Time Nick Message 12:26 jdavidb Morning, schuster. :) 12:26 schuster HAYLO! 12:26 paul_p hi jdavidb & shuster 12:26 jdavidb Howdy, Paul! 12:27 Amit hi jdavidb 12:27 jdavidb Howdy, Amit. :) 12:34 gmcharlt hi schuster 12:35 kf http://www.kics.edu.pk/koha/ - koha dhoom? 12:37 Amit kf: Koha-Dhoom 12:37 schuster interesting... 12:39 indradg__ kf, "Dhoom" in Urdu (the state language of Pakistan) means a loud bang or a startling happening that grabs everyone's attention 12:39 gmcharlt Koha-Dhoom++ 12:40 gmcharlt indradg__: how is the 'dh' pronounced? 12:42 indradg__ gmcharlt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpofrb7FV-E follow the song's lyric.... its used in the same context too =P 12:44 gmcharlt indradg__: thanks 12:44 indradg__ gmcharlt, anytime : 12:44 indradg__ :) 13:15 nahuel gmcharlt, ? 13:15 nahuel gmcharlt, around ? 13:15 gmcharlt nahuel: what's up/ 13:16 nahuel héhé need an info 13:16 nahuel what does it needed to allow to limit by "available" items ? 13:16 nahuel "onloan" index no ? 13:17 gmcharlt that would be one part 13:17 gmcharlt also items that are not in transit, although that's not currently indexed 13:17 gmcharlt also items that not not lost or withdrawn 13:18 nahuel ok, but atm I have a zebra error... 13:20 nahuel gmcharlt, this one : 13:20 nahuel 16:15:13-04/08 zebrasrv(5474) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @and jean @and @not @attr "1=_ALLRECORDS" @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8024 @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8002 @attr 4=109 @attr 2=3 0 13:20 nahuel and if I execute the query by hand, I have this error : 13:21 nahuel arf 2s 13:26 nahuel gmcharlt, [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '8024' 13:28 gmcharlt nahuel: ok, to debug, start by checking bib1.att to see the name assigned to Z39.50 use attribute 8024 13:29 nahuel att 8024 onloan 13:29 nahuel and onloan is defined in the record.abs 13:29 nahuel melm 995$n onloan:d,onloan:n,onloan:s 13:29 gmcharlt is items.onloan mapped to a tag/subfield per the MARC frameowrks? 13:30 gmcharlt and specifically 995$n ? 13:30 nahuel should I add onloan:w ? 13:30 nahuel yes it is 13:30 kf are the codes in RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight / StaticHoldsQueueWeight branch codes or LOC codes? 13:30 gmcharlt check the biblioitems.marcxml of one of the records that has an item on loan, and check 13:30 gmcharlt kf: branch codes 13:30 nahuel in marc21 framework onloan index have ":w" index 13:30 gmcharlt nahuel: ok, then doesn't hurt to try adding ":w' 13:30 nahuel :p 13:30 kf thx galen, thoght that but the text is not clear 13:31 kf gmcharlt: perhaps explanation should be changed, it tells: "based on all location codes, or by the location codes specified in..." 13:31 nahuel let's go :) 13:34 gmcharlt kf: sure, file a bug 13:34 kf arg - I know you would say that ;) 13:45 kf @bug 3437 13:45 munin kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3437 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulain@biblibre.com, NEW, ReturnBeforeExpiry system preference needs changes to explanation 13:45 kf oh, wrong 13:46 kf @bug 3501 13:46 munin kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3501 trivial, P5, ---, paul.poulain@biblibre.com, NEW, Change explanation of RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight/StaticHoldsQueueWeight from location code to branch code 14:29 wizzyrea <- is a LL customer and doesn't agree with code embargo. FWIW 14:29 wizzyrea just sayin. 14:30 jdavidb g'morning, wizzyrea! 14:32 nicomo hi wizzyrea 14:32 wizzyrea mornin. 14:32 nicomo we gathered as much from the meeting notes :-) 14:33 wizzyrea oh, I wasn't at the meeting. I got wind of it the same way you guys did 14:33 nicomo ah ok, I was mistaken then 14:33 wizzyrea it's ok :) 14:34 wizzyrea made me feel a bit sick, tbh. 14:35 nahuel gmcharlt, it was this index :) 14:38 gmcharlt nahuel: cool 14:38 nahuel :) 14:41 sekjal well, for better or worse, at least the community has something concrete to deal with, rather than rumours and worries 14:51 nahuel gmcharlt, about the bug 3497 14:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3497 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Don't show copyright but publicationyear 14:51 nahuel gmcharlt, what should be the column title ? 14:51 gmcharlt just Year 14:51 nahuel I have no idea, to be more "generic" 14:52 nahuel ok 14:52 nahuel :) 14:52 nahuel thanks :) 14:52 gmcharlt yw 15:40 wizzyrea actually remarkably quiet today 15:41 rhcl I'm hungry. 15:42 rhcl rhcl goes to eat tomatoes. 15:44 pianohacker Hmm 15:44 pianohacker @lart rhcl for eating tomatoes too early 15:44 munin pianohacker: Error: There are no larts in my database for #koha. 15:50 atz rhcl: come by my place.... i've got 2 gallons of cherry tomatoes in the fridge... 15:52 atz i had this moment a couple years ago where i read the packaging on the seeds and the splash lead description was "Super Prolific!" 15:52 pianohacker Truth in advertising, huh? 15:53 atz and I thought "wow, that's the kind of thing that would seem like a warning. i'm sure they're exaggerating." 15:53 paul_p wizzyrea, pianohacker & atz: good morning to you ! 15:53 pianohacker paul_p: Good evening 15:53 atz but yeah, the clincher is that *i didn't plant ANY of them this year* 15:54 wizzyrea atz: lol!! 15:54 atz they're all leftovers from last year 15:54 wizzyrea garden_tomatoes++ 15:54 atz very jack/beanstalk kind of stuff 15:54 atz hi, paul_p 15:54 wizzyrea mornin' paul_p 16:01 Sharon I can't get my pole beans to grow beans! Not enough sun or something 16:10 atz wizzyrea: you can see my crazy corn and ginourmous sunflowers on facebook 16:12 rhcl tomatoes: (1) I had a fasting lab appointment this morning--I'm powerful hungry. (2) Here at work people bring extra stuff from their gardens for free redistribution (but some people do hold back some of their stuff) (3) Yesterday there were a bunch of tomatoes in the break room (4) Today they are all gone. (5) I'm still hungry. 16:16 hdl hello 16:16 hdl gmcharlt: around ? 16:16 paul_p hi hdl ! 16:16 gmcharlt hi hdl 16:16 paul_p what are you doing on the internet ? 16:18 hdl just a quick note to tell that i won't be able to make it tomorrow. 16:18 hdl I donot bring my laptop along. 16:18 hdl and cyberspace is not open at 12. 16:18 hdl I hope you are well. 16:20 hdl gmcharlt: any hint on reconciliation branch ? 16:20 gmcharlt hdl: poking at it this week; check IRC log for fuller status after tomorrows meeting 16:21 gmcharlt i.e., hoping to get a lot done with it this evening 16:29 hdl ok thx. 16:35 hdl @all ok. time to go back to holidays. 16:35 munin hdl: I suck 16:35 paul_p hdl: bye & amuse toi bien ! 16:35 paul_p (repose toi bien surtout ;-) ) 16:36 hdl will try 17:06 wizzyrea atz I saw them! My god, what have you been feeding your plants!! 17:06 atz water. 17:07 atz i just turned over that little patch of yard this year, so nothing's really grown there before 17:07 atz i think they like it, though. 17:08 wizzyrea hehehe 17:08 wizzyrea our container tomatoes are doing really well, despite the lack of hot weather 17:08 atz my big'uns are all still green 17:09 atz but i think they'll come around 17:10 atz ok, time to go vote 17:11 atz (polling day) 17:44 schuster Owen in? 17:45 schuster munnin owen 17:50 pianohacker @seen owen 17:50 munin pianohacker: owen was last seen in #koha 3 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: * owen has been released. 17:50 pianohacker schuster: Anything we can help you with? 18:04 pianohacker bbl 18:08 schuster No I was going to point out a broken link at Athens... 18:17 chris morning 18:19 jdavidb Hi, chris! 18:20 chris hey there jdavidb, hows the day going? 18:20 jdavidb Pretty quiet, really. Getting ready to migrate a customer from 3.0.x tarball, with some local tinkering, to a HEAD-based git install...so some back-and-forthing there. 18:21 chris *nod* 18:29 brendan morning #koha (a little late on my part) 18:32 chris :) 18:32 atz hah... i just installed firefox 3.5 yesterday, and they want me to upgrade to 3.5.2 today 18:32 chris :) 18:37 sekjal is there an established practice on how to capture the current 'circulation state' when doing a migration to Koha? 18:38 atz : / 18:38 chris sekjal: nope, it pretty much depends entirely what you are migrating from 18:39 sekjal chris: makes sense. I'm thinking a bulk checkout tool would be handy 18:39 chris basically you need to end up with a bunch of rows in the issues table 18:39 sekjal have it take in a list of item and patron barcodes, as well as optional dates, then just run through 18:39 chris *nod* 18:39 atz sekjal: same as offline circ 18:39 atz except for the dates, perhaps 18:40 sekjal atz: yeah, I looked at that. its designed to use existing loan rules to determine when an item is due 18:40 chris probably need 2 dates 18:40 chris issuedate and datedue 18:40 chris (tho you can get away with just date due) 18:40 sekjal if I could capture the number of renewals, that'd be gravy 18:41 chris usually getting the data out is the hard bit 18:41 sekjal My current ILS lets me export lists in CSV with most any bit of data I want. 18:42 chris cool 18:42 sekjal so I'd just need to tell it patron barcode, item barcode, outdate, indate and maybe something else 18:42 sekjal then be sure to check that I only get one value in each of those four columns 18:42 sekjal (patrons and items can have multiple barcodes currently) 18:44 brendan yup -- or get ready to very bored and have some one do it by hand :) 18:44 sekjal hey, brendan. yeah, a certain amount of our migration is going to have to be manual 18:44 brendan heya sekjal 18:45 brendan sorry for the bad joke 18:45 sekjal its cool 18:45 sekjal thinking about solving this problem is better on the brain than solving the 'linked bibs' issue 18:47 atz sekjal: sounds like you have a normalization problem... can patrons get barcodes, then un-get them... then somebody else get that one? 18:53 sekjal no, all the patron's barcodes stay on their record forever 18:54 sekjal though our plan is to only keep the 'latest' barcode, and retire all the others 18:55 sekjal of course, in theory, it would be possible for a patron to be issued the same barcode as someone else; the ILS doesn't prevent that 18:56 sekjal we've found different item records with the same barcodes 19:01 joetho I have wondered what happens with identical barcodes and koha 19:01 joetho what happens when you scan a barcode like that? 19:02 joetho Does a kitten die somewhere? 19:02 sekjal well, at least using bulkmarcimport.pl, the item with the duplicate barcode does not get imported 19:03 sekjal though I'm sure there are other ways to make a duplication happen 19:03 chris the database doesnt let you have 2 items 19:03 joetho so how do you get duplicate item records with the same barcode? 19:03 chris with the same barcode 19:03 chris the barcode column is unique, ... unless you take that constraint off 19:04 chris mysql will throw your duplicate on the floor, and laugh at it 19:04 sekjal our current ILS, however, cares not for such logical considerations 19:04 sekjal it boldly scoffs at unique values 19:04 chris hehe 19:04 joetho So a duplicate barcode would be an anomaly, and probably generate errors of some sort., 19:05 chris it wouldnt exist in koha 19:05 chris so if you put the same barcode on 2 books (physically) 19:05 chris then when you scanned them, they would both say there were the same thing 19:05 joetho <--boldy throws self on floor, laughs uniquely 19:06 chris theres no way for koha to tell that you didnt just scan the same thing twice 19:06 chris until we add the cameras 19:06 chris and robot arms 19:06 chris which smack you for putting duplicate barcodes on items 19:06 sekjal every library needs a koha-bot 19:07 joetho item barcode can be anything up to 15 characters, right? Just has to be unique? 19:07 chris yup 19:07 chris 20 even 19:07 joetho I thought somebody told me 15 max 19:07 chris (is what the database will accept) 19:08 chris | barcode | varchar(20) | YES | UNI | 19:08 joetho Hmmm. Not the first time I have had an artificially low credit limit. 19:08 chris is what my db is telling me 19:16 chris breakfast time 19:43 chris back briefly before i go to catch my bus 19:51 wizzyrea joetho you always lighten up the place 20:32 richard hi 20:43 joetho ha ha ha well wizzy, *MY* screen says "sekjal quit" 20:43 joetho jwagner quit, schuster is away, 20:43 joetho I'm thinkin I know how to clear out a room. 20:44 wizzyrea well first there's the smell... 20:51 chris back 20:52 wizzyrea wb 20:52 chris its blue skies, no wind and the sun is shining 20:52 chris good day 20:54 Jo Good morning all 20:55 chris heya Jo 20:59 Jo howaya 20:59 chris loving the sun 20:59 Jo yeah - it is nice. 21:00 Jo was dreading opening my inbox this morning but its all good. 21:00 chris don't jinx it :) 21:00 Jo hey what NZ time is the Koha meeting on the 5th 21:00 Jo lol 21:00 chris its tonight 21:00 chris at 10pm 21:00 Jo oh thats cool. I can do that! 21:03 chris heya Sharon 21:03 Sharon howdy 21:04 Jo hi Sharon 21:06 joetho lets see - american central time would be... 2:00 pm? 21:07 Sharon joe, it's 4 21:07 Sharon you should know this... ;-) 21:07 joetho oh now you are just yankin my chain 21:07 Sharon I trust my computer clock 21:08 joetho like my brothers telling me that santa wasn't coming til noon that one christmas 21:10 joetho ok ok ok , I looked it up. 21:11 joetho hmmm, no Christmas for me THIS year 22:23 chris awesome 22:23 chris just spent 1.5 hours proving that our code to parse the feed from the stock exchange is working right 22:49 chris heh 22:52 chris_n-2nd hey chris 22:52 chris hey chris_n-2nd, hows things? 22:52 chris hi ruth 22:53 ruth hi there 22:53 chris_n-2nd chris: going in a general forward direction 22:53 chris good to hear :) 22:53 ruth hi 22:54 chris_n-2nd chris: just grinding away at the "labels" rewrite... :-P 22:54 chris rather you than me 22:54 ruth new computer, making sure it works for tomorrow's chat. will try to be here by 6 am. 22:54 chris_n-2nd hehe 22:54 chris timezones are fun 22:54 ruth dpm 22:55 ruth oops. don't know which is worse. 23:03 ruth see you all tomorrow. 23:11 pianohacker1 I would argue, even in 2009, that a 1TB NAS for $160 is unnatural 23:16 chris that is pretty damn cheap 23:18 pianohacker1 New from Iomega on Newegg, even, not open box or bargain basement 23:19 chris wow 23:20 chris i may have to get one delivered to my father in laws house hehe 23:50 chris http://twitter.com/elliotkaye/statuses/3133155535 23:52 chris_n-2nd heh 23:53 chris_n-2nd koha++ 03:18 Amit hi chris, brendan, Jo 03:18 Amit good mrng #koha 03:18 brendan hi amit -- /me goes to cook dinner 03:33 Amit brendan: today is meeting 06:02 kf good morning #koha 06:36 chris hi kf 06:36 kf hi chris 06:41 chris hi laurence and magnusenger 06:41 magnusenger hi chris and everyone 06:41 chris kf: much quieter day on the lists eh 06:45 kf just came into office - forgot to shut down IRC and computer yesterday 06:45 kf ah mailing list... sorry, I m not really awake 06:45 kf yeah, it got quiet 06:57 indradg hi all... a good afternoon from India :) 07:02 nicomo hi all 07:03 nicomo chris: you're around? 07:09 chris mostly 07:09 chris :) 07:14 indradg hi nicomo 07:14 nicomo hi indradg 07:20 kf pootle drives me crazy :( "Ausliehen für" should be "Ausgeliehen an" - but cant find it :( 07:21 chris yeah i use poedit 07:37 chris hi paul_p 07:37 paul_p hi chris 07:38 kf hi paul 07:38 paul_p hi kf 07:39 paul_p and hi to anyone else on this channel 08:17 indradg hi paul_p 08:17 paul_p hi indradg 08:31 Amit hi indradgm, paul_p 08:34 yesan hello 08:35 yesan i would like to know which of the linux flavour is stable for koha 08:35 yesan is anyone out there 08:36 yesan sorry for asking this question 08:36 kf we use ubuntu - but I dont know if its more stable than others 08:36 kf we had no problems so far 08:36 yesan ok 08:37 Amit hi yesan 08:37 yesan anyone else got a different 08:37 yesan answer 08:37 yesan welcome amit 08:38 chris debian lenny 08:38 yesan any more ansers 08:38 yesan thanks lenny 08:38 chris people have installed it on pretty much every distro 08:38 Amit chris: opensuse is not best? 08:38 yesan k 08:39 chris but lenny has almost all (if not all) the perl modules packaged 08:39 yesan Chris??:) 08:39 chris so you can apt-get them all on 08:39 yesan on debian :) 08:39 yesan ?? 08:39 chris yes 08:39 Amit chris: but yast also not sure 08:40 chris a lot of them are not packaged for other distros 08:40 paul_p Amit: I bet suze lack some modules. Some are VERY specific, and are not in most distros 08:41 paul_p some have even be packaged in Debian Lenny because of the Koha dependancy. 08:41 yesan amit 08:41 chris they are only in debian because a debian developer was working on packaging Koha 08:41 paul_p the long term goal being to be able to do apt-get install koha 08:41 Amit paul_p: yes ur right 08:41 yesan i am getting better answers 08:42 yesan that's great 08:42 yesan Chris, thank u 08:42 Amit chris: some one said me on IRC redhat problem with perl i forget her name 08:42 chris karmic koala will be good to, because it will have all the modules packaged for lenny 08:42 chris jaunty is only missing a few 08:43 chris but the real answer is 08:43 chris you should use the distro you know best 08:43 yesan ok 08:43 chris because you will have less problems that way 08:43 Amit chris: this is right 08:44 Amit for ex: Delhi public library uses koha on Centos-5.2 08:45 yesan yes amit 09:08 chris nicomo: do you know any drupal developers in paris? 09:09 nicomo personaly, no 09:09 nicomo but that'd be easy to find 09:10 chris one of my colleagues at work, does the postgres support for drupal 09:10 chris and is off to drupalcon in paris in september 09:11 nicomo we'll be there 09:11 chris so i was gonna give him some ppl to look up .. any biblibrans planning on going? 09:11 nicomo Paul will be 09:11 chris excellent :) 09:12 chris he will probably be the only maori there :) 09:12 nicomo and Jean-André (kivutar) 09:12 nicomo and I might go there for 1 day 09:12 chris so yell out Kia ora 09:12 chris and see who looks ;) 09:12 nicomo I have meetings in Paris during the same week 09:12 chris cool 09:12 nicomo eh eh will do 09:14 paul_p chris: we will probably speak of SOPAC (with another SOPAC guy) 09:14 chris excllent 09:14 slef 45m before meeting? 09:14 chris i will send an email tomorrow to you and him doing introductions :) 09:15 chris yes slef 09:15 slef cool 09:16 slef morning all 09:16 nicomo morning slef 09:16 paul_p chris ++, thanks 09:16 slef has someone sent a last reminder to koha-devel? 09:17 slef I've not read that mailbox in a few days 09:17 chris galen did yesterday 09:17 slef cool, thanks gmcharlt 09:17 gmcharlt hi folks 09:17 kf good morning galen 09:17 chris hi gmcharlt 09:18 slef biab 09:18 kf have to leave soon (my team goes on a boat trip today :) ) - but really interested in git tutorials 09:18 chris ohh boat trip, lucky 09:19 kf around island mainau - hope we will stay in the boats 09:22 Amit hi galen 09:33 joetho . 09:34 chris hi joetho 09:40 paul_p hi gmcharlt. It's very early for you isn't it ? 09:40 gmcharlt paul_p: yes :) 09:41 gmcharlt bb in 10 minutes 09:51 indradg savitra, hi 09:51 savitra hello indradg (indranil?) 09:55 indradg savitra, any plans to conduct any koha sessions in Kolkata? 09:56 savitra yes, in talks with a kolkata college to host the workshop. should know more in a couple of weeks.. 09:56 chris_n-2nd g'morning #koha 09:56 savitra likely in nov. 09:56 paul_p chris_n-2nd: wow... complex nickname ;-) 09:56 chris_n-2nd heh 09:56 chris_n-2nd hi paul 09:57 indradg chris_n-2nd, is it you mr. fellow IPL fan? =) 09:57 paul_p (does it means it's chris nightswonger on his second computer ?) 09:57 chris_n-2nd paul_p 09:57 jransom hi all 09:57 indradg jransom, hiya 09:57 chris_n-2nd paul_p++ 09:58 mason mason waves.... 09:58 Amit heya jransom 09:58 Amit hi mason 09:58 indradg savitra, good to hear that. there is some serious interest in the East, but very few movers 09:58 gmcharlt back 09:58 indradg gmcharlt, wb 09:59 gmcharlt slef: if you don't mind, I'd like to volunteer you as notetaker and updater-of-the-meeting wiki page 09:59 kmkale hi all 09:59 slef gmcharlt: ok, this is all logged by work's server anyway :) 09:59 sekjal morning, everyone! 10:00 gmcharlt slef: thanks :) 10:00 IrmaCalyx Good evening all 10:00 paul_p mmm...11:59 in France, so yes it's still morning 10:00 paul_p oups... nope, it's no more morning now :D 10:00 gmcharlt ok, it's six o'clock EDT - do you know where your Koha Hacker is? 10:00 IrmaCalyx past 8 pm in Sydney 10:00 gmcharlt let's get started 10:00 slef EDT always makes me smile... Eau De Toilette 10:00 Amit 3:35pm in india 10:00 gmcharlt first, let's do a round of intros 10:00 gmcharlt gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, release manager 10:01 dbirmingham I want to be in Sydney 10:01 jdavidb jdavidb eq J. David Bavousett, PTFS 10:01 jransom Joann Ransom. Horowhenua Library Trust. NZ 10:01 jwagner jwagner = Jane Wagner, PTFS 10:01 chris chris = chris cormack, translation manager 10pm here :) 10:01 slef slef = MJ Ray, software.coop 10:01 sekjal sekjal: NYU Health Sciences Libraries 10:01 IrmaCalyx irmacalyx = Irma Birchall from CALYX information essentials 10:02 dbirmingham => David Birmingham, PTFS 10:02 paul_p paul_p = Paul Poulain, France, from BibLibre, reprensenting hdl, ( 3.0 RMaint), that is in vacation 10:02 savitra savitra, Nucsoft OSS labs..hello all 10:02 magnusenger = Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:02 chris_n-2nd chris_n_2nd (&& chris_n) = chris nighswonger, FBC 10:02 Colin Colin pyfs-europe Ji 10:02 kf Katrin Fischer, BSZ - leaving in half an hour, will log chat 10:03 schuster schuster = David Schuster Plano ISD Plano TX 10:03 mason = mason james, new zealand 10:03 kmkale Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation Thane India and www.granthalaya.org 10:03 indradg indradg == Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, Kolkata, India... hi all 10:03 Amit Amit Gupta Nucsoft osslabs 10:04 gmcharlt ok thanks to all attendees, especially those getting up early or staying up late to attend 10:04 gmcharlt the page for this meeting on the wiki is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09aug05 10:05 paul_p (or is hungry because it's lunch time :D ) 10:05 gmcharlt and the agenda items are 10:05 gmcharlt 1. Update on Roadmap to 3.2 10:05 gmcharlt 2. Update on Koha 3.0 Roadmap 10:05 gmcharlt 3. Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting 1 July 2009 10:05 gmcharlt 4. Management of KohaSocialNetworks 10:05 gmcharlt 5. Tutorials for new contributors 10:05 gmcharlt so without further ado 10:05 gmcharlt there has been some craziness recently 10:06 gmcharlt but I will say this, and no more 10:06 gmcharlt I join with everybody in applauding LibLime for their contributions to Koha 10:06 gmcharlt and encourage many more fruitful years of a global collaboration on a great open source ILS 10:07 gmcharlt so moving on to specifics 10:07 gmcharlt thanks to hdl, we're getting closer to having a stabilized new_acq branch ready to push out to head 10:07 gmcharlt I encourage people to check out (or even checkout) the koha-biblibre.git tree hosted on git.koha.org 10:07 gmcharlt and also note the use of a new topic branch for their SOPAC stuff 10:08 gmcharlt which will be another good addition 10:08 chris *nod* 10:08 Wizzyrea_ biblibre++ 10:08 gmcharlt last meeting I said that would would declare feature freeze at the end of the August 10:08 gmcharlt so now, to (re)set a firm date 10:08 paul_p the SOPAC stuff could probably be added quickly on main trunk, as it has strictly no consequences on the rest o fKoha 10:09 paul_p note also that on biblibre branch, there are a LOT of other new features than new acq 10:09 paul_p let me summarize a few of them : 10:09 gmcharlt feature freeze I'm calling for the end of the day, Sunday, 6 September 2009 10:09 gmcharlt paul_p: please wait a second 10:09 paul_p ok 10:09 gmcharlt that will give time for us to discuss any last minute stuff at the next IRC meeting (which will be 2 September) 10:10 gmcharlt before feature freeze 10:10 gmcharlt ok, paul_p, please go ahead 10:10 chris sounds good to me 10:10 paul_p I wanted to point that there are a lot of other new features, not only new_acq. 10:10 paul_p we have counted, that's something like 350 patches 10:10 paul_p 200 for new_acq, 150 for the others new features 10:10 paul_p for example : 10:11 paul_p - move an item from a biblio to another one (in case of a mistake) 10:11 paul_p - merge biblios 10:11 paul_p - add basket facilities to staff (like in OPAC) 10:11 paul_p - enable many export format for biblios 10:11 paul_p - interactive merge of biblios 10:11 schuster *applause* 10:12 paul_p (all of them sponsored by Aix-Marseille universities) 10:12 sekjal paul_p: we were just thinking of an item-moving tool... that's excellent! 10:12 jransom you guys are great - well done 10:12 paul_p and many more, that I don't remember atm 10:12 chris do you think you would be able to do a page listing them? 10:12 kf biblibre++ 10:12 gmcharlt other cool stuff that I hope gets in before feature freeze 10:12 paul_p chris, no, I think we MUST do a page listing them ;-) 10:12 chris paul_p++ 10:12 gmcharlt * labels rewrite by chris_n-2nd 10:13 Wizzyrea_ Aix-Marseille++ 10:13 gmcharlt paul_p: yes, you must, I command it :) 10:13 gmcharlt * sysprefs editor by pianohacker 10:13 mason FYI: i have a recent interactive-merge tool from kapiti-libraries 10:13 paul_p gmcharlt: sir, yes sir ! 10:13 gmcharlt * RFID stuff from slef and gang (yes? pretty-please) 10:14 slef gmcharlt: yes, can do 10:14 jransom we hungry for rfid stuff too 10:14 mason and a bunch of devs/features ready to get commited 10:14 gmcharlt plus bunch o'stuff from PTFS 10:14 mason chris_n, thanks for the labels tidy-up too! 10:14 slef jransom: we're using TRF7960 chips bit I also had it working with another one. What's yours? 10:14 slef s/bit/but 10:14 gmcharlt in conjunction with all of the new stuff, I have a couple requests re bugs 10:14 jransom techlogic 10:15 jransom Chris is our Guru :) 10:15 gmcharlt first, I am calling for a concentrated effort for people to close out any bugs that are actually fixed 10:15 slef ok, will follow up later so hopefully we can make it work with all three :) 10:16 gmcharlt second, I'd like interested people to go through and start marking bugs that are potential blockers and criticals 10:16 gmcharlt the blockers and criticals I'm particularly interested in are: 10:16 gmcharlt * UTF-8 issues 10:16 gmcharlt * circ stuff, for which we really need more automated test cases 10:17 gmcharlt I'd also like to propose a couple bug-squashing sessions 10:17 gmcharlt perhaps one this month if we can fit it in 10:17 gmcharlt and one or two after feature freeze 10:17 chris bug squashing sessions are fun 10:17 paul_p in october, BibLibre plans to organize an internal hackfest/coderun (1 week with all developpers working on koha). 10:18 gmcharlt as far as the roadmap is concerned, obviously with what's going on it's a bit uncertain what will make it into 3.2 as such 10:18 gmcharlt so I'll be decding based on the calendar 10:19 gmcharlt and setting up a post-3.2 branch for pushing any new features submitted after feature freeze 10:19 paul_p gmcharlt: this month, matts is working on new_acq, to improve some things and fix some bugs (full time) 10:19 gmcharlt if we end up with a flurry of submissions after 6 September, I may reconsider the feature freeze, but only if we're looking a bunch of submitted stuff that's complete, not just work in progress 10:20 chris that sounds sensible 10:20 gmcharlt as far as roadmap page is concerned, I'll be editing with my best guesses and information about what will end up in 3.2 10:20 chris hopefully in the next week or 2 we might get a clearer idea of what will make it in 10:20 gmcharlt and although it's a little too soon to discuss in great detail, we'll need to think about the next version, whether it will be a 3.4 or a 4.0 10:21 chris i guess it depends on how much makes it into 3.2 10:21 gmcharlt i.e., 3.4 = more incremental changes, 4.0 = the re-architecting that varous of us have been making noises about for the past year 10:21 slef also whether we want to make any earth-shattering changes 10:21 chris my one point would be 10:22 chris that if we do do a 4.0 10:22 slef maybe during the freeze we should poll users, once they can see the probable featureset of 3.2? 10:22 chris we should be careful to make sure we do plenty of interim releases 10:22 chris good idea slef 10:23 gmcharlt related to features 10:23 gmcharlt I also call for active Koha devs and vendors to publish public git trees with well-organized topic branches 10:23 gmcharlt for their work in progress 10:23 davi the problem is lose customer 10:24 davi due to bad competence behavior 10:24 paul_p davi: lose customer ??? 10:24 gmcharlt I will be very happy, and feel ever-so-slightly like Linus, if I get to merge in at least one new feature in 3.2 via a pull request 10:24 schuster When will you decide on a release manager as that will impact if it were a 3.4/4.0 would it not? 10:24 chris not really 10:25 slef I think choosing 3.4 or 4.0 will impact on the RM choice 10:25 schuster ok 10:25 matts :; 10:25 davi paul_p, say I have a EDIFACT work in progress. I would like to resell it to two or even 3 customers before publishing it 10:25 paul_p schuster: there will be something after 3.2, for sure, so we will need a new RM anyway ;-) 10:25 gmcharlt schuster: I imagine that discussion will start in September, at least formally, but don't imagine a decision being made before October unless somebody jumps in raring to go with a good proposal for 3.4/4.0 10:27 paul_p davi: 1- someone else may publish some EDIFACT work before you release it. 2- that would be much more complex to deal with, from a technical point of view. But all those 2 problems would be yours ! 10:27 gmcharlt given the state of flux, I now don't expect to do a 3.1-alpha tarball until right after feature freeze 10:28 gmcharlt before we move on to 3.0 update from paul_p, questions about 3.2? 10:28 davi paul_p, If I publish my work in progress it would be a lot lot more probable that someone else publish some EDIFACT work before I release 10:28 indradg paul_p++, release-early-release-often 10:28 slef gmcharlt: any idea how soon will you update roadmap3.2? 10:28 chris davi working in secret always causes more problems than it solves 10:29 davi I know chris, but I fear a lot :( 10:29 paul_p davi: that would be good news for you, as you could get benefit too ! 10:29 slef davi: need to structure payment carefully so you get paid for developing, not for supply. But this isn't much of a 3.2 issue. 10:29 gmcharlt slef: I'm giving myself a deadline of 12 August for that 10:29 slef gmcharlt: noted. thanks. 10:29 davi ok slef 10:29 slef no more Qs from me 10:30 gmcharlt ok, on to you paul_p 10:31 gmcharlt btw, hdl++ for releasing 3.0.3 10:31 paul_p hdl finished the 3.0 / head reconciliation. So a 3.0.4 should be ready soon. it includes all bugfixes & some improvements that LibLime already deployed on some customers (thus the name "reconciliation branch". 10:31 schuster Again I might request people to enter enhancements they are "working on" in bugs.koha.org so everyone knows they are being enhanced or can connect with interested parties. 10:32 paul_p with 3.0.4, we can have 3.0.x branch going his way, and head going his way 10:32 paul_p before leaving for vacation hdl called for some tests on 3.0.4 10:33 paul_p dunno if he had some feedback, i don't read his mails ;-) 10:33 chris i have the branch running here 10:33 paul_p he will be back next monday 10:33 chris havent hit any big obvious errors 10:33 paul_p I think he will "string freeze" and ask for translation quite quickly 10:34 paul_p and the translation process should not be too long, as there are not zillions of string changes 10:34 paul_p (my feeling, did not check any numbers) 10:35 chris yeah there arent many changes 10:35 paul_p I don't know when 3.0.4 can be published. But would be good to have it in september (early, or middle ?) 10:36 gmcharlt paul_p: I vote for early 10:36 paul_p me too, but that will depend on translator speed i think 10:36 gmcharlt yep 10:37 chris we need to give translators at least a week, preferably 2 10:37 chris_n-2nd paul_p: the labels rewrite is being done over the 3.0.x code base and so should apply easily to it if you are interested 10:37 chris so we can try to get some of the other languages finished too 10:37 schuster Is there a write up of the label rewrite someplace so some of us know what is involved? 10:38 paul_p chris_n-2nd: in theory, it's interesting. But a lot of new features could be added too. So I think it's better to concentrate on new features for 3.2 10:38 gmcharlt chris_n-2nd: I'd prefer that it go into 3.2 first 10:38 slef schuster: brief discussion on mailing list last week 10:38 paul_p (that's almost the same question jwagner just asked me privatly !!!) 10:38 paul_p 3.2 should not be that far, so I prefer having all the features into it 10:38 jwagner Yes, I haven't been through a major release yet. What would be the target timing for 3.2 release? 10:38 chris_n-2nd schuster: basically we are shooting for the same level of functionality as currently exists for starters 10:39 gmcharlt jwagner: after feature freeze, about a month for intensive bugfixing + translators getting started 10:39 slef jwagner: freeze early September and then it depends how quickly you/we test and fix the remaining bugs 10:39 gmcharlt then a string freeze, and translations finishing up 10:39 gmcharlt so ideally, late October 10:39 chris_n-2nd schuster: minimal new features (like single label printing) will be added and bugfixes on this round 10:40 gmcharlt but as slef says, the bug count will ultimately drive the timing 10:40 slef jwagner: past major releases are not an indicator of future performance, happily. 10:40 jwagner OK, that's good to know for planning. Thanks. 10:40 gmcharlt at any rate, I don't plan to release with open blockers 10:40 gmcharlt anythign more to say about 3.0? 10:41 paul_p gmcharlt: no. 10:41 gmcharlt (back in a minute - time to wake up my wife) 10:41 paul_p but something about 3.2 10:41 schuster Great code...:) 10:42 paul_p if i'm not mistaken, noone at BibLibre has written the script to updatedatabase smoothly for new_acq, for libraries that uses acquisitions in 3.0. So, it basically means : you'll loose all your acquisitions stats. hdl should work on that this month I think/hope 10:42 paul_p s/mistaken/mistaking/ 10:43 jwagner paul_p your new acq does not include EDI, does it? 10:43 gmcharlt back 10:43 nicomo jwagner: no it does not 10:43 gmcharlt paul_p: yeah, make that update work will definitely be a blocker bug for 3.2 10:43 paul_p jwagner: right, there's nothing about EDI (not requested by SAN-OP, that sponsored new_acq) 10:43 jwagner OK, thanks. 10:44 gmcharlt so on to next agenda item 10:44 gmcharlt action items from last meeting 10:44 gmcharlt 1. the welcome message for the Koha mailing list is in fact - thanks to nengard and everybody who worked on drafting it 10:44 gmcharlt 2. slef: any luck munging the wiki edit log for the relicensing? 10:45 gmcharlt hi nengard 10:45 paul_p davi: just FYI => the SAN-OP funding for new_acq was not complete, something like 50%. but it improves global quality of Koha, so we think it will be easier to convince libraries to use it, so more incomes for BibLibre 10:45 nengard hiya - I assume I missed the meeting :( 10:45 paul_p hey... 10:45 paul_p gmcharlt leave to wake up his wife and ... nengard arrives. are those events related ? 10:45 gmcharlt nengard: we're on egenda item #3, so still in time for your #4 and #5 10:45 paul_p :D 10:45 gmcharlt paul_p: umm, no :) 10:45 chris nengard: no koha meeting has ever taken less than 1 hour :) 10:46 davi I know paul_p 10:46 slef gmcharlt: not yet, but hope to start the process between now and next meeting. Seemed a good idea to let it run into the academic year anyway. 10:46 gmcharlt ok 10:46 gmcharlt there was discussion of making loose guidelines for command-line script argument processing 10:46 nengard chris i have been on meetings that are less than an hour :) but glad i made it in time for some of the agenda 10:46 nengard sorry for oversleeping 10:47 gmcharlt somebody made the change to the coding guidlines on the wiki, and as they seem fine and I haven't heard any problems with it, they stand 10:47 gmcharlt interim 3.1 alpha didn't happen, obviously - as I said earlier, will do an alpha tarball after feature freeze 10:48 gmcharlt I still have admin access to bugs.koha.org, so will be working on some of that sometime this month, though it will be a sideline to working on 3.2 itself 10:48 gmcharlt and I think that's it for #3, unless people have questions 10:48 gmcharlt if not, #4 is management of Koha Social Networks 10:48 gmcharlt http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohasocialnetworks 10:49 gmcharlt nengard: that's your agenda item, so please go ahead 10:49 slef gmcharlt: nengard: I added it 10:49 gmcharlt slef: oops, ok, you go ahead then :) 10:49 nengard slef - didn't think it was me :) 10:49 slef basically, what are we doing? Are we allowing almost anyone into all of them? 10:49 slef or should some of them be limited to users and developers? 10:49 nengard here's the link to the ones I knew of: http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/archives/662 10:50 slef nengard: I copied that to the wiki.koha.org and added some more I think 10:50 nengard slef I have been letting anyone join them but admins are only developers and users 10:50 nengard thanks slef!! 10:51 gmcharlt I think it would be a good idea to put the list of the admins for each network on the wiki page 10:51 nengard also slef and I worked on updating the Yahoo Pipe to add some sites I had missed so those are now going out to the kohails twitter users 10:51 slef ok - and when do we remove someone? (spam?) 10:51 nengard gmcharlt I can do that 10:51 slef basically we need to be singing from the same song sheet on this, minimally 10:52 nengard we can remove them for spam - are we getting any on any of the networks - 10:52 gmcharlt slef: to propose a guideline, if somebody's contributions on a particular network are not majority Koha related, they can be removed 10:52 nengard seems that most people who join these things are looking for us to give them info 10:52 gmcharlt obviously, any viagra spam or the like can be shot on sight 10:52 nengard hehe 10:52 slef gmcharlt: ok. What do others think of that? 10:52 chris works for me 10:53 nengard i'm fine with it - except that there are some networks we can't remove people from 10:53 indradg gmcharlt,++ 10:53 nengard if someone uses the koha hashtag on twitter with viagra spam - I can't stop them .... 10:53 slef nengard: can you label which those are? 10:53 Wizzyrea_ fine by me 10:53 nengard slef - twitter is the only one that comes to mind - I will have to look into the others - as i've never had to remove anyone before :) 10:54 slef I think we don't have any yet, but shall we say that networks which are just koha users and developers are "social" and don't have the "majority Koha" requirement? 10:54 nengard slef++ 10:55 slef heh, there's http://identi.ca/peopletag/koha but it doesn't have many members yet 10:55 gmcharlt slef: sounds good to me 10:55 Wizzyrea_ slef++ 10:55 nengard slef will join when meeting is over :) 10:55 slef ok... nengard and slef to coordinate update of the wiki page 10:55 gmcharlt slef: I don't know if it's been an issue for the planet, but if say somebody has a general blog where they talk about Koha 25% of the time and other stuff 75%, that may be a candidate for encourage them to make a topic-specific feed 10:55 slef gmcharlt: yes, we've done that 10:55 gmcharlt ok 10:56 slef both mine and chris's are like that - maybe others are too 10:56 nengard I too have koha specific feeds 10:56 chris i have topic feeds 10:56 gmcharlt good enough 10:56 chris i dont think the planet is using it tho 10:56 gmcharlt anything more on social networks? 10:56 nengard and just as an FYI - for the Pipe I always picked the Koha feed if there was one 10:57 jransom (off to bed - night all) 10:57 nengard nothing more from me on social networks 10:57 paul_p bye jransom. 10:57 nengard sleep tight jransom 10:57 slef nothing from me 10:58 gmcharlt ok, last agenda item, organizing tutorials for new contributors 10:58 nengard that was added by me 10:58 dbirmingham Interested 10:59 davi for Git, just link to http://progit.org/book/ 10:59 nengard davi i learn better when i see things in action 10:59 gmcharlt davi: I think the idea was for something a little more interactive, where a few Koha old hands would show newbies the ropes 10:59 nengard i was thinking of us being able to join a webinar or screensharing session of some sort 10:59 sekjal me, too. plus, we have local Koha practices on top of what Git can do 10:59 davi that book is completely free, updated and a very very basic introduction 10:59 nengard i want to help out, but i have to admin i'm scared I'll mess something up 11:00 gmcharlt heh: http://www.indexdata.com/blog/2009/07/poor-mans-screen-sharing 11:00 nengard so i only do small patches right now 11:00 slef gmcharlt: erm, been doing that for aaages :) 11:00 gmcharlt so it looks like we have a few things to decide 11:01 gmcharlt topic - Git & Koha Git usage seems to be it 11:01 pie hi guys, just thought I'd say hi and say something about new contributors 11:01 nengard I'd add -- topic - file locations and editing the db 11:01 Colin Some folk find http://gitcasts.com/ useful 11:01 pie I mean, I'm happy with Git but with Koha, it's kinda hard where to know where to start :) 11:01 gmcharlt who - I volunteer to help facilitate (and pontificate), but would like another volunteer or two 11:01 sekjal a summary of our coding guidelines would be good as a reminder, as well 11:01 pie I got it up and running once, but wasn't sure what to look at next 11:02 nengard sekjal maybe someone can put that on the wiki - that's something I can read :) 11:02 gmcharlt so topic 2: how to navigate Koha's codebase including file locations 11:02 paul_p jdavidb: sometimes, "half geeks" are easier to understand for "true newbies" 11:02 gmcharlt nengard: what do you mean by editing the DB? 11:02 jdavidb Only to you, nengard. :P 11:02 jwagner I have a Webex account -- we could probably host a session. 11:02 paul_p i've had hard time starting with git, because I found only "high level" tutorials 11:03 nengard gmcharlt sorry distracted - i meant how to edit the codebase when it alters the database - example there are typos in the syspref definitions that I could easily fix if I knew where to go and what needed doing 11:03 jdavidb I've been cobbling together a cookbook-style tutorial here, that might be useful. 11:03 gmcharlt topic 3 - coding database updates 11:03 slef jwagner: isn't webex another blasted java application mislabelled as a webinar? 11:04 paul_p nengard: the syspref problem will be killed by jesse patches (but your core question still relevant) 11:04 slef oh it annoys me 11:04 jwagner slef, dunno what drives it but I've used it successfully for years (training and individual troubleshooting) 11:04 nengard paul_p - yipppppppeeeeeee 11:04 indradg slef, and prolly one has to pay to use webex? 11:04 gmcharlt indradg: hosts do, users do not 11:04 slef if it's called a webinar it should work in a web browser without downloading applications 11:04 indradg gmcharlt, thanks... didnt know that 11:04 slef which usually aren't available and aren't cooperatively-developed 11:04 nengard I mentioned earlier that WebHuddle and DImDim are open source options 11:05 chris i think a lot can be done in an irc session 11:05 nengard but I have never been able to get the VOIP parts of them working 11:05 paul_p i've a mail from him asking how to translate the file he plans to do. It's just a yaml file 11:05 nengard chris - I really need/want to see the screen as the edits are made - it makes all the difference to me 11:05 paul_p so, no more definitions in the DB itself (it was a stupid idea -from me iirc- ) 11:05 chris where someone picks a bug, and fixes it, talking people through what they are doing 11:05 slef IRC with a screen may be the simplest 11:05 chris yep 11:05 paul_p slef++ 11:05 nengard slef++ 11:05 slef could probably even have screen for those who want that and screencast it for those who prefer that 11:06 slef although I'm not up-to-date on screencasting 11:06 joetho jingo 11:06 slef I used x2x which was like 10 years ago 11:06 slef and timbuktu 15 years ago 11:06 Wizzyrea_ joetho: it uses flash, expect protest 11:06 nengard hehe 11:06 slef Wizzyrea_: I don't mind as long as it's not the only route. 11:07 nengard i like the screencasting idea because we can record that and put it up for those who can't attend sessions and for future community members 11:07 nicomo nengard++ 11:07 paul_p nengard++ 11:07 gmcharlt well, I expect we can organize something that uses screen(1) as well as other screencasting options 11:07 paul_p nicomo already did some screencasts 11:07 schuster Nengard ++ 11:07 paul_p (in french, for some customers) 11:07 slef I just feel it's wrong to expect people to use non-FOSS to get started developing FOSS 11:07 paul_p (very very usefull) 11:07 chris slef++ 11:07 nengard paul_p was going to ask where they were - but unfortunatly I don't know French :( 11:08 slef (eating our own dogfood IYKWIM) 11:08 nengard NEKLS has some awesome ones - but they're not about developement 11:08 Wizzyrea_ it's too early for me to parse the intricacies of human social interaction. 11:08 davi instead x2x maybe we could try "Neatx NX server" which is a lot quicker in low connections 11:08 slef gmcharlt: "Sorry, you don't have enough rights to continue. Perhaps you forgot to login?" 11:08 nengard i have some FOSS screencasting apps bookmarked 11:08 slef gmcharlt: from wiki, which is odd because I've been actively editing during the last hour 11:08 nicomo beyond this particular issue with git I think nengard's point really is we need to do a better job helping non-coders help in, right? 11:09 slef nengard: can we pretest them? 11:09 nengard nicomo absolutely 11:09 chris and coders 11:09 paul_p nengard: try http://www.biblibre.com/node/112 for some example (it's about koha, so even if you don't understand french, you should understand the context) 11:09 gmcharlt slef: odd - there's a timeout, but I ubmped that up ages ago 11:09 nengard slef - don't remember - let me get you the links 11:09 Wizzyrea_ well, if you have an army of semi-geeks able to fix typos that makes it easier, right? 11:09 gmcharlt slef: possible glitch in dokuwiki's OpenID support? 11:09 slef gmcharlt: can't be timeout because I've been editing. It's like there's some maximum session length. 11:10 nengard http://delicious.com/nengard/opensource+screencast 11:10 slef gmcharlt: possible. Thought I'd let you know in case you get more reports. 11:10 gmcharlt slef: ok, thanks 11:10 slef nengard: ta 11:10 gmcharlt nicomo, nengard: what it sounds like this is becoming is a need for a series of tutorial sessions 11:11 nengard i'm up for that!! 11:11 gmcharlt possibly as something that's regularly scheduled 11:11 nicomo +1 11:11 gmcharlt monthly or bimonthly, perhaps 11:11 Wizzyrea_ Koha Uni 11:11 nengard love it Wizzyrea_ 11:11 nengard we can start a chanel on blip.tv and/or youtube 11:11 nicomo the Brand: start with a brand ;- 11:11 gmcharlt Wizzyrea_++ 11:11 slef chris: what's "welcome" in maori? 11:12 chris theres a bunch 11:12 chris nau mai 11:12 nicomo not too formal then 11:12 chris haere mai 11:12 davi gmcharlt, I would propose the creation of a mailing list specific to teaching, announce new screencasts, etc. because it is lot hard read all the email in the dev list 11:12 slef chris: "welcome to koha" or "invitation to koha"? 11:13 nengard davi I recommend instead a blog or a rss feed of some sort :) 11:13 chris watea, powhiri, pohiri 11:13 nengard too many mailing lists 11:13 slef blip.tv and youtube both work most of the time 11:13 gmcharlt davi: I think a koha-newbies list is a good idea, but for it to work, enough people have to commit to helping out on it for it to be effective 11:13 davi nengard, yes, something like that ... 11:13 gmcharlt otherwise, it will become ignored 11:13 chris Nau mai ki a Koha 11:13 nengard slef i was thinking of trying to reach out to the world using a popular tool :) we can post them on our own blog too 11:13 chris welcome to koha 11:13 slef Does everyone here know blog.gmane.org makes some of the koha lists available as blogs? 11:13 nengard we can set up a WP blog with multiple users accounts and we can all post our tutorials 11:13 indradg nengard, you can use Istanbul for doing the screencasting... can even do a voiceover 11:14 nengard oooo - can you tell i'm getting excited :) hehe 11:14 dbirmingham davi: I don't believe it would work 11:14 Wizzyrea_ could also do something like the planet 11:14 nengard indradg these all have voice recording too: http://delicious.com/nengard/opensource+screencast 11:14 gmcharlt slef: if we go with the blog route, is your offer to set up WP-MU blogs still open? 11:14 Wizzyrea_ where peeople can add their feeds 11:14 slef (the links to blog.gmane.org have recently gone from koha.org I think) 11:14 Wizzyrea_ for koha tutorial 11:15 slef gmcharlt: yes, I need to do it anyway (our job reference 1123) 11:15 nicomo I like nengard's idea of going where people are: blip.tv or youtube 11:15 joetho I think it is important to link to (and back from) existing sites, like koha.org 11:15 davi dbirmingham, we need some central point to post all the tutorial, etc. material 11:15 slef Wizzyrea_: our MU has FeedWordpress installed 11:15 dbirmingham Looks like reply fail for me. Sorry! 11:16 joetho too many websites ! 11:16 Wizzyrea_ nicomo: me too, fwiw 11:16 nengard hehe 11:16 sekjal so, its sounding like we're looking at asynchronous presentation of these tutorials. Is there still interest in a live presentation? 11:16 sekjal and if so, when? 11:16 schuster Could they not be linked from the development page? 11:16 nengard sekjal 11:16 joetho yes! 11:16 nengard yes 11:16 gmcharlt schuster: umm, I'm *not* in favor of disallowing links for any reason 11:16 kmkale yes please 11:16 slef joetho: you'll need to ask koha.org's editors about that. 11:16 nengard schuster gmcharlt we can put links all over the place 11:17 nengard but i like the idea of a central repository 11:17 schuster Well we are all koha.org editors now if you login are we not? 11:17 slef sekjal: presentation with live Q+A? 11:17 slef schuster: did something change in the last week? 11:17 joetho nengard: yes, centralize 11:17 nengard schuster you are able to add if you login - and edit your own stuff - but not edit other stuff 11:17 sekjal slef: something like that, sure 11:17 schuster i LOVE central repository.. 11:17 gmcharlt that gets recorded for posterity on blip.tv/youtube/and a central Koha Uni blog .. 11:17 schuster Ah sorry... I've been on vacation remember... 11:18 davi nengard++ for central repository, else it would be a nightmare of coordination 11:18 nengard hehe 11:18 slef learn.koha.org :) 11:18 kmkale central repo++ 11:18 nengard okay - in the interest of time i say that I set up a page on the wiki where we can all get the specifics outlined 11:18 Wizzyrea_ there ya go slef 11:18 paul_p slef++ 11:18 joetho I also like the idea of a Delete Czar who can consolidate and streamline what is beginning to become a somewhat bloated web presence. If I may be so bold. 11:18 davi learn.koha.org ++ 11:18 nengard i will post all of our suggestions and unanswered questions 11:18 gmcharlt nengard++ # wiki 11:19 gmcharlt slef++ # learn.koha.org 11:19 schuster Thanks to nengard the documentation guru... 11:19 slef nengard: can you link it from http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09aug05#tutorials_for_new_contributors please? 11:19 chris joetho: the *.koha.org sites? 11:19 nengard absolutely slef 11:20 chris joetho: or someone who goes round the web hackng peoples websites to remove stuff? 11:20 slef ok... if anyone who arrived late wants adding to http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09aug05#attendees please tell me now 11:21 nengard slef i arrived late 11:21 schuster Too much power. 11:21 Wizzyrea_ me too 11:21 gmcharlt chris: well obviously you have to give the czar a big red delete button first 11:21 ruth me also 11:21 dbirmingham davi: I may have been off point. Early in my day for me :-) 11:21 davi slef, add me with my coop name 11:21 slef please tell me "Name, Organisation/Affiliation" 11:21 gmcharlt chris: whether you hook it up to anything is a different question ;) 11:21 chris hehe 11:21 slef so I don't embarrass myself getting them wrong ;-) 11:21 Wizzyrea_ Liz Rea, NEKLS 11:21 davi np dbirmingham 11:22 ruth Ruth Vargas, Howard County Library 11:22 nengard slef: nengard = Nicole Engard / Koha Doc Manager/LibLime 11:22 slef Currently locked by: indradg 11:22 slef indradg: let me know when you're done, please 11:22 davi slef, "Davi Diaz, software.coop" 11:22 indradg slef, done.... was correcting a small typo 11:23 gmcharlt looks like we're winding down - any last minute stuff that anybody wants to bring up in the next two minutes? 11:24 slef ok, anyone else needs to add themselves 11:24 gmcharlt *BONG* 11:24 slef or beg smeone else 11:24 schuster gmcharlt - great work... Now I'm off for more coffee and a shower and off to work! 11:24 gmcharlt thanks everybody for attending 11:24 gmcharlt next meeting will be 2 September - I'll send an email 11:24 nengard thanks all - sorry for being late 11:24 nengard but i'm very excited 11:24 paul_p thanks to everybody waked up early ;-) 11:25 schuster gmcharlt thanks again for being a great RM! 11:25 gmcharlt thanks 11:25 jdavidb Thanks, gmcharlt! *wave* 11:25 schuster paul_p can now go have lunch! 11:25 sekjal thank you, gmcharlt, and everyone else, too! 11:25 indradg thanks gmcharlt 11:25 Amit thanks galen 11:25 Wizzyrea_ ttyl. 30 more minutes of pillow time for me 11:25 Wizzyrea_ :) 11:25 Wizzyrea_ oh man, I want tea 11:25 slef http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09aug05 updated - I'm out of it 11:26 Wizzyrea_ after pilllow time. 11:26 chris heh 11:32 chris and the room clears out 11:32 chris man, i drunk too much coffee to stay awake 11:33 chris now i have to wait for that to wear off 11:33 kmkale can some one here please explain to me how monthely patron fees work? 11:34 chris the what? 11:34 kmkale I mean how to set it up, how to get overdue warning on the circulation screens in staff client and print fee receipts etc 11:34 kmkale monthly library fees 11:35 chris ummm i dont know anything about monthly fees im afraid 11:37 kmkale some libraries ( public ones ) here charge a set amount per month 11:38 joetho is Chris too awake for this? 11:38 kmkale and would like to track fees rcpts, overdues, etc in koha so that non paying patrons are not lent books till dues are cleared etc.. 11:39 chris right overdues, rental fees etc koha does 11:39 chris but i dont think there is any concept of monthly fees 11:39 chris unless its a new feature 11:40 joetho patrons can be "auto-debarred" for such things, which prevents additional checkouts 11:40 indradg kmkale, sounds interesting, can you describe the use-case step-by-step and put it up somewhere? 11:40 kmkale I have gone over the fines etc. That is not fitting the bill here 11:40 kmkale indrag : yes I will 11:41 chris kmkale: yes it sounds like it would need to be a new feature 11:41 indradg chris, this sort of model has place in india, in fact, the way its going, might need integration into micro-payments using mobile phones 11:41 kmkale pl pardon my ignorance 11:41 chris membership fee 11:41 kmkale but dont public libraries in your contry charge any fees? 11:41 chris not time based ones 11:42 chris only overdues 11:42 kmkale chris :one time or recurring? 11:42 chris or rental charges 11:42 idg|lunch bbiab in 10 11:43 chris i dont know of any publics which charge a monthly fee in new zealand 11:43 idg|lunch chris, the model here for some public libs is like paying for cable TV or any utility... small amount every month for lending 11:43 chris right 11:43 kmkale yup 11:43 Amit Delhi public library charge Rs 2 per membership fees 11:43 chris so it would need to be a new feature, specced out and coded :) 11:44 kmkale under granthalaya.org we have started installing koha in public libraries 11:44 kmkale this is a need no one for them 11:44 Amit hi kmkale 11:44 kmkale as these fees are their sustainance 11:44 kmkale hi amit 11:45 chris idg|lunch: here it is still primarily funded by local government taxes 11:45 kmkale the libraries also have to give detailed reports of same to govt and its founding trust bodies 11:46 chris altho there are people who wish it to be more user pays based 11:46 chris i personally think those people are crazy, and that that model disadvantages the people who need the library the most 11:46 chris but i dont rule the world ..... yet 11:47 kmkale Amit DPL does not charge a monthly fee right? 11:47 kmkale :) 11:47 Amit no monthly fee 11:47 Amit dpl charge only one time fee at the time of registration 11:48 kmkale thought so amit. met some of DPL ppl at NCRA 11:48 Amit bu they will also charge for CD/DVD 11:48 Amit i know u meet dpl people at NCRA 11:48 Amit only charge Rs 2 11:49 kmkale Chris: if its to be new feature who is working on similar stuff any idea? 11:49 chris fees stuff? hmmm 11:49 kmkale or who is doing most work on fines and rental charges? 11:49 chris i think biblibre 11:49 kmkale so if I manage to do something I can align it with their work 11:50 kmkale should I aks paul? 11:50 kmkale s/aks/ask 11:50 Amit i think one time fee is good idea as compare to monthly fees 11:50 slef kmkale: search for/file an enhancement bug on bugs.koha.org at some point 11:51 Amit kmkale: http://bugs.koha.org/ 11:51 kmkale slef, amit: yes I have searched bugs and patches 11:52 kmkale I have also gone over existing code relating to fines and rentals etc. could not find anything similar to monthly fees so thought yo ask here 11:52 slef ok - if it's not there, put in an enh bug and it should attract attention from anyone working on it already 11:53 Amit sandeep ask me this question already to me 11:53 kmkale yes amit sandeep and me are working together 11:53 Amit kmkale: what DPL people to say about this 11:53 Amit about fee 11:53 kmkale they are not tracking fees in koha 11:53 Amit they are tracking but only CD/DVD 11:54 Amit fees 11:54 kmkale ya they dont have this monthly fees suff. cd/dvd is rentals 11:54 Amit not monthly fee 11:54 Amit yes CD/DVD is rentals 11:55 Amit wait i will see again to dpl staff login 11:55 kmkale slef: I will do that ( enh bug ) 11:57 tomascohen hi everyone, sorry i'm late 11:57 tomascohen have you already talked about debar fines? 11:58 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09aug05 is the minutes tomascohen 11:58 Amit kmkale: they are manging with Till Reconciliation 11:58 Amit hi tomascohen 11:58 tomascohen thx! 11:59 kmkale Amit: yes but does not solve my problem of monthly fees and overdues thereof 11:59 Amit but monthly fee too complex i think 11:59 chris yes, it is definitely a new feature that someone will have to write 11:59 chris file it as an enhancement as step 1