| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:26 |
|
jdavidb |
Morning, schuster. :) |
| 12:26 |
|
schuster |
HAYLO! |
| 12:26 |
|
paul_p |
hi jdavidb & shuster |
| 12:26 |
|
jdavidb |
Howdy, Paul! |
| 12:27 |
|
Amit |
hi jdavidb |
| 12:27 |
|
jdavidb |
Howdy, Amit. :) |
| 12:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi schuster |
| 12:35 |
|
kf |
http://www.kics.edu.pk/koha/ - koha dhoom? |
| 12:37 |
|
Amit |
kf: Koha-Dhoom |
| 12:37 |
|
schuster |
interesting... |
| 12:39 |
|
indradg__ |
kf, "Dhoom" in Urdu (the state language of Pakistan) means a loud bang or a startling happening that grabs everyone's attention |
| 12:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
Koha-Dhoom++ |
| 12:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
indradg__: how is the 'dh' pronounced? |
| 12:42 |
|
indradg__ |
gmcharlt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpofrb7FV-E follow the song's lyric.... its used in the same context too =P |
| 12:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
indradg__: thanks |
| 12:44 |
|
indradg__ |
gmcharlt, anytime : |
| 12:44 |
|
indradg__ |
:) |
| 13:15 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, ? |
| 13:15 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, around ? |
| 13:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: what's up/ |
| 13:16 |
|
nahuel |
héhé need an info |
| 13:16 |
|
nahuel |
what does it needed to allow to limit by "available" items ? |
| 13:16 |
|
nahuel |
"onloan" index no ? |
| 13:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
that would be one part |
| 13:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
also items that are not in transit, although that's not currently indexed |
| 13:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
also items that not not lost or withdrawn |
| 13:18 |
|
nahuel |
ok, but atm I have a zebra error... |
| 13:20 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, this one : |
| 13:20 |
|
nahuel |
16:15:13-04/08 zebrasrv(5474) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @and jean @and @not @attr "1=_ALLRECORDS" @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8024 @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8002 @attr 4=109 @attr 2=3 0 |
| 13:20 |
|
nahuel |
and if I execute the query by hand, I have this error : |
| 13:21 |
|
nahuel |
arf 2s |
| 13:26 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '8024' |
| 13:28 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: ok, to debug, start by checking bib1.att to see the name assigned to Z39.50 use attribute 8024 |
| 13:29 |
|
nahuel |
att 8024 onloan |
| 13:29 |
|
nahuel |
and onloan is defined in the record.abs |
| 13:29 |
|
nahuel |
melm 995$n onloan:d,onloan:n,onloan:s |
| 13:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
is items.onloan mapped to a tag/subfield per the MARC frameowrks? |
| 13:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
and specifically 995$n ? |
| 13:30 |
|
nahuel |
should I add onloan:w ? |
| 13:30 |
|
nahuel |
yes it is |
| 13:30 |
|
kf |
are the codes in RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight / StaticHoldsQueueWeight branch codes or LOC codes? |
| 13:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
check the biblioitems.marcxml of one of the records that has an item on loan, and check |
| 13:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: branch codes |
| 13:30 |
|
nahuel |
in marc21 framework onloan index have ":w" index |
| 13:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: ok, then doesn't hurt to try adding ":w' |
| 13:30 |
|
nahuel |
:p |
| 13:30 |
|
kf |
thx galen, thoght that but the text is not clear |
| 13:31 |
|
kf |
gmcharlt: perhaps explanation should be changed, it tells: "based on all location codes, or by the location codes specified in..." |
| 13:31 |
|
nahuel |
let's go :) |
| 13:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: sure, file a bug |
| 13:34 |
|
kf |
arg - I know you would say that ;) |
| 13:45 |
|
kf |
@bug 3437 |
| 13:45 |
|
munin |
kf: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3437 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulain biblibre.com, NEW, ReturnBeforeExpiry system preference needs changes to explanation |
| 13:45 |
|
kf |
oh, wrong |
| 13:46 |
|
kf |
@bug 3501 |
| 13:46 |
|
munin |
kf: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3501 trivial, P5, ---, paul.poulainbiblibre.com, NEW, Change explanation of RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight/StaticHoldsQueueWeight from location code to branch code |
| 14:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
<- is a LL customer and doesn't agree with code embargo. FWIW |
| 14:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
just sayin. |
| 14:30 |
|
jdavidb |
g'morning, wizzyrea! |
| 14:32 |
|
nicomo |
hi wizzyrea |
| 14:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
mornin. |
| 14:32 |
|
nicomo |
we gathered as much from the meeting notes :-) |
| 14:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
oh, I wasn't at the meeting. I got wind of it the same way you guys did |
| 14:33 |
|
nicomo |
ah ok, I was mistaken then |
| 14:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
it's ok :) |
| 14:34 |
|
wizzyrea |
made me feel a bit sick, tbh. |
| 14:35 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, it was this index :) |
| 14:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: cool |
| 14:38 |
|
nahuel |
:) |
| 14:41 |
|
sekjal |
well, for better or worse, at least the community has something concrete to deal with, rather than rumours and worries |
| 14:51 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, about the bug 3497 |
| 14:51 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3497 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Don't show copyright but publicationyear |
| 14:51 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, what should be the column title ? |
| 14:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
just Year |
| 14:51 |
|
nahuel |
I have no idea, to be more "generic" |
| 14:52 |
|
nahuel |
ok |
| 14:52 |
|
nahuel |
:) |
| 14:52 |
|
nahuel |
thanks :) |
| 14:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
yw |
| 15:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
actually remarkably quiet today |
| 15:41 |
|
rhcl |
I'm hungry. |
| 15:42 |
|
rhcl |
rhcl goes to eat tomatoes. |
| 15:44 |
|
pianohacker |
Hmm |
| 15:44 |
|
pianohacker |
@lart rhcl for eating tomatoes too early |
| 15:44 |
|
munin |
pianohacker: Error: There are no larts in my database for #koha. |
| 15:50 |
|
atz |
rhcl: come by my place.... i've got 2 gallons of cherry tomatoes in the fridge... |
| 15:52 |
|
atz |
i had this moment a couple years ago where i read the packaging on the seeds and the splash lead description was "Super Prolific!" |
| 15:52 |
|
pianohacker |
Truth in advertising, huh? |
| 15:53 |
|
atz |
and I thought "wow, that's the kind of thing that would seem like a warning. i'm sure they're exaggerating." |
| 15:53 |
|
paul_p |
wizzyrea, pianohacker & atz: good morning to you ! |
| 15:53 |
|
pianohacker |
paul_p: Good evening |
| 15:53 |
|
atz |
but yeah, the clincher is that *i didn't plant ANY of them this year* |
| 15:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
atz: lol!! |
| 15:54 |
|
atz |
they're all leftovers from last year |
| 15:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
garden_tomatoes++ |
| 15:54 |
|
atz |
very jack/beanstalk kind of stuff |
| 15:54 |
|
atz |
hi, paul_p |
| 15:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
mornin' paul_p |
| 16:01 |
|
Sharon |
I can't get my pole beans to grow beans! Not enough sun or something |
| 16:10 |
|
atz |
wizzyrea: you can see my crazy corn and ginourmous sunflowers on facebook |
| 16:12 |
|
rhcl |
tomatoes: (1) I had a fasting lab appointment this morning--I'm powerful hungry. (2) Here at work people bring extra stuff from their gardens for free redistribution (but some people do hold back some of their stuff) (3) Yesterday there were a bunch of tomatoes in the break room (4) Today they are all gone. (5) I'm still hungry. |
| 16:16 |
|
hdl |
hello |
| 16:16 |
|
hdl |
gmcharlt: around ? |
| 16:16 |
|
paul_p |
hi hdl ! |
| 16:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi hdl |
| 16:16 |
|
paul_p |
what are you doing on the internet ? |
| 16:18 |
|
hdl |
just a quick note to tell that i won't be able to make it tomorrow. |
| 16:18 |
|
hdl |
I donot bring my laptop along. |
| 16:18 |
|
hdl |
and cyberspace is not open at 12. |
| 16:18 |
|
hdl |
I hope you are well. |
| 16:20 |
|
hdl |
gmcharlt: any hint on reconciliation branch ? |
| 16:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl: poking at it this week; check IRC log for fuller status after tomorrows meeting |
| 16:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
i.e., hoping to get a lot done with it this evening |
| 16:29 |
|
hdl |
ok thx. |
| 16:35 |
|
hdl |
@all ok. time to go back to holidays. |
| 16:35 |
|
munin |
hdl: I suck |
| 16:35 |
|
paul_p |
hdl: bye & amuse toi bien ! |
| 16:35 |
|
paul_p |
(repose toi bien surtout ;-) ) |
| 16:36 |
|
hdl |
will try |
| 17:06 |
|
wizzyrea |
atz I saw them! My god, what have you been feeding your plants!! |
| 17:06 |
|
atz |
water. |
| 17:07 |
|
atz |
i just turned over that little patch of yard this year, so nothing's really grown there before |
| 17:07 |
|
atz |
i think they like it, though. |
| 17:08 |
|
wizzyrea |
hehehe |
| 17:08 |
|
wizzyrea |
our container tomatoes are doing really well, despite the lack of hot weather |
| 17:08 |
|
atz |
my big'uns are all still green |
| 17:09 |
|
atz |
but i think they'll come around |
| 17:10 |
|
atz |
ok, time to go vote |
| 17:11 |
|
atz |
(polling day) |
| 17:44 |
|
schuster |
Owen in? |
| 17:45 |
|
schuster |
munnin owen |
| 17:50 |
|
pianohacker |
@seen owen |
| 17:50 |
|
munin |
pianohacker: owen was last seen in #koha 3 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: * owen has been released. |
| 17:50 |
|
pianohacker |
schuster: Anything we can help you with? |
| 18:04 |
|
pianohacker |
bbl |
| 18:08 |
|
schuster |
No I was going to point out a broken link at Athens... |
| 18:17 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 18:19 |
|
jdavidb |
Hi, chris! |
| 18:20 |
|
chris |
hey there jdavidb, hows the day going? |
| 18:20 |
|
jdavidb |
Pretty quiet, really. Getting ready to migrate a customer from 3.0.x tarball, with some local tinkering, to a HEAD-based git install...so some back-and-forthing there. |
| 18:21 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 18:29 |
|
brendan |
morning #koha (a little late on my part) |
| 18:32 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 18:32 |
|
atz |
hah... i just installed firefox 3.5 yesterday, and they want me to upgrade to 3.5.2 today |
| 18:32 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 18:37 |
|
sekjal |
is there an established practice on how to capture the current 'circulation state' when doing a migration to Koha? |
| 18:38 |
|
atz |
: / |
| 18:38 |
|
chris |
sekjal: nope, it pretty much depends entirely what you are migrating from |
| 18:39 |
|
sekjal |
chris: makes sense. I'm thinking a bulk checkout tool would be handy |
| 18:39 |
|
chris |
basically you need to end up with a bunch of rows in the issues table |
| 18:39 |
|
sekjal |
have it take in a list of item and patron barcodes, as well as optional dates, then just run through |
| 18:39 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 18:39 |
|
atz |
sekjal: same as offline circ |
| 18:39 |
|
atz |
except for the dates, perhaps |
| 18:40 |
|
sekjal |
atz: yeah, I looked at that. its designed to use existing loan rules to determine when an item is due |
| 18:40 |
|
chris |
probably need 2 dates |
| 18:40 |
|
chris |
issuedate and datedue |
| 18:40 |
|
chris |
(tho you can get away with just date due) |
| 18:40 |
|
sekjal |
if I could capture the number of renewals, that'd be gravy |
| 18:41 |
|
chris |
usually getting the data out is the hard bit |
| 18:41 |
|
sekjal |
My current ILS lets me export lists in CSV with most any bit of data I want. |
| 18:42 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 18:42 |
|
sekjal |
so I'd just need to tell it patron barcode, item barcode, outdate, indate and maybe something else |
| 18:42 |
|
sekjal |
then be sure to check that I only get one value in each of those four columns |
| 18:42 |
|
sekjal |
(patrons and items can have multiple barcodes currently) |
| 18:44 |
|
brendan |
yup -- or get ready to very bored and have some one do it by hand :) |
| 18:44 |
|
sekjal |
hey, brendan. yeah, a certain amount of our migration is going to have to be manual |
| 18:44 |
|
brendan |
heya sekjal |
| 18:45 |
|
brendan |
sorry for the bad joke |
| 18:45 |
|
sekjal |
its cool |
| 18:45 |
|
sekjal |
thinking about solving this problem is better on the brain than solving the 'linked bibs' issue |
| 18:47 |
|
atz |
sekjal: sounds like you have a normalization problem... can patrons get barcodes, then un-get them... then somebody else get that one? |
| 18:53 |
|
sekjal |
no, all the patron's barcodes stay on their record forever |
| 18:54 |
|
sekjal |
though our plan is to only keep the 'latest' barcode, and retire all the others |
| 18:55 |
|
sekjal |
of course, in theory, it would be possible for a patron to be issued the same barcode as someone else; the ILS doesn't prevent that |
| 18:56 |
|
sekjal |
we've found different item records with the same barcodes |
| 19:01 |
|
joetho |
I have wondered what happens with identical barcodes and koha |
| 19:01 |
|
joetho |
what happens when you scan a barcode like that? |
| 19:02 |
|
joetho |
Does a kitten die somewhere? |
| 19:02 |
|
sekjal |
well, at least using bulkmarcimport.pl, the item with the duplicate barcode does not get imported |
| 19:03 |
|
sekjal |
though I'm sure there are other ways to make a duplication happen |
| 19:03 |
|
chris |
the database doesnt let you have 2 items |
| 19:03 |
|
joetho |
so how do you get duplicate item records with the same barcode? |
| 19:03 |
|
chris |
with the same barcode |
| 19:03 |
|
chris |
the barcode column is unique, ... unless you take that constraint off |
| 19:04 |
|
chris |
mysql will throw your duplicate on the floor, and laugh at it |
| 19:04 |
|
sekjal |
our current ILS, however, cares not for such logical considerations |
| 19:04 |
|
sekjal |
it boldly scoffs at unique values |
| 19:04 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 19:04 |
|
joetho |
So a duplicate barcode would be an anomaly, and probably generate errors of some sort., |
| 19:05 |
|
chris |
it wouldnt exist in koha |
| 19:05 |
|
chris |
so if you put the same barcode on 2 books (physically) |
| 19:05 |
|
chris |
then when you scanned them, they would both say there were the same thing |
| 19:05 |
|
joetho |
<--boldy throws self on floor, laughs uniquely |
| 19:06 |
|
chris |
theres no way for koha to tell that you didnt just scan the same thing twice |
| 19:06 |
|
chris |
until we add the cameras |
| 19:06 |
|
chris |
and robot arms |
| 19:06 |
|
chris |
which smack you for putting duplicate barcodes on items |
| 19:06 |
|
sekjal |
every library needs a koha-bot |
| 19:07 |
|
joetho |
item barcode can be anything up to 15 characters, right? Just has to be unique? |
| 19:07 |
|
chris |
yup |
| 19:07 |
|
chris |
20 even |
| 19:07 |
|
joetho |
I thought somebody told me 15 max |
| 19:07 |
|
chris |
(is what the database will accept) |
| 19:08 |
|
chris |
| barcode | varchar(20) | YES | UNI | |
| 19:08 |
|
joetho |
Hmmm. Not the first time I have had an artificially low credit limit. |
| 19:08 |
|
chris |
is what my db is telling me |
| 19:16 |
|
chris |
breakfast time |
| 19:43 |
|
chris |
back briefly before i go to catch my bus |
| 19:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
joetho you always lighten up the place |
| 20:32 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 20:43 |
|
joetho |
ha ha ha well wizzy, *MY* screen says "sekjal quit" |
| 20:43 |
|
joetho |
jwagner quit, schuster is away, |
| 20:43 |
|
joetho |
I'm thinkin I know how to clear out a room. |
| 20:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
well first there's the smell... |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
back |
| 20:52 |
|
wizzyrea |
wb |
| 20:52 |
|
chris |
its blue skies, no wind and the sun is shining |
| 20:52 |
|
chris |
good day |
| 20:54 |
|
Jo |
Good morning all |
| 20:55 |
|
chris |
heya Jo |
| 20:59 |
|
Jo |
howaya |
| 20:59 |
|
chris |
loving the sun |
| 20:59 |
|
Jo |
yeah - it is nice. |
| 21:00 |
|
Jo |
was dreading opening my inbox this morning but its all good. |
| 21:00 |
|
chris |
don't jinx it :) |
| 21:00 |
|
Jo |
hey what NZ time is the Koha meeting on the 5th |
| 21:00 |
|
Jo |
lol |
| 21:00 |
|
chris |
its tonight |
| 21:00 |
|
chris |
at 10pm |
| 21:00 |
|
Jo |
oh thats cool. I can do that! |
| 21:03 |
|
chris |
heya Sharon |
| 21:03 |
|
Sharon |
howdy |
| 21:04 |
|
Jo |
hi Sharon |
| 21:06 |
|
joetho |
lets see - american central time would be... 2:00 pm? |
| 21:07 |
|
Sharon |
joe, it's 4 |
| 21:07 |
|
Sharon |
you should know this... ;-) |
| 21:07 |
|
joetho |
oh now you are just yankin my chain |
| 21:07 |
|
Sharon |
I trust my computer clock |
| 21:08 |
|
joetho |
like my brothers telling me that santa wasn't coming til noon that one christmas |
| 21:10 |
|
joetho |
ok ok ok , I looked it up. |
| 21:11 |
|
joetho |
hmmm, no Christmas for me THIS year |
| 22:23 |
|
chris |
awesome |
| 22:23 |
|
chris |
just spent 1.5 hours proving that our code to parse the feed from the stock exchange is working right |
| 22:49 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 22:52 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
hey chris |
| 22:52 |
|
chris |
hey chris_n-2nd, hows things? |
| 22:52 |
|
chris |
hi ruth |
| 22:53 |
|
ruth |
hi there |
| 22:53 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
chris: going in a general forward direction |
| 22:53 |
|
chris |
good to hear :) |
| 22:53 |
|
ruth |
hi |
| 22:54 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
chris: just grinding away at the "labels" rewrite... :-P |
| 22:54 |
|
chris |
rather you than me |
| 22:54 |
|
ruth |
new computer, making sure it works for tomorrow's chat. will try to be here by 6 am. |
| 22:54 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
hehe |
| 22:54 |
|
chris |
timezones are fun |
| 22:54 |
|
ruth |
dpm |
| 22:55 |
|
ruth |
oops. don't know which is worse. |
| 23:03 |
|
ruth |
see you all tomorrow. |
| 23:11 |
|
pianohacker1 |
I would argue, even in 2009, that a 1TB NAS for $160 is unnatural |
| 23:16 |
|
chris |
that is pretty damn cheap |
| 23:18 |
|
pianohacker1 |
New from Iomega on Newegg, even, not open box or bargain basement |
| 23:19 |
|
chris |
wow |
| 23:20 |
|
chris |
i may have to get one delivered to my father in laws house hehe |
| 23:50 |
|
chris |
http://twitter.com/elliotkaye/statuses/3133155535 |
| 23:52 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
heh |
| 23:53 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
koha++ |
| 03:18 |
|
Amit |
hi chris, brendan, Jo |
| 03:18 |
|
Amit |
good mrng #koha |
| 03:18 |
|
brendan |
hi amit -- /me goes to cook dinner |
| 03:33 |
|
Amit |
brendan: today is meeting |
| 06:02 |
|
kf |
good morning #koha |
| 06:36 |
|
chris |
hi kf |
| 06:36 |
|
kf |
hi chris |
| 06:41 |
|
chris |
hi laurence and magnusenger |
| 06:41 |
|
magnusenger |
hi chris and everyone |
| 06:41 |
|
chris |
kf: much quieter day on the lists eh |
| 06:45 |
|
kf |
just came into office - forgot to shut down IRC and computer yesterday |
| 06:45 |
|
kf |
ah mailing list... sorry, I m not really awake |
| 06:45 |
|
kf |
yeah, it got quiet |
| 06:57 |
|
indradg |
hi all... a good afternoon from India :) |
| 07:02 |
|
nicomo |
hi all |
| 07:03 |
|
nicomo |
chris: you're around? |
| 07:09 |
|
chris |
mostly |
| 07:09 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 07:14 |
|
indradg |
hi nicomo |
| 07:14 |
|
nicomo |
hi indradg |
| 07:20 |
|
kf |
pootle drives me crazy :( "Ausliehen für" should be "Ausgeliehen an" - but cant find it :( |
| 07:21 |
|
chris |
yeah i use poedit |
| 07:37 |
|
chris |
hi paul_p |
| 07:37 |
|
paul_p |
hi chris |
| 07:38 |
|
kf |
hi paul |
| 07:38 |
|
paul_p |
hi kf |
| 07:39 |
|
paul_p |
and hi to anyone else on this channel |
| 08:17 |
|
indradg |
hi paul_p |
| 08:17 |
|
paul_p |
hi indradg |
| 08:31 |
|
Amit |
hi indradgm, paul_p |
| 08:34 |
|
yesan |
hello |
| 08:35 |
|
yesan |
i would like to know which of the linux flavour is stable for koha |
| 08:35 |
|
yesan |
is anyone out there |
| 08:36 |
|
yesan |
sorry for asking this question |
| 08:36 |
|
kf |
we use ubuntu - but I dont know if its more stable than others |
| 08:36 |
|
kf |
we had no problems so far |
| 08:36 |
|
yesan |
ok |
| 08:37 |
|
Amit |
hi yesan |
| 08:37 |
|
yesan |
anyone else got a different |
| 08:37 |
|
yesan |
answer |
| 08:37 |
|
yesan |
welcome amit |
| 08:38 |
|
chris |
debian lenny |
| 08:38 |
|
yesan |
any more ansers |
| 08:38 |
|
yesan |
thanks lenny |
| 08:38 |
|
chris |
people have installed it on pretty much every distro |
| 08:38 |
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Amit |
chris: opensuse is not best? |
| 08:38 |
|
yesan |
k |
| 08:39 |
|
chris |
but lenny has almost all (if not all) the perl modules packaged |
| 08:39 |
|
yesan |
Chris??:) |
| 08:39 |
|
chris |
so you can apt-get them all on |
| 08:39 |
|
yesan |
on debian :) |
| 08:39 |
|
yesan |
?? |
| 08:39 |
|
chris |
yes |
| 08:39 |
|
Amit |
chris: but yast also not sure |
| 08:40 |
|
chris |
a lot of them are not packaged for other distros |
| 08:40 |
|
paul_p |
Amit: I bet suze lack some modules. Some are VERY specific, and are not in most distros |
| 08:41 |
|
paul_p |
some have even be packaged in Debian Lenny because of the Koha dependancy. |
| 08:41 |
|
yesan |
amit |
| 08:41 |
|
chris |
they are only in debian because a debian developer was working on packaging Koha |
| 08:41 |
|
paul_p |
the long term goal being to be able to do apt-get install koha |
| 08:41 |
|
Amit |
paul_p: yes ur right |
| 08:41 |
|
yesan |
i am getting better answers |
| 08:42 |
|
yesan |
that's great |
| 08:42 |
|
yesan |
Chris, thank u |
| 08:42 |
|
Amit |
chris: some one said me on IRC redhat problem with perl i forget her name |
| 08:42 |
|
chris |
karmic koala will be good to, because it will have all the modules packaged for lenny |
| 08:42 |
|
chris |
jaunty is only missing a few |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
but the real answer is |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
you should use the distro you know best |
| 08:43 |
|
yesan |
ok |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
because you will have less problems that way |
| 08:43 |
|
Amit |
chris: this is right |
| 08:44 |
|
Amit |
for ex: Delhi public library uses koha on Centos-5.2 |
| 08:45 |
|
yesan |
yes amit |
| 09:08 |
|
chris |
nicomo: do you know any drupal developers in paris? |
| 09:09 |
|
nicomo |
personaly, no |
| 09:09 |
|
nicomo |
but that'd be easy to find |
| 09:10 |
|
chris |
one of my colleagues at work, does the postgres support for drupal |
| 09:10 |
|
chris |
and is off to drupalcon in paris in september |
| 09:11 |
|
nicomo |
we'll be there |
| 09:11 |
|
chris |
so i was gonna give him some ppl to look up .. any biblibrans planning on going? |
| 09:11 |
|
nicomo |
Paul will be |
| 09:11 |
|
chris |
excellent :) |
| 09:12 |
|
chris |
he will probably be the only maori there :) |
| 09:12 |
|
nicomo |
and Jean-André (kivutar) |
| 09:12 |
|
nicomo |
and I might go there for 1 day |
| 09:12 |
|
chris |
so yell out Kia ora |
| 09:12 |
|
chris |
and see who looks ;) |
| 09:12 |
|
nicomo |
I have meetings in Paris during the same week |
| 09:12 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 09:12 |
|
nicomo |
eh eh will do |
| 09:14 |
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paul_p |
chris: we will probably speak of SOPAC (with another SOPAC guy) |
| 09:14 |
|
chris |
excllent |
| 09:14 |
|
slef |
45m before meeting? |
| 09:14 |
|
chris |
i will send an email tomorrow to you and him doing introductions :) |
| 09:15 |
|
chris |
yes slef |
| 09:15 |
|
slef |
cool |
| 09:16 |
|
slef |
morning all |
| 09:16 |
|
nicomo |
morning slef |
| 09:16 |
|
paul_p |
chris ++, thanks |
| 09:16 |
|
slef |
has someone sent a last reminder to koha-devel? |
| 09:17 |
|
slef |
I've not read that mailbox in a few days |
| 09:17 |
|
chris |
galen did yesterday |
| 09:17 |
|
slef |
cool, thanks gmcharlt |
| 09:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi folks |
| 09:17 |
|
kf |
good morning galen |
| 09:17 |
|
chris |
hi gmcharlt |
| 09:18 |
|
slef |
biab |
| 09:18 |
|
kf |
have to leave soon (my team goes on a boat trip today :) ) - but really interested in git tutorials |
| 09:18 |
|
chris |
ohh boat trip, lucky |
| 09:19 |
|
kf |
around island mainau - hope we will stay in the boats |
| 09:22 |
|
Amit |
hi galen |
| 09:33 |
|
joetho |
. |
| 09:34 |
|
chris |
hi joetho |
| 09:40 |
|
paul_p |
hi gmcharlt. It's very early for you isn't it ? |
| 09:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: yes :) |
| 09:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
bb in 10 minutes |
| 09:51 |
|
indradg |
savitra, hi |
| 09:51 |
|
savitra |
hello indradg (indranil?) |
| 09:55 |
|
indradg |
savitra, any plans to conduct any koha sessions in Kolkata? |
| 09:56 |
|
savitra |
yes, in talks with a kolkata college to host the workshop. should know more in a couple of weeks.. |
| 09:56 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
g'morning #koha |
| 09:56 |
|
savitra |
likely in nov. |
| 09:56 |
|
paul_p |
chris_n-2nd: wow... complex nickname ;-) |
| 09:56 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
heh |
| 09:56 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
hi paul |
| 09:57 |
|
indradg |
chris_n-2nd, is it you mr. fellow IPL fan? =) |
| 09:57 |
|
paul_p |
(does it means it's chris nightswonger on his second computer ?) |
| 09:57 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
paul_p |
| 09:57 |
|
jransom |
hi all |
| 09:57 |
|
indradg |
jransom, hiya |
| 09:57 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
paul_p++ |
| 09:58 |
|
mason |
mason waves.... |
| 09:58 |
|
Amit |
heya jransom |
| 09:58 |
|
Amit |
hi mason |
| 09:58 |
|
indradg |
savitra, good to hear that. there is some serious interest in the East, but very few movers |
| 09:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
back |
| 09:58 |
|
indradg |
gmcharlt, wb |
| 09:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: if you don't mind, I'd like to volunteer you as notetaker and updater-of-the-meeting wiki page |
| 09:59 |
|
kmkale |
hi all |
| 09:59 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: ok, this is all logged by work's server anyway :) |
| 09:59 |
|
sekjal |
morning, everyone! |
| 10:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: thanks :) |
| 10:00 |
|
IrmaCalyx |
Good evening all |
| 10:00 |
|
paul_p |
mmm...11:59 in France, so yes it's still morning |
| 10:00 |
|
paul_p |
oups... nope, it's no more morning now :D |
| 10:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, it's six o'clock EDT - do you know where your Koha Hacker is? |
| 10:00 |
|
IrmaCalyx |
past 8 pm in Sydney |
| 10:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
let's get started |
| 10:00 |
|
slef |
EDT always makes me smile... Eau De Toilette |
| 10:00 |
|
Amit |
3:35pm in india |
| 10:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
first, let's do a round of intros |
| 10:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, release manager |
| 10:01 |
|
dbirmingham |
I want to be in Sydney |
| 10:01 |
|
jdavidb |
jdavidb eq J. David Bavousett, PTFS |
| 10:01 |
|
jransom |
Joann Ransom. Horowhenua Library Trust. NZ |
| 10:01 |
|
jwagner |
jwagner = Jane Wagner, PTFS |
| 10:01 |
|
chris |
chris = chris cormack, translation manager 10pm here :) |
| 10:01 |
|
slef |
slef = MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 10:01 |
|
sekjal |
sekjal: NYU Health Sciences Libraries |
| 10:01 |
|
IrmaCalyx |
irmacalyx = Irma Birchall from CALYX information essentials |
| 10:02 |
|
dbirmingham |
=> David Birmingham, PTFS |
| 10:02 |
|
paul_p |
paul_p = Paul Poulain, France, from BibLibre, reprensenting hdl, ( 3.0 RMaint), that is in vacation |
| 10:02 |
|
savitra |
savitra, Nucsoft OSS labs..hello all |
| 10:02 |
|
magnusenger |
= Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:02 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
chris_n_2nd (&& chris_n) = chris nighswonger, FBC |
| 10:02 |
|
Colin |
Colin pyfs-europe Ji |
| 10:02 |
|
kf |
Katrin Fischer, BSZ - leaving in half an hour, will log chat |
| 10:03 |
|
schuster |
schuster = David Schuster Plano ISD Plano TX |
| 10:03 |
|
mason |
= mason james, new zealand |
| 10:03 |
|
kmkale |
Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation Thane India and www.granthalaya.org |
| 10:03 |
|
indradg |
indradg == Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, Kolkata, India... hi all |
| 10:03 |
|
Amit |
Amit Gupta Nucsoft osslabs |
| 10:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok thanks to all attendees, especially those getting up early or staying up late to attend |
| 10:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
the page for this meeting on the wiki is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09aug05 |
| 10:05 |
|
paul_p |
(or is hungry because it's lunch time :D ) |
| 10:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
and the agenda items are |
| 10:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
1.Update on Roadmap to 3.2 |
| 10:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
2.Update on Koha 3.0 Roadmap |
| 10:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
3.Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting 1 July 2009 |
| 10:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
4.Management of KohaSocialNetworks |
| 10:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
5.Tutorials for new contributors |
| 10:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
so without further ado |
| 10:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
there has been some craziness recently |
| 10:06 |
|
gmcharlt |
but I will say this, and no more |
| 10:06 |
|
gmcharlt |
I join with everybody in applauding LibLime for their contributions to Koha |
| 10:06 |
|
gmcharlt |
and encourage many more fruitful years of a global collaboration on a great open source ILS |
| 10:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
so moving on to specifics |
| 10:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
thanks to hdl, we're getting closer to having a stabilized new_acq branch ready to push out to head |
| 10:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
I encourage people to check out (or even checkout) the koha-biblibre.git tree hosted on git.koha.org |
| 10:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
and also note the use of a new topic branch for their SOPAC stuff |
| 10:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
which will be another good addition |
| 10:08 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 10:08 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
biblibre++ |
| 10:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
last meeting I said that would would declare feature freeze at the end of the August |
| 10:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
so now, to (re)set a firm date |
| 10:08 |
|
paul_p |
the SOPAC stuff could probably be added quickly on main trunk, as it has strictly no consequences on the rest o fKoha |
| 10:09 |
|
paul_p |
note also that on biblibre branch, there are a LOT of other new features than new acq |
| 10:09 |
|
paul_p |
let me summarize a few of them : |
| 10:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
feature freeze I'm calling for the end of the day, Sunday, 6 September 2009 |
| 10:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: please wait a second |
| 10:09 |
|
paul_p |
ok |
| 10:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
that will give time for us to discuss any last minute stuff at the next IRC meeting (which will be 2 September) |
| 10:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
before feature freeze |
| 10:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, paul_p, please go ahead |
| 10:10 |
|
chris |
sounds good to me |
| 10:10 |
|
paul_p |
I wanted to point that there are a lot of other new features, not only new_acq. |
| 10:10 |
|
paul_p |
we have counted, that's something like 350 patches |
| 10:10 |
|
paul_p |
200 for new_acq, 150 for the others new features |
| 10:10 |
|
paul_p |
for example : |
| 10:11 |
|
paul_p |
- move an item from a biblio to another one (in case of a mistake) |
| 10:11 |
|
paul_p |
- merge biblios |
| 10:11 |
|
paul_p |
- add basket facilities to staff (like in OPAC) |
| 10:11 |
|
paul_p |
- enable many export format for biblios |
| 10:11 |
|
paul_p |
- interactive merge of biblios |
| 10:11 |
|
schuster |
*applause* |
| 10:12 |
|
paul_p |
(all of them sponsored by Aix-Marseille universities) |
| 10:12 |
|
sekjal |
paul_p: we were just thinking of an item-moving tool... that's excellent! |
| 10:12 |
|
jransom |
you guys are great - well done |
| 10:12 |
|
paul_p |
and many more, that I don't remember atm |
| 10:12 |
|
chris |
do you think you would be able to do a page listing them? |
| 10:12 |
|
kf |
biblibre++ |
| 10:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
other cool stuff that I hope gets in before feature freeze |
| 10:12 |
|
paul_p |
chris, no, I think we MUST do a page listing them ;-) |
| 10:12 |
|
chris |
paul_p++ |
| 10:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
* labels rewrite by chris_n-2nd |
| 10:13 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
Aix-Marseille++ |
| 10:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: yes, you must, I command it :) |
| 10:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
* sysprefs editor by pianohacker |
| 10:13 |
|
mason |
FYI: i have a recent interactive-merge tool from kapiti-libraries |
| 10:13 |
|
paul_p |
gmcharlt: sir, yes sir ! |
| 10:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
* RFID stuff from slef and gang (yes? pretty-please) |
| 10:14 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: yes, can do |
| 10:14 |
|
jransom |
we hungry for rfid stuff too |
| 10:14 |
|
mason |
and a bunch of devs/features ready to get commited |
| 10:14 |
|
gmcharlt |
plus bunch o'stuff from PTFS |
| 10:14 |
|
mason |
chris_n, thanks for the labels tidy-up too! |
| 10:14 |
|
slef |
jransom: we're using TRF7960 chips bit I also had it working with another one. What's yours? |
| 10:14 |
|
slef |
s/bit/but |
| 10:14 |
|
gmcharlt |
in conjunction with all of the new stuff, I have a couple requests re bugs |
| 10:14 |
|
jransom |
techlogic |
| 10:15 |
|
jransom |
Chris is our Guru :) |
| 10:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
first, I am calling for a concentrated effort for people to close out any bugs that are actually fixed |
| 10:15 |
|
slef |
ok, will follow up later so hopefully we can make it work with all three :) |
| 10:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
second, I'd like interested people to go through and start marking bugs that are potential blockers and criticals |
| 10:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
the blockers and criticals I'm particularly interested in are: |
| 10:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
* UTF-8 issues |
| 10:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
* circ stuff, for which we really need more automated test cases |
| 10:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
I'd also like to propose a couple bug-squashing sessions |
| 10:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
perhaps one this month if we can fit it in |
| 10:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
and one or two after feature freeze |
| 10:17 |
|
chris |
bug squashing sessions are fun |
| 10:17 |
|
paul_p |
in october, BibLibre plans to organize an internal hackfest/coderun (1 week with all developpers working on koha). |
| 10:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
as far as the roadmap is concerned, obviously with what's going on it's a bit uncertain what will make it into 3.2 as such |
| 10:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
so I'll be decding based on the calendar |
| 10:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
and setting up a post-3.2 branch for pushing any new features submitted after feature freeze |
| 10:19 |
|
paul_p |
gmcharlt: this month, matts is working on new_acq, to improve some things and fix some bugs (full time) |
| 10:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
if we end up with a flurry of submissions after 6 September, I may reconsider the feature freeze, but only if we're looking a bunch of submitted stuff that's complete, not just work in progress |
| 10:20 |
|
chris |
that sounds sensible |
| 10:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
as far as roadmap page is concerned, I'll be editing with my best guesses and information about what will end up in 3.2 |
| 10:20 |
|
chris |
hopefully in the next week or 2 we might get a clearer idea of what will make it in |
| 10:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
and although it's a little too soon to discuss in great detail, we'll need to think about the next version, whether it will be a 3.4 or a 4.0 |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
i guess it depends on how much makes it into 3.2 |
| 10:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
i.e., 3.4 = more incremental changes, 4.0 = the re-architecting that varous of us have been making noises about for the past year |
| 10:21 |
|
slef |
also whether we want to make any earth-shattering changes |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
my one point would be |
| 10:22 |
|
chris |
that if we do do a 4.0 |
| 10:22 |
|
slef |
maybe during the freeze we should poll users, once they can see the probable featureset of 3.2? |
| 10:22 |
|
chris |
we should be careful to make sure we do plenty of interim releases |
| 10:22 |
|
chris |
good idea slef |
| 10:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
related to features |
| 10:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
I also call for active Koha devs and vendors to publish public git trees with well-organized topic branches |
| 10:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
for their work in progress |
| 10:23 |
|
davi |
the problem is lose customer |
| 10:24 |
|
davi |
due to bad competence behavior |
| 10:24 |
|
paul_p |
davi: lose customer ??? |
| 10:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
I will be very happy, and feel ever-so-slightly like Linus, if I get to merge in at least one new feature in 3.2 via a pull request |
| 10:24 |
|
schuster |
When will you decide on a release manager as that will impact if it were a 3.4/4.0 would it not? |
| 10:24 |
|
chris |
not really |
| 10:25 |
|
slef |
I think choosing 3.4 or 4.0 will impact on the RM choice |
| 10:25 |
|
schuster |
ok |
| 10:25 |
|
matts |
:; |
| 10:25 |
|
davi |
paul_p, say I have a EDIFACT work in progress. I would like to resell it to two or even 3 customers before publishing it |
| 10:25 |
|
paul_p |
schuster: there will be something after 3.2, for sure, so we will need a new RM anyway ;-) |
| 10:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
schuster: I imagine that discussion will start in September, at least formally, but don't imagine a decision being made before October unless somebody jumps in raring to go with a good proposal for 3.4/4.0 |
| 10:27 |
|
paul_p |
davi: 1- someone else may publish some EDIFACT work before you release it. 2- that would be much more complex to deal with, from a technical point of view. But all those 2 problems would be yours ! |
| 10:27 |
|
gmcharlt |
given the state of flux, I now don't expect to do a 3.1-alpha tarball until right after feature freeze |
| 10:28 |
|
gmcharlt |
before we move on to 3.0 update from paul_p, questions about 3.2? |
| 10:28 |
|
davi |
paul_p, If I publish my work in progress it would be a lot lot more probable that someone else publish some EDIFACT work before I release |
| 10:28 |
|
indradg |
paul_p++, release-early-release-often |
| 10:28 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: any idea how soon will you update roadmap3.2? |
| 10:28 |
|
chris |
davi working in secret always causes more problems than it solves |
| 10:29 |
|
davi |
I know chris, but I fear a lot :( |
| 10:29 |
|
paul_p |
davi: that would be good news for you, as you could get benefit too ! |
| 10:29 |
|
slef |
davi: need to structure payment carefully so you get paid for developing, not for supply. But this isn't much of a 3.2 issue. |
| 10:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: I'm giving myself a deadline of 12 August for that |
| 10:29 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: noted. thanks. |
| 10:29 |
|
davi |
ok slef |
| 10:29 |
|
slef |
no more Qs from me |
| 10:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, on to you paul_p |
| 10:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
btw, hdl++ for releasing 3.0.3 |
| 10:31 |
|
paul_p |
hdl finished the 3.0 / head reconciliation. So a 3.0.4 should be ready soon. it includes all bugfixes & some improvements that LibLime already deployed on some customers (thus the name "reconciliation branch". |
| 10:31 |
|
schuster |
Again I might request people to enter enhancements they are "working on" in bugs.koha.org so everyone knows they are being enhanced or can connect with interested parties. |
| 10:32 |
|
paul_p |
with 3.0.4, we can have 3.0.x branch going his way, and head going his way |
| 10:32 |
|
paul_p |
before leaving for vacation hdl called for some tests on 3.0.4 |
| 10:33 |
|
paul_p |
dunno if he had some feedback, i don't read his mails ;-) |
| 10:33 |
|
chris |
i have the branch running here |
| 10:33 |
|
paul_p |
he will be back next monday |
| 10:33 |
|
chris |
havent hit any big obvious errors |
| 10:33 |
|
paul_p |
I think he will "string freeze" and ask for translation quite quickly |
| 10:34 |
|
paul_p |
and the translation process should not be too long, as there are not zillions of string changes |
| 10:34 |
|
paul_p |
(my feeling, did not check any numbers) |
| 10:35 |
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chris |
yeah there arent many changes |
| 10:35 |
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paul_p |
I don't know when 3.0.4 can be published. But would be good to have it in september (early, or middle ?) |
| 10:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: I vote for early |
| 10:36 |
|
paul_p |
me too, but that will depend on translator speed i think |
| 10:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
yep |
| 10:37 |
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chris |
we need to give translators at least a week, preferably 2 |
| 10:37 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
paul_p: the labels rewrite is being done over the 3.0.x code base and so should apply easily to it if you are interested |
| 10:37 |
|
chris |
so we can try to get some of the other languages finished too |
| 10:37 |
|
schuster |
Is there a write up of the label rewrite someplace so some of us know what is involved? |
| 10:38 |
|
paul_p |
chris_n-2nd: in theory, it's interesting. But a lot of new features could be added too. So I think it's better to concentrate on new features for 3.2 |
| 10:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris_n-2nd: I'd prefer that it go into 3.2 first |
| 10:38 |
|
slef |
schuster: brief discussion on mailing list last week |
| 10:38 |
|
paul_p |
(that's almost the same question jwagner just asked me privatly !!!) |
| 10:38 |
|
paul_p |
3.2 should not be that far, so I prefer having all the features into it |
| 10:38 |
|
jwagner |
Yes, I haven't been through a major release yet. What would be the target timing for 3.2 release? |
| 10:38 |
|
chris_n-2nd |
schuster: basically we are shooting for the same level of functionality as currently exists for starters |
| 10:39 |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: after feature freeze, about a month for intensive bugfixing + translators getting started |
| 10:39 |
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slef |
jwagner: freeze early September and then it depends how quickly you/we test and fix the remaining bugs |
| 10:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
then a string freeze, and translations finishing up |
| 10:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
so ideally, late October |
| 10:39 |
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chris_n-2nd |
schuster: minimal new features (like single label printing) will be added and bugfixes on this round |
| 10:40 |
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gmcharlt |
but as slef says, the bug count will ultimately drive the timing |
| 10:40 |
|
slef |
jwagner: past major releases are not an indicator of future performance, happily. |
| 10:40 |
|
jwagner |
OK, that's good to know for planning. Thanks. |
| 10:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
at any rate, I don't plan to release with open blockers |
| 10:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
anythign more to say about 3.0? |
| 10:41 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt: no. |
| 10:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
(back in a minute - time to wake up my wife) |
| 10:41 |
|
paul_p |
but something about 3.2 |
| 10:41 |
|
schuster |
Great code...:) |
| 10:42 |
|
paul_p |
if i'm not mistaken, noone at BibLibre has written the script to updatedatabase smoothly for new_acq, for libraries that uses acquisitions in 3.0. So, it basically means : you'll loose all your acquisitions stats. hdl should work on that this month I think/hope |
| 10:42 |
|
paul_p |
s/mistaken/mistaking/ |
| 10:43 |
|
jwagner |
paul_p your new acq does not include EDI, does it? |
| 10:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
back |
| 10:43 |
|
nicomo |
jwagner: no it does not |
| 10:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: yeah, make that update work will definitely be a blocker bug for 3.2 |
| 10:43 |
|
paul_p |
jwagner: right, there's nothing about EDI (not requested by SAN-OP, that sponsored new_acq) |
| 10:43 |
|
jwagner |
OK, thanks. |
| 10:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
so on to next agenda item |
| 10:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
action items from last meeting |
| 10:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
1. the welcome message for the Koha mailing list is in fact - thanks to nengard and everybody who worked on drafting it |
| 10:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
2. slef: any luck munging the wiki edit log for the relicensing? |
| 10:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi nengard |
| 10:45 |
|
paul_p |
davi: just FYI => the SAN-OP funding for new_acq was not complete, something like 50%. but it improves global quality of Koha, so we think it will be easier to convince libraries to use it, so more incomes for BibLibre |
| 10:45 |
|
nengard |
hiya - I assume I missed the meeting :( |
| 10:45 |
|
paul_p |
hey... |
| 10:45 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt leave to wake up his wife and ... nengard arrives. are those events related ? |
| 10:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
nengard: we're on egenda item #3, so still in time for your #4 and #5 |
| 10:45 |
|
paul_p |
:D |
| 10:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: umm, no :) |
| 10:45 |
|
chris |
nengard: no koha meeting has ever taken less than 1 hour :) |
| 10:46 |
|
davi |
I know paul_p |
| 10:46 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: not yet, but hope to start the process between now and next meeting. Seemed a good idea to let it run into the academic year anyway. |
| 10:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 10:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
there was discussion of making loose guidelines for command-line script argument processing |
| 10:46 |
|
nengard |
chris i have been on meetings that are less than an hour :) but glad i made it in time for some of the agenda |
| 10:46 |
|
nengard |
sorry for oversleeping |
| 10:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
somebody made the change to the coding guidlines on the wiki, and as they seem fine and I haven't heard any problems with it, they stand |
| 10:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
interim 3.1 alpha didn't happen, obviously - as I said earlier, will do an alpha tarball after feature freeze |
| 10:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
I still have admin access to bugs.koha.org, so will be working on some of that sometime this month, though it will be a sideline to working on 3.2 itself |
| 10:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
and I think that's it for #3, unless people have questions |
| 10:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
if not, #4 is management of Koha Social Networks |
| 10:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ohasocialnetworks |
| 10:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
nengard: that's your agenda item, so please go ahead |
| 10:49 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: nengard: I added it |
| 10:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: oops, ok, you go ahead then :) |
| 10:49 |
|
nengard |
slef - didn't think it was me :) |
| 10:49 |
|
slef |
basically, what are we doing? Are we allowing almost anyone into all of them? |
| 10:49 |
|
slef |
or should some of them be limited to users and developers? |
| 10:49 |
|
nengard |
here's the link to the ones I knew of: http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/archives/662 |
| 10:50 |
|
slef |
nengard: I copied that to the wiki.koha.org and added some more I think |
| 10:50 |
|
nengard |
slef I have been letting anyone join them but admins are only developers and users |
| 10:50 |
|
nengard |
thanks slef!! |
| 10:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
I think it would be a good idea to put the list of the admins for each network on the wiki page |
| 10:51 |
|
nengard |
also slef and I worked on updating the Yahoo Pipe to add some sites I had missed so those are now going out to the kohails twitter users |
| 10:51 |
|
slef |
ok - and when do we remove someone? (spam?) |
| 10:51 |
|
nengard |
gmcharlt I can do that |
| 10:51 |
|
slef |
basically we need to be singing from the same song sheet on this, minimally |
| 10:52 |
|
nengard |
we can remove them for spam - are we getting any on any of the networks - |
| 10:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: to propose a guideline, if somebody's contributions on a particular network are not majority Koha related, they can be removed |
| 10:52 |
|
nengard |
seems that most people who join these things are looking for us to give them info |
| 10:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
obviously, any viagra spam or the like can be shot on sight |
| 10:52 |
|
nengard |
hehe |
| 10:52 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: ok. What do others think of that? |
| 10:52 |
|
chris |
works for me |
| 10:53 |
|
nengard |
i'm fine with it - except that there are some networks we can't remove people from |
| 10:53 |
|
indradg |
gmcharlt,++ |
| 10:53 |
|
nengard |
if someone uses the koha hashtag on twitter with viagra spam - I can't stop them .... |
| 10:53 |
|
slef |
nengard: can you label which those are? |
| 10:53 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
fine by me |
| 10:53 |
|
nengard |
slef - twitter is the only one that comes to mind - I will have to look into the others - as i've never had to remove anyone before :) |
| 10:54 |
|
slef |
I think we don't have any yet, but shall we say that networks which are just koha users and developers are "social" and don't have the "majority Koha" requirement? |
| 10:54 |
|
nengard |
slef++ |
| 10:55 |
|
slef |
heh, there's http://identi.ca/peopletag/koha but it doesn't have many members yet |
| 10:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: sounds good to me |
| 10:55 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
slef++ |
| 10:55 |
|
nengard |
slef will join when meeting is over :) |
| 10:55 |
|
slef |
ok... nengard and slef to coordinate update of the wiki page |
| 10:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: I don't know if it's been an issue for the planet, but if say somebody has a general blog where they talk about Koha 25% of the time and other stuff 75%, that may be a candidate for encourage them to make a topic-specific feed |
| 10:55 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: yes, we've done that |
| 10:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 10:56 |
|
slef |
both mine and chris's are like that - maybe others are too |
| 10:56 |
|
nengard |
I too have koha specific feeds |
| 10:56 |
|
chris |
i have topic feeds |
| 10:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
good enough |
| 10:56 |
|
chris |
i dont think the planet is using it tho |
| 10:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
anything more on social networks? |
| 10:56 |
|
nengard |
and just as an FYI - for the Pipe I always picked the Koha feed if there was one |
| 10:57 |
|
jransom |
(off to bed - night all) |
| 10:57 |
|
nengard |
nothing more from me on social networks |
| 10:57 |
|
paul_p |
bye jransom. |
| 10:57 |
|
nengard |
sleep tight jransom |
| 10:57 |
|
slef |
nothing from me |
| 10:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, last agenda item, organizing tutorials for new contributors |
| 10:58 |
|
nengard |
that was added by me |
| 10:58 |
|
dbirmingham |
Interested |
| 10:59 |
|
davi |
for Git, just link to http://progit.org/book/ |
| 10:59 |
|
nengard |
davi i learn better when i see things in action |
| 10:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
davi: I think the idea was for something a little more interactive, where a few Koha old hands would show newbies the ropes |
| 10:59 |
|
nengard |
i was thinking of us being able to join a webinar or screensharing session of some sort |
| 10:59 |
|
sekjal |
me, too. plus, we have local Koha practices on top of what Git can do |
| 10:59 |
|
davi |
that book is completely free, updated and a very very basic introduction |
| 10:59 |
|
nengard |
i want to help out, but i have to admin i'm scared I'll mess something up |
| 11:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
heh: http://www.indexdata.com/blog/[…]ns-screen-sharing |
| 11:00 |
|
nengard |
so i only do small patches right now |
| 11:00 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: erm, been doing that for aaages :) |
| 11:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
so it looks like we have a few things to decide |
| 11:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
topic - Git & Koha Git usage seems to be it |
| 11:01 |
|
pie |
hi guys, just thought I'd say hi and say something about new contributors |
| 11:01 |
|
nengard |
I'd add -- topic - file locations and editing the db |
| 11:01 |
|
Colin |
Some folk find http://gitcasts.com/ useful |
| 11:01 |
|
pie |
I mean, I'm happy with Git but with Koha, it's kinda hard where to know where to start :) |
| 11:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
who - I volunteer to help facilitate (and pontificate), but would like another volunteer or two |
| 11:01 |
|
sekjal |
a summary of our coding guidelines would be good as a reminder, as well |
| 11:01 |
|
pie |
I got it up and running once, but wasn't sure what to look at next |
| 11:02 |
|
nengard |
sekjal maybe someone can put that on the wiki - that's something I can read :) |
| 11:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
so topic 2: how to navigate Koha's codebase including file locations |
| 11:02 |
|
paul_p |
jdavidb: sometimes, "half geeks" are easier to understand for "true newbies" |
| 11:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
nengard: what do you mean by editing the DB? |
| 11:02 |
|
jdavidb |
Only to you, nengard. :P |
| 11:02 |
|
jwagner |
I have a Webex account -- we could probably host a session. |
| 11:02 |
|
paul_p |
i've had hard time starting with git, because I found only "high level" tutorials |
| 11:03 |
|
nengard |
gmcharlt sorry distracted - i meant how to edit the codebase when it alters the database - example there are typos in the syspref definitions that I could easily fix if I knew where to go and what needed doing |
| 11:03 |
|
jdavidb |
I've been cobbling together a cookbook-style tutorial here, that might be useful. |
| 11:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
topic 3 - coding database updates |
| 11:03 |
|
slef |
jwagner: isn't webex another blasted java application mislabelled as a webinar? |
| 11:04 |
|
paul_p |
nengard: the syspref problem will be killed by jesse patches (but your core question still relevant) |
| 11:04 |
|
slef |
oh it annoys me |
| 11:04 |
|
jwagner |
slef, dunno what drives it but I've used it successfully for years (training and individual troubleshooting) |
| 11:04 |
|
nengard |
paul_p - yipppppppeeeeeee |
| 11:04 |
|
indradg |
slef, and prolly one has to pay to use webex? |
| 11:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
indradg: hosts do, users do not |
| 11:04 |
|
slef |
if it's called a webinar it should work in a web browser without downloading applications |
| 11:04 |
|
indradg |
gmcharlt, thanks... didnt know that |
| 11:04 |
|
slef |
which usually aren't available and aren't cooperatively-developed |
| 11:04 |
|
nengard |
I mentioned earlier that WebHuddle and DImDim are open source options |
| 11:05 |
|
chris |
i think a lot can be done in an irc session |
| 11:05 |
|
nengard |
but I have never been able to get the VOIP parts of them working |
| 11:05 |
|
paul_p |
i've a mail from him asking how to translate the file he plans to do. It's just a yaml file |
| 11:05 |
|
nengard |
chris - I really need/want to see the screen as the edits are made - it makes all the difference to me |
| 11:05 |
|
paul_p |
so, no more definitions in the DB itself (it was a stupid idea -from me iirc- ) |
| 11:05 |
|
chris |
where someone picks a bug, and fixes it, talking people through what they are doing |
| 11:05 |
|
slef |
IRC with a screen may be the simplest |
| 11:05 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 11:05 |
|
paul_p |
slef++ |
| 11:05 |
|
nengard |
slef++ |
| 11:05 |
|
slef |
could probably even have screen for those who want that and screencast it for those who prefer that |
| 11:06 |
|
slef |
although I'm not up-to-date on screencasting |
| 11:06 |
|
joetho |
jingo |
| 11:06 |
|
slef |
I used x2x which was like 10 years ago |
| 11:06 |
|
slef |
and timbuktu 15 years ago |
| 11:06 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
joetho: it uses flash, expect protest |
| 11:06 |
|
nengard |
hehe |
| 11:06 |
|
slef |
Wizzyrea_: I don't mind as long as it's not the only route. |
| 11:07 |
|
nengard |
i like the screencasting idea because we can record that and put it up for those who can't attend sessions and for future community members |
| 11:07 |
|
nicomo |
nengard++ |
| 11:07 |
|
paul_p |
nengard++ |
| 11:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
well, I expect we can organize something that uses screen(1) as well as other screencasting options |
| 11:07 |
|
paul_p |
nicomo already did some screencasts |
| 11:07 |
|
schuster |
Nengard ++ |
| 11:07 |
|
paul_p |
(in french, for some customers) |
| 11:07 |
|
slef |
I just feel it's wrong to expect people to use non-FOSS to get started developing FOSS |
| 11:07 |
|
paul_p |
(very very usefull) |
| 11:07 |
|
chris |
slef++ |
| 11:07 |
|
nengard |
paul_p was going to ask where they were - but unfortunatly I don't know French :( |
| 11:08 |
|
slef |
(eating our own dogfood IYKWIM) |
| 11:08 |
|
nengard |
NEKLS has some awesome ones - but they're not about developement |
| 11:08 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
it's too early for me to parse the intricacies of human social interaction. |
| 11:08 |
|
davi |
instead x2x maybe we could try "Neatx NX server" which is a lot quicker in low connections |
| 11:08 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: "Sorry, you don't have enough rights to continue. Perhaps you forgot to login?" |
| 11:08 |
|
nengard |
i have some FOSS screencasting apps bookmarked |
| 11:08 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: from wiki, which is odd because I've been actively editing during the last hour |
| 11:08 |
|
nicomo |
beyond this particular issue with git I think nengard's point really is we need to do a better job helping non-coders help in, right? |
| 11:09 |
|
slef |
nengard: can we pretest them? |
| 11:09 |
|
nengard |
nicomo absolutely |
| 11:09 |
|
chris |
and coders |
| 11:09 |
|
paul_p |
nengard: try http://www.biblibre.com/node/112 for some example (it's about koha, so even if you don't understand french, you should understand the context) |
| 11:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: odd - there's a timeout, but I ubmped that up ages ago |
| 11:09 |
|
nengard |
slef - don't remember - let me get you the links |
| 11:09 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
well, if you have an army of semi-geeks able to fix typos that makes it easier, right? |
| 11:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: possible glitch in dokuwiki's OpenID support? |
| 11:09 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: can't be timeout because I've been editing. It's like there's some maximum session length. |
| 11:10 |
|
nengard |
http://delicious.com/nengard/o[…]source+screencast |
| 11:10 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: possible. Thought I'd let you know in case you get more reports. |
| 11:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: ok, thanks |
| 11:10 |
|
slef |
nengard: ta |
| 11:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
nicomo, nengard: what it sounds like this is becoming is a need for a series of tutorial sessions |
| 11:11 |
|
nengard |
i'm up for that!! |
| 11:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
possibly as something that's regularly scheduled |
| 11:11 |
|
nicomo |
+1 |
| 11:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
monthly or bimonthly, perhaps |
| 11:11 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
Koha Uni |
| 11:11 |
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nengard |
love it Wizzyrea_ |
| 11:11 |
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nengard |
we can start a chanel on blip.tv and/or youtube |
| 11:11 |
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nicomo |
the Brand: start with a brand ;- |
| 11:11 |
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gmcharlt |
Wizzyrea_++ |
| 11:11 |
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slef |
chris: what's "welcome" in maori? |
| 11:12 |
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chris |
theres a bunch |
| 11:12 |
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chris |
nau mai |
| 11:12 |
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nicomo |
not too formal then |
| 11:12 |
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chris |
haere mai |
| 11:12 |
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davi |
gmcharlt, I would propose the creation of a mailing list specific to teaching, announce new screencasts, etc. because it is lot hard read all the email in the dev list |
| 11:12 |
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slef |
chris: "welcome to koha" or "invitation to koha"? |
| 11:13 |
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nengard |
davi I recommend instead a blog or a rss feed of some sort :) |
| 11:13 |
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chris |
watea, powhiri, pohiri |
| 11:13 |
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nengard |
too many mailing lists |
| 11:13 |
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slef |
blip.tv and youtube both work most of the time |
| 11:13 |
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gmcharlt |
davi: I think a koha-newbies list is a good idea, but for it to work, enough people have to commit to helping out on it for it to be effective |
| 11:13 |
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davi |
nengard, yes, something like that ... |
| 11:13 |
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gmcharlt |
otherwise, it will become ignored |
| 11:13 |
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chris |
Nau mai ki a Koha |
| 11:13 |
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nengard |
slef i was thinking of trying to reach out to the world using a popular tool :) we can post them on our own blog too |
| 11:13 |
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chris |
welcome to koha |
| 11:13 |
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slef |
Does everyone here know blog.gmane.org makes some of the koha lists available as blogs? |
| 11:13 |
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nengard |
we can set up a WP blog with multiple users accounts and we can all post our tutorials |
| 11:13 |
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indradg |
nengard, you can use Istanbul for doing the screencasting... can even do a voiceover |
| 11:14 |
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nengard |
oooo - can you tell i'm getting excited :) hehe |
| 11:14 |
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dbirmingham |
davi: I don't believe it would work |
| 11:14 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
could also do something like the planet |
| 11:14 |
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nengard |
indradg these all have voice recording too: http://delicious.com/nengard/o[…]source+screencast |
| 11:14 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: if we go with the blog route, is your offer to set up WP-MU blogs still open? |
| 11:14 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
where peeople can add their feeds |
| 11:14 |
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slef |
(the links to blog.gmane.org have recently gone from koha.org I think) |
| 11:14 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
for koha tutorial |
| 11:15 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: yes, I need to do it anyway (our job reference 1123) |
| 11:15 |
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nicomo |
I like nengard's idea of going where people are: blip.tv or youtube |
| 11:15 |
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joetho |
I think it is important to link to (and back from) existing sites, like koha.org |
| 11:15 |
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davi |
dbirmingham, we need some central point to post all the tutorial, etc. material |
| 11:15 |
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slef |
Wizzyrea_: our MU has FeedWordpress installed |
| 11:15 |
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dbirmingham |
Looks like reply fail for me. Sorry! |
| 11:16 |
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joetho |
too many websites ! |
| 11:16 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
nicomo: me too, fwiw |
| 11:16 |
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nengard |
hehe |
| 11:16 |
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sekjal |
so, its sounding like we're looking at asynchronous presentation of these tutorials. Is there still interest in a live presentation? |
| 11:16 |
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sekjal |
and if so, when? |
| 11:16 |
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schuster |
Could they not be linked from the development page? |
| 11:16 |
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nengard |
sekjal |
| 11:16 |
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joetho |
yes! |
| 11:16 |
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nengard |
yes |
| 11:16 |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: umm, I'm *not* in favor of disallowing links for any reason |
| 11:16 |
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kmkale |
yes please |
| 11:16 |
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slef |
joetho: you'll need to ask koha.org's editors about that. |
| 11:16 |
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nengard |
schuster gmcharlt we can put links all over the place |
| 11:17 |
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nengard |
but i like the idea of a central repository |
| 11:17 |
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schuster |
Well we are all koha.org editors now if you login are we not? |
| 11:17 |
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slef |
sekjal: presentation with live Q+A? |
| 11:17 |
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slef |
schuster: did something change in the last week? |
| 11:17 |
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joetho |
nengard: yes, centralize |
| 11:17 |
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nengard |
schuster you are able to add if you login - and edit your own stuff - but not edit other stuff |
| 11:17 |
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sekjal |
slef: something like that, sure |
| 11:17 |
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schuster |
i LOVE central repository.. |
| 11:17 |
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gmcharlt |
that gets recorded for posterity on blip.tv/youtube/and a central Koha Uni blog .. |
| 11:17 |
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schuster |
Ah sorry... I've been on vacation remember... |
| 11:18 |
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davi |
nengard++ for central repository, else it would be a nightmare of coordination |
| 11:18 |
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nengard |
hehe |
| 11:18 |
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slef |
learn.koha.org :) |
| 11:18 |
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kmkale |
central repo++ |
| 11:18 |
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nengard |
okay - in the interest of time i say that I set up a page on the wiki where we can all get the specifics outlined |
| 11:18 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
there ya go slef |
| 11:18 |
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paul_p |
slef++ |
| 11:18 |
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joetho |
I also like the idea of a Delete Czar who can consolidate and streamline what is beginning to become a somewhat bloated web presence. If I may be so bold. |
| 11:18 |
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davi |
learn.koha.org ++ |
| 11:18 |
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nengard |
i will post all of our suggestions and unanswered questions |
| 11:18 |
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gmcharlt |
nengard++ # wiki |
| 11:19 |
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gmcharlt |
slef++ # learn.koha.org |
| 11:19 |
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schuster |
Thanks to nengard the documentation guru... |
| 11:19 |
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slef |
nengard: can you link it from http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]_new_contributors please? |
| 11:19 |
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chris |
joetho: the *.koha.org sites? |
| 11:19 |
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nengard |
absolutely slef |
| 11:20 |
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chris |
joetho: or someone who goes round the web hackng peoples websites to remove stuff? |
| 11:20 |
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slef |
ok... if anyone who arrived late wants adding to http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]09aug05#attendees please tell me now |
| 11:21 |
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nengard |
slef i arrived late |
| 11:21 |
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schuster |
Too much power. |
| 11:21 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
me too |
| 11:21 |
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gmcharlt |
chris: well obviously you have to give the czar a big red delete button first |
| 11:21 |
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ruth |
me also |
| 11:21 |
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dbirmingham |
davi: I may have been off point. Early in my day for me :-) |
| 11:21 |
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davi |
slef, add me with my coop name |
| 11:21 |
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slef |
please tell me "Name, Organisation/Affiliation" |
| 11:21 |
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gmcharlt |
chris: whether you hook it up to anything is a different question ;) |
| 11:21 |
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chris |
hehe |
| 11:21 |
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slef |
so I don't embarrass myself getting them wrong ;-) |
| 11:21 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
Liz Rea, NEKLS |
| 11:21 |
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davi |
np dbirmingham |
| 11:22 |
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ruth |
Ruth Vargas, Howard County Library |
| 11:22 |
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nengard |
slef: nengard = Nicole Engard / Koha Doc Manager/LibLime |
| 11:22 |
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slef |
Currently locked by: indradg |
| 11:22 |
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slef |
indradg: let me know when you're done, please |
| 11:22 |
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davi |
slef, "Davi Diaz, software.coop" |
| 11:22 |
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indradg |
slef, done.... was correcting a small typo |
| 11:23 |
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gmcharlt |
looks like we're winding down - any last minute stuff that anybody wants to bring up in the next two minutes? |
| 11:24 |
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slef |
ok, anyone else needs to add themselves |
| 11:24 |
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gmcharlt |
*BONG* |
| 11:24 |
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slef |
or beg smeone else |
| 11:24 |
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schuster |
gmcharlt - great work... Now I'm off for more coffee and a shower and off to work! |
| 11:24 |
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gmcharlt |
thanks everybody for attending |
| 11:24 |
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gmcharlt |
next meeting will be 2 September - I'll send an email |
| 11:24 |
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nengard |
thanks all - sorry for being late |
| 11:24 |
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nengard |
but i'm very excited |
| 11:24 |
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paul_p |
thanks to everybody waked up early ;-) |
| 11:25 |
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schuster |
gmcharlt thanks again for being a great RM! |
| 11:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
thanks |
| 11:25 |
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jdavidb |
Thanks, gmcharlt! *wave* |
| 11:25 |
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schuster |
paul_p can now go have lunch! |
| 11:25 |
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sekjal |
thank you, gmcharlt, and everyone else, too! |
| 11:25 |
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indradg |
thanks gmcharlt |
| 11:25 |
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Amit |
thanks galen |
| 11:25 |
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Wizzyrea_ |
ttyl. 30 more minutes of pillow time for me |
| 11:25 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
:) |
| 11:25 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
oh man, I want tea |
| 11:25 |
|
slef |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09aug05 updated - I'm out of it |
| 11:26 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
after pilllow time. |
| 11:26 |
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chris |
heh |
| 11:32 |
|
chris |
and the room clears out |
| 11:32 |
|
chris |
man, i drunk too much coffee to stay awake |
| 11:33 |
|
chris |
now i have to wait for that to wear off |
| 11:33 |
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kmkale |
can some one here please explain to me how monthely patron fees work? |
| 11:34 |
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chris |
the what? |
| 11:34 |
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kmkale |
I mean how to set it up, how to get overdue warning on the circulation screens in staff client and print fee receipts etc |
| 11:34 |
|
kmkale |
monthly library fees |
| 11:35 |
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chris |
ummm i dont know anything about monthly fees im afraid |
| 11:37 |
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kmkale |
some libraries ( public ones ) here charge a set amount per month |
| 11:38 |
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joetho |
is Chris too awake for this? |
| 11:38 |
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kmkale |
and would like to track fees rcpts, overdues, etc in koha so that non paying patrons are not lent books till dues are cleared etc.. |
| 11:39 |
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chris |
right overdues, rental fees etc koha does |
| 11:39 |
|
chris |
but i dont think there is any concept of monthly fees |
| 11:39 |
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chris |
unless its a new feature |
| 11:40 |
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joetho |
patrons can be "auto-debarred" for such things, which prevents additional checkouts |
| 11:40 |
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indradg |
kmkale, sounds interesting, can you describe the use-case step-by-step and put it up somewhere? |
| 11:40 |
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kmkale |
I have gone over the fines etc. That is not fitting the bill here |
| 11:40 |
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kmkale |
indrag : yes I will |
| 11:41 |
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chris |
kmkale: yes it sounds like it would need to be a new feature |
| 11:41 |
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indradg |
chris, this sort of model has place in india, in fact, the way its going, might need integration into micro-payments using mobile phones |
| 11:41 |
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kmkale |
pl pardon my ignorance |
| 11:41 |
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chris |
membership fee |
| 11:41 |
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kmkale |
but dont public libraries in your contry charge any fees? |
| 11:41 |
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chris |
not time based ones |
| 11:42 |
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chris |
only overdues |
| 11:42 |
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kmkale |
chris :one time or recurring? |
| 11:42 |
|
chris |
or rental charges |
| 11:42 |
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idg|lunch |
bbiab in 10 |
| 11:43 |
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chris |
i dont know of any publics which charge a monthly fee in new zealand |
| 11:43 |
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idg|lunch |
chris, the model here for some public libs is like paying for cable TV or any utility... small amount every month for lending |
| 11:43 |
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chris |
right |
| 11:43 |
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kmkale |
yup |
| 11:43 |
|
Amit |
Delhi public library charge Rs 2 per membership fees |
| 11:43 |
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chris |
so it would need to be a new feature, specced out and coded :) |
| 11:44 |
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kmkale |
under granthalaya.org we have started installing koha in public libraries |
| 11:44 |
|
kmkale |
this is a need no one for them |
| 11:44 |
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Amit |
hi kmkale |
| 11:44 |
|
kmkale |
as these fees are their sustainance |
| 11:44 |
|
kmkale |
hi amit |
| 11:45 |
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chris |
idg|lunch: here it is still primarily funded by local government taxes |
| 11:45 |
|
kmkale |
the libraries also have to give detailed reports of same to govt and its founding trust bodies |
| 11:46 |
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chris |
altho there are people who wish it to be more user pays based |
| 11:46 |
|
chris |
i personally think those people are crazy, and that that model disadvantages the people who need the library the most |
| 11:46 |
|
chris |
but i dont rule the world ..... yet |
| 11:47 |
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kmkale |
Amit DPL does not charge a monthly fee right? |
| 11:47 |
|
kmkale |
:) |
| 11:47 |
|
Amit |
no monthly fee |
| 11:47 |
|
Amit |
dpl charge only one time fee at the time of registration |
| 11:48 |
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kmkale |
thought so amit. met some of DPL ppl at NCRA |
| 11:48 |
|
Amit |
bu they will also charge for CD/DVD |
| 11:48 |
|
Amit |
i know u meet dpl people at NCRA |
| 11:48 |
|
Amit |
only charge Rs 2 |
| 11:49 |
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kmkale |
Chris: if its to be new feature who is working on similar stuff any idea? |
| 11:49 |
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chris |
fees stuff? hmmm |
| 11:49 |
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kmkale |
or who is doing most work on fines and rental charges? |
| 11:49 |
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chris |
i think biblibre |
| 11:49 |
|
kmkale |
so if I manage to do something I can align it with their work |
| 11:50 |
|
kmkale |
should I aks paul? |
| 11:50 |
|
kmkale |
s/aks/ask |
| 11:50 |
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Amit |
i think one time fee is good idea as compare to monthly fees |
| 11:50 |
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slef |
kmkale: search for/file an enhancement bug on bugs.koha.org at some point |
| 11:51 |
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Amit |
kmkale: http://bugs.koha.org/ |
| 11:51 |
|
kmkale |
slef, amit: yes I have searched bugs and patches |
| 11:52 |
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kmkale |
I have also gone over existing code relating to fines and rentals etc. could not find anything similar to monthly fees so thought yo ask here |
| 11:52 |
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slef |
ok - if it's not there, put in an enh bug and it should attract attention from anyone working on it already |
| 11:53 |
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Amit |
sandeep ask me this question already to me |
| 11:53 |
|
kmkale |
yes amit sandeep and me are working together |
| 11:53 |
|
Amit |
kmkale: what DPL people to say about this |
| 11:53 |
|
Amit |
about fee |
| 11:53 |
|
kmkale |
they are not tracking fees in koha |
| 11:53 |
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Amit |
they are tracking but only CD/DVD |
| 11:54 |
|
Amit |
fees |
| 11:54 |
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kmkale |
ya they dont have this monthly fees suff. cd/dvd is rentals |
| 11:54 |
|
Amit |
not monthly fee |
| 11:54 |
|
Amit |
yes CD/DVD is rentals |
| 11:55 |
|
Amit |
wait i will see again to dpl staff login |
| 11:55 |
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kmkale |
slef: I will do that ( enh bug ) |
| 11:57 |
|
tomascohen |
hi everyone, sorry i'm late |
| 11:57 |
|
tomascohen |
have you already talked about debar fines? |
| 11:58 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09aug05 is the minutes tomascohen |
| 11:58 |
|
Amit |
kmkale: they are manging with Till Reconciliation |
| 11:58 |
|
Amit |
hi tomascohen |
| 11:58 |
|
tomascohen |
thx! |
| 11:59 |
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kmkale |
Amit: yes but does not solve my problem of monthly fees and overdues thereof |
| 11:59 |
|
Amit |
but monthly fee too complex i think |
| 11:59 |
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chris |
yes, it is definitely a new feature that someone will have to write |
| 11:59 |
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chris |
file it as an enhancement as step 1 |
