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| 00:13 |
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chris_n |
chris about? |
| 00:18 |
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chris_n |
@later tell chris please release my email from list jail :-) |
| 00:18 |
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munin` |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:19 |
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pianohacker |
chris_n: what happened? |
| 00:19 |
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chris_n |
my reply had to many recipients |
| 00:19 |
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chris_n |
and so it awaits "moderator approval" |
| 00:21 |
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pianohacker |
Ah. Might be easier just to resend in approvable form, none of my jailed emails have ever been released |
| 00:25 |
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chris_n |
chris took care of one the other night for me |
| 00:25 |
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pianohacker |
ah, nvm then |
| 00:26 |
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| 00:36 |
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Jo |
afternoon all |
| 00:37 |
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pianohacker |
hey Jo |
| 00:38 |
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Jo |
hiya |
| 01:02 |
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chris_n2-away is now known as chris_n^2 |
| 01:40 |
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chris_n^2 |
its awful quiet tonight/today |
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| 02:00 |
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pianohacker |
boom |
| 02:00 |
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pianohacker |
crash |
| 02:00 |
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pianohacker |
*bang* |
| 02:01 |
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* chris_n^2 |
loves the sound of virtual noise |
| 02:03 |
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ebegin |
hi all! |
| 02:04 |
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brendan |
heya #koha |
| 02:05 |
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chris_n^2 |
hi ebegin && brendan |
| 02:07 |
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ebegin |
Is there a solution for the time required to save a record? |
| 02:08 |
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chris_n^2 |
you mean saving a bib record? |
| 02:10 |
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ebegin |
yes, that's what I mean. It currently takes almost 1 minutes between the time I'm pressing the Save and getting the items page... |
| 02:10 |
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chris_n^2 |
yeah, lots of JS form validation going on there |
| 02:10 |
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chris_n^2 |
it can be painfully slow |
| 02:11 |
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pianohacker |
ebegin: do you have a lot of mandatory fields or subfields? |
| 02:12 |
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ebegin |
Not really "a lot". Less that the default framework |
| 02:13 |
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pianohacker |
hmm |
| 02:14 |
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pianohacker |
reducing it even a tad might help, if it's that slow currently |
| 02:15 |
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chris_n^2 |
@later tell chris nvm, I resent the email to the list only, tnx |
| 02:15 |
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munin` |
chris_n^2: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:15 |
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* chris_n^2 |
takes pianohacker's way out of jail |
| 02:16 |
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pianohacker |
hehe |
| 02:16 |
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pianohacker |
chris_n: saw it |
| 02:16 |
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ebegin |
Anybody knows if the code process only the fields that are displayed in the editor or it validate all values, even those that are not displayed in the editor? |
| 02:16 |
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chris_n^2 |
@quote random |
| 02:16 |
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munin` |
chris_n^2: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009) |
| 02:16 |
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chris_n^2 |
lol |
| 02:17 |
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chris_n^2 |
ebegin: I think only the fields included in the framework you have setup are validated |
| 02:17 |
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chris_n^2 |
so less fields == faster validation time |
| 02:18 |
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ebegin |
Hmm... that could be a nice optimization though. I'll doublecheck that because we actually don't need validation on fields that are not displayed in the editor |
| 02:18 |
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ebegin |
... or maybe I missed someting. |
| 02:19 |
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pianohacker |
Less validated fields, at least; it loops mandatory fields to see if they're present, rather than looping every field to see if it is mandatory and present |
| 02:19 |
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* chris_n^2 |
seems to remember some discussion a while back about stripping down the frame work to only the fields/subfields used |
| 02:24 |
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| 02:33 |
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* chris_n^2 |
calls it a night |
| 02:33 |
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chris_n^2 is now known as chris_n2-away |
| 02:33 |
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chris |
chris_n^2: discarded the message, so you wont get a double up |
| 02:33 |
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chris_n2-away |
chris: tnx |
| 03:32 |
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pianohacker |
good night |
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| 03:48 |
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brendan |
good night |
| 04:00 |
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| 04:00 |
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schuster |
anybody testing the pre 3.2 release? |
| 04:01 |
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chris |
yep |
| 04:01 |
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chris |
there are still some things to get merged in though, including the new acquisitions |
| 04:02 |
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chris |
then there will be more heavy testing, before a release candidate |
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Amit |
hi chris, brendan, richard |
| 04:02 |
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Amit |
good morning #koha |
| 04:02 |
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richard |
hi Amit |
| 04:05 |
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chris |
schuster: why do you ask? |
| 04:06 |
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schuster |
Hey... I was on the Biblibre "test" site and I was going to add a user, but couldn't figure out how there wasn't a button! When I searched for a borrower Schuster - there wasn't an option to add me! |
| 04:07 |
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chris |
ah that is just testing some of the stuff as far as i know |
| 04:08 |
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schuster |
OK just made me panic a little that I couldn't add a user! |
| 04:08 |
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chris |
i dont think it is running a copy of master |
| 04:08 |
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chris |
yeah :) |
| 04:09 |
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chris |
3.2 is still a little ways off, have to merge in the last of the features, then lots of testing |
| 04:10 |
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schuster |
In the last IRC they were talking about a final 3.0003 type run before the full 3.2 release or something like that. |
| 04:10 |
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chris |
well there is gonna be a 3.0.4 |
| 04:10 |
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chris |
but that is 3.0.3 with bugfixes .. none of the new features |
| 04:11 |
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chris |
its in parallel to 3.2.0 |
| 04:12 |
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schuster |
Henri I thought was running this 303 type system x......115 was the version I was on today... I want to help out, but am a little handicapped in places! |
| 04:12 |
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chris |
yep, HDL is doing the 3.0.4 release and I have been helping him out a bit, we are nearly done, then there will be a week or 2 for the translators, then 3.0.4 released |
| 04:13 |
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chris |
meantime galen and others are working on what will be 3.2.0 |
| 04:13 |
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chris |
you might like to fire off an email to the koha-devel list |
| 04:13 |
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chris |
asking what would be the best use of your time |
| 04:14 |
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schuster |
OK that's a great idea. thanks |
| 04:15 |
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schuster |
Dogs are asleep and it is cool here tonight so I bet I sleep well tonight! |
| 04:16 |
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schuster |
talk to ya later! |
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| 04:37 |
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chris |
hmmm |
| 04:52 |
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wajasu |
any developers here? |
| 04:54 |
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* chris |
is just about to catch a bus home |
| 04:56 |
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chris |
the rest are most likely asleep (the americans), or just about to wake up (the europeans) |
| 04:59 |
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wajasu |
i'm reading the dev wiki right know and debating weather or not i should set up the dev environment and submit an enhancement. |
| 04:59 |
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wajasu |
i helped set up a koha box for a new library and they are importing their files. |
| 05:00 |
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chris |
we are in feature freeze for 3.2.0 at the moment, so it wont make it into 3.2.0 but it could go in the next feature release |
| 05:03 |
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wajasu |
the pain that they are having is when they import and the item call number is assigned (currently pulled from either the 090 or 050 field), they need it to be smarter. |
| 05:04 |
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| 05:04 |
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wajasu |
a preference allows the selection from one or the other of those two fields by specifying which accordingly. |
| 05:06 |
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wajasu |
i am wondering if we could let them specify a list of places (i.e. more than one) so that during import if the 090 field had a call number, its imported, then if 050 is not empty, import it, and so on. |
| 05:08 |
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wajasu |
I might be able to code it backwards compatible so existing system prefs continue with the same behavior, but newer ones that list additonal fields import accordingly. |
| 05:10 |
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wajasu |
the preference field become a fancier rule field, which it already is. But, I wouldn't want to submit such a patch unless it made sense for others. |
| 05:11 |
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wajasu |
I guess if I could do this simple patch, and I understand the process, then I might work on some other need since I have the dev environment set up. |
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Ropuch |
Morning, #koha |
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Amit |
hi nicomo, ropuch, magnusenger |
| 05:57 |
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magnusenger |
hi Amit |
| 06:01 |
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Ropuch |
hello Amit, magnusenger |
| 06:04 |
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magnusenger |
hi Ropuch |
| 06:04 |
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nicomo |
morning all |
| 06:04 |
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Ropuch |
heheh |
| 06:05 |
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Ropuch |
#koha: the greeting channel ';> |
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tjr |
Is there any method to non interactively modify a marc record in Koha, idea is just to add item records to the existing record non-interactively. Can MarcEdit be used non interactively. Has any one written perl program to modify marc record out side koha environment and update the koha marc record (including items) with the modified one . |
| 06:20 |
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tjr |
Is there any method to non interactively modify a marc record in Koha, idea is just to add item records to the existing record non-interactively. Can MarcEdit be used non interactively. Has any one written perl program to modify marc record out side koha environment and update the koha marc record (including items) with the modified one . |
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Ropuch |
Morning, paul_p |
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kf |
good morning |
| 06:41 |
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Ropuch |
Hello kf |
| 06:42 |
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kf |
hi Ropuch |
| 06:42 |
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Amit |
hi kf |
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kf |
hi Amit |
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| 07:09 |
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slef |
chris: If anyone else asks, I wouldn't use fink on MacOS again. People using MacPorts seem to have far more success than I did, but that may have been the sysadmin. |
| 07:09 |
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slef |
I should add a comment to that blog page. |
| 07:27 |
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hdl_laptop |
chris: Is there any Template validator tool we could use to prove our template are well formed ? |
| 07:36 |
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chris |
htmltidy does an alright job |
| 07:38 |
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kf |
good morning chris |
| 07:39 |
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chris |
weblint is good too |
| 07:39 |
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chris |
hi kf |
| 07:39 |
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kf |
chris: search for [ Intranet for 3.1.x/3.2 ] de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po seems not to work, you get results where the term is not included |
| 07:40 |
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chris |
hmm not sure if i can do anything about that im afraid |
| 07:40 |
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kf |
chris: I was afraid you would say that |
| 07:41 |
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kf |
chris: I think I had this problem before, perhaps something went wrong when the files got updated? |
| 07:42 |
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chris |
could be i guess |
| 07:43 |
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kf |
sometimes the term is on the same page as the wrong result |
| 07:51 |
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magnusenger |
Hm, how is the "Serial record flag" in 942s supposed to work when it is hidden in the editor (hidden = -5)? |
| 07:52 |
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chris |
hdl_laptop: http://koha.pastebin.com/m5541ecd5 |
| 07:54 |
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hdl_laptop |
chris thanks for that. |
| 07:55 |
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hdl_laptop |
But I want to be able to ensure that an open TMPL_IF or TMPL_LOOP or TMPL_UNLESS is closed. |
| 07:55 |
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hdl_laptop |
Not an html validator... (even if it should be used more often. |
| 07:55 |
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hdl_laptop |
Very curious so many </div> are found missing. |
| 07:56 |
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hdl_laptop |
Maybe because <TMPL_IF> and <div> are misplaced. |
| 07:56 |
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chris |
yep |
| 07:57 |
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chris |
nope there isnt a html::template validator |
| 07:57 |
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chris |
another reason to move to template toolkit |
| 07:58 |
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chris |
http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]3fb498a9081c14431 |
| 07:58 |
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chris |
plus http://search.cpan.org/~mbait/[…]ate/Convert/TT.pm |
| 07:58 |
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chris |
:) |
| 08:04 |
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hdl_laptop |
plus http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=466269 |
| 08:06 |
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chris |
yeah we use TT for stuff.co.nz |
| 08:06 |
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chris |
only using 1 filter (cleaning whitespace) |
| 08:06 |
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chris |
but its really handy |
| 08:08 |
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chris |
(plus you can cache rendered output into memcached) |
| 08:10 |
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chris |
its on my list to work on once 3.2 is out |
| 08:10 |
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chris |
magnusenger: sorry just saw your question |
| 08:10 |
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chris |
and i dont have an answer |
| 08:11 |
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magnusenger |
thanks for noticing, anyway... ;-) |
| 08:13 |
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magnusenger |
I guess my real question is how to generate subscriptions for serials when they are imported from a batch of MARC records. Or must the subscriptions be created manually after the import? |
| 08:15 |
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hdl_laptop |
MARC records and subscription are two different things. |
| 08:15 |
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magnusenger |
Hm, there's lots of info about subscriptions that are not in the MARC, so i guess the best I can do is to create a very basic subscription from the MARC, just the link to the record, really. |
| 08:15 |
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hdl_laptop |
We usually add subscriptions after bib imports. |
| 08:16 |
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hdl_laptop |
yes This is what we usually do |
| 08:16 |
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magnusenger |
so you use the MARC-data to create some SQL to generate basic subscription-info? |
| 08:16 |
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magnusenger |
or is there another way to do it? |
| 08:17 |
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hdl_laptop |
usually ILSes have subscriptions tables. |
| 08:17 |
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hdl_laptop |
And we use that. |
| 08:18 |
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magnusenger |
a ha, not sure my client's ils has that, though, must check |
| 08:19 |
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magnusenger |
hdl_laptop, do you know what part 942s is supposed to play in this? |
| 08:20 |
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hdl_laptop |
Llers would be better placed than me to answer. |
| 08:20 |
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magnusenger |
ok, thanks! |
| 08:22 |
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chris |
lol |
| 08:23 |
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chris |
good luck with that |
| 08:23 |
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chris |
i vote asking an ex Ller |
| 08:23 |
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magnusenger |
;-) |
| 08:30 |
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| 08:36 |
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chris |
ill answer here CGI912 |
| 08:36 |
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chris |
yes, you can use the marc uploader in the tools section |
| 08:37 |
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chris |
btw, a simple hello is considered polite |
| 08:37 |
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chris |
:) |
| 08:38 |
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chris |
and if you ask here, the question and answer get logged so hopefully help others :-) |
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| 08:43 |
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chris |
heh |
| 08:43 |
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slef |
cloak and daggers |
| 08:43 |
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chris |
for the record the question was |
| 08:43 |
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chris |
20:35 <CGI912> Is there any way we can update the existing marc record using bulkmarcimport.pl any other porgram with the modified marc record. At least we should be able to add items to the existing record this way. |
| 08:48 |
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chris |
hmm i wonder if penny is still leading the vote for keynote speaker for code4lib |
| 08:49 |
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chris |
hmm nope tim o'reilly has passed her |
| 08:49 |
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chris |
Tim O'Reilly [77]; Penny Leach [76]; Paul Jones [75]; Cathy Marshall [71]; Randall Munroe [69]; Peter Morville [68]; Mark Pilgrim [67]; Adrian |
| 08:50 |
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chris |
Holovaty [63]; Jonathan Zittrain [57]; Mitchell Baker [52]; Jon Udell [51]; Jono Bacon [44]; Andy Lester [42]; Joe Lucia [41]; Richard Stallman [41]; |
| 08:50 |
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chris |
Daniel Pitti [40]; Clifford Lynch [38]; Benjamin Mako Hill [38]; Joan Frye Williams [33]; Patrick Ball [32]; |
| 08:55 |
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slef |
boo! ;-) |
| 08:55 |
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slef |
where's the vote? Where's the conference? ;-) |
| 08:56 |
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chris |
http://code4lib.org/conference/2010/ |
| 08:57 |
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chris |
http://vote.code4lib.org/election/index/11 |
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chris |
hi Colin |
| 08:58 |
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Colin |
Hi Chris |
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Amit |
hi colin, chris_n2 |
| 09:30 |
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Colin |
Hi Amit |
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chris_n2-away |
slef: code4lib conf is only 5 hours from where I am |
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* chris_n2-away |
might wander out there |
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slef |
chris_n2-away: Asheville, North Carolina |
| 10:29 |
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chris_n2-away |
oh, g'morning |
| 10:29 |
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chris_n2-away |
slef: yeah, we often vacation in that area |
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slef |
vote page doesn't work. No time to debug it now. |
| 10:30 |
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slef |
(just a page of names, one per underlined line) |
| 10:30 |
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slef |
mmmm, vacation |
| 10:30 |
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* chris_n2-away |
heads off to find b'fast, bbiab |
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Amit |
hi slef |
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slef |
hi Amit |
| 10:38 |
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slef |
Damn. I deleted a small feature trying paul_p's git tip. It's not that simple. :-( |
| 10:38 |
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* slef |
tried to find a copy of that feature in another git clone |
| 10:38 |
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slef |
s/tried/tries |
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slef |
heh, his network uplink is protecting him again ;-) |
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chris_n |
hi Amit |
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jwagner |
kf, around? |
| 12:17 |
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kf |
jwagner: just saw your reply |
| 12:17 |
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jwagner |
To Bug 3380? Wanted to follow up with you on that. |
| 12:17 |
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munin` |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3380 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer bsz-bw.de, NEW, Serial enumeration / chronology should display in opac holds interface. |
| 12:18 |
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kf |
jwagner: do you always show the volume column or only if there are values for it? |
| 12:20 |
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jwagner |
Just doublechecked -- it's always there. |
| 12:21 |
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kf |
jwagner: ah ok, this will work as well. I wanted to try to show the column only when its needed, so that we save some space |
| 12:22 |
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kf |
jwagner: when do you think its ready to be sent out? its a little urgent for us... library opens on october 12th and patrons need to request volumes of journals because they are in closed stacks |
| 12:22 |
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jwagner |
Ours is more the brute force approach... |
| 12:23 |
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jwagner |
The feature has finished testing -- it's a question of when we can get it sent out. Maybe in the next week? David? |
| 12:23 |
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jdavidb |
Likely so. I'd like to get a bunch of things thrown over the transom this week or this weekend. Intended to last weekend, but Life Gets In The Way Sometimes. |
| 12:24 |
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jwagner |
FYI, we are also working on another feature, to allow multiple holds by one patron on one title (i.e., for different serials issues). That one's not near completion yet, but I thought I'd let you know it's coming. Haven't done a bugzilla on it yet, come to think of it. |
| 12:24 |
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kf |
I would be really happy if it could get in 3.2, because its really needed for us |
| 12:25 |
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kf |
do you want to take the bug then? |
| 12:25 |
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kf |
or I could try to redo my patch with column only shown when needed |
| 12:25 |
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jwagner |
If you think ours would work for your needs, sure. |
| 12:25 |
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jwagner |
Having the column only show when needed would be an elegant revision :-) |
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kf |
Dont know if I can do this - but I would like to try |
| 12:27 |
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jdavidb |
kf: Anything I can do to help, I'll be glad to. :) It never hurts to have another contributor to Koha. |
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kf |
you know, Im not a programmer, but I want to learn to do more things. This is something we need and seemed not so difficult |
| 12:29 |
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jwagner |
kf, I'm not a Real Programmer either, I just play one on TV :-) And send all sorts of "why didn't you do it this way" feedback to the real developers when I'm testing their stuff :-) |
| 12:31 |
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kf |
I think working together makes koha so great, librarians and developers |
| 12:32 |
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kf |
ok. I will try to redo the patch so that the column shows after call number, as in your screen shot, but only when its needed - and will add to the bug if successful or not |
| 12:33 |
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kf |
ok? :) |
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jwagner |
So you're going to redo yours? Do you still want us to send ours out? |
| 12:34 |
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jdavidb |
Excellent! :) |
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kf |
I wont touch staff, so this will still be missing |
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kf |
I dont know what else jdavidb's patches might include |
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jdavidb |
Well, I'll still throw it out there, because we're committed to do so in all but the most tiny customizations, or when customer security won't let us. you can decide, kf, if you'd like to use it. |
| 12:42 |
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jdavidb |
If your answer is a better one, I'm fine with that, or if you think of a good way to enhance ours, please do! |
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kf |
jdavidb: perhaps its just that I started working on this and perhaps want to find out if it will work as I think... and it would be only a little different to your solution. But we definitely need a solution in a stable koha release - yours or mine. perhaps I should just hand over the bug ;) |
| 12:46 |
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jdavidb |
I'll bump it to the top of my list, then, and get it thrown over the wall. Getting it into 3.2 is not up to me, but gmcharlt, but hopefully he can be wheedled into taking it in. |
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kf |
I hope so |
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* gmcharlt |
accepts chocolates ;) |
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kf |
:) |
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nengard |
ooo - is that the secret?? :) |
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jdavidb |
Chocolate can be arranged, gmcharlt. Lotsa good karma is also negotiable. |
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gmcharlt |
more seriously, doesn't strike me that it's going to be an archiecture-shattering change |
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kf |
I can offer swiss chocolate - Konstanz is near to the border |
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kf |
gmcharlt: can you ignore my patch from yesterday please? |
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jdavidb |
Not really, gmcharlt. This is a relatively minor enhancement, codewise, but is a nice touch. |
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gmcharlt |
kf: ok |
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kf |
gmcharlt: thx :) |
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ebegin |
good morning koha! |
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owen |
Hi ebegin |
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owen |
Thinking about a particularly nasty bug we're experiencing, I wonder if we're missing out on a lot of bug reports because they're staying between customer and vendor? |
| 13:14 |
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owen |
There's certainly nothing to be gained in publicly fixing a bug if you're not sharing your work with the world. |
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slef |
We used to pass almost all bugs to bugs.koha.org but I got bored arguing the toss, so it only happens when it's clear-cut and can't possibly be blamed on the customer. I am reviewing our past fixes while trying to clean my tree for publication, though. |
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slef |
Also, quite a few of the bugs we get are already reported by other more cutting-edge testers |
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slef |
then I just add myself to cc |
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slef |
Finally, sometimes those bugs are already assigned to people so we do a quick local fix and work on something else while we wait for the proper fix. I should review the ones we're waiting for and tidy/submit our patches in cases where no-one else did. |
| 13:19 |
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slef |
now I'm off to lunch :) |
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slef |
Before I go, I just checked: we only have 156 Koha bugs open at the moment and a lot of those are local or extension things. |
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owen |
It can be hard--especially for the customer--to know whether it's a local problem or a Koha problem. |
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owen |
It can be hard even for someone like me who has more experience than most customers. |
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slef |
Because we rarely control all the customer's IT systems, it can be hard for us to tell that too. In at least one notorious case, everyone pointed the fingers at everyone else. |
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owen |
Sounds like my plumber and my heating contractor. |
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slef |
oh yeah... I've been shocked at one site that coordinating with other IT suppliers multiplies my time estimate by about 4. |
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slef |
2 to 2.5 is normal, but 4??? |
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slef |
anyway, I'm starving here. biab |
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kf |
jwagner: I love your screenshots :) |
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chris_n |
hi owen |
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owen |
Hi chris_n. Sorry I missed you yesterday afternoon |
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chris_n |
np |
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chris_n |
what did you find? |
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owen |
I had a question about the labels interface |
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owen |
Let me try to find where I was... |
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throws gmcharlt some virtual chocolate |
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jwagner |
kf, sorry, been off in a meeting. Which screenshot? I've loaded several to bugzilla this morning :-) |
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owen |
Mmmm... virtual chocolate. Almost as bad as Hershey's chocolate ;) |
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chris_n |
virtual chocolate == very low calories |
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owen |
Okay, chris_n, if you're adding items to a new batch, my thought was that we should hide the buttons to delete items, check dupes, etc. |
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chris_n |
owen: excellent idea |
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chris_n |
some JS magic perhaps? |
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owen |
I thought a check for the TMPL_LOOP of existing items would work |
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owen |
<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="table_loop" --> |
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chris_n |
great |
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owen |
Okay, I'll make it so. |
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chris_n |
it might also be nice to indicate the number of the new batch somehow |
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chris_n |
"There are no items in batch <batch_number> yet" |
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owen |
Okay |
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* chris_n |
greets brendan |
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chris_n |
I'm off for a bit owen; bbl |
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brendan |
morning |
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nicomo |
hi brendan |
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kf |
jwagner: not one specific, its just great to see new features. :) looked at hold option some minutes ago |
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brendan |
hi nicomo |
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nengard |
morning nicomo and brendan |
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brendan |
heya engard |
| 14:13 |
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brendan |
heya nengard |
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nengard |
:) |
| 14:16 |
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nengard |
spend today and yesterday booking all my travel - shocked that my credit card company hasn't called to ask me if my card was stolen |
| 14:16 |
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kf |
:) |
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jwagner |
kf, we still have some more in the pipeline -- I'll get them added as soon as they're nailed down. Been a busy year... |
| 14:21 |
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kf |
yes, very busy |
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kf |
our librarian asked to display place of publication together with publication year and publisher |
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kf |
would it be ok to add this or is there a reason why it is not shown? |
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kf |
ok, talking about opac detail xslt :) |
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jwagner |
I think it would be fine to show it on the details page. The more info the better. |
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kf |
jwagner: ok, I think we will add it and sent a patch after wolfgang's vacation |
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kmkale |
@weather mumbai |
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munin` |
kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (7:40 PM IST on September 24, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
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owen |
I'm still not sure what I should do about this error I get when trying to search for items to add to a label batch |
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owen |
Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/labels/label-item-search.pl line 129. |
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owen |
Is there something else I can do to try to track down the cause? |
| 14:51 |
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owen |
...besides scratch my head, that is. |
| 14:52 |
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owen |
Because I've done that and it didn't work. |
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chris_n |
heh |
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* chris_n |
tries to focus |
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chris_n |
owen: do you have a version w/o the labels rewrite you can try the search on over the same database? |
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* owen |
tries it in master |
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chris_n |
owen: any chance you can grab this version of the script: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]b32ff8b9aa84bd8ac |
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chris_n |
and try it? |
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chris_n |
that would determine if the changes I made broke things for you |
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owen |
I'm confused now... Has labels_recon been integrated into HEAD now? |
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nengard |
chris_n and owen whenever it is integrated - i need help with documentation - i never understood labels ;) |
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chris_n |
owen: yes |
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* owen |
is out of touch |
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owen |
chris_n: the version you sent me works in as much as it doesn't return an error. But it also doesn't return search results |
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slef |
nengard: are you using tripit on linkedin? |
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nengard |
slef i was - i think - but I pref dopplr so I haven't updated tripit |
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nengard |
why? |
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chris_n |
owen: on phone |
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slef |
just being stalky, wondered where you were going :) Bergen? |
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slef |
I don't like tripit or dopplr but I don't know the FOSS options |
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nengard |
slef In Oct - I'm going to Nevada and then California in November I'm going to Bergen, Oslo, Venice and Rome |
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slef |
so I use tripit because it's in my face |
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nengard |
I put all my stuff on my calendar which is on my site: http://www.web2learning.net/ab[…]learning-calendar |
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slef |
we need some common standard for calendaring |
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nengard |
we? the world? or we the koha world? |
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slef |
the world |
| 15:18 |
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slef |
like http://host/homepage/calendar gets you their calendar |
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nengard |
doubt that's gonna happen :) hehe |
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nengard |
oh! like that |
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chris_n |
isn't the koha world *the* world? |
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slef |
but smarter people than me have been trying to do things like that for ages |
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* chris_n |
is now seriously disillusioned |
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nengard |
poor chris_n |
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jwagner |
Can anyone help me understand what RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight and StaticHoldsQueueWeight sysprefs do, especially in a multi-library environment? What this site wants is to make sure "next available" hold is truly the next available, regardless of the patron or item branch -- anywhere in the system. |
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chris_n |
owen: I'm puzzled too |
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nengard |
jwagner - you mean my documentation didn't help you??? hehe - probably cause I had no idea what I was saying .... |
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slef |
chris_n: welcome to my world. Moohahah. |
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chris_n |
of course file I pointed you to would not work :-P |
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slef |
disillusioned+puzzled |
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* chris_n |
really tries to get up to spped |
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chris_n |
speed even |
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chris_n |
owen: chris tested the labels stuff... maybe we should check with him to see if he has any thoughts |
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* chris_n |
thinks gmcharlt did some testing also |
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chris_n |
and my catalogers have used it for better than a month now |
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chris_n |
s/used/vetted/ |
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chris_n |
to use the latest terminology :-| |
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jwagner |
nengard, I did check the manual site. It just didn't tell me anything other than the definitions in the sysprefs :-( |
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nengard |
chris_n do your catalogers have any kind of documentation they have written for each other? something I cna use to base my manual docs on? |
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nengard |
jwagner - I know - I was being sarcastic - I didn't understand them at all so I couldn't explain them any better |
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chris_n |
nengard: nothing written |
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nengard |
chris_n -- think they might want to write something? |
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chris_n |
nengard: I'll try to scare something up |
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nengard |
thanks!!! |
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* chris_n |
likes to keep his catalogers very well fed and happy |
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owen |
nengard: I'm working on some interface tweaks for the new labels, so hold off on your screenshots |
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nengard |
owen - no worries - I'm waiting for help with text before I can do screenshots |
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chris_n |
owen: I wonder if you can enable debug and see any additional info in your logs? |
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* chris_n |
does not remember how to do that from the cgi var side |
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chris_n |
something like ?debug=1 maybe |
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owen |
You mean DebugLevel in system prefs? That's set to 2, hence the output of the error I guess |
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chris_n |
owen: you might also try adding 'next if !$item; after line 126 in label-item-search.pl (the label rewrite version) |
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chris_n |
if my very long guess is correct, there may be a bib w/no items or at least a bug in GetItemInfosOf causing an undef item |
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* chris_n |
finds remote debugging via irc difficult ;-) |
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slef |
nengard: the other way to find what something does is to search the source code for that syspref being used and generally boggle at the source until it makes sense. |
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chris_n |
boggle++ |
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chris_n |
it often does the trick |
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chris_n |
owen: I have to go work under another hat for a while; I'll look at this again later this afternoon EDT |
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owen |
Thanks for your help as always |
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nengard |
slef sorry was on the phone - and I'm still learning Perl - so boggling might take a year :) |
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nengard |
hehe |
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slef |
@karma boggle |
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munin` |
slef: Karma for "boggle" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
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owen |
@karma scrabble |
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munin` |
owen: scrabble has neutral karma. |
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kmkale |
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jwagner |
Re: <slef> nengard: the other way to find what something does is to search the source code for that syspref being used and generally boggle at the source until it makes sense. -- I've grepped for both those sysprefs in C4 and under kohaclone/circ and kohaclone/reserve and I'm not finding them anywhere. Where else might they be used? |
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owen |
jwagner: My search turns up references to RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight in misc/cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl |
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jwagner |
owen, thanks -- didn't think to look there. |
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kf |
owen: can you recommend a good introduction to jquery? I think I need to hide some things from display in various places. |
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owen |
You could try this: http://docs.jquery.com/Tutoria[…]arted_with_jQuery |
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kf |
owen: thx! :) |
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jwagner |
Back on the two holds queue sysprefs. The build_holds_queue.pl script references them as "Query system preferences to get ordered list of branches to use to fill hold requests." What I _think_ the code is doing is this: |
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jwagner |
If there is a list of branchcodes in StaticHoldsQueueWeight, it uses those as the branches to pull from. |
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jwagner |
If there isn't a list, it pulls from all branches. |
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jwagner |
If RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight is on, it shuffles the list of branches randomly. |
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jwagner |
So neither of these sysprefs seems directly applicable to my site's request: What this site wants is to make sure "next available" hold is truly the next available, regardless of the patron or item branch -- anywhere in the system. |
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jwagner |
Am I reading that right? |
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CGI940 |
hey i need help with koha |
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CGI940 |
I am currently running Koha 3.0.1. I would like to edit or configure the catalog search bar section on top of the catalogs when a search is made. It is the area that is above all the books that are listed when a search is made. By edit, I mean changing the interface and the way it appears to the general public. I was told that I need to use a css style script to do this or some css style template of some sort. I am really unsure a |
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owen |
CGI940: What are you trying to do? |
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CGI940 |
I would like to change the way the entire page looks |
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CGI940 |
when a user makes a search for a book |
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CGI940 |
sorry if im being too vague, im really new to koha |
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kf |
jwagner: perhaps talk to wizzyrea about this, I think there was a discussion about this on irc some time ago |
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CGI940 |
ok thank you |
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owen |
CGI940: In order for us to be able to help you, we'll have to hear specifics |
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owen |
If you'd like an introduction to the kinds of changes you can make you can check out my Koha Blog: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ |
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CGI940 |
ok |
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CGI940 |
hey i have another question |
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CGI940 |
do you know where I can access the koha template systems |
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owen |
Look for intranet-tmpl/prog/en and opac-tmpl/prog/en |
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kf |
time to leave - bye everybody |
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owen |
But I don't recommend making changes to your templates. You'll run into problems when you try to upgrade |
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CGI940 |
what kind of prolems? |
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owen |
If you make a change to your template, then upgrade Koha, the changes you made to your template will be overwritten. You'll have to keep track of each change and copy them over after your upgrade |
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owen |
That can get very tedious if you're talking about too many changes |
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CGI940 |
oh |
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CGI940 |
i see i ee |
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slef |
we need a some sort of template-by-version browsing website |
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slef |
do we have one? |
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nengard |
better yet, we need a templating system like wordpress in koha :) |
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owen |
Will template toolkit help that somehow? |
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* owen |
doesn't know anything about it |
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CGI940 |
you said look for intranet-tmpl/prog/en and opac-tmpl/prog/en, where can I find that? |
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owen |
CGI940: Do you know where Koha is installed? |
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CGI940 |
I'm not sure. |
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CGI940 |
I have acess to koha staff through the koha website |
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owen |
CGI940: Sounds like you need to get with the person who installed Koha for you. |
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CGI940 |
ok |
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CGI940 |
Actually is it necessary to have access to koha installation in order to acess the templates? I just found out that we do not have access to where it was installed but can only access it through the web. |
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rhcl_away |
@seen wizzyrea |
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munin` |
rhcl_away: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> PH LOL |
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rhcl_away |
Hey Liz...our library is looking for a library running Koha to visit. |
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mu3lla79 |
هلاااااااااااا |
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mu3lla79 |
عربييييييييييي |
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jdavidb |
howdy, cait_laptop. :) |
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cait_laptop |
howdy jdavidb |
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cait_laptop |
:) |
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jdavidb |
:) How are things in your corner of the world? |
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cait_laptop |
ok, I think |
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cait_laptop |
and in yours? :) |
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jdavidb |
Pretty good. Ready for the mid-afternoon nap, but don't get one. |
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cait_laptop |
dinner time here :) |
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jdavidb |
you're...UTC+2? +3? |
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chris_n |
back |
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cait_laptop |
not sure... have to google that |
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cait_laptop |
;) |
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cait_laptop |
UTC+2 or UTC+1 depending on summer or winter time :) |
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jdavidb |
Ah. We're UTC-4 or -5, again, depending. |
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cait_laptop |
its 8:15 now :) |
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Ropuch |
Same here [; |
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chris |
morning |
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cait_laptop |
good morning chris |
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jdavidb |
Hi, chris! :D |
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jdavidb |
@quote random |
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munin` |
jdavidb: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009) |
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chris |
heh |
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scratches his head in confusion. |
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jdavidb |
Here's a puzzler...installed lenny on a brand-new-shiny box. Installed all of Koha's dependencies, and rebooted. System failed to come up. Started over, did it again...and this time, it rebooted slick as a pickpocket. |
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* jdavidb |
calls out the pixie exterminators. |
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chris |
id be running memtest on thtat |
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chris_n |
chris: did you run into any problems with the labels item search when testing the labels re-write? |
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chris |
not that i remember chris_n |
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chris_n |
owen seems to have a problem which I cannot duplicate |
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chris |
jdavidb: in fact i run memtest for at least 24 hours on any new machine |
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chris_n |
I suspect corrupt data |
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chris |
chris_n: sounds highly plausible |
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jdavidb |
good idea, chris; I think I'll do that for a while..overnight, at least. |
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chris_n |
jdavidb: run this: http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/ in "torture" mode on any new machine for 24hours |
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chris_n |
that will scare the bugs out where you can see them ;-) |
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jdavidb |
hee...yeah, it would. |
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ccurry |
Hello, all. Anyone know if it's possible to hide Shelving Location from the OPAC (952$c); it would also (of course) need to be hidden from the public MARC display. We're planning to use Koha for a closed stacks library and we don't want to publish location information for security reasons. |
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ccurry |
?* |
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chris |
the public marc display you can hide easily by changing the framework |
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chris |
to hide it in the non-marc probably needs a template edit |
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owen |
ccurry: Shelving location isn't explicitly labelled in the normal display, I don't think |
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mason |
have people read this one yet? |
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mason |
http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz[…]-a-form-of-theft/ |
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chris |
yeah, the guys a moron |
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mason |
http://creativefreedom.org.nz/story.html?id=414 |
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owen |
We don't populate shelving location at my library |
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ccurry |
ok. thanks. I'll have a look at the templates. I was hoping this had come up before and there was a syspref. |
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owen |
Geez, I was hoping that article wasn't as simplistic as the URL suggested |
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chris |
it is, he's just mad no one buys his shitty books |
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chris |
"dude its not cos they get it from the library, its cos you suck" |
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laughs. |
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owen |
ccurry: Are you talking about the column in the holdings table labelled "Location" ? |
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owen |
http://acpl.kohalibrary.com/cg[…]ail.pl?bib=214415 |
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mason |
author FAIL |
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ccurry |
owen:nope: the column in the holdings table labelled "Shelving Location" (952$c) |
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owen |
I don't see that on our system |
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cait_laptop |
$c is LOC |
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ccurry |
owen: It only shows up in the holdings table display if there's data there. |
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owen |
ccurry: I see, you want to use the field for internal purposes but not the public. Gotcha. |
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ccurry |
owen: you got it. I assume there isn't a better field for this data. |
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jwagner |
ccurry, I'd be interested in a syspref to turn off display of shelving location in the OPAC myself. Also one to turn off display of the library name if it's a single library site.... |
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ccurry |
jwagner: agreed. If I knew how to build one, I'd do so. I'm just starting to get my feet wet. |
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cait_laptop |
jwagner: there is one for the last |
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owen |
jwagner: Would a check for single branch mode be appropriate for the single library issue? |
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cait_laptop |
singlebranchmode |
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owen |
...and I wonder if there are other issues for closed-stacks libraries that could be affected by a "ClosedStacks" preference. Hit them all at once. |
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cait_laptop |
library is not shown in opac when singlebranchmode is on, but location still shows |
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ccurry |
cait_laptop: thanks for that |
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cait_laptop |
ccurry: you are welcome |
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jwagner |
owen, yes, a check for singlebranchmode would work there. |
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cait_laptop |
owen: I think we would need a better request management for closed stacks |
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owen |
Hmf. Ask LibLime about that :( |
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cait_laptop |
yes... :( |
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cait_laptop |
for example allowonshelfholds can only be set globally not for libraries |
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cait_laptop |
i have this problem with our koha library - they have closed stacks and free access areas |
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cait_laptop |
and bigger academic libraries with closed stacks want the requests printed on different pinters according to call number |
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cait_laptop |
ok... sorry :) |
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owen |
Hi pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
hey owen |
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owen |
But actually, goodbye. Quitting time. :) |
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pianohacker |
heh |
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pianohacker |
see ya |
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pianohacker |
hello, anybody else :) |
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cait_laptop |
hi pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
hi cait |
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pianohacker |
what are you up to? |
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ccurry |
So, I found the template and the code to remove the shelving location information from the holdings table (opac-detail.tmpl line 319 on my instance 3.0.2). Removing "<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="location_description" -->" worked like a charm. Anybody know how I can make this display only when a user with a particular patron type [Staff] is logged in? Feel free to just direct me to the appropriate... |
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ccurry |
...docs. Didn't find, but I could have missed it. |
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cait_laptop |
fighting with perl and koha code... I dont know enough perl :( |
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pianohacker |
Its an ugly language |
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pianohacker |
ccurry: hmm. why would you want staff users to log in to the opac? |
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ccurry |
pianohacker: good point...didn't think that one through. |
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chris |
this coffee is yuck |
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pianohacker |
well, it's coffee; its starting out at a disadvantage |
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chris |
pshaw |
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chris_n |
yuck-coffee-- |
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pianohacker |
coffee-- |
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chris_n |
awww.... coffee++ |
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pianohacker |
@karma coffee |
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munin` |
pianohacker: Karma for "coffee" has been increased 4 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 3. |
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cait_laptop |
:) |
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pianohacker |
O_o |
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chris_n |
Costa Rico Peaberry++ |
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chris_n |
Rica even |
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pianohacker |
@karma Peaberry |
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munin` |
pianohacker: Karma for "Peaberry" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
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pianohacker |
:) |
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chris_n |
Jamaican-Blue-Mountain++ |
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chris_n |
heh |
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chris |
anything_but_instant++ |
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chris_n |
chris you need a French press to make coffee right ;-) |
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chris_n |
http://www.sweetmarias.com |
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wizzyrea |
rhcl: you are always welcome @ nekls |
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rhcl_away |
Hey, She Speaks! |
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rhcl_away is now known as rhcl |
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chris |
chris_n: i have 2, ,.. at work we have espresso machines |
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chris |
but i was just rushing ;) |
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pianohacker |
hi, wizzyrea, rhcl |
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rhcl |
Hi hi |
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chris |
chris_n: you can ask nahuel about our adventures to find good coffee in texas :) |
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nengard |
this is not a discussion for the one who doesn't like coffee .... |
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chris_n |
hi wizzyrea && rhcl |
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pianohacker |
nengard++ |
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chris_n |
chris: lol |
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rhcl |
wizzy: do any of your libraries have a bookmobile? |
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nengard |
in fact i think i'm going to make me some tea!! |
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chris_n |
do they serve it to you in the pot down there? |
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wizzyrea |
rhcl: nopers |
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* chris_n |
tries to imagine a Texas coffee cup |
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chris |
chris_n: hotel coffee came in those thermos thingys |
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chris_n |
nengard: tea++ |
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rhcl |
http://www.texasterritories.co[…]dontmesstxmug.jpg |
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chris_n |
hotel-coffee-- |
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cait_laptop |
tea++ |
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chris_n |
rhcl: is that a 10 gallon cup? |
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pianohacker |
* image not to scale |
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rhcl |
Donno |
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chris_n |
lemon grass tea from Singapore is very good |
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chris_n |
pianohacker: lol |
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rhcl |
Does Koha have a location code for "bookmobile"? |
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chris_n |
chris: last year I picked up a $300 Kitchen Aid burr mill for $7.00 at a thrift store.... nearly new |
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richard |
hi |
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pianohacker |
hello richard |
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chris_n |
t'was missing the glass carafe which I ordered for $14 |
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* chris_n |
greets richard |
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rhcl |
Also, I had this really great idea with Swine Flu everywhere and all, that book publishers should make books out of plastic, so that they could be run through a dishwasher (of course, it would be called a bookwasher) when they circulate back in. |
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richard |
hiyas |
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rhcl |
Is there a Koha location code for Bookwasher - In Transit |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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pianohacker |
they need that for the children's board books anyway |
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chris |
chris_n: good deal |
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pianohacker |
those things get nasty |
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wajasu |
is anyone here familiar with cataloguing (i.e. additem.pl) and how the database stores imported marc records? |
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wajasu |
it seems like during the staged import, it is converted to an XML format. |
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chris |
the marc is stored in biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml |
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chris |
some is stored in the items table too |
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* chris_n |
heads out, bbiab |
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wajasu |
i am assuming that when staged marc data is imported, the additem.pl code is used and the preference itemcallnumber is parsed to discern which field to grab the call number from. |
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pianohacker |
hmm. not sure if that code is activated on import |
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wajasu |
So it during import the item call number might not be populated, but maybe only shown from the marc record data? I'll have to really trace this then, uh. |
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pianohacker |
yes |
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chris |
it will be populated if its in the 952 field |
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chris |
what i would do is use marc edit |
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chris |
to put the 'right' callnumber in the 952$p (i think its p would need to check) |
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chris |
then when you import itemcallnumber will get that |
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wajasu |
my user has much of his library in marc edit format, and he imports. |
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wajasu |
he put the 090b as well as the 050 codes in the catalgoing preferences as the field comments maybe misled him to think he could put multiple entries. |
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chris |
yep, so just put the right data in 952 |
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chris |
thats what goes in itemcallnumber |
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chris |
those too are biblio level callnumbers |
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chris |
too=two |
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chris |
@marc 952 |
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munin` |
chris: unknown tag 952 |
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chris |
o it is |
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chris |
http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ugust/015051.html |
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wajasu |
he wants to make it so he can list '090b 050 ...' in the itemcallnumber preference field so when he imports, it copies the 090 one if its there, then the 050 one if 090 was empty, etc. |
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chris |
yeah, you are gonna have to do some custom work if you want to make that happen |
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chris |
and even then, it wont go into itemcallnumber |
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chris |
as that is linked to 952$O |
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chris |
952$o even |
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chris |
so you are better off making marcedit copy the right value to 952$o |
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wajasu |
ok i'll look into trying to does this processing outside of koha before import/staging. |
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wajasu |
s/does/do/ |
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wizzyrea |
Ohh, talk of the aporkalypse!@ |
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wizzyrea |
(swine flu) |
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pianohacker |
ehhhh |
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cait_laptop |
good night everybody :) |
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chris |
nengard: you about? |
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rhcl |
Liz, we really would like to visit one of the KS libraries to check out Koha. What do we need to do? |
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wajasu |
so i should be able to write a macro with marcedit to do the logic of looking at the 090 then 050 and copying that into 952's structure. |
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wizzyrea |
ummmm.... Oct 23 we are having a Kegger, and atchison is rignt near you rigbht? |
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wizzyrea |
erg typing |
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wizzyrea |
atchison is a koha library |
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chris |
wajasu: i *think* so |
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wizzyrea |
alert, rhcl :) |
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rhcl |
OK, should we contact them directly? |
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rhcl |
alert???? Should we ask for Lawrence or Topeka instead???? :) |
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wizzyrea |
Sure, they love visitors |
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wizzyrea |
the director is Diana Weaver, dweaveratchisonlibrary.org |
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wizzyrea |
nah, neither of them are koha |
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rhcl |
What is Marysville running, do you happen to know? |
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wizzyrea |
mmm I don't know |
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chris |
ohh is that where diana is now |
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wizzyrea |
yessir :) |
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wizzyrea |
she graduated from NEKLS and is now a director :) |
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chris |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
a very good one, at that |
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rhcl |
wizzyrea: Passed data for visit to my director--thanks for the info. |
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chris |
anyone going to access this year? |
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wizzyrea |
sure thing :) |
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wajasu |
chris: thx, i'm going to look into use a XSLT stylesheet that marcedit seems to support and let the cataloger use that. |
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nengard |
chris i'm about now - sorry was eating dinner |
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chris |
ok, time to head into work |
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jhaig |
I am getting 9 failures when running "make test" on koha. The first sign of a failure is "t/Circulation_barcodedecode....DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /root/koha-3.00.02/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 485." The database 'koha' is empty. Should it be populated by the time I get to 'make test'? |
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jhaig |
I haven't seen anything in INSTALL.debian-lenny that talks about populating the database. |
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mdhafen |
Hello everyone |
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* mdhafen |
is looking for help |
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jhaig |
I recommend you just ask a question and wait. It is a bit quiet at the moment, and I'm afraid I will probably not be of much help myself. |
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mdhafen |
will do. Thanks |
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mdhafen |
So, I have in a day 6 sessions timeout that shouldn't have. I added warn statements so I see when the session time is updated and when a session is timeout'd. The time ranges from a few seconds to 1 hour 43 minutes. The timeout is supposed to be 2 hours. Would mod_perl2 cause that? |
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mdhafen |
And this is after I added a $session->flush() |
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pianohacker |
mdhafen: koha is not compatible with mod_perl2 |
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mdhafen |
So I've heard |
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pianohacker |
the only officially supported method of invocation is through cgi |
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mdhafen |
The apache module for mod_perl loads, but I don't think it's configured anywhere. Is it still active in that state? |
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pianohacker |
ahh, okay. I wouldn't think that would cause your problem |
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mdhafen |
That's what I'm hoping. |
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pianohacker |
sorry, was reciting the litany :) |
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mdhafen |
Still don't know why the session's aren't getting updated properly though. |
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pianohacker |
what session storage method are you using? |
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mdhafen |
mysql |
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pianohacker |
mdhafen: that is the normal one, but you might try temp to see if that's the cause of your problem |
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mdhafen |
that's a good idea. |
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mdhafen |
Thanks. I'll check back tomorrow if that doesn't fix it. |
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pianohacker |
jhaig: not too familiar with the database-dependent tests, so won't be able to help you, but note that they're by no means required for installation |
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pianohacker |
mdhafen: k, good luck |
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chris |
jhaig: yeah, the web based installer does that ... did you choose to run the database_dependant tests? |
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jhaig |
pianohacker: Thanks. I eventually found a post in a mailing list saying that some of the tests were new, and that one appears to try to test the database before it has been set up. |
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jhaig |
chris: I chose the default, which was no |
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chris |
i think you can safely ignore that fail, and proceed on and run the web based installer (That will create your db) |
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jhaig |
That's the stage I'm at now, and I've got "The requested URL / was not found on this server." from the web server :-( |
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pianohacker |
hmm. sounds like an apache config problem |
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jhaig |
Yes. It had set up the virtual hosts with localhost ip addresses, which didn't help when I've trying to view it from a remote machine. |
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pianohacker |
right |
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pianohacker |
time to knock off for evening, bye all |
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chris |
hmmmm |
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chris |
http://www.galecia.com/imls-aw[…]-for-open-source/ |
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chris |
im kinda ambivalent about that |
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chris |
ohh now im not |
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chris |
http://twitter.com/LBA/status/4353773733 |
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richard |
wholly molly |
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pie |
sweet :) |
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chris |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ermans-Late-Show/ |
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does anticipatory cringeing |
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chris |
yeah, its fairly cringeworthy |
