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chris |
144kph .. they are getting some pace |
| 00:08 |
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brendan |
cya in a bit |
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hank_bank |
hello koha |
| 00:45 |
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hank_bank |
I have a question |
| 00:46 |
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hank_bank |
GRSL or DOM indexing? |
| 00:48 |
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chris |
MARC21 ? |
| 00:49 |
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hank_bank |
yes |
| 00:49 |
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chris |
if so, DOM definitely .. i think DOM for UNIMARC also, but not certain on that |
| 00:49 |
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hank_bank |
otay thanks! |
| 00:50 |
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pianohacker |
chris: why, specifically? |
| 00:51 |
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chris |
for a start its hella easier to read than record.abs |
| 00:52 |
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chris |
and also because you can change things without needing to reindex everything |
| 00:53 |
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pianohacker |
O_o you can lose record.abs with dom indexing? |
| 00:53 |
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chris |
yeah |
| 00:54 |
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pianohacker |
What replaces it? |
| 00:55 |
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chris |
2 secs |
| 01:03 |
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chris |
view-source:http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]m-config-marc.xml |
| 01:03 |
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chris |
heh, and that link will only work in chromium i think |
| 01:03 |
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chris |
http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]m-config-marc.xml |
| 01:03 |
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chris |
basically xml and xslt |
| 01:05 |
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pianohacker |
xslt? |
| 01:06 |
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* pianohacker |
is not sure this is an improvement |
| 01:06 |
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chris |
hehe |
| 01:06 |
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chris |
its more the can change things without needing to reindex that is the total win |
| 01:06 |
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pianohacker |
Right |
| 01:07 |
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chris |
and transforming xml with xsl makes some kinda vague sense :) |
| 01:08 |
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chris |
i think it handles non latin characters better as well, but im not sure about ath |
| 01:11 |
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pianohacker |
Reindexes are very slow even for small collections, so that's good |
| 01:11 |
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pianohacker |
If you're already stuck with the bastard format, may as well go all the way |
| 01:11 |
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pianohacker |
Yeah, Unicode's definitely a strength of XML |
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alejandro |
hi there |
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| 01:34 |
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hdl |
chris not sure DOM can better handle non latin chars |
| 01:35 |
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hdl |
chris it is rather icu which enables that. |
| 01:35 |
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chris |
ahh right |
| 01:35 |
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chris |
wow, it must be 2.30am for you? |
| 01:35 |
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hdl |
I worked on DOM indexing for biblios and created a dom_wip branch. |
| 01:35 |
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chris |
ohh cool |
| 01:36 |
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hdl |
But had no time to invest on that. |
| 01:36 |
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hdl |
It should be close to achieve something though |
| 01:36 |
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chris |
excellent |
| 01:37 |
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brendan |
very cool hdl |
| 01:37 |
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hdl |
But it took old record.abs as a start. |
| 01:37 |
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hdl |
So should be updated |
| 01:38 |
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hdl |
(I worked on that in early march) |
| 01:43 |
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hdl |
http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bi[…]efs/heads/dom_wip |
| 01:44 |
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chris |
excellent |
| 01:44 |
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chris |
ill have to have a look when i get some time |
| 02:41 |
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chris |
brendan: http://www.cricinfo.com/nzvpak[…]match/423778.html staging a fightback |
| 02:43 |
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brendan |
somewhat of a comeback |
| 02:43 |
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brendan |
still if I am reading it correctly - a bit to go |
| 02:43 |
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chris |
yep |
| 02:44 |
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chris |
but from 27/2 to 126/2 is a good effort |
| 03:21 |
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| 03:22 |
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hank_bank |
question about sudo a2ensite koha |
| 03:22 |
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hank_bank |
I have ibstalled KOHA from git and I am configuring apache |
| 03:23 |
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hank_bank |
i get ERROR: Site koha does not exist! |
| 03:24 |
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pianohacker |
hank_bank: What is the base path of your git install? |
| 05:20 |
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* pianohacker |
hopes he isn't too late |
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henry |
revisting question about sudo a2ensite koha |
| 05:58 |
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henry |
henry=hankbank btw |
| 06:01 |
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henry |
the base path is something like /koha-dev/etc/? |
| 06:01 |
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chris |
have you done the ln -s to /etc/apache2/sites-available bit? |
| 06:01 |
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henry |
yes |
| 06:02 |
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henry |
I tried to change the path in there |
| 06:02 |
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chris |
so what did you actually run? |
| 06:02 |
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chris |
and if you do ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha |
| 06:02 |
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chris |
what do you get |
| 06:03 |
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henry |
I think it was /etc/koha-dev/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha |
| 06:03 |
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henry |
thnaks chris |
| 06:03 |
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henry |
I mean thanks |
| 06:03 |
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henry |
I will check that tomorrow |
| 06:04 |
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chris |
yeah you need to link the actual file its probably /home/something/koha-dev/etc/koha-httpd.conf |
| 06:04 |
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henry |
I am on my home machnine, had to leave work, |
| 06:04 |
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henry |
yes exactly |
| 06:04 |
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chris |
and if its saying not found, im picking the link isnt right |
| 06:04 |
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henry |
it had my home/username in the path |
| 06:05 |
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henry |
so whne I get the link right then a2ensite should find the site koha? |
| 06:06 |
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chris |
yep |
| 06:06 |
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henry |
cool |
| 06:06 |
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chris |
all that command does is ln -s from sites-available to sites-enabled anyway |
| 06:06 |
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henry |
I will figure it out |
| 06:06 |
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henry |
a symbolic link? |
| 06:08 |
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henry |
thanks |
| 06:09 |
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pianohacker |
Good night |
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Ropuch |
Morning #koha |
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zico |
hi |
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|Lupin| |
hi there ! |
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jdavidb |
Hello, |Lupin|! :) |
| 12:43 |
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|Lupin| |
hi jdavidb :) |
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jwagner |
Good morning all |
| 12:52 |
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|Lupin| |
hey jane |
| 12:56 |
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nengard |
anyone know what I do to request that a patch I sent is ignored? |
| 12:56 |
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hdl |
hi jwagner |
| 12:57 |
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|Lupin| |
nengard: I'd just reply to the e-mail and aski to ignore the patch... |
| 12:57 |
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jwagner |
Bonjour hdl |
| 12:57 |
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nengard |
thanks Lupin - will do |
| 13:09 |
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nengard |
okay - getting annoyed with templates!! can someone tell me why lines 11-13 work but lines 50-52 do not? http://koha.pastebin.com/m51de768 |
| 13:12 |
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hdl |
nengard: mixed TMPL_IF ? |
| 13:12 |
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hdl |
is that you who introduced EXPR in template ? |
| 13:13 |
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nengard |
no |
| 13:13 |
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nengard |
all i added were the 6 lines I pointed out |
| 13:13 |
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hdl |
ok. |
| 13:13 |
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nengard |
but what does mixed TMPL_IF mean? the fact that I have an IF inside another IF? |
| 13:14 |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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| 13:17 |
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chris_n |
nengard: it looks like you're missing a closing <!-- /TMPL_IF --> for the line 1 TMPL_IF |
| 13:18 |
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Nate |
morning everyone |
| 13:18 |
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chris_n |
howdy Nate |
| 13:19 |
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Nate |
its ca ca ca cold out |
| 13:19 |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
| 13:19 |
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munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.6�C (7:44 AM EST on November 24, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:19 |
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chris_n |
its wet and nasty here :-( |
| 13:20 |
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Nate |
send me to the tropics! |
| 13:20 |
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jdavidb |
Here too, chris_n. |
| 13:20 |
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chris_n |
nengard: it looks like the TMPL_IF should be closed after the <!-- /TMPL_LOOP --> tag |
| 13:20 |
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chris_n |
unless there is more to the template than is posted |
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|Lupin| |
see you later all, bye |
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| 13:28 |
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chris_n |
nengard: looking at review.tmpl, it looks like that TMPL_IF tag is closed after line 57, so that would not be it |
| 13:28 |
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nengard |
chris_n on skype with hdl and he's helping me |
| 13:28 |
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chris_n |
k |
| 13:31 |
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nengard |
okay - time for a git question - how do I revert back to a version that is unedited by me :) |
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hdl |
git reset --hard HEAD |
| 13:36 |
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nengard |
hdl that pushed it back to my last patch - which was wrong :) how do I get it to ignore my patches and just show me HEAD |
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owen |
Ahoj, #koha |
| 13:50 |
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jwagner |
nengard, if you're on a branch and want to get the file back to head, I think you can do git checkout filename, can't you? |
| 13:50 |
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nengard |
jwagner - i don't know - never did it :) will try now |
| 13:50 |
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owen |
You can if the change is uncommitted |
| 13:55 |
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nengard |
I commited the change |
| 13:55 |
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nengard |
it wasn't pushed though ... |
| 13:55 |
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nengard |
so how do i revert back before my stupid commit? |
| 13:57 |
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owen |
http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]cs/git-reset.html |
| 13:57 |
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nengard |
thanks owen |
| 13:57 |
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owen |
But as far as I know that resets the branch to HEAD rather than, for instance, just one file |
| 13:57 |
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owen |
I'm not sure about doing it on a per-file basis |
| 13:59 |
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nengard |
owen - read through that and that's what hdl suggested I do - but for some reason the changes are still there ... hmmm - off to restart the server |
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* jdavidb |
pings. |
| 14:10 |
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jdavidb |
Anyone else having trouble getting to git.koha.org? |
| 14:11 |
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chris_n |
it times out from here |
| 14:11 |
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jdavidb |
ah-hah. Us too. |
| 14:18 |
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hdl |
jdavidb: here too |
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jdavidb |
Okay. This explains much. We rebooted our development servers yesterday, and thought something got hosed up there. Guess not. |
| 14:20 |
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* chris_n |
sends an email to cfouts asking him to check on the problem |
| 14:22 |
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hdl |
thanks chris_n |
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schuster |
Morning! |
| 15:06 |
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schuster |
Is there an easy way to see what resources are hogging CPU time? |
| 15:07 |
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jdavidb |
"top" |
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nengard |
on the patron import tool it has a matching rule at the end that refers to 'Extended Attributes' |
| 15:11 |
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nengard |
what are they? the same as patron attributes? |
| 15:12 |
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nengard |
and why is it asking about replacing them? |
| 15:16 |
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schuster |
Yes - I use Extended attributes for homerooms - and we load them regularly - but we don't always want to completely replace them unless there is an update to a particular attribute |
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schuster |
karma chris ++ |
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nengard |
schuster - I need more explanation - how do I document that - and if we're talking about patron attributes - why are they called extended attributes? |
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reiko |
hi |
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reiko |
does anyone know where date aquired field is in the database? |
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owen |
reiko: Maybe you're looking for items.dateaccessioned? That's the date an item was added to the database |
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schuster |
They are patron attributes and I don' t know why they are extended attributes. |
| 16:35 |
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schuster |
nengard - does that help? |
| 16:35 |
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nengard |
schuster - it helps in that I'll report a bug about the wording :) |
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Ata |
hi all |
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Ata |
hi nicol |
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nengard |
hi |
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Ata |
I'm here just to ask a question |
| 16:37 |
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Ata |
Is there any schedule for release of koha 3.2? |
| 16:37 |
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Ata |
actually i m intrested in its acquisition module |
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Ata |
can someone update me? |
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wizzyrea_ |
at the last meeting we were 4 weeks from RC1? |
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wizzyrea_ |
something like that? |
| 16:40 |
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wizzyrea_ |
last meeting was early november, so a RC should be soon |
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wizzyrea_ |
gmcharlt could answer that |
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wizzyrea_ |
jdavidb: It must be done. |
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jwagner |
schuster, your message about an IRC KUDOS meeting -- isn't the regular monthly IRC meeting also on December 2? |
| 16:48 |
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wizzyrea_ |
3 dec, according to the chat topic |
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jwagner |
That's the foundation meeting. First Wednesday of the month has been the schedule for the regular devel mtg. gmcharlt? |
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wizzyrea_ |
ah, reading fail, sorry |
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|
* wizzyrea_ |
has turnkeylinux.org on the brain and can't think straight |
| 16:52 |
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wizzyrea_ |
ok, I officially loathe AutoGraphics |
| 16:52 |
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* jwagner |
read that as turkeylinux -- can't read straight! |
| 16:52 |
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owen |
jwagner: Me too! |
| 16:53 |
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wizzyrea_ |
their tech department 1. calls me Lisa, 2. keeps asking for information I have already sent 3. are rude about it. |
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owen |
And I'm all, I'm not going to download your holiday-specific distro! |
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wizzyrea_ |
LOL |
| 16:53 |
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wizzyrea_ |
I love you guys |
| 16:53 |
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wizzyrea_ |
(but seriously, www.turnkeylinux.org |
| 16:53 |
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wizzyrea_ |
) |
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jdavidb |
woot! I finally got an OMG DOO EET from wizzyrea_ ! |
| 16:54 |
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wizzyrea_ |
...that could be read in so many ways, most of which are dirty, and none of which applicable ^.^ |
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wizzyrea_ |
er, none of the dirty ways |
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wizzyrea_ |
only the "you should do that like, so right now" way. |
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jdavidb |
I figured as much. |
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wizzyrea_ |
:D |
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wizzyrea_ |
that was my best valley girl impression. were you impressed? |
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jdavidb |
Very! |
| 16:59 |
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jdavidb |
Someone requested an Evergreen one on their forums--got turned down. But someone else said, "I'm working on *foo*...how do I share it with y'all?" and they said, "Great! Do <xyz> and we'll take a look!" |
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jdavidb |
So maaaaaybe.. |
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wizzyrea_ |
yea, I'm guessing that if someone did the work for them (or much of it) they'd include just about anything |
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wizzyrea_ |
I'm sure they don't want to go learning every webapp just to make VM's |
| 17:00 |
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wizzyrea_ |
I downloaded the file server one, and it is HAWT. |
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wizzyrea_ |
so easy to use |
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owen |
A HAWT file server! :) |
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jdavidb |
I'll yank in their "core" iso, and see what I can do with it, maybe over the holiday. Wanna make it so all they gotta do to upgrade is "git pull" and run updatedatabase.pl |
| 17:02 |
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wizzyrea_ |
yea, that would be so cool. it would also be cool if someone wrote a koha webmin module |
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pianohacker |
Good morning |
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owen |
Hi pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
Hi owen |
| 17:04 |
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pianohacker |
How's it going? |
| 17:04 |
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owen |
Fine. I've been in PHP mode lately rather than Koha mode. |
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wizzyrea_ |
mornin PH |
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pianohacker |
owen: I'm sorry |
| 17:06 |
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owen |
You can be sorry I'm not in Koha mode, but I don't need your PHP sympathy ;) |
| 17:07 |
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pianohacker |
Don't tell me you enjoy it |
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owen |
I enjoy it because I know it and I can make it do stuff |
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* owen |
can't say the same about Perl |
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owen |
In order to convince me otherwise you'll have to pony up the $2500 for the 5-day Perl workshop nengard and I are wishing we could afford :) |
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Colin |
owen: We can do you a free one day one if you come to London |
| 17:11 |
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owen |
An appealing offer! |
| 17:12 |
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chris |
i can probably swing one after the conference |
| 17:12 |
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chris |
a decent number of the CPAN modules koha uses were written by catalyst staff, and we host the wellington perl mongers group |
| 17:14 |
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nengard |
Colin - that might cost $2000 in expenses just to get to London :) |
| 17:14 |
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chris |
im sure i can rope some in to talk :) |
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nengard |
pianohacker - what's wrong with PHP? That's the language I know too |
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pianohacker |
It's not very elegant. You can get stuff done in it, though |
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chris |
right, october it is, everyone start saving now :) |
| 17:17 |
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jwagner |
pianohacker, er, news for you -- Perl ain't very elegant either :-) |
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* chris |
bans language wars from #koha |
| 17:17 |
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pianohacker |
jwagner: Well, there's definitely degrees |
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sekjal |
PHP is a perfectly fine language. That said, I'm more interested in working on my Perl (since that's what Koha is written in) |
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* pianohacker |
is trying not to provoke one, happily goes along with ban |
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nengard |
pianohacker - I got TONS of stuff done with it - all of Jenkins Law Library is running on apps I wrote in PHP |
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pianohacker |
we are having a _spirited discussion_, not a war! |
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chris |
:) |
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jwagner |
chris, could be worse -- we could start a religious war over PC vs Mac vs Linux! |
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nengard |
agree - just wonder why people like one language over another |
| 17:18 |
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nengard |
I don't know Perl - so I prefer PHP :) hehe |
| 17:19 |
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nengard |
but I do want to learn Perl cause I want to do more with Koha |
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* owen |
already ported his library's intranet apps from ColdFusion to PHP years ago, might as well port them to Perl when I'm able! |
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nengard |
hehe |
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* jdavidb |
suggests for 3.4, that we convert Koha to COBOL, with Fortran used for the fine-totals-calculations. |
| 17:20 |
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pianohacker |
Watch out, soon you'll be writing them in LISP |
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jwagner |
or ADA? |
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nengard |
hey - off topic - tv question - what's the big diff between a 720p and a 1080p TV - like is it a big enough diff I'd see it? is it worth $1000 more? |
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* nengard |
throws a tomato at jdavidb |
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pianohacker |
would depend on the size, and what content you've got going to it |
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owen |
nengard: Look for a TV written in Perl. They're more elegant. |
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nengard |
pianohacker - just watching TV and I don't want more than 42" |
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pianohacker |
Now wait a minute |
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sekjal |
nengard: not worth it in my opinion; i'm running Blu-ray on 720p and I'm perfectly happy with the quality |
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jwagner |
nengard, the WashPost's tech guy consistently says 720p is fine unless you're going for BluRay or other REALLY hidef stuff. For normal broadcasts you'll never notice the difference. |
| 17:22 |
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nengard |
awesome - thanks all - then I might brave the Black Friday sales for my first hi def tv |
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pianohacker |
Man, good luck |
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owen |
nengard: I hope you don't have a large library VHS tapes, you'll be shocked at how terrible they look on your new TV |
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nengard |
donated all VHS tapes to library before moving the last time |
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* owen |
's kids still have some favorite stuff on VHS |
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nengard |
DVDs only |
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* jdavidb |
debated going to Best Buy for one of the $199 HP laptops. Then noticed that they'll be giving out tickets at 3 AM. I can't *get* there at 3 AM, period. Prior to 6:30 is unlikely. |
| 17:23 |
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nengard |
no blue ray either - not really sure it's worth the extra $$ |
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* owen |
would be justified in torrenting the titles he has on VHS, right, because he owns them, right? |
| 17:24 |
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nengard |
jdavidb - HOLY CRAP - I missed that one |
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chris |
jwagner: there is no argument there .. only one is free the rest are proprietary madness ... case closed :) |
| 17:25 |
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jwagner |
Harrumph. |
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jdavidb |
It's not very macho. Be good for someone who just needs something for when they travel, but it's *not* a power-user's box. |
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* jdavidb |
is happy with his Eee for travel. |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: yes, first Wednesday of each month is the regular meeting |
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jdavidb |
The $199 HP is running Win7, too. Ick. |
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chris |
i wonder if you can get it for $-30 if they take the windows tax off |
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pianohacker |
Hi, gmcharlt |
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owen |
I have on my calendar that Dec. 3 is the next foundation meeting. |
| 17:28 |
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jwagner |
so schuster, you might want to reschedule the KUDOS meeting |
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chris |
yup thats right |
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owen |
Well, to be fair: the Dec. 2 meeting is early in the morning for US folks. |
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owen |
schuster's meeting wouldn't conflict |
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owen |
(unless we had all fallen asleep by then) |
| 17:29 |
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jwagner |
But 3 IRC meetings in 2 days? The flesh is weak.... |
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owen |
It's okay jwagner, only 2 IRC meetings. And one java-something meeting ;) |
| 17:31 |
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jwagner |
A distinction without a difference... |
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chris |
i dont think ive had 3 days without an irc meeting |
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chris |
:) |
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jwagner |
Well, chris, if the rest of the world chooses to live so far away from you.... |
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owen |
To our detriment I'm sure |
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pianohacker |
Harder to pester you to apply patches when you become the rm if we can't threaten an in-person visit |
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jwagner |
pianohacker, maybe we need to set up a travel fund so people can go pester chris in person when needed! |
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pianohacker |
Hahahaha |
| 17:44 |
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pianohacker |
Best travel scholarship I've heard of |
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jwagner |
I'll volunteer to be the point person for making the trips :-) |
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* jwagner |
thinks low blood sugar is contributing to silliness factor. Maybe I'd better go get some lunch.... |
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wizzyrea_ |
hmm. there's a tweetup today in lawrence... should I go? |
| 17:59 |
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wizzyrea_ |
nah. |
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owen |
A tweetup is what, a bunch of random Twitterers getting together to talk about how they all tweet? |
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Colin |
You mean you have to count up to 140 while talking? |
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* jdavidb |
laughs. |
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owen is now known as owen-away |
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wizzyrea_ |
hee |
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nengard |
another doc question - on march export tool -- '# Remove non-local items ' means items not at the library you're exporting for? |
| 18:19 |
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pianohacker |
nengard: Yes, it deletes items that don't have the same branch as the user's home or selected branch |
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pianohacker |
items that don't have the same *home* branch |
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nengard |
wait- if i"m logged in as being at MAIN and then I do the export with all libraries turned on - will it remove items from all but the MAIN branch? |
| 18:20 |
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nengard |
and if I'm at MAIN and I choose CENTER as the branch to export for - will it export MAIN and CENTER - or just CENTER? |
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pianohacker |
nengard: will remove all but MAIN for the first, and all but CENTER for the second |
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nengard |
good to know - will add that TIP :) thanks!! |
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nengard |
one more - 'Accession date' means the date acquired right? |
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pianohacker |
Should, yes |
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pianohacker |
items.dateaccessioned |
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nengard |
ah |
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nengard |
thanks |
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schuster |
Thanks owen for verifying what I thought about the IRC chat being like at 5 AM? Central time on Dec 2nd? |
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schuster |
We had discussed doing the chat for KUDOS not on IRC but more as a CHAT where we could just send out the link and people don't have to figure out how to get on it .. Library types rather than techie. |
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schuster |
sorry jwagner |
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schuster |
Chris... That branch:901 seems to work! |
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schuster |
impacts results display time but will be playing with it. |
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* jwagner |
has been listening to car alarm going off in the parking lot. Anyone got a sledgehammer? |
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schuster |
suspect jdavidb - peeking over a cubie to see how long it takes to drive jwagner crazy... |
| 18:32 |
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jwagner |
He Knows Better Than That (she said ominously) |
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jwagner |
On the other hand, it DID just stop.... |
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pianohacker |
o_o |
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* pianohacker |
bows |
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pianohacker |
jwagner: please don't hurt me |
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jwagner |
Now why would I hurt YOU? |
| 18:35 |
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jwagner |
Other people, maybe.... |
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jdavidb |
because he did it! Weren't me! |
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* jdavidb |
points at pianohacker with one hand, and schuster with the other. |
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jwagner |
Spreading the blame around, I see :-) |
| 18:36 |
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jdavidb |
There's plenty. |
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jdavidb |
Besides, schuster is used to me blaming him. Last December-ish, during his go-live, I blamed him for a lot of my sorrows. |
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jwagner |
Isn't there an old hymn called Man of Sorrows? |
| 18:38 |
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jwagner |
(Clearly lunch has done nothing to reduce my silliness factor....) |
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jdavidb |
I think so, yes. |
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* jdavidb |
is silly most of the time. It's not fatal. Most of the time. |
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chris |
schuster: excellent :) |
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brendan |
morning all |
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chris |
ok, bus time, will be back in 40 mins or so |
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chris |
time to read some terry pratchett on the bus |
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* chris |
wanders off |
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nengard |
afternoon brendan |
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brendan |
:) |
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Ropuch |
Hi nengard, brendan |
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brendan |
howdy Ropuch |
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pianohacker |
Hi Ropuch, brendan |
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|Lupin| |
hi all |
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pianohacker |
Hi |Lupin| |
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|Lupin| |
hey Jesse :) |
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|Lupin| |
We went live today... :) |
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pianohacker |
Hey, congratulations |
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owen |
Congratulations |Lupin|! |
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sekjal |
congratulations, |Lupin|! |
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brendan |
congrats |Lupin| |
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|Lupin| |
thanks :) |
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|Lupin| |
in case you guys wnna have a look |
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|Lupin| |
http://www.serveur-helene.org |
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|Lupin| |
any comment welcome cause I have no idea how the site looks, visually :) |
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richard |
hi |
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|Lupin| |
So far the only problem reported is that AddReturn fails for some users |
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|Lupin| |
Is it possible that it fails because user's branch is different from item's homebranch ? |
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|Lupin| |
hi richard |
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pianohacker |
|Lupin|: shouldn't hurt anything |
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mdhafen |
I think IndependantBranches has to be on for AddReturn to limit return branch. |
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mdhafen |
And it should give a warning |
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chris_n |
|Lupin|: congratulations |
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jwagner |
|Lupin| the OPAC looks good, congratulations. Did you do customization on the advanced search screen and the record display? |
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mdhafen |
Some of my librarians have reported AddReturn not working all the time, but that might be because they aren't waiting for the page load. Haven't looked into it yet. |
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mdhafen |
Record Display is ISBD by default. |
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jwagner |
And for chris or any other translators, I can see a phrase that needs it, maybe more than one. The headers in the facets list (left side of results list) are all English, as is the entry at the top -- Limit to currently available items. Shouldn't these have translations somewhere? |
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mdhafen |
seems item types don't have icons either |
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chris |
back |
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jwagner |
mdhafen, didn't notice the ISBD display, thanks. There are still some interesting features on advanced search. |
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chris |
|Lupin|: i sent a patch for that bug with permissions on the opac |
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hdl |
congrats |Lupin |
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jwagner |
Actually, |Lupin|, do you have it set to French? I'm seeing English all over the place (advanced search, cart, etc.). |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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chris |
|Lupin|: it looks good to me, but yes it is in english (probably my browser settings kicking in) |
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jwagner |
Hi cait |
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chris |
|Lupin|: very cool, well done |
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|Lupin| |
hmm |
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|Lupin| |
soorry all |
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|Lupin| |
waas on phone |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yep, wanted to thank you a lot for the patch! it's applied on the helene branch used for the live sstem |
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chris |
excellent |
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chris |
collaboration is what makes koha great! |
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cait |
hi jwagner, Lupin, chris |
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|Lupin| |
jwagner: it should be all in french... I don't know why there are english things, I used the latest .po file |
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|Lupin| |
guten Abend cait |
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chris |
|Lupin|: koha will offer you the templates in whatever language your browser says it wants |
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cait |
lupin: is your opac online? |
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chris |
so since the en templates are there, its giving us those |
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|Lupin| |
btw: the git repo is available... git://serveur-helene.org/src/koha should work just fine. The repo is ran from sources, helene branch. |
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chris |
cool |
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|Lupin| |
cait: yep. www.serveur-helene.org |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ah I see... It's true I didn't see that much english... |
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chris |
|Lupin|: you may want to check the settings in syspref tho |
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|Lupin| |
chris: which ones ? |
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chris |
the localisation ones |
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chris |
just to make sure french is set as the default for the opac |
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|Lupin| |
chris: k... in order to set default language to french, you mean ? |
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jwagner |
chris, thanks for the tip -- I told my browser to display in French, and everything is now showing up as French. Never Mind. |
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|Lupin| |
jwagner: cool ! |
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cait |
lupin: cool! |
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|Lupin| |
chris: not sure I really want french as the default, frankly... Letting the browser tell what it wants looks fine to me... no ? |
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chris |
yep, i think so too |
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|Lupin| |
actually, this is not very customised... |
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|Lupin| |
jwagner: to answer your question: it's the ISBD view but it has been rewritten a lot... |
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|Lupin| |
one think my organisation is asking |
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jwagner |
But I would really like whatever you did on the advanced search page, for the serials searching. Have you submitted that? |
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|Lupin| |
is that the Koha logo is replaced by something else that identifies the organisaiton more |
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|Lupin| |
do other libraries also show their own logo ? |
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mdhafen |
There should be a sys.pref. just for replacing the logo. |
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|Lupin| |
jwagner: hmm ! I really think I didn't do anything at all !! |
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cait |
mdhafen: isnt there one? opacsmallimage or something? |
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mdhafen |
that's what I was thinking. |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: is your "should" a wishlist, or are you saying there already is one ? In that case I didn't find it... looked for variables like '%logo%' in systempreferences, couldn't find anything |
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jwagner |
Yes, if you load an image file about 120 x 40 pixels somewhere web accessible, then put that address in the opacsmallimage syspref, it should show up. |
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cait |
mdhafen: sorry, misunderstanding :( |
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|Lupin| |
ah I didn't look for image... cool ! |
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mdhafen |
no problem. I wasn't clear. |
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|Lupin| |
cait: anyway many thanks for the pref, you are great |
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|Lupin| |
jwagner: you mentionned icons for item types... did you mean these "Domiaine public" and "livres sous droits" ? |
| 19:58 |
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jwagner |
actually, I think it was mdhafen that mentioned those -- I don't like item type icons myself :-) In item type setup, you can assign images to each item type, like a little book or DVD. |
| 19:59 |
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jwagner |
To me, they just clutter up the screen without adding any great value. But I'm a text person. |
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|Lupin| |
chris (or someone else): in the code for downloading a book AddReturn is called immediately after AddIssue. It's just to record the fact that the book has been downloaded, in order to do some statistics later. Can it be a reason for AddReturn to fail ? |
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mdhafen |
yeah, I mentioned the Item Type images. Like jwagner says, some people don't like them. I just noticed because I'm used to seeing them, so it was something different for me. |
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|Lupin| |
jwagner: I think you know so am I, too ! :-) |
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|Lupin| |
jwagner: anyway our readers will be visually impaired persons, so adding icons makes even less sense... |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: I see. Well we only have two item types at the moment: publi domain books and copyrighted books, seems rather difficult to represent those by icons to me anyway |
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mdhafen |
hmm, maybe I'm mistaking location for Item type then. |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: can you give an example of what you call locaiton on our OPAC, please ? Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing... |
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mdhafen |
sure. On the advanced search page in the 'limit to any of the following' section, doc, docx, html, odt, pdf, rtf, txt, xml. That's what I'm seeing |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: these are collecton codes actually |
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mdhafen |
ah. Figured it must be something like that. cool. |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: collection codes == file formats |
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mdhafen |
i see. I didn't know that. |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: perhaps not that obvious... :-) |
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chris |
|Lupin|: I can't see why that would make it fail |
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|Lupin| |
so, no clue for this AddReturn problem ? |
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|Lupin| |
(no warnings in the logs) |
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mdhafen |
lupin: rather I'm not a librarian, so it wasn't obvious to me ;) |
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mdhafen |
I'm just a programmer :) |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: neither am I so it was not obvious at all how o model our things... |
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chris |
|Lupin|: is it just silently not returning items? |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: as chris said, we had (have) to bend Koha a little bit to suit our needs, but since Koha is flexible it was cactually possible to bend it |
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|Lupin| |
chris: it doesn't return items and the first argument of the returned list is 0 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: that is, the returnok thing says the retrn failed, and my script sees that and prints an error message. |
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mdhafen |
lupin: certainly. There are many places for bending... perhaps this contributed to my confusion ;) |
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|Lupin| |
chris: and indeed there are some issues in the issues table, which are precisely those that are not returned, if I understand things correctly |
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chris |
yep |
| 20:10 |
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chris |
without poking round a bit, i don't have many suggestings im afraid |
| 20:10 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: once an issue has been returned it is moved to oldissues, right ? |
| 20:11 |
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chris |
yes |
| 20:11 |
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chris |
and it should ahve its returndate set |
| 20:11 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: np... will try to debug that... just wanted to check nobody knows before diving |
| 20:11 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: well the issues are not moved... |
| 20:11 |
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* chris_n |
spends the morning debugging a rounding problem :-P |
| 20:12 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: how pleasant this must be... :/ |
| 20:13 |
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|Lupin| |
chris_n: hi, and thanks a lot for having submitted Bug 3800 :) thanks to you and chris it's fixed now. Amazing what two chriss can achieve... |
| 20:13 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3800 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, In OPAC when a logged in user tries to reach a page for which he/she does not have permission, the message saying "Koha doesn't think you have permission" is not displayed. |
| 20:14 |
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chris_n |
|Lupin|: always glad to help |
| 20:14 |
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chris |
im glad we have lots of mirrors of git.koha.org now |
| 20:14 |
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chris |
git once again shows how much better distributed version control is |
| 20:15 |
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chris |
i remember when sourceforge used to go down |
| 20:15 |
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mdhafen |
I noticed git.koha.org wasn't responding. I'm curious what happened to it? |
| 20:15 |
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chris |
now when git.koha.org disappears its an annoyance not a show stoppper |
| 20:15 |
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chris |
mdhafen: not sure, it happened last month too |
| 20:16 |
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|Lupin| |
yeah it's cool to have git |
| 20:16 |
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mdhafen |
I know my mirror is at least 1 commit behind, but it was a .po update, so I wasn't eager to apply it yesterday. |
| 20:16 |
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mdhafen |
yes, git is very cool |
| 20:16 |
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|Lupin| |
btw |
| 20:16 |
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|Lupin| |
is there some kind of freeze on master ? |
| 20:17 |
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chris |
feature freeze |
| 20:17 |
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|Lupin| |
I didn't see any commit for a month and a half or so... |
| 20:17 |
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chris |
galen is super busy, but is going to be doing merges and applying patches (bug fix patches) shortly |
| 20:17 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: rightt, but not even bugfixes have been pushed to the pub repo I think |
| 20:17 |
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mdhafen |
I'll be glad to see patches on master again :) |
| 20:18 |
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|Lupin| |
mdhafen: me too |
| 20:18 |
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|Lupin| |
one thing I noticed when our librarian started to add members |
| 20:19 |
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|Lupin| |
is that the user category which is selecte by default seems to be the first one in alphabetical order |
| 20:19 |
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chris |
yup, im sure galen is well aware of it too, maybe the gates foundation can give us 1million and we can pay fulltime release managers :-) |
| 20:19 |
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|Lupin| |
which is not very suitable for us because it's the ADMIN category, almost nobody is in that category... |
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|Lupin| |
would be nice to be able to specify a default category or even to assign ranks to them to define in which order they should appear in the list |
| 20:21 |
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pianohacker |
But then they wouldn't be alphabetic, and some librarian would look at it and have a _stroke_ |
| 20:21 |
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* jdavidb |
thinks pianohacker has librarians figured out. |
| 20:23 |
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|Lupin| |
pianohacker: well one could they sort first by rank, second alphabetically, so one would just have to give rank 1 to all the categories to have the current behaviour. rank could be 1 by default anyway... |
| 20:24 |
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jwagner |
I had to pull a trick with item creation on one site -- wish it could be done for patrons. |
| 20:24 |
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cait |
lupin: are they sorted by code or by description? for description you could just add something like a blank to your "default" |
| 20:24 |
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pianohacker |
I think it would probably best just to give a default category |
| 20:24 |
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mdhafen |
yeah, we could have another sys.pref. for that ;) |
| 20:24 |
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jwagner |
Because the blasted 942c insists on being used for item type in several places, and no one ever fills it in, I set it to default to Book rather than the first thing in line (which was a non-circulating item type). That way at least the item will show up. |
| 20:25 |
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|Lupin| |
http://pastebin.com/f31d0ca2f |
| 20:25 |
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jwagner |
I'd _really_ like to get rid of biblioitems.itemtype.... |
| 20:25 |
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pianohacker |
jwagner: even with item-level_itypes on? |
| 20:25 |
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jwagner |
Yep. |
| 20:25 |
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|Lupin| |
anybody seems something weird in this issue table ? |
| 20:25 |
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pianohacker |
jwagner: There was a proposed db update to completely excise biblioitems.itemtype, not sure what happened to it |
| 20:26 |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| I contend that anywhere it is logical to do so, the logged in branch should always be the branch selected. I'm for contextual defaults. |
| 20:26 |
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wizzyrea_ |
and alphabetized after that :P |
| 20:26 |
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* jdavidb |
gets out his excising machete...er...knife. |
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pianohacker |
|Lupin|: only thing that I notice is that issuingbranch is not set |
| 20:26 |
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jwagner |
pianohacker, I'd vote yes on that as many times as they'd let me! |
| 20:26 |
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wizzyrea_ |
200, to be exact |
| 20:27 |
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jwagner |
(Does Koha community allow for vote rigging? Register all the people in the cemeteries, quick!) |
| 20:27 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you mean.. |
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richard is now known as rich-away |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| I mean, in response to your ranking of list items suggestion |
| 20:27 |
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wizzyrea_ |
sorry that was ages ago :P |
| 20:29 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: I wonder whehter there isn't a misunderstanding... Do we gree that the suggestion was to use ranks just for user categories and not for other lists ? |
| 20:29 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: no it as not so long ago and I realized it was related, but still I didn't understand;.. I'm sorry... most certainly due to my limited skills in english |
| 20:29 |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| I think those should be contextual: i.e. the user categories of the logged in branch should always be on top, then alphabetical after that |
| 20:30 |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| I have a fairly strong consortial workflow bias. :P |
| 20:30 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: oh I didn't rrealise each branch can have different categories !! |
| 20:30 |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| well, ours do :) |
| 20:31 |
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wizzyrea_ |
(if we are talking about the same categories) |
| 20:31 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: is that lined with independent branches being set ? |
| 20:31 |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| no, we have indy branches off |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: borrowers.categorycode <-- I'm talking about these |
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wizzyrea_ |
| we are one giant happy db sharing consortium |
| 20:32 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: ok |
| 20:32 |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| Yep we are talking about the same thing |
| 20:32 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: ok |
| 20:32 |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea, how are you linking category codes to branches? I don't see any field in the setup for that. Is it just defining them with the branch name so people can see it? |
| 20:33 |
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wizzyrea_ |
jwagner: yep, example ATCHISON has ATCH-DIST |
| 20:33 |
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|Lupin| |
pianohacker: does it matter what the value of issuingbranch is ? I can certainly define it to be the homebranch of the item or something like that, it doesn't matter too much which branch it is... |
| 20:34 |
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pianohacker |
|Lupin|: It might be related to your returns problem, hard to say |
| 20:34 |
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* pianohacker |
knows as little about branch transfer logic as possible |
| 20:34 |
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|Lupin| |
jwagner: thanks for having asked the quesiton, I was about to inspect the tables :) |
| 20:35 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: anyway, if the categoies are not linked to branches in the db, then I don't see how your ordering could be implemented... it would require to add a branch field in the table where categories are defined... |
| 20:35 |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea, I was about to get code-envy, thanks for clarifying. For true consortial work, it would be nice to specify branch for item types, collection codes, patron categories, etc. etc....... |
| 20:35 |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| true, it would be quite a change |
| 20:36 |
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mdhafen |
or specify branch group |
| 20:36 |
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|Lupin| |
boooooh... so many things to code... |
| 20:36 |
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wizzyrea_ |
jwagner: it *would* be nice to be able to specify, but I think we like the simplicity that molding our libraries into set itypes/ccodes allows |
| 20:36 |
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wizzyrea_ |
(and boy howdy, do we mold them... heh) |
| 20:37 |
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wizzyrea_ |
|Lupin| I'm glad you said that, it helps me to understand the complexity of the problem. |
| 20:37 |
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* wizzyrea_ |
puts that on her list of things to suggest as enhancement... |
| 20:38 |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea_: I'm also glad to know your wish... never thought about per-branches categories... opens interesting tracks ! |
| 20:41 |
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chris |
anyone know when git.koha.org first went down? |
| 20:41 |
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wizzyrea_ |
ew, it's down? |
| 20:42 |
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jdavidb |
We first noticed it here this morning. |
| 20:42 |
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brendan |
no idea here -- just trying to get to it about 45 minutes ago |
| 20:42 |
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chris |
so how long since you noticed it jdavidb? |
| 20:42 |
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jdavidb |
7 hours, more or less. |
| 20:43 |
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wizzyrea_ |
nice! |
| 20:43 |
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jwagner |
I tried to do a git pull about 7:45 AM US Eastern time, with no luck. |
| 20:43 |
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jwagner |
Thought it was our server at first. |
| 20:43 |
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chris |
whats the time there now? |
| 20:43 |
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jwagner |
3:45 PM Eastern |
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|Lupin| |
pianohacker: well... if it's an issuing branch problem, then I would expect AddIssue rather than AddReturn to complain and fail |
| 20:44 |
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* |Lupin| |
has to confess talking so much is just a way of procrastinating... |
| 20:44 |
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jwagner |
git pull did work yesterday morning -- I was working on something then & did one. |
| 20:45 |
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chris |
ta |
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hdl |
chris : it noticed that around 11AM UTC+1 |
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chris |
thanks hdl |
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hdl |
chris_n: is that you who revamped labels work ? I have some questions about PDF::Reuse and its "handiness" |
| 20:51 |
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hdl |
chris_n: I am working on a feature for 3.2 which would add the ability to upload file for Notices. |
| 20:51 |
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wizzyrea_ |
hdl: really!!!! |
| 20:52 |
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hdl |
But I ponder whether HTML file or PDF file should be better handled. |
| 20:53 |
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hdl |
PDF File seems to be a pain in the neck to edit |
| 20:53 |
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hdl |
But HTML File would add yet another one dependancy. |
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pianohacker |
hdl: wouldn't html be easier for email notices? |
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hdl |
pianohacker: i lean to that |
| 20:58 |
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chris |
yeah |
| 20:59 |
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chris |
html gets my vote |
| 20:59 |
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hdl |
But then i have to find a way to translate HTML to PDF for printing |
| 20:59 |
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pianohacker |
hdl: Can't you just use print css, page-break-after and the like, and just print from the html? |
| 21:00 |
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hdl |
it would be process_message_queue which would print the file |
| 21:00 |
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hdl |
(for those who donot have any email) |
| 21:01 |
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hdl |
+ HTML syntax could be adapted to be TT Like |
| 21:01 |
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jwagner |
hdl, I've got to head out, but we've done several print notice development features -- haven't submitted them yet. Basically they run an HTML formatted notice to a file in a directory that's web accessible so staff can pull up the file & print them. |
| 21:01 |
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jwagner |
See Bug 3482 |
| 21:01 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses |
| 21:02 |
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jwagner |
I'll be unavailable tomorrow morning but email me or talk to jdavidb if you want more info. |
| 21:02 |
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jwagner |
Gotta run, sorry. |
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pianohacker |
I should also head out, no need to stay late now that school's caught up |
| 21:03 |
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pianohacker |
Bye all! |
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| 21:08 |
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chris |
update from clay |
| 21:09 |
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chris |
he's a good man |
| 21:15 |
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hdl |
really |
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hdl |
ok good night folks |
| 21:16 |
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chris |
sleep well hdl |
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|Lupin| |
chris: http://pastebin.com/f33545f02 |
| 21:18 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I just dumped the $messages returned by AddReturn, that's the result |
| 21:19 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I think I didn't take some constraint on branches into account... ? |
| 21:20 |
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chris |
ahhh sounds like yes its not liking you returning it at the wrong branch |
| 21:21 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: in our system each item has a home branch and a holding branch... I used homebranch to represent the organisaiton which actually owns the file, i.e. which provided it. holdingbranch has the same value for every item... |
| 21:22 |
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chris |
you might have a syspref set |
| 21:22 |
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chris |
that says items must be returned to their homebranch |
| 21:22 |
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chris |
and that might be causing this |
| 21:22 |
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|Lupin| |
wht I don't quite understand is that the same script invoking just AddIssue with a barcode worked on the dev KOha and fails on the prod KOha, databases being roughly speaking the same... |
| 21:23 |
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chris |
syspref different? |
| 21:23 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: normally not |
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|Lupin| |
chris: what I usually do is that I dump the db on the prod system and load it on the dev one |
| 21:24 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I'm just redoing the dump of the prod and reloding on the dev system to see what happens |
| 21:27 |
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|Lupin| |
ah with a fresh dump it fails on the dev install, too... |
| 21:28 |
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|Lupin| |
strange... don't think I've changed systempreferences recently... |
| 21:30 |
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chris |
lemme find the syspref for ya |
| 21:33 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I think it's IndependantBranches |
| 21:33 |
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chris |
do you have IndependantBranches set to on? |
| 21:33 |
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chris |
yeah |
| 21:33 |
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|Lupin| |
isn't it ? |
| 21:33 |
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chris |
try turning that off |
| 21:33 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yes, and I don't know why to be honnest... |
| 21:34 |
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|Lupin| |
(this does not explain why it previously worked on the dev install but perhaps I'm not gonna try to understand this... |
| 21:34 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: is it okay to turn it off while being live ? not know strange side-effect ? |
| 21:34 |
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chris |
it should be fine, try it on dev first tho |
| 21:35 |
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chris |
ie turn it off and see if it fixes the problem on dev |
| 21:35 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yeah good idea, thanks :) |
| 21:35 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: thogh the troubles may not appear immediately on the dev install .. the consequences may come to the surface only later in the future... |
| 21:36 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yep |
| 21:36 |
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chris |
it was more testing it actually fixed the problem |
| 21:36 |
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chris |
90% of koha users run with it turned off |
| 21:36 |
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chris |
its really only for consortia |
| 21:37 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok... I think we don't need it anyway. |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea_ |
and sometimes not even for them >.> |
| 21:37 |
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chris |
yeah |
| 21:41 |
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cait |
hm time to sleep, koha presentation tomorrow - good night #koha |
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brendan |
night cait |
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brendan |
yo wizzyrea |
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brendan |
to wizzyrea_ |
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wizzyrea_ |
sup |
| 21:44 |
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brendan |
just waving hi :) |
| 21:47 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yep turning off IndependantBranches fixed the problem, thanks a lot |
| 21:47 |
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chris |
np |
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wizzyrea_ |
oh hi brendan :) |
| 21:48 |
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schuster |
chris - FYI the only tweak to the branches was to "(branch:001 or branch:901)" otherwise it would bring up ALL of 901 materials |
| 21:49 |
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chris |
ahh right |
| 21:49 |
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chris |
glad it worked |
| 21:50 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yeah big relief that this issue is solved... still much to do and it's my last week as an employee, so there is some pressure :) |
| 21:51 |
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chris |
|Lupin|: when do you leave for india? |
| 21:51 |
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brendan |
hope we don't lose you from koha |Lupin| |
| 21:52 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: mid december... |
| 21:52 |
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|Lupin| |
brendan: normally not... :) comunity is so nice that I'm attached ! |
| 21:52 |
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|Lupin| |
the buddhist library will use KOha to, and Drupal... |
| 21:57 |
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|Lupin| |
bty did anybody already play with sopac ? |
| 21:57 |
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schuster |
I thought Biblibre did... |
| 21:59 |
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chris |
yes Biblibre has |
| 21:59 |
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|Lupin| |
maybe... they have written some documentaiton at least, so certainly they played with it |
| 21:59 |
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chris |
and has committed all their work |
| 22:00 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: but when AddReturn is called, is the branch argument used to update the biblo or items table ? |
| 22:00 |
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chris |
items, and the marcxml in biblioitems |
| 22:00 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: where ? in KOha's repository ? |
| 22:00 |
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chris |
id show you but i cant :) |
| 22:00 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: it updates the homebranch, right ? |
| 22:01 |
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chris |
holding |
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chris |
home is only changed when cataloguing |
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brendan |
http://demo.sopac.biblibre.com/ |
| 22:01 |
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chris |
holdingbranch = where it is now |
| 22:01 |
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chris |
http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]ds/biblibre-sopac |
| 22:01 |
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chris |
there is a copy of their sopac branch, its on git.koha.org too i think, as well as git.biblibre.com |
| 22:03 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: thank you |
| 22:03 |
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|Lupin| |
this is certainly worth giving it a try... |
| 22:04 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I assume there is no easy way to not update the items table on return... too bad perhaps we'll end up not calling AddIssue / AddReturn at all but then we'll have o log downloads manually and do the statistics ourselves... |
| 22:05 |
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chris |
you can of course pass it the branch you want it to update to |
| 22:05 |
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chris |
if you always pass it the same branch, that will ahve the same effect as never updating it |
| 22:07 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: except that it will modify the accessiondate and add some "noise" in the logs, no ? |
| 22:07 |
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chris |
yep |
| 22:07 |
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chris |
not accessiondate |
| 22:07 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: but yes, what you are suggesting is what is currently implemented |
| 22:07 |
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chris |
that never changes |
| 22:07 |
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chris |
datelastseen does |
| 22:07 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok. so just noise in the logs... |
| 22:08 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: right |
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|Lupin| |
btw, how is the due_dae calculated ? |
| 22:09 |
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chris |
uses the rules you defined in admin |
| 22:09 |
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chris |
i think defaults to 21 days if you didnt define any |
| 22:11 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: right... well shouldn't be a problem since the boks are returned immediately after having been issued... |
| 22:11 |
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chris |
*nod* |
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|Lupin| |
chris: when rising problems I sometimes feel guilty for "bending" koha as you said last time :) |
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chris |
:) |
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schuster |
gobble gobble off to spend the holiday with family! Have a great rest of the week folks. |
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bebbi |
Hello! |
| 22:25 |
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imp |
heyho |
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chris |
hi bebbi |
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|Lupin| |
guten Abend bebbi |
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bebbi |
There ist only "Koha V2.2.9 Stable Release for Windows for downloading" and not V 3 - why? |
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bebbi |
Guten Abend |Lupin| |
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chris |
because until very recently there were some modules in use with 3 that couldnt be installed on windows |
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chris |
also, for most of the developers (myself included) making it work on a proprietary operating system is low on the list of priorities |
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bebbi |
Oh thats not good for me ;-) |
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|Lupin| |
yeah very low... |
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chris |
chris_n has been doing some work with windows i think he has gotten it to a point wheer it is installable, but still lots of hoops to jump through |
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|Lupin| |
~/src/koha$ grep Windows TODOLIST |
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|Lupin| |
~/src/koha$ |
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imp |
-i ? ;) |
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|Lupin| |
~/src/koha$ grep -i win TODOLIST |
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|Lupin| |
~/src/koha$ |
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chris |
chris_n: are you about? |
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|Lupin| |
chris: btw: no idea what to reponsd re:braille embossing under Linux... |
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chris |
|Lupin|: me either |
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|Lupin| |
chris: braille printers are so different that it seems hardly doable to have them used transparently by Koha just as if they were traditional printers |
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bebbi |
I ask, because it seemed to me, that the German translation is accessible since V 3... |
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chris |
bebbi: where in germany are you? you just missed cait who is responsible for that german translation |
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* imp |
guesses lower saxony |
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|Lupin| |
yeah and seems definitely a great responsible |
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|Lupin| |
imp: ran a whois on the IP ? |
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imp |
nope |
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imp |
23:23 -!- bebbi [~Mirandai53875EB8.versanet.de] has joined #koha |
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imp |
versatel is iirc telephone / internetprovider from bremen |
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|Lupin| |
ok |
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bebbi |
Bochum |
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|Lupin| |
imp: are you using irssi ? |
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imp |
|Lupin|: yes |
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bebbi |
You ????� |
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bebbi |
know |
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* imp |
is from hannover |
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|Lupin| |
irssi++ |
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* chris |
is from wellington, new zealand |
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|Lupin| |
imp++ |
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|Lupin| |
good day NZ ! |
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|Lupin| |
here it's almost time for a sleep, so, goodnight all and till soon |
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chris |
night |Lupin| |
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imp |
chris: it's nearly time for lunch, right? |
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chris |
yep, 20 mins or so |
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|Lupin| |
thanks chris |
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|Lupin| |
Auf wiedersehen Deutschland |
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imp |
|Lupin|: you are from? |
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|Lupin| |
imp: France |
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bebbi |
If there are technical Problems for a new editon for windows ... i have a problem :-( |
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bebbi |
Tsch�ss Frankreich |
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|Lupin| |
bonne nuit ! |
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bebbi |
Adieu Missieu |
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chris |
you cant run it on a linux server? (all the clients using it can run windows of course) |
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chris |
it is just a website after all, so anything that can run a browser can access it |
| 22:39 |
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bebbi |
I hav'nt a server ... |
| 22:39 |
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chris |
ahh |
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chris |
how big is the library? |
| 22:39 |
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chris |
if it is small |
| 22:40 |
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chris |
then you could run the vmware image |
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chris |
http://contribs.koha.org/exten[…]ns.php?category=9 |
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imp |
can you run koha with xampp? |
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chris |
imp: conceivably |
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chris |
imp: im not sure anyone has |
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bebbi |
Oh, its only for me ... i'm interessted in ILS and i have books and lotts of News-Paper articles ... |
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chris |
ahh then that vmware image is perfect |
| 22:41 |
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chris |
you can get the free vmware player for windows |
| 22:41 |
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chris |
and run koha as a virtual machine |
| 22:41 |
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bebbi |
It seems to be complicated - or not ? |
| 22:42 |
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chris |
i dont think its too bad, certainly far less complicated than getting 3 running on windows |
| 22:43 |
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chris |
another option is the livecd |
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chris |
that might be easier |
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chris |
http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ |
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bebbi |
Ok, than it's my next job to install vmware |
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chris |
with the livecd you download the .iso write a cd, then you can boot from that and run koha |
| 22:44 |
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chris |
which is a good way to test without installing anything |
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bebbi |
But a live-Cd is bot so comfortable ...but good for testing - yes |
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chris |
*nod* |
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bebbi |
*nod* ???? |
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chris |
picture me nodding my head |
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chris |
:) |
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bebbi |
Ah,ok |
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bebbi |
My keyboard-Layout switch to Hebrew evry minute currently ... :-( |
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brendan |
chris any word from the debian guys - to package koha |
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chris |
its not really up to them |
| 22:53 |
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chris |
basically vincent danjean has done 90% of the work |
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chris |
we just have to fix some stuff |
| 22:53 |
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chris |
so it can be finished |
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brendan |
thanks - just curious |
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chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]an_packaging_work |
| 22:53 |
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chris |
written up here |
| 22:53 |
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chris |
basically it just has to be done |
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bebbi |
Thank you for the support ... |
| 22:54 |
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chris |
and then we can let him know we have fixed the blockers |
| 22:54 |
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chris |
and hopefully get it finished off |
| 22:54 |
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chris |
bebbi: no problem, hope you get it up and working |
| 22:55 |
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chris |
brendan: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]r_to_package_koha |
| 22:55 |
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brendan |
reading through it now :) |
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chris |
:) |
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bebbi |
It seems to be difficult ... e.g. Because of I have to reed many english texts ... and my English is not realy good :-( |
| 22:57 |
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chris |
if you try to come back here in about 10 hours time (ie during your day) |
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chris |
you might be able to catch cait |
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chris |
and she might be able to help |
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bebbi |
I will try my best ... an in Germany we say "Du w�chst mit deinen Aufgaben" (You get better with your problems) |
| 22:59 |
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chris |
in english we say |
| 22:59 |
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chris |
"What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger" |
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bebbi |
Ok |
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bebbi |
Thats the same meassage :-) |
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chris |
yep |
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imp |
chris: 1:1 in german: "was dich nicht t�tet, macht dich st�rker" |
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Nate |
until tomorrow #Koha! |
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russ |
chris: i'll be freeish after next week to help start sorting conference stuff |
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russ |
313/6 happy with that :-) |
