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mason |
awwww, thanks ian |
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Nate |
goodnight # Koha! |
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chris_n2 |
any thoughts on what the problem might be here: |
| 02:42 |
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chris_n2 |
18:35:20-11/11 [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) |
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chris_n2 |
18:35:20-11/11 [log] error grs.marcxml.record C:\DOCUME~1\Me\LOCALS~1\Temp\UPfnH9F7VQ/biblio/expo |
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chris_n2 |
rted_records 753800 |
| 02:43 |
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chris |
missing bib numbers? or bib numbers in the wrong field? |
| 02:43 |
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chris_n2 |
so that is what the warn is telling me? |
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chris |
*nod* |
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chris_n2 |
chris: is there some sort of regex filtering of the isbn before it is inserted into the biblioitems table? |
| 03:04 |
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chris |
its plausible |
| 03:05 |
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chris |
i dont know for sure |
| 03:05 |
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* chris_n2 |
sees some things like: 0802452965 (v. |
| 03:05 |
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chris_n2 |
which should be 0802452965 |
| 03:05 |
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chris_n2 |
bulkmarcimport seems to botch the isbn up even more |
| 03:06 |
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chris_n2 |
coming up with things like: 8476452438 (v.1) | 8476453221 (v.2) |
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Amit |
hi chris_n2, chris |
| 03:34 |
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Amit |
good morning #koha |
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chris_n2 |
hello Amit |
| 03:35 |
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* chris_n2 |
is up too late again |
| 03:36 |
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chris_n2 |
chris: should I expect to encounter some problems when exporting records from one koha install and importing them into another? |
| 03:37 |
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chris |
hmm i wouldnt have thought so, but maybe the export mucked something up |
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Amit |
heya brendan |
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brendan |
Hi Amit |
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brendan |
good day to you |
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chris_n2 |
chris: the issue appears to be with bibs with multiple 020 fields |
| 03:59 |
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chris |
ah |
| 03:59 |
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chris_n2 |
maybe a bug? |
| 03:59 |
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chris |
sounds like it might be |
| 03:59 |
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chris_n2 |
should the export/import routine handle this case? |
| 03:59 |
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chris |
im not sure, i think you need someone who understands marc more than i do |
| 03:59 |
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chris_n2 |
there also seems to lack some normalization |
| 03:59 |
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chris_n2 |
galen? |
| 04:00 |
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chris |
yeah galen or thd |
| 04:00 |
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* chris_n2 |
is the farthest thing from a marc guru :-P |
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chris_n2 |
my problem is every time I find a bug I want to fix it immediately |
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* chris_n2 |
heads off to find sleep |
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Ropuch |
Morning #koha |
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hdl |
hi |
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kf |
morning #koha |
| 08:19 |
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nahuel |
http://k-int.blogspot.com/2008[…]z3950-server.html |
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nahuel |
hi kf |
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kf |
hi Nahuel |
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chris |
paul_p: did you know sebastien chabal is doing advertisements in nz, for a sports store ... i just saw it on tv |
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paul_p |
chris: no. |
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* paul_p |
leave for 2 hours, meeting with bank... |
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chris |
ahh good luck, in case u need it |
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paul_p |
chris: just going to negociate a line of 100k€ ;-) |
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chris |
ahhh |
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* chris |
is watching the twitter coverage of nengard speaking |
| 09:04 |
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chris |
http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23fribib09 |
| 09:06 |
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kf |
chris: me too :) |
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Ropuch |
[; |
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Ropuch |
Guten tag kf, hello chris |
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Ropuch |
s/tag/Tag |
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chris |
hi Ropuch |
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kf |
Guten Tag Ropuch |
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|Lupin| |
good day folks ! |
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kf |
hi |Lupin| |
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|Lupin| |
hello kf ! |
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* |Lupin| |
booting Windows... biam |
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| 09:35 |
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Ropuch |
Is there an agenda for the conference? I'd like to post a news about it on polish librarian forum |
| 09:36 |
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chris |
lemme see if i can find it |
| 09:37 |
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Ropuch |
Thanks |
| 09:39 |
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chris |
http://translate.google.com/tr[…]otech.no%2F&tl=en |
| 09:40 |
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chris |
http://libriotech.no/node/22 |
| 09:40 |
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chris |
http://translate.google.com/tr[…]2Fnode%2F22&tl=en in english |
| 09:41 |
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Ropuch |
Thanks chris |
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| 10:19 |
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Ropuch |
Livestream from Bergen is pretty good |
| 10:19 |
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chris |
i couldnt get it to work |
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| 10:20 |
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chris |
i think that's a sign i should go to sleep |
| 10:21 |
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Ropuch |
I'm only 1k kliometers from Bergen ;> |
| 10:22 |
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chris |
ahh that makes sense, im about 1million :) |
| 10:22 |
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Ropuch |
Yea, I know :) |
| 10:22 |
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chris |
ok, good night |
| 10:23 |
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chris |
have a good day europe :) |
| 10:23 |
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* chris |
goes to bed |
| 10:23 |
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Ropuch |
Hm, due to dns issues it's actually the only web services that works form me now ;> |
| 10:23 |
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Ropuch |
Good night |
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|Lupin| |
good night chris |
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CGI597 |
Trying to get the 856 tag (Online Resources) text to be linkable but open in another windows. I have tried adding some html into the feild but this won't work,. Does anyone know if this can be done? |
| 10:45 |
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|Lupin| |
question for librarians |
| 10:46 |
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|Lupin| |
could somebody pls tell me in which marc flavour the title is in 245 ? |
| 10:46 |
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|Lupin| |
is that MARC21 style ? |
| 10:47 |
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CGI597 |
Well, 245 is a (one) title tag, yes. Is that what you mean? |
| 10:47 |
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Ropuch |
Yep |
| 10:48 |
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|Lupin| |
CGI597: does Koha know that the field is a link ? (cf. cataloguing framework...) |
| 10:48 |
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CGI597 |
Link? Do you mean link an Authority link? |
| 10:48 |
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|Lupin| |
CGI597: I'm not sure... I get a MARC thing from a Z39.50 server and I'm not sure of the flavour... |
| 10:49 |
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CGI597 |
You saved a MARC record from a Z39.50 server? What are you trying to do with it? |
| 10:49 |
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|Lupin| |
CGI597: no, a web link. In Koha you can say that a field contains a link, and if that is specified Koha will make it possible to click on the link... go to the cataloguing framewok array, search for your field and you shold be able to activate it as a link |
| 10:50 |
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|Lupin| |
CGI597: trying to figure out the right syntax for the server :) |
| 10:50 |
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CGI597 |
I am getting confused!!! Are you helping me with the question I asked about opening in a new window? |
| 10:50 |
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Ropuch |
CGI597: you can tweak the .tmpl to do this |
| 10:52 |
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CGI597 |
Oh, never thought of that. I can try and find it, but don't suppose you know which tmpl file offhand, do you? opac-results maybe? |
| 10:54 |
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Ropuch |
opac-detail.tmpl |
| 10:55 |
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CGI597 |
cool, thanks |
| 10:55 |
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Ropuch |
aaa |
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Ropuch |
wair |
| 10:55 |
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Ropuch |
Wait |
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CGI597 |
ok |
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CGI597 |
for what |
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Ropuch |
I totally forgiot |
| 10:55 |
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Ropuch |
Ypu don't have to ,mess with tmpl |
| 10:56 |
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CGI597 |
even better! |
| 10:56 |
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Ropuch |
Just set the OPACURLOpenInNewWindow sypref ON |
| 10:56 |
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Ropuch |
[; |
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CGI597 |
that easy!? super, will try that. |
| 10:57 |
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Ropuch |
Guess I need coffee more than I thought |
| 10:57 |
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CGI597 |
um, it is on already but still opens in the same window |
| 10:57 |
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Ropuch |
Hm |
| 10:57 |
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Ropuch |
<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --><a href="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" title="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" target="_blank"><!-- TMPL_ELSE --><a href="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" title="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->"><!-- /TMPL_IF --> |
| 10:57 |
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Ropuch |
It's from my template |
| 10:58 |
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CGI597 |
from the opac-detail? I'll check |
| 10:59 |
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CGI597 |
yeah, strange. It's there on mine too. |
| 11:00 |
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Ropuch |
Put <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --> somewhere on opac-detail and see what it will show |
| 11:01 |
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CGI597 |
anywhere in that file? |
| 11:02 |
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Ropuch |
<div class="results_summary"><span class="label">Online resources: <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --></span> |
| 11:02 |
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Ropuch |
Like that |
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Ropuch |
You will know then when to look for it ;> |
| 11:02 |
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Ropuch |
Setting OPACURLOpenInNewWindow works for me - the urls are opened in new windows |
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CGI597 |
Even more strange. I have done this and it still opens in the same window. |
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|Lupin| |
back ! sorry, had network problems |
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|Lupin| |
(a power failure actually) |
| 11:14 |
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|Lupin| |
CGI597: did you find an answer for your URL problem ? |
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Ropuch |
CGI597: you have any value after Online resources: ? |
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|Lupin| |
hmm ok... given a marc record, is there a way to figure out which flavour it is, which encoding is used for the characters, etc. ? |
| 11:19 |
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|Lupin| |
I assume there is no way, else Koha would deal with that by itself... |
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|Lupin| |
k, editor in 260... |
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Ropuch |
kf: I haven't noticed the onscreen hebrew keyboard on your opac before - I want to introduce koha to roclaw Study of Jewish Culture and Languages and I'm sure they will ask about hebrew titles |
| 11:38 |
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kf |
Ropuch: its a simple solution, most code is the html table |
| 11:38 |
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kf |
CGI597: which version of Koha are u using? is XSLt-display on? |
| 11:40 |
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Ropuch |
kf: now I have working example |
| 11:40 |
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kf |
Ropuch: I can send you a German howto |
| 11:40 |
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Ropuch |
I wonder if any polsih commercial ILS can do this [; |
| 11:40 |
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Ropuch |
kf: it would be great |
| 11:41 |
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Ropuch |
I will inlude sshot from your library in my presentation for sure [; |
| 11:41 |
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kf |
Ropuch: its still in our non-public wiki - but I am working on a public documentation too - its just a time problem. will send you a pdf as email |
| 11:41 |
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kf |
Ropuch: thank you! |
| 11:41 |
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Ropuch |
kf: thank you :) |
| 11:44 |
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Ropuch |
I've just ordered Deutsch-Polnisches Sprachtandem : Aufgaben und Tipps f�r Anf�nger |
| 11:45 |
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Ropuch |
We have a trainee in Centrum, he's learning polish, so we can help each other |
| 11:45 |
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kf |
Ropuch: cool :) you can train a little with me too :) |
| 11:46 |
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Ropuch |
Actually he's speaking polish very good after only one year course |
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Ropuch |
kf: let me learn some basic first :) |
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kf |
Ropuch: email sent |
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kf |
Ropuch: my notes are in German, but I think you can just copy the code to sysprefs |
| 11:49 |
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Ropuch |
kf: that is not a problem at all: I have lots of german speaking people around, pro translators and native geramn speaker included |
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Ropuch |
[p; |
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kf |
Ropuch: :) |
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kf |
lunch time - bbl :) |
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CGI597 |
connection hung there, couldn't refresh.....anyway, I still didn't solve the OPACURL problem |
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kf |
back |
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|Lupin| |
is it possible with a Koha in Unimarc to receive and impor records in MARC21 from a Z39.50 server ? does Koha handle this correctly ? |
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nicomo_laptop |
|Lupin| not that I know of, there's no format translation on the fly |
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|Lupin| |
nicomo_laptop: hmm! thanks :) |
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|Lupin| |
nicomo_laptop: so if one attempts to do that, what happens ? fields are copied "blindly", so, say, MARC21 field 800 becomes unimarc field 800, no matter the semantics ? |
| 13:12 |
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nicomo_laptop |
as far as I gather, yes |
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nicomo_laptop |
it uses the default framework and tries to enter data in that |
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nicomo_laptop |
that being said, now that we have a unimarc xslt, and a marc21 xslt we could theoretically do something on the fly |
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|Lupin| |
nicomo_laptop: ok... |
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|Lupin| |
nicomo_laptop: and do you think there are conversions tools outside of Koha, open-source tools that I could tr to integrate somewhere somehow ? |
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nicomo_laptop |
I've been looking for that, but have not found any so far. I did not search thoroughly, though |
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|Lupin| |
nicomo_laptop: I'm trying to understand how far the two dialects are from each other |
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|Lupin| |
nicomo_laptop: is it just a matter of permutation of fields and subfields, or are there deeper semantic differences ? |
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nicomo_laptop |
on the biblio level, it's just permutation of fields/subfields |
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nicomo_laptop |
authorities are different |
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|Lupin| |
nicomo_laptop: I see... |
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|Lupin| |
So, a conversion tool would not be too difficult to write, would it ? |
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|Lupin| |
nicomo_laptop: I think the mapping is documented on loc.gov... |
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nicomo_laptop |
Ask Kivutar, I think he started something on this |
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Kivutar |
|Lupin|: http://www.loc.gov/marc/unimarctomarc21.html |
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Kivutar |
and we started a marc21tounimarc.xslt |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: ok this page is one thing, but is there some code that could be used to translate one into the other ? |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: I don't understand why it is an xslt thing you did... for us we don't want to convert just for display... we want to convert when the records are sent by the Z39.50 server and then store them in Unimarc in Koha... |
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Kivutar |
|Lupin|: xslt is not 'just for display' :) |
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nicomo_laptop |
XSLTransform |
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Kivutar |
it'is a transformation language, you can get its output |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: so when a record arrives, ou'd store it in MARCXML, transform it with the xslt, and then reload it... right ? |
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Kivutar |
|Lupin|: yes, using an XSLT processor |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: yep. |
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Kivutar |
|Lupin|: http://pastebin.com/m609a935d |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: what I don't really understand: why would this be preferable to just write something in Perl using the MARC::Record and MARC::Field modules ? wouldn't that be just lighter and easier to integrate to Koha ? |
| 13:29 |
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Kivutar |
good question |
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Kivutar |
the good thing with xslt is its portability |
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Kivutar |
you can't let users upload perl scripts on your server right? |
| 13:29 |
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Kivutar |
but you can let them specify an xslt url |
| 13:30 |
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Kivutar |
for the same result (and more code) you get security |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: hmm... for somehting intended to be integrated to Koha, I'm not sure requiring an additional dependency over an XSLT processor is more interesting than having a native Perl translator... unless Koha already depends on an XSLT processor for something ? |
| 13:31 |
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Kivutar |
I think it does |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: why should users have to upload something ? as I see it this converter should be integrated into Koha... |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: ah but I think I understand your point... it's because not every body will want to do the mapping the same way, right ? |
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Kivutar |
|Lupin|: first they don't need to upload, just specify an url |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: so for you some flexibility has to be left to the user regarding the way the mapping is done... |
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Kivutar |
|Lupin|: if they want to specify the url for a MARC21toDANMARK.xlst they can |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: you mean they can with the curent version of Koha ? |
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Kivutar |
|Lupin|: not with the current version, but if we choose to use xslt for convertion, then they will be able |
| 13:35 |
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Kivutar |
and we could do the same thing for pdf generation with xsl-fo :) |
| 13:36 |
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Kivutar |
that would be great |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar (or nicomo?): is the MARC21toUNIMARC.xsl file mentionned in your code available somewhere ? |
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Kivutar |
|Lupin|: not released yet, it is not finished and I must say I am not proud of how I coded it =/ |
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Nate |
good morning #Koha! |
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jwagner |
good morning Nate & everyone. |
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|Lupin| |
Kivutar: I see... |
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Roger |
Hi there! There is someone who can help me? I have a simple doubt. |
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jdavidb |
Several who might be able to, Roger, depending on the problem. |
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Roger |
Ok |
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Roger |
I just wanna know.. can I install koha in a windows server? |
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jdavidb |
It can be done; it has been done. It's *not* easy or trivial, as I understand it. I have not ever done it, myself. |
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Roger |
ok |
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Roger |
indeed I wanted to install it in a simple windows xp |
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Roger |
I don't need more than this, my library is very small |
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Roger |
have you heard about this was already done before? |
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jdavidb |
Oh, yeah, it's been done plenty. I suggest looking at this page on the koha wiki: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohaonwindows |
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Roger |
Yes, thank you very much for your help! |
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jdavidb |
You bet. :) Glad I could be of service. |
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jwagner |
question for people on calendars and branches -- it looks the the system obeys the calendar of the branch _owning_ the item when checking it out (for closed dates, etc.), rather than the calendar of the patron. Is that the case, and is there a way to change it? |
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jwagner |
We have a library where patrons can borrow items belonging to any branches, but the branches are closed different days than the main library. This is resulting in different due dates for items checked out on the same day, because one item belongs to main & another to a branch. |
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owen |
Sounds like a bug... Wouldn't you always want the due date to be set according to the issuing branch? |
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kf |
CircControl |
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jwagner |
I'm not sure -- I wanted to get input from people who have more experience with multi-branch systems than I do. |
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kf |
I think the syspref CircControl is used for things like that |
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jwagner |
kf, you're right -- the circcontrol syspref is set to item home library. What are the implications of changing that to patron library? I think it has broader effects than just due dates. |
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kf |
I have only 1 branch per installation (and glad about it) , so I never tested it |
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kf |
but I think the calendar uses it too (I think I saw it in the code for notices/fines) |
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owen |
jwagner: I only find references to that preference in Circulation.pm and fines.pl, FWIW |
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jwagner |
I seem to remember it also affects holds and circ rules. Have to do some testing.... Thanks. |
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kf |
jwagner: I think there is also a new syspref for reserves in head, with similar choices |
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Ropuch |
Hm, correspondence in x subfield instead of v |
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Ropuch |
Polish use of MARC21 is creepy sometimes |
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hdl |
jwagner: Maybe you should set CircControl to PickupLibrary in your cas rather than ItemHomeLibrary in your case |
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jwagner |
Thanks, we'll do some experimenting on it. |
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Ropuch |
kf: what german z3950 server can you recommend? I'm using z3950.gbv.de atm |
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kf |
Ropuch: oh, can you give me the date for that one? |
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Ropuch |
kf: sure |
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kf |
Ropuch: you know, there are several union catalogs in Germany, I work for SWB, but not sure if MARC21-Z39.50 is already publicly available |
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kf |
Ropuch: hm, problem is, we already have 3 MARC21 formats here |
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Ropuch |
We had 2 few years ago, but national library managed to switch to MARC21 |
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kf |
I am speaking of MARC21 |
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Ropuch |
Noticed it now |
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kf |
we have something like 'worldcat format' without $0 $w (ids for authority / title linking), DNB withoug ISBD punctuation and for ILS (which is for Koha with ISBD punctuation and $0, $w etc.) |
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owen |
I love it when I see notes on a patron's account that start this way: "DO NOT READ THIS NOTE OUT LOUD" |
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kf |
:) |
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paul_p |
owen: lol |
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jwagner |
reminds me of some test notes I used with message creation -- being excessively grumpy one day, I set up a note that read "Patron is a PITA" (meaning Pain In The Ass). |
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paul_p |
and good morning/afternoon/evening/night everybody |
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kf |
Ropuch: I will check if our Z39.50 is accessible for you |
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owen |
The sad thing is I know why the message had to start that way... Some people just can't seem to restrain themselves. |
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Ropuch |
kf: thanks |
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paul_p |
hdl: on peut skyper 2mn ? |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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kf |
good morning chris_n |
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|Lupin| |
I'm wondering what "breeding" means... can somebody explain, pls ? |
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|Lupin| |
or perhaps give a tranlsation in french ? |
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kf |
Lupin: context? |
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|Lupin| |
kf: so the Breeding.pm module would be a kind of context ? |
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kf |
hm. |
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kf |
perhaps its related to staged marc import? or import? (not very sure here) |
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|Lupin| |
kf: yeah it's definitely related to imports, that's how I came to it... I was just trying to clarify how... |
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|Lupin| |
kf: thanks anyway ! |
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Ropuch |
I've just read that MS want to patent sudo ;> |
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* jdavidb |
saw "skeeved" used in the Washington Post today, and though of wizzyrea, who was the first person he ever saw use it at all. |
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wizzyrea |
LOL! |
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wizzyrea |
nice! |
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jdavidb |
first-screen-listed article, too, not some back-of-beyond link. |
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reiko |
hi, sorry for abusing of this channel to ask questions but i can't find a solution for my problem: i'm running koha 3.00.01 and i'm having problems with authorities search: 1.Koha won't retrieve results for 3 of the 5 auth types we have 2. When i search for authorities using the parameter "all headings" i get an error 114 (attribute not suported), which probably refers to attr 1=Any. |
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wizzyrea |
nah, we like abuse :) |
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wizzyrea |
(though I'm sorry I don't have an answer for your question) |
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reiko |
thank you wizzyrea |
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|Lupin| |
I was wondering... |
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|Lupin| |
is there a Koha conference planned for next year ? |
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Colin |
reiko: You night want to look at the zebra config files for a later release. I'm sure there was a fix applied for it |
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wizzyrea |
|Lupin| International KohaCon is going to be in New Zealand, I'm pretty sure |
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chris_n |
git gurus: can I 'git merge working_branch testing_branch' to merge "test" work back into my working branch? |
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Colin |
chris_n: yes |
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Colin |
If you just want a couple of commits you can use git cherry-pick |
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chris_n |
Colin: tnx |
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hdl |
reiko: are you using DOM or GRS1 configuration ? |
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reiko |
hdl DOM |
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reiko |
i think, how can i check that hdl? |
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kf |
ok - time to leave work :) have a nice day/morning/evening everybody |
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hdl |
reiko: you can check koha-conf.xml |
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hdl |
And see if it refers to authorities-dom.xml |
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hdl |
And see if it refers to authorities-dom.cfg |
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reiko |
it does |
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hdl |
If so, you are using DOM. |
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reiko |
yeay! |
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reiko |
but it isn't workin |
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hdl |
Any is not defined in DOM mode |
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hdl |
You have to use that. |
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hdl |
sorry Add that |
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reiko |
ah ! |
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reiko |
that explains 114 when searching with any |
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reiko |
where do i need to add that? |
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hdl |
in your index.xsl |
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reiko |
authority-zebra-indexdefs or koha-indexdefs-to-zebra ? |
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hdl |
authority-zebra-indexdefs |
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reiko |
wow, its a big file |
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reiko |
hdl, can it be that the auth types i can't get search results from need to be defined here aswell? |
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hdl |
mmm could be |
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reiko |
now all i need is to understand how i am going to add those |
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pianohacker |
Hi |
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owen |
Hi pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
hey |
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schuster |
Brendan here? |
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schuster |
drat - was wanting a contact for the Vermont group. |
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chris |
morning |
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owen |
Hi chris |
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chris |
hiya owen |
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pianohacker |
morning chris |
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schuster |
Hey... chris et. al.. |
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chris |
heya schuster, hows texas? |
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schuster |
As a librarian I don't understand this full tech part - so was wondering if there is a document or something that can explain how a developed "patch" submitted to git gets "packaged" etc... I may have the cart before the horse, but don't know. Just in theory. |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea: do you intend to participate ? |
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pianohacker |
schuster: I don't know if there's a document per se |
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schuster |
yesterday I asked about the 3.2 and the merging bibs - and chris indicated it needed to be "packaged" and I don't really understand what/how that works. |
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schuster |
I also talked about the work pianohacker had done and was posted on the wiki and chris indicated there again about "installing and packaging it"... |
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schuster |
There have been references in the past that "packaging" after developing something can take some time to do - so I am just trying to understand how the full Development cycle works. |
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Ropuch |
Good evening |
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schuster |
Idea, design, develop, test, revise, package?, git, release? or what is the flow and the steps. |
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chris |
hmm i dont think i said packaged |
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chris |
i said merged |
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schuster |
OK so I made that word up, but you get my question? |
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chris |
when someone sends a patch |
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chris |
the release manager has to apply it to the branch in git it is applicable to |
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chris |
so you develop, test locally, send a patch, the release manager applies and tests, if it is ok, pushes it to the main git repo |
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chris |
some time later a release is made, containing not just that feature/bugfix but a bunch of others |
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chris |
with pianohacker's ajaxcirc work, the patches were out of date, so had to be brought back up to date and fixed, before they can be resubmitted |
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pianohacker |
chris and I are working on that at the moment |
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chris |
it is a perfect example of what happens when patches arent either sent or applied in a timely manner, and what is gonna happen on a much bigger and much more annoying scale, when liblime finally decide in 2020 to release their lek code |
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brendan |
morning schuster, pianohacker, chris, and everyone else |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.7�C (9:36 AM PST on November 12, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). |
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pianohacker |
hi brendan |
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schuster |
So again Librarian here... how much time on the release managers part does it take to "applies and tests" just one patch and say it is a simple thing nothing elaborate like HOLDS redo or anything. |
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chris |
craploads |
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pianohacker |
schuster: varies |
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schuster |
hi brendan... I was looking for you earlier, but got my answer. |
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brendan |
sweet |
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chris |
schuster: always more than you think |
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brendan |
was it on IRC |
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schuster |
brendan yes. |
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chris |
unless it is a one or 2 line template change |
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brendan |
cool will go read in the Logs |
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chris |
the main thing is testing for unintended side effects |
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schuster |
I would suspect that is the hardest thing to determine are the side effects. |
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chris |
that's why it is in fantastic that for 3.4 we are going to have a bug wrangler and a qa manager |
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chris |
that takes 2 jobs off the RM |
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chris |
which will allow them more time to do other things, and should hope in faster turnaround on patches |
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schuster |
So will the aq and wrangler have their own systems that are "in sync" with the RM? theoretically or will they all be working off the same system? |
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chris |
own systems in sync |
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schuster |
aq/qa sorry. |
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chris |
git makes that easy |
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brendan |
schuster the best person to talk with at vokal |
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brendan |
is Richard Pritsky |
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brendan |
he was at kohacon |
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schuster |
brendan - ok thanks - this was in regards to KUDOS in the US and someone that was at ALA annual. I think it was the director from stowe |
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brendan |
Yes Stephanie Chase was their |
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brendan |
there |
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schuster |
That's who I have emailed so am waiting to hear from her. Thanks for your time. |
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brendan |
of course |
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* chris |
is watching nz vs pakistan in cricket |
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brendan |
test match |
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chris |
20/20 |
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chris |
and adding travel tips |
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chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ngton#travel_tips |
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chris |
i hope to hear back from more venues soon, would love to confirm dates and venue |
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jwagner |
chris, I had a dream the other night that I was on the plane for Kohacon in NZ, first class seat, big smile on my face, looking forward to the trip despite the long flight. The bell dinged for the pilot to say you could move around the cabin now, except horrid reality intruded and it was my alarm clock instead :-( |
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chris |
hehe |
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chris_n |
jwagner: lol |
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chris_n |
chris: can you free my email from the list jail please :-) |
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chris |
yup |
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jwagner |
Dreams are SO much nicer than reality.... |
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chris |
the flight is really not that bad anymore, now you have the seatback entertainment its much better, course i have done that flight about 30 times now |
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chris |
so im used to it |
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chris |
just get an aisle seat so you can walk around is my tip |
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jwagner |
the problem is that I have arthritis rather badly (and also need a knee replacement) -- I have real trouble sitting in an airplane seat for that long, even with getting up and moving around occasionally. |
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schuster |
At one point you recommended a particular airport etc... I was looking the other day and Aukland was a major airport with a transfer to Wellington I believe... Comments? |
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schuster |
Might be good to put that info on the wiki too. |
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chris |
yep you really only have 2 options |
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chris |
three maybe |
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chris |
auckland, and christchurch are the 2 major international airports |
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chris |
or there are direct flights australia to wellington |
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chris |
jwagner: ahh yeah, that would be bad |
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jwagner |
I did some checks for flights and some were connecting through Sydney to Wellington |
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chris |
*nod* |
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* jdavidb |
debates the fun of arriving in Auckland and *driving* to Wellington. |
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jwagner |
Yeah, travel is generally painful. But going to New Zealand might be worth it. |
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chris |
be warned that will add a few hours to your trip (going thru sydney) |
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chris |
jdavidb: its about 10 hours in a car |
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chris |
if you dont stop |
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chris |
or 55 mins in a plane :) |
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jdavidb |
No biggie, then, for those of us used to that. I'd rather take a night, and make a mini vacation out of it. |
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chris |
*nod* |
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chris |
its a nice drive |
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chris |
just keep left :-) |
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jdavidb |
:) I can do that. |
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jwagner |
I've driven in England -- guess I can remember the trick of it. But I hope the roads are a bit wider than some of the English country roads. |
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chris |
there are tons and tons of akl->wlg flights |
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chris |
so getting to auckland for cheap is the best bet :) you do have to pick up your luggage and clear customs there anyway |
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chris |
so booking a flight all the way through, doesnt save you much, unless it is cheaper :) |
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jwagner is now known as jwagner_meeting |
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chris |
bbiab |
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schuster |
hmmm $1400USD right now from DFW to Wellington 2 stops - not bad. |
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jdavidb |
LAX and Aukland, for the stops, schuster? |
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* jdavidb |
can't type today. Auckland, of course. |
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owen is now known as owen-away |
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schuster |
Yep. |
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jdavidb |
$2300 from the DC area, right now, round-trip. Lordy. |
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|Lupin| |
does anyone know how the number of items displayed in OPAC result pages is computed ? I assume it's from the number of rows in the items table with the same biblionumber... ? |
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|Lupin| |
are you guys taling about the prices of planes to NZ because of the conference ? |
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schuster |
Funny my mibbit has deals to NZ starting at $798! quantas and Air NZ |
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pianohacker |
|Lupin|: on search results it comes from the holding tags in the MARC, on detail pages it comes from the items table; and yes |
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|Lupin| |
pianohacker: ok jesse, thanks a lot for this both concise and informative response :) |
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pianohacker |
you're welcome :) |
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|Lupin| |
is there a date that has been decided for the next conf already ? |
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chris |
jdavidb: i found one 1049 lax->akl retn |
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pianohacker |
Yes |
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chris |
tentative |
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chris |
15, 16, 17 november |
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chris |
those dates or ones similiar |
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chris |
i have 4 more quotes to receive |
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chris |
then i will confirm |
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chris |
should be in a week or so |
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chris |
(wont go later than that, dont want to get to close to thanksgiving in the US) |
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chris |
so may be the week before |
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chris |
8,9,10 |
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chris |
but most likely 15,16,17 november 2010 |
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chris |
jdavidb: check out virgin australia, seems to be cheap at |
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chris |
the moment |
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chris |
ok now i have to catch my bus |
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brendan |
I've been watching the quantas deals and it seems that's close to good window for travel. Anything that gets close to Thanksgiving time here -- the prices shot way up |
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brendan |
so I've vote for earlier in November |
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brendan |
errrr... I'll |
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brendan |
typed english is failing me at the moment :) |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok, thanks a lot for the info, very good to know ! |
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|Lupin| |
gotta go |
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|Lupin| |
see you soon all |
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richard |
hi |
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brendan |
good day richard |
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richard |
hi brendan |
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chris |
back |
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richard |
hiya chris' |
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brendan |
wb chris |
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brendan |
how goes the cricket |
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chris |
we suck |
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chris |
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakvnz[…]story/434285.html |
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brendan |
Still need to route from them :) |
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brendan |
whoops -- root |
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brendan |
are there going to be any cricket matches in NZ around the time we'll be there for kohacon |
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brendan |
or any rugby? |
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* wizzyrea |
would like to watch rugby, even though sports are not normally her thing. |
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chris |
cricket will def be on |
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chris |
its summer, so rugby will only be on tv |
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wizzyrea |
hrmph |
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chris |
nz will be touring the northern hemisphere handing out beatdowns to france, italy, england etc |
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chris |
but we could watch a game at a sports pub |
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chris |
thats quite an nz experience :( |
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chris |
:) even |
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brendan |
pubs++ |
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hdl |
hi chris |
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brendan |
hi hdl |
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hdl |
hi brendan |
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wizzyrea |
beer++ |
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brendan |
NZ++ |
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chris |
hiya hdl |
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brendan |
doesn't like it when my co-workers are traveling -- don't have anyone to talk with :) |
| 19:57 |
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brendan |
so tag -- you're it #koha |
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wizzyrea |
awww |
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chris |
hehe |
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chris |
looks like it was a good first day |
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chris |
of the conference |
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brendan |
does anyone know of a status for a bulk item editor |
| 19:58 |
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brendan |
I thought I heard word of something |
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* brendan |
goes to look through bugs |
| 19:59 |
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chris |
yeah it exists |
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chris |
i have it running on my catalyst demo, another biblibre one |
| 19:59 |
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chris |
im not sure if its in master yet |
| 19:59 |
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brendan |
bug 3509 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3509 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Batch item edit |
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chris |
lemme find it for ya |
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chris |
it might be a little bit different |
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chris |
http://librarian.koha.catalyst[…]tools/batchMod.pl |
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chris |
works pretty good |
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schuster |
do you have a login we can play with? |
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chris |
check your pm schuster :) |
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chris |
http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]refs/heads/master |
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chris |
is what it is running |
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chris |
git clone git://git.catalyst.net.nz/koha.git |
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chris |
will get you a copy of it |
| 20:10 |
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chris |
it has my nearly finished recommendations feature |
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chris |
as well as kete integration |
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owen |
Recommendations feature? |
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* chris |
will pull it up for ya |
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chris |
prolly cant be used so good with us libraries that anonymise checkouts, not in its current form |
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chris |
http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.[…]-search.pl?q=fish <-- that is kete integration |
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chris |
excuse the slowness, the machine it is on is currently running 38 virtual servers |
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ricardo |
Hi everyone! :) |
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schuster |
That works pretty good. Thanks for sharing chris. |
| 20:14 |
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schuster |
I wonder if you could use something very similar for batch deletes? |
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chris |
http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.[…]pl?biblionumber=4 |
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chris |
owen: click the recommendations tab |
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chris |
schuster: im sure it could |
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owen |
Neat. And that's based on circ data? |
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chris |
yep, cron job runs nightly, that updates the recommendations |
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chris |
too slow to calculate on the fly |
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brendan |
nice nice |
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brendan |
recommendations++ |
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chris |
so if it was run before the circ data was anonymised |
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brendan |
howdy owen |
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chris |
then after running it for a few montsh, you could switch it on in the opac |
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chris |
and you would have some decent data |
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chris |
all it stores is this |
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chris |
+----+------------+------------+-----------+ |
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chris |
| id | biblio_one | biblio_two | hit_count | |
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chris |
+----+------------+------------+-----------+ |
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chris |
| 1 | 4 | 68692 | 2 | |
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chris |
| 2 | 4 | 108069 | 2 | |
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brendan |
chris where is this coming from - is this your development |
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schuster |
chris that is way cool! |
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* brendan |
reads back :) |
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chris |
yep, for albany senior high school, im rolling it out there in the next week or so |
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chris |
it will miss the cut for 3.2 (we are in feature freeze already) |
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chris |
but ill submit the patches up so people can use it, and it will go in to master as soon as 3.2 is branched |
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* chris |
does all development in the open |
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owen |
:) |
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schuster |
:) |
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brendan |
open development++ |
| 20:20 |
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schuster |
karma chris++ |
| 20:20 |
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* brendan |
has had a bunch of coffee this morning :) throwing lots of karma around |
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schuster |
What happened with granular permissions?? I poked and don't see anything on the borrower record. |
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chris |
lek happened |
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chris |
i think biblibre have done some work on it though as well |
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chris |
lemme find it for ya |
| 20:21 |
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pianohacker |
PTFS did some work in that realm also |
| 20:21 |
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pianohacker |
not sure when it will be submitted |
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schuster |
curious what happens with the few granular permissions that I have right now and what will happen when I get updated to 3.2... |
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pianohacker |
jdavidb (or jwagner when she gets back)? |
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jdavidb |
We've been hacking on it some, and as soon as that worthless geek who does that (me) gets his head above water, it'll be out on the street. |
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pianohacker |
jdavidb: awesome |
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brendan |
jdavidb any update on a public repo for PTFS |
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schuster |
boy chris may have his work cut out for him with 3.4 if all that development drops at the same time. |
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jdavidb |
<--the bottleneck. |
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brendan |
good luck jdavidb |
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chris |
schuster: id rather that than the oppositie ;-) |
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schuster |
jwagner - would you go over and make him quit eating donuts... |
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chris |
typing fail |
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schuster |
True chris. |
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jdavidb |
It's possible I might get a few branches tossed over the wall this weekend, depending on how a couple of things go between now and then. |
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brendan |
hello sekjal |
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chris |
hiya sekjal |
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schuster |
chris et al - granular wasn't turned on so they didn't show... few. |
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chris |
cool |
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jwagner |
schuster -- saw the comment about making jdavidb quit eating donuts. That's not the problem :-) But for the past week or so he's been in my office raiding my leftover Halloween candy! |
| 20:33 |
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Ropuch |
chris: I'm just translating some Koha history into polish, on wiki I've read "In 2001, Paul Poulain (of Marseille, France) began adding new features to Koha, most significantly support for multiple languages.", on your blog Benedykt P. Barszcz and Pawel Skuza are meant to "start the translation ball rolling" |
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pianohacker |
halloween candy is a danger to society and waistlines |
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schuster |
and teeth! I feel mine rotting daily! |
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Ropuch |
I will happily mention polish guys, but I want to be acurate [; |
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chris |
yeah they beat him |
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Ropuch |
hehehe |
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chris |
the most accurate one is the history.txt in git |
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chris |
http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]docs/history.txt; |
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Ropuch |
Thanks |
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chris |
June 23 2001 Benedykt P. Barszcz working on translations translation, community, poland |
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chris |
June 24 2001 Pawel Skuza working on a script to automate translations translation |
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chris |
February 22 2002 Paul Poulain sends an email saying he will work on Koha |
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chris |
March 6 2002 Paul becomes the 7th committer to Koha |
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chris |
uly 12 2001 Pawel Skuza becomes the 2nd committer outside of Katipo, and 6th overall and commits his translation script |
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Ropuch |
I just want to mention them, it's brief history ;> |
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sekjal |
hi, chris and brendan |
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sekjal |
sorry, was gliffing |
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chris |
so polish guys were very early in the history of koha |
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Ropuch |
I wonder what they are doing nowadays |
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sekjal |
trying to document the process by which we're going to connect our SFX Open Linker Resolver to Koha |
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chris |
Ropuch: if i remember right Benedykt was from a monastery |
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ricardo2 |
chris: There's also another religious "Benedict"... but I think that one works in the Vatican and not in a Monastery ;-) |
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chris |
heh |
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chris |
wow i found an email from him from august 2000 |
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pianohacker |
long_term_email_storage++ |
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ricardo |
pianohacker: Hmm.... I'm not sure I know that nick ;-) |
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owen |
outlook_express-- # for long_term_email_storage |
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owen |
(That's what ate my 2000-era email archive) |
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Ropuch |
chris: yes, he's from Societas Apostolatus Catholici |
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chris |
good work sherlock holmes :) |
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jwagner |
sekjal, re SFX -- I've done a little work with setting Koha to link to SFX, but haven't gone the other way. Shouldn't be too hard -- just put in the URL prefix and isbn=whatever. |
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chris |
http://twitpic.com/p9gd4 <-- wellington zoo today |
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Ropuch |
chris: ;-) |
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ricardo |
(one of the good things of being Portuguese is that it's easy to understand *some* Latin, even without having learned it, eheh) |
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jwagner |
awwwwww |
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ricardo |
chris: I hope that the two creatures lying down had their lunch *before* that pic ;-) |
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chris |
hehe |
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sekjal |
jwagner: yes, we figure it won't be too hard to create an SFX target to connect to Koha; it's missing amongst the ILS Targets already in SFX, and that should not persist |
| 20:52 |
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ricardo |
sekjal: SFX? We're not talking about "Sound Effects", are we? |
| 20:53 |
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jwagner |
About two jobs ago I worked on an install of SFX/Metalib, and Ex Libris was pretty willing to work with us on setting stuff up, and including it in future general releases if appropriate. They might still be open to that. |
| 20:53 |
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sekjal |
ricardo: no, we're talking about Ex Libris' OpenURL resolver |
| 20:54 |
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ricardo |
sekjal: Gotta love TLAs... Thanks for the info :) |
| 20:54 |
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jwagner |
Would there be general interest in the work I did to make a link from Koha to SFX? I hard coded it in the template, but it wouldn't be hard to set it up as a syspref to enter the URL, then wrap it around the ISBN. |
| 20:55 |
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sekjal |
jwagner: that might be neat. we were thinking some JS overtop might be the least invasive way to do it quickly |
| 20:55 |
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jwagner |
Might be at that -- I'm no JS wizard. I go for the brute force approach :-) |
| 20:55 |
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jwagner |
I turned on the COINS thing, but that apparently only works if someone has a browser plugin. This site wanted the link always on for all their users. |
| 20:56 |
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jwagner |
er, ISSN for SFX that is. |
| 20:56 |
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sekjal |
my original plan was to dump the SFX menu URL into the biblioitems.uri field (MARC21's 856), but rethinking it, that's not strictly necessary |
| 20:56 |
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jwagner |
(I did both ISBN and ISSN for this site at their request) |
| 20:56 |
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jwagner |
I just coded it around the 856u in the XSLT templates. |
| 20:57 |
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sekjal |
I'd just need to hardcode our SFX root URL, and then have the JS pluck up the ISBN/ISSN from the bibliorecord |
| 20:57 |
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jwagner |
Gotta head home now -- keep me posted & let me know if you want what I've done. |
| 20:57 |
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sekjal |
jwagner: will do! |
| 20:57 |
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Ropuch |
What kind (male/female) of noun is "Koha"? [; |
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richard |
it virtually means "gift" but i'm not sure if that has any male/female connections |
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sekjal |
does Maori have gendered nouns? |
| 20:59 |
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Ropuch |
I wonder |
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Ropuch |
Well, as it ends with 'a' I treated her liek a girl ;-) |
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richard |
not that i'm aware of but chris will be your best bet there |
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Ropuch |
I guess |
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sekjal |
according the collective wisdom that is a naive Google search, Maori generally does not have gendered nouns. |
| 21:03 |
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sekjal |
which I always found a source of confusion when I was studying German. |
| 21:03 |
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sekjal |
perhaps this will make it easier for me to pick up Maori by next year |
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chris |
:) |
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Ropuch |
So she's a girl for me ;> |
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chris |
no note gendered nouns |
| 21:05 |
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Ropuch |
We have gendered verbs in polish |
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sekjal |
Ropuch: interesting! ::takes note:: |
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ricardo2 |
(grumble...) |
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chris |
koha is a noun or a verb |
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ricardo2 |
Mibbit is not as stable today as it usually is |
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hdl |
shuter already done |
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hdl |
(batch deletes I mean) |
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Ropuch |
sekjal: ;> |
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chris |
we dont really have gendered anything |
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chris |
but we have different possessives |
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Ropuch |
Lucky you |
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Ropuch |
When posting forms we're forced to add male/female versions |
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chris |
tÄku for my/mine when the possessor is dominant |
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Ropuch |
As "Gdyby zechcial Pan/Zechcia�a pani" |
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ricardo |
Portuguese has genders in its language (as do most "latin" languages, I think - Spanish, Italian, French...) |
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chris |
taku hē = my mistake |
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richard is now known as rich-away |
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chris |
tÅku is neutral form |
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hdl |
reading back logs |
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chris |
(both are singular) |
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sekjal |
Ropuch: what is the difference between the male and female forms of a verb? when would I use one over the other? |
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chris |
drop the t, for plural |
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chris |
one gotcha |
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chris |
is i would say taku he, for my mistake |
| 21:11 |
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chris |
but toku whakaaro, for my thoughts |
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chris |
also, even though you are dominant over food, you would say toku kai ... because food is so important |
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chris |
here endeth the lesson |
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Ropuch |
sekjal: it does matter in past forms: On poszed�, Ona posz�a, Ono posz�o |
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Ropuch |
He went, She went, it went |
| 21:13 |
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* owen |
remembers the same from his Czech lessons |
| 21:13 |
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Ropuch |
But there's not a hard rule for it |
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Ropuch |
owen: yep |
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sekjal |
Ropuch: ah, so the verb gender connects to the pronoun/noun gender |
| 21:14 |
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Ropuch |
yes |
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sekjal |
chris, Ropuch: this is great. I find linguisitics fascinating |
| 21:15 |
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sekjal |
I took a semester in college, same semester as my first programming course, and my advanced algebra |
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chris |
sekjal: you must talk with my dad then |
| 21:15 |
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sekjal |
that semester was a headtrip |
| 21:15 |
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chris |
he is a licensed translator and interpreter |
| 21:15 |
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sekjal |
chris: very cool |
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chris |
majored in russian at university, speaks italian, russian, german, and maori |
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chris |
(oh and english) |
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chris |
my sister majored in chinese, and did a year doing her masters at shanghai university |
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chris |
im the only one in my family that only speaks 2 languages hehe |
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| 21:19 |
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Ropuch |
We have a treinee from Germany at work: besides german he speaks french, little italian & spanish, english and after just one year of learning he's actually speaking polish |
| 21:19 |
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Ropuch |
And he speaks good - I'm more than impressed |
| 21:20 |
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chris |
some people have natural ability |
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chris |
it is a great skill to have ;) |
| 21:21 |
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Ropuch |
Yeah |
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pianohacker |
linguistics is fun |
| 21:23 |
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pianohacker |
interesting to see unexpected connections between languages (like similar vowel pronunciation of spanish and japanese) |
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hdl |
python, java ruby, javascript, fortran, ada, Haskell |
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hdl |
trinitary roots |
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chris |
:) |
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pianohacker |
bbl |
| 21:28 |
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hdl |
quite a huge discovery in linguistics |
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Ropuch |
I've counted 75 languages on translate.koha.org |
| 21:30 |
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Ropuch |
Nice |
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Ropuch: Don't talk about languages, please. OK? I'm in "turbo mode" translating the Portuguese PO file for staff! ;-) |
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chris |
hehe |
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ricardo |
hdl: Hi Henri! :) |
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yeah i just added sindhi the other day |
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Ropuch |
I don't feel like translating staff today, I'm preparing speech on Koha for open source conference ;> |
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chris |
cool |
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ricardo |
hdl: I'm around line 43000 in the Portuguese PO file. I think that I will have this wrapped up in a day or two. Would that be still on time for 3.0.5? |
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ricardo |
Ropuch: That's cool. Good luck for your speech! :) |
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hdl |
ricardo I think so |
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hdl |
hi ricardo |
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hdl: Cool. Thanks for the info :) |
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ricardo: I thought I should release this week. |
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ricardo |
hdl:Hmmm... And do you still think that? |
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hdl |
But some weirdness in french po and my work kept me out of this. |
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ricardo |
hdl: That's great! (please don't take this the wrong way, eheh) |
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hdl |
So I think it will have to wait next week |
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hdl: That's (very) fine by me. |
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sekjal |
time to head to the train. cheers, #koha |
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Ropuch |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers - is this a most comprehensive list of Koha users/ |
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Ropuch |
? |
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ricardo |
hdl: Talking about weirdness, there's some weirdness related to "C4::Language" that affects the Portuguese pt-PT translation (mistakingly uses the very incomplete - specially for staff - pt-BR one). I talked with Chris about that and he suggested to remove the pt-BR translation, while he doesn't get around to "refactor" C4:Language. Right chris? |
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chris |
yeah, i meant to email you hdl, can we leave the pt-BR .po file out of the 3.0.5 release |
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chris |
Ropuch: its one list of users |
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chris |
another list is at libwebcats lemme get it for ya |
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chris |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]earch-advanced.pl |
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chris |
just type koha in the current automatiion system (dont choose any of the options just type koha) |
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chris |
and it will find all the koha - independent, koha - liblime, koha - ptfs etc |
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chris |
there are 43 pages of them :) |
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ricardo |
OK. I'm leaving to home now. Take care everyone! :) |
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hdl |
ricardo: I can |
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ricardo |
hdl: Cool. Thank you very much! :) |
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ricardo |
chris: Thank you, as well |
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ricardo |
OK. Off I go. Bye people! |
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Ropuch |
chris: bah, I totally forgot about lib-web-cats |
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schuster |
bye |
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g'evening |
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Good evening & good night [; |
