetho hello
17:38 joetho I have a transfer question- in the "branchtransfers" table, -COMMENTS- field, what do the values 'Forced branchtransfer'  and 'wrongtransfer'  mean?
17:39 joetho anyone? anyone?
17:41 schuster Sorry I can only guess - forced would be when the Librarian initiates it to send rather than the system automatically doing it?
17:41 schuster wrong transfer maybe when the wrong location checks it in?
17:42 nengard sorry joetho - not sure here either - but someone was talking about adding notes to SQL tables to make them make more sense - what ever happened to that?
17:42 joetho Those are good guesses.
17:43 joetho I am trying to research this, to make our end-of-time reports as accurate as possible.
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17:45 joetho Thank you David
17:45 joetho and Nicole too. Saw yer blog entry yesterday, btw. Take no prisoners!!
17:52 nengard joetho :)
17:54 schuster I've played with it but don't see how the comment gets there.
17:55 chris morning again
17:58 Ropuch Evening again ;>
17:58 chris ah ben ben ben
17:58 chris trolly troll troll
17:59 chris "look at me, i can totally misrepresent a situation"
17:59 chris luckily i have given up commenting on blogposts
18:02 chris since when did liblime customers become not part of the community?
18:02 chris otoh he left a nice message on my blog :)
18:03 nengard hmm
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18:04 schuster OK figured out the forced business!  If you have a book from library B at Library A and you check it out no problem.  If you check it out the second time it does a forced transfer to library A from A
18:04 joetho check out a second time... meaning...
18:04 schuster I'm not part of the community?
18:04 nengard according to ben you're not
18:05 joetho well according to Joe you are.
18:05 nengard :) hehe
18:05 chris joe trumps ben
18:05 nengard yup
18:05 joetho what do you mean, check out a second time?
18:05 joetho renew? check out to another patron?
18:05 chris who plays euchre?
18:05 schuster I checked this book out from library A that is owned by library B - someone else at library A and it is still owned by library B but still at A does a force transfer - even though the book never really moved locations.
18:05 Ropuch chris: is Ben striking back again? ;>
18:05 joetho ah
18:06 nengard got a question - what is the patrons with no checkouts report supposed to look like? I have a ton of patrons who have never checked out -but they don't appear on the report ...
18:06 schuster euchre!  Oh my!!  Havn't in a long time but it was a Minnesota thing when I was little.
18:06 joetho rock paper scissors
18:06 chris next time im awake at 5am i should find some online euchre site or something :)
18:07 chris one of my holiday jobs was cutting kevlar and fibreglass
18:07 chris to make helmets .. made some for london fire brigade, hong kong riot police etc
18:08 chris every smoko break, and lunch break, all the factory workers would beat me in euchre
18:09 chris was the most mind numbingly boring job ever, slide the kevlar, put the blade on it, swing the press over, push the buttons 10 tonne of pressure down, click, ... move it off, start again
18:09 schuster nengard - I don't know it doesn't seem to work right for me.
18:09 chris but the euchre made up for it
18:09 chris nengard: yeah im not sure it works properly either
18:10 schuster it has item limits in it too???
18:10 nengard chris - okay - bug report coming
18:10 schuster chris where is that blog post guess I need to give ben a piece of my mind.
18:10 chris nicoles blog
18:16 schuster nengard - when looking at this report it doesn't look like it would limit to the location either unless I overlooked it ...
18:16 nengard yeah - i think it's just all kinds of messed up :) hehe
18:21 joetho another question - in the "canned" report module, ( /cgi-bin/koha/reports/ ) ...does "Library" refer to holding branch or owning branch?
18:22 chris i think that we should remove the links to the canned reports until we overhaul them
18:22 joetho the report itself refers to "statistics.branch" and I can't figure out which is which. I have independent branches turned on.
18:23 joetho I think about you every time somebody asks me about them
18:23 joetho I think they are great, and easy for librarians to use.
18:23 joetho How bout we just make em work right.
18:24 nengard chris - no - i just finished documenting them :) hehe - you can't remove them
18:24 joetho or clarify exactly what it is they are reporting to you. To wit: my reports problem du jur
18:24 chris if its statistics.branch
18:25 chris then its the branch the item was issued from
18:25 chris so could be either
18:25 chris or both
18:25 nengard :)
18:25 chris on none
18:25 chris or none as well
18:25 nengard is this where you the ILS has crazy rules part comes in? :)
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18:26 chris no statistics.branch just stores the branch where the transaction took place
18:26 chris it doesnt care what the items homebranch or holdingbranch is
18:26 chris just where that transaction took place
18:27 chris if you can only ever issue things at their homebranch .. then it will be that .. but that is just coincidence
18:27 chris does that make sense?
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18:32 nengard makes sense to me
18:32 nengard made sense to me before :)
18:33 chris nothing about an ILS makes sense to me :)
18:33 nengard hehe
18:33 chris i just go "you want it to do what???? oh ok then"
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18:40 joetho oh my. Libraries like to have accurate statistics of what they do and it doesn't look like my consortium will get that from statistics.branch
18:40 joetho I won't tell em if you won't
18:50 chris oh?
18:50 chris it tracks the library that did something .. is there more accurate than that?
18:51 chris tracking libraries that didnt do something instead? :-)
18:53 chris maybe im not being clear
18:53 chris if i walk into moonbeam kansas library, (i hope this actually exists) and check a book out there
18:54 chris then statistics.branch will be moonbeam for that transaction
18:54 chris if i go to twigtown next
18:54 chris and return it
18:54 chris statistics.branch will be twigtown
18:54 chris that help?
18:57 wizzyrea that makes sense to me
18:57 wizzyrea :P
18:57 wizzyrea no moonbeam that I know of, though
18:57 wizzyrea damn shame.
18:57 chris can we found it?
18:57 chris what does it take to start a town anyway?
18:57 nengard hehe
18:57 nengard money i think
18:57 nengard lots of it
18:57 wizzyrea probably ^.^ not sure, will have to look
18:57 chris kill off the indigenous ppl and plant a flag?
18:57 wizzyrea always that
18:57 wizzyrea hmm
18:58 chris thats how it was done here anyway :)
18:58 chris and with that gross generalisation on the history of colonisation
18:58 chris im off to catch my bus
18:59 wizzyrea and here I was going to go off about incorporation and foundation of city government...
19:03 joetho Not to change the subject, but here's how I spotted this alleged "problem":
19:03 joetho 1. Our consortium main library attempts to fill an ILL request and finds the item at another branch within our consortium.
19:04 joetho 2. Main library requests that the branch library transfer the item to the main library. They do.
19:05 joetho 3. Main library checks the book out to the ILL borrowing library (not part of consortium, but they exist as a special "ILL-category" patron.
19:06 joetho 4. Statistics show that the little branch library checked the book out to the patron, when in fact the main library did.
19:06 joetho 5. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.
19:07 nengard okay - well in that case i bet we could write a report to give you the numbers you need - but that's a strange case
19:07 joetho This is really more of a procedural issue, I suppose.
19:07 nengard in most cases the library checks their own item out
19:07 joetho If we had unmedicated ILL it would be different, but a lot of our ILL in Kansas is pretty hands-on
19:09 joetho "unmedicated" = "unmediated"
19:10 joetho that's what one of the guys in our state library calls it
19:14 nengard well a report that pulls the home library instead of the statistics branch should be pretty easy for you to work up
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19:47 schuster joetho - do you run independant branches?
19:47 schuster in which case you may need to be medicated... ;)
19:47 chris back
19:48 chris ah yeah, like i said, "you want what???" :-)
19:56 hilongo hello there... just got here :)
19:56 hilongo but... about "independant branches" ...
19:57 hilongo is it possible to search patrons from another branch by their names and not only by theie cardnumbers?
19:57 hilongo in the releases after 3.0.1... I mean
19:57 joetho <---yes, independent branches
19:58 joetho hilongo: that seems to depend on the gui you are searching from
19:58 joetho but in general, no
19:58 joetho I think
19:59 hilongo Hmm..  I see
20:02 hilongo Anyway, that is no a really big problem right now ...  :P
20:05 joetho if you know what branch they are from, you can change to that branch and find them by name.
20:05 joetho If you have the user permissions to do that
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20:06 hilongo Yep ... but the idea is tha staff from one branch cannot login as a staff of another branch
20:07 hilongo but still be able to loan and reserve items to patrons from any branch
20:09 hilongo It can be done right now, but some librarians prefer to search a patron by the lastname
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20:39 * chris_n2 thinks it is significant that ben lurks on the irc log rather than the channel itself
20:40 chris_n2 nengard++ #for her blog post
20:40 wizzyrea ben who?
20:41 chris_n2 ben ide (I think that's his last name)
20:41 chris_n2 works for a WALDO library iirc
20:42 wizzyrea Oh right, connecticut
20:42 * chris_n2 thought he might be coming around at one point
20:42 * wizzyrea did too
20:42 * wizzyrea is sad that he's not
20:42 * wizzyrea waves to Ben HIYA!
20:42 chris_n2 but then maybe he got called into the "principal's office"
20:43 wizzyrea hehe
20:43 wizzyrea that term always makes me giggle, while simultaneously filling me with dread
20:43 chris_n2 lol :-)
20:44 sekjal Ben's a good guy in person.  He just seems to have a way of coming off badly electronically
20:44 chris_n2 never met him live and in person, but I'd agree with the electronically bit
20:45 * chris_n2 had better go find something else to do...
20:46 sekjal quick question: is the preferred destination for patches, or is
20:46 sekjal the wiki says the former, my inbox shows both
20:46 chris_n2 I think
20:46 wizzyrea is what I always use
20:47 sekjal cool, thanks!  I just spotted a bug, and it was an easy fix, so I'll give it a whirl
20:47 wizzyrea and by "always" i mean, the 6 times I've done it :P
20:47 chris i always use
20:47 chris and encourage everyone to
20:47 chris because is just a redirect
20:47 sekjal ah
20:48 chris but it goes through a mail server and has filters/spam scanning applied
20:48 chris its just adding a point of failure for no need
20:50 wizzyrea hmm, good to know
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20:52 chris_n2 bbl
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22:21 hdl_laptop chris : I try and apply all the patches sent to list on a day-to-day base.
22:22 hdl_laptop There are patches which cannot pass.
22:22 chris *nod*
22:22 chris do you think just have 3 dirs on a webserver would be handy?
22:22 chris patches_applied, patches_waiting, patches_rejected
22:23 hdl_laptop maybe. Maybe stgit could be also handy.
22:23 chris stgit involves a bit of change in work flow .. but might be good
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22:23 hdl_laptop But having only thunderbird directory is a pain.
22:24 chris definitely
22:24 hdl_laptop are you using mutt ?
22:24 chris the nice thing with the dirs, is that when the RM applies a patch, they just move it
22:24 chris then people can just look and see oh my patch is still in the waiting dir
22:24 chris i use sup
22:25 hdl_laptop well there should be more dirs
22:25 chris
22:25 chris sup and offlineimap
22:25 hdl_laptop waiting testing applied pushed cantapply rejected
22:26 chris that would work
22:26 chris it would just be nice to have a easy way to see how many patches are waiting etc
22:27 hdl_laptop I thought that it could be done with using topic branches with authoremails on top of dev
22:28 hdl_laptop and some branches on the project.
22:28 chris yep, that's another possibility
22:30 hdl_laptop see 3.2_community on for all the patches sent that pass on a master branchautomatically
22:30 hdl_laptop I have some encoding error
22:31 chris cool
22:31 chris[…]ads/3.2_community for anyone else interested ;)
22:32 chris i should track that with my autobuilder
22:32 hdl_laptop cannot convert from utf-8utf-8 to utf-8
22:32 chris heh
22:32 hdl_laptop I think it comes from  0024 Puts focus in search box on page load
22:33 chris ah could be
22:33 chris hmm nope
22:33 chris[…]825bfeccf83d4a9ea
22:34 chris that looks ok
22:34 hdl_laptop are  you used to git submodule ?
22:34 chris nope havent used it
22:35 hdl_laptop I am using it and I think it could be great to use that for translation and configurations.
22:35 hdl_laptop But I still have to master that part more
22:35 chris cool
22:39 hdl_laptop then we would have independent parts and update regularly
22:39 chris yeah that would be great
23:06 Nate gnight everyone!
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