IRC log for #koha, 2009-07-18

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12:15 vedran is there any Linux plication equivalent to Marc Edit?
12:15 |Lupin| vedran: not as far as I know
12:16 gmcharlt vedran: nothing that covers the whole panapoly
12:16 gmcharlt but you can run MarcEdit on mono
12:16 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: hi
12:16 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt
12:17 vedran gmcharlt: OK, I guess there are some tools that I see on, but I do not know all their features and how they work in practise
12:19 |Lupin| vedran: what do you need to do ?
12:20 vedran |Lupin|: I need to transfer existing library data into Marc21 format
12:20 |Lupin| vedran: and the existing system does not provide an export to marc21 feature ?
12:21 vedran |Lupin|: no, existing system is a sort of very basic application based on ph/mysql
12:22 vedran |Lupin|: I can try to export as csv and then try to generate Marc21
12:22 |Lupin| vedran: why not, yes
12:23 vedran I want to see is there anything in Linux that can do it
12:23 |Lupin| vedran: if you are a bit familiar with perl
12:23 |Lupin| vedran: you may want to use MARC::Record
12:23 |Lupin| vedran: IMO it's wrth learning to use this module, and there is a good tutorial for it
12:23 vedran |Lupin|: I am not perl developer
12:24 |Lupin| vedran: ok
12:24 |Lupin| vedran: then I have no suggesiton, sorry
12:24 vedran |Lupin|: ok, thanks, where I can find documentation for it
12:25 |Lupin| vedran: for what ?
12:25 ebegin vedran, you may have overlooked gmcharlt comment.  You may be able to run MarcEdit on Linux by using mono (
12:25 vedran |Lupin|: Marc::Record
12:26 |Lupin| vedran: perldoc MARC::Doc::Tutorial
12:28 vedran ebegin: thanks
12:28 vedran I have to ho now, bbl
12:45 |Lupin| brb
14:28 Snow_Fox hey RHCL
14:28 Snow_Fox sorry about Kansas being in the wash cycle more comming your way
14:30 rhcl Hey hey
14:30 rhcl We've got decent WX here right now.
14:30 wizzyrea it's byoootiful in Lawrence
14:30 rhcl Sun shining, not too hot (yet)...
14:30 wizzyrea @wunder Lawrence, KS
14:30 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.0°C (9:30 AM CDT on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Rising).
14:31 Snow_Fox its spiffy here
14:32 rhcl Morning (afternoon?) slef
14:43 Snow_Fox hey when i worked fast food, i gave up trying to keep track of what time period i was in and would sometimes go
14:43 Snow_Fox hey good temperal period to ya
14:45 rhcl I am a little confusted...
14:46 jdavidb @wunder bethesda, md
14:46 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in WRC-Tenlytown, Washington, District of Columbia is 28.9°C (10:46 AM EDT on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
14:46 rhcl I used to live in Laurel.
14:46 jdavidb Hotter here than in Kansas?  Wow.
14:46 Snow_Fox hey were def colder
14:46 Snow_Fox kansas is the land of extremes
14:48 jdavidb I would expect that, in the winter...but in the middle of summer?
14:49 Snow_Fox its Kansas :-P
14:57 nicomo magnusenger: around?
15:55 wizzyrea owen: what plugin are you using to display code on your blog?
15:56 owen[…]highlighter-plus/
15:56 owen ...but I guess I should be looking at[…]yntaxhighlighter/
15:57 wizzyrea owen: awesome, thanks
15:57 wizzyrea you are cranking out some sweet posts these days :)
15:57 owen Yeah, I just have to pick some other things to neglect ;)
15:58 gmcharlt owen++
16:00 owen Hey, anyone know of a good example of an OPAC which ties record URLs to a session so they can't be shared?
16:09 owen Hmmm... Maybe not such a common problem anymore?
16:18 pianohacker gmcharlt: Cool, looks like you're home safe
16:18 gmcharlt pianohacker: buried in cats, but safe
16:19 pianohacker owen: You mean like http://.../ ?
16:19 pianohacker Heheh
16:20 gmcharlt pianohacker: no, more like http://..../&sessionid=5482u9pgrjkl0895438​09&second_session_id=2398ewjkvbdsfdsafdsa - that sort of think
16:21 pianohacker Ah, yes. Verso spits out urls like that, I believe
16:21 gmcharlt owen:[…]90717122058&SID=1
16:21 gmcharlt owen: from LC's catalog
16:22 owen That works for me. Will it expire?
16:22 gmcharlt although to be fair, they also have a more reasonably permalink
16:22 gmcharlt[…]26%22&v3=1&CNT=10
16:22 pianohacker[…]9c73-35f924f6828b
17:03 atz owen: yeah, LOC is a punk that way
18:07 wizzyrea owen: sirsi ties catalog searches to a session
18:07 wizzyrea at least it used to
18:15 wizzyrea[…]ame=1247854457986
18:15 wizzyrea lordy
18:25 pianohacker Has anyone else been getting emails from SMECC when sending to the Koha mailing list?
18:25 owen Yes
18:25 owen If enough of us email back and complain maybe they'll turn it off
18:25 pianohacker Ah, good. Where did I put my DDOS botnet...
18:25 pianohacker I'll show them a complaint
18:26 gmcharlt if we don't hear from them in the next day or two, I'm going to ask chris to remove them from the Koha mailing list
18:26 gmcharlt absolutely unacceptable behavior
18:26 pianohacker gmcharlt: Sounds good
18:26 gmcharlt but I'll assume that they're being clueness for now rather than malicious
18:29 pianohacker What's even better is that they include the usual annoying and pointless confidentiality warning, too
18:33 pianohacker brb
18:42 jdavidb gmcharlt:  Another believer in Hanlon's Razor, I see.  :)  Me too.  Cluelessness is far more common than malice.
18:42 gmcharlt indeed
18:59 chris morning
19:00 gmcharlt hi chris
19:00 rhcl hi chris
19:05 wizzyrea Chris, happy weekend
19:09 chris so far so good
19:09 chris kahu and I are watching maisy under blankets on the couch
19:10 rhcl Is maisy cold?
19:11 owen :P
19:11 chris yeah, i needed some comma's in there :)
19:11 chris @wunder wellington, nz
19:11 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
19:11 rhcl Oh, maisy isn't under the blankets.
19:13 chris maisy is currently in a library, and charlie is being loud
19:17 rhcl maisy must not be cereal
19:17 chris yeah, charlie is awesome
19:18 chris big crocodile that laughs all the time
19:18 owen Now see what we did chris? Patches will lie untouched while gmcharlt immerses himself in Maisy mythology
19:18 chris hehe
19:18 chris welcome to our world :)
19:18 gmcharlt well, since my rugrats have four legs apiece, not much worry of that :-P
19:18 owen Actually I'm kinda bummed because Maisy isn't on anymore here. Thatcher's never even seen it
19:19 chris ohhh thats a shame
19:19 chris (we have dvd's)
19:19 chris safer than watching tv
19:19 chris you dont get ambushed by little einsteins
19:20 chris which makes me want to throw things at the tv
19:20 owen How else are the tykes going to get indoctrinated into the white male perspective?
19:21 chris hehe
19:21 chris words of wisdom from kahu just now "I love wheelbarrows!"
19:21 chris i have no idea where that one came from
19:25 chris wizzyrea: you feeling any better?
19:32 chris[…]-All-Blacks-storm
19:33 chris (nz vs australia in rugby tonight... thats all ppl will be talking about for the day)
19:53 chris hi sekjal
19:53 sekjal does anyone in here know what would happen if I tried to import a MARC record with multiple subfield 'o' in the 952 field?
19:53 sekjal hi, chris
19:54 pianohacker Multiple callnumbers? I think Koha would just use the first one
19:54 sekjal that's what I'm hoping
19:54 pianohacker The others _might_ be kept in more_subfields_xml, but I wouldn't count on it
19:54 Snow_Fox im gonna go out on a limb here and say chaos destruction end of days type thing
19:54 Snow_Fox but thena gian
19:54 Snow_Fox i dont know Koha that well
19:55 pianohacker Snow_Fox: How are your Koha escapades going these days?
19:55 Snow_Fox going well enough
19:55 chris i think it will use the first one, and all of them will exist in the xml, until you edit it
19:55 Snow_Fox i think i have a handle of the system basics and how to fiddle with stuff
19:55 chris thats my guess anyway
19:55 Snow_Fox still havnt a clue about MARC and other biblio stuff cause i didnt start life as a Librarian
19:55 Snow_Fox but it goes
19:56 pianohacker sekjal: (01:55:37 PM) chris: i think it will use the first one, and all of them will exist in the xml, until you edit it
19:56 pianohacker I know enough MARC to get around and little enough not to go insane, just through having to work with it
19:57 sekjal sorry for disappearing... using the Mibbit widgit on my iGoogle page.  need to stop that
19:57 chris :)
19:58 chris screen + irssi = never disappearing :)
19:58 sekjal so, Koha will likely grab the first itemcallnumber it sees, and ignore a second
19:58 pianohacker Yup
19:58 sekjal good
19:58 pianohacker The other item subfields should be much the same
19:59 sekjal I'm trying to come up with a way to put our biblio level call numbers into our items, unless an item level call number already exists
20:00 pianohacker sekjal: I _think_ the itemcallnumber system preference will do that for you
20:00 pianohacker Not sure if it will do so on import, YMMV
20:01 sekjal I'll investigate.  I need to do another import with my updated XSLT,
20:02 sekjal and we're also working to standardize all our call numbers into the 090 field
20:02 sekjal (currently mixed 090 and 050)
21:16 wizzyrea chris: I feel less icky than yesterday. But still icky :P
21:16 pianohacker wizzyrea: Ouch. Icky in what way?
21:25 chris hopefully you get some sleep over the weekend
21:29 wizzyrea um... half cold-like and half flu-like
21:29 rhcl Cold Swine Flu?
21:29 wizzyrea oh snap
21:29 wizzyrea probably
21:29 gmcharlt Bacon Flu?
21:29 wizzyrea lol
21:30 wizzyrea mmm bacon
21:30 gmcharlt sorry :)
21:30 gmcharlt get well soon
21:30 wizzyrea nah I like it, that amuses me
21:30 pianohacker If it's Cold Bacon Flu, I have _exactly_ the cure for that:
21:30 wizzyrea but ty, I hope to get well soon
21:30 chris mmm bacon
21:31 chris its brunch day today
21:31 pianohacker Heh
21:31 wizzyrea simply...
21:31 wizzyrea wow
21:32 wizzyrea pianohacker: that is, I have no words
21:32 chris which basically consist of getting everything done so that there is utterly no need to be in town from about 5pm onwards
21:32 chris hehe that is pretty special
21:33 wizzyrea Flaming bacon may become my new favorite curse
21:33 wizzyrea "holy flaming bacon batman!"
21:33 chris hehe thats yet another thing laurel misses from america
21:33 wizzyrea bacon?
21:33 chris the cut of it
21:34 wizzyrea ahh
21:34 chris we dont do the streaky strips, fried until they break
21:34 chris :)
21:34 chris mostly shoulder bacon here
21:34 wizzyrea then, what do you do with the belly?
21:34 pianohacker Bacon's just not the same unless it's ridiculously unhealthy
21:34 wizzyrea pianohacker speaks truth
21:35 wizzyrea i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)
21:35 chris well you can get belly too
21:35 jdavidb Now, how to get Munin to add that line from wizzyrea ...
21:35 wizzyrea but you have to ask for "belly bacon"
21:35 chris shoulder is actually more fatter
21:35 chris yep
21:35 wizzyrea hrm.
21:35 chris well middle bacon
21:35 chris[…]shoulderbacon.asp
21:36 wizzyrea I like pork in general. I think I'd be ok with this
21:36 chris is what is in my fridge
21:36 wizzyrea lol jdavidb
21:37 chris[…]/streakybacon.asp <--- might have to find this next time
21:37 wizzyrea it's really "streaky bacon"
21:37 wizzyrea like, that's the term for it?
21:37 chris @quote add  < wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)
21:37 munin chris: The operation succeeded.  Quote #16 added.
21:37 chris yeah
21:37 chris nzers are kinda literal
21:38 pianohacker Streaky doesn't immediately sound like something I'd want in my food
21:38 pianohacker "Sorry Dad, the ham went all streaky, had to throw it out"
21:38 wizzyrea kind of reminds me of windows
21:38 wizzyrea the glass things, not the OS
21:38 jdavidb @quote add <wizzyrea>"holy flaming bacon batman!"
21:38 munin jdavidb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:38 gmcharlt @help register
21:38 munin gmcharlt: (register <name> <password>) -- Registers <name> with the given password <password> and the current hostmask of the person registering. You shouldn't register twice; if you're not recognized as a user but you've already registered, use the hostmask add command to add another hostmask to your already-registered user, or use the identify command to identify just for a session. This (1 more message)
21:38 gmcharlt @more
21:38 munin gmcharlt: command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel.
21:39 rhcl So how much does a pound (how many grams is that?) of bacon in NZ?
21:39 rhcl cost I mean
21:39 gmcharlt @gcalc 1 lb in grams
21:39 munin gmcharlt: 1 pound = 453.59237 grams
21:39 chris lemme check woolworths online
21:39 rhcl Can you imbed munin commands?
21:40 jdavidb @quote add <wizzyrea> "holy flaming bacon batman!"
21:40 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #17 added.
21:40 jdavidb Better.  :D
21:40 rhcl So how much does a @gcalc 1 lb in grams of bacon cost in NZ?
21:40 rhcl No
21:40 gmcharlt @google price of bacon in NZ
21:40 munin gmcharlt: What's really in your bacon? - Manufacturing - NZ Herald News: <[…]objectid=10576920>; Makin' bacon - features - waikato-times | <[…]68358/Makin-bacon>; JSTOR: Wartime Agriculture in Australia and New Zealand, 1939-50: (2 more messages)
21:40 pianohacker rhcl: Some commands do parse whatever you say (that's bug 2343)
21:40 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2343 major, P3, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, Memberentrygen  should not give a default expiry date
21:40 gmcharlt @more
21:40 munin gmcharlt: <[…]AN%3E2.0.CO%3B2-N>; Francisco Bacon price | The Nile - Compare Prices & Save shopping ...: <[…]302--33892445.htm>; Bacon, Ham and Smallgood Manufacturing in Australia - Industry ...: <[…]uct.aspx?id=78087>; New Zealand 1855 Perkins (1 more message)
21:40 gmcharlt @more
21:40 munin gmcharlt: Bacon Chalon stamp set sells for $380542.00: <>; Bacon, Ham and Smallgood Manufacturing Industry Research in ...: <[…]ult.aspx?indid=92>; In The Sticks - R L Bacon for sale - - New Zealand: <[…]ion-230048262.htm>
21:41 chris right
21:41 pianohacker rhcl: And of course karma (parsing++)
21:41 chris $8.95 for 400grams
21:41 chris of streaky
21:41 rhcl So how much does a '@gcalc 1 lb in grams' of bacon cost in NZ?
21:41 rhcl OH wow.
21:41 wizzyrea wow seriously
21:42 chris @gcalc 8.95 nzd in USD
21:42 munin chris: 8.95 New Zealand dollars = 5.753955 U.S. dollars
21:42 chris there ya go
21:42 pianohacker @gcalc 5.75 * 2.5
21:42 munin pianohacker: 5.75 * 2.5 = 14.37500
21:42 chris yeah we export most of ours
21:42 pianohacker So $14.38 per kg
21:42 rhcl $2.50 for 453.59237 grams here. About 1/2 NZ.
21:43 wizzyrea yea if you get the cheapie stuff (and don't let them lie, there *is* a difference :P)
21:43 chris its the same with fish, we can get a much better price exporting
21:43 chris so it keeps the price up for local
21:43 rhcl If Kohacon is in NZ next year we need to take chris some bacon.
21:43 chris hehe
21:43 chris you wont get that through the airport :)
21:43 wizzyrea doh!
21:44 rhcl Yea, that'll be considered terrorist material-biohazard or something.
21:44 wizzyrea do you ever get tired of answering (dumb) questions about NZ?
21:44 wizzyrea (mostly from me)
21:45 chris
21:45 chris we dont care about terrorists
21:46 chris well not as much as we care about rabies, and TB
21:46 chris :)
21:46 chris liv tyler was famously fined $250 instantly for trying to bring in an apple undeclared
21:47 wizzyrea silly actresses
21:47 rhcl That's fifty pounds of bacon worth in one apple.
21:47 chris hehe
21:47 wizzyrea mmm bacon and apples *drool*
21:48 chris traveling tip, just declare anything you are even slightly unsure of
21:48 wizzyrea and that NZ bacon producer chris sent suggests wrapping prunes in bacon. Best. Idea. Ever.
21:49 rhcl And you do what with that? Bake it?
21:49 Snow_Fox prunes in bacon?
21:49 chris oh yeah, that is good
21:49 wizzyrea I"d guess you'd fry it
21:49 pianohacker Deep fry that sucker
21:49 chris bake it normally
21:49 Snow_Fox ....
21:49 chris but yeah, you americans would probably fry it
21:49 chris and then put peanut butter and chocolate on it
21:49 pianohacker I wonder if you can deep fry bacon
21:49 chris :-)
21:49 Snow_Fox ........
21:49 wizzyrea you can deep fry anything
21:49 wizzyrea :P
21:50 Snow_Fox :\ was hungry but no more
21:50 wizzyrea my hometown has a treat that is rye bread and swedish meatballs, dipped in batter and deep fried
21:50 wizzyrea the "viking on a stick"
21:50 chris lol
21:50 pianohacker Elvis was a fan of peanut butter and bacon sandwiches
21:50 wizzyrea which is both hilarious and slightly unsettling
21:50 pianohacker Dear god
21:50 Snow_Fox Lindsborg?
21:50 wizzyrea yep, in your neighborhood
21:50 wizzyrea :)
21:51 Snow_Fox im so going next time
21:51 Snow_Fox just for viking on a stick
21:51 wizzyrea lol
21:51 chris the nz thing is not deep frying everything, its sticking it into a pie
21:51 wizzyrea ooh, pie
21:51 Snow_Fox just to disturb people with
21:51 Snow_Fox hehe
21:51 wizzyrea lol
21:51 wizzyrea it's too bad they don't give them horns
21:51 wizzyrea I think they onlyl do them at hyllningsfest
21:51 wizzyrea every 2 year
21:51 wizzyrea s
21:52 wizzyrea for tacos :P
21:52 Snow_Fox im looking forward to good fajitas tonight
21:52 wizzyrea ooh also good
21:52 Snow_Fox ie where the onions are nicely carmeled
21:52 wizzyrea with bacon!
21:52 wizzyrea oh wait
21:52 Snow_Fox you and my girl friend would def get along
21:52 rhcl Our local Long John Silver's is selling fish tacos now. Doesn't sound particularly great to me.
21:53 wizzyrea ^.^
21:53 Snow_Fox i noticed it at mine too
21:53 wizzyrea fish tacos (for eating) can be amazing
21:53 wizzyrea but they have got to be fresh
21:53 Snow_Fox pass
21:53 Snow_Fox wizzy stop messign with my appitite
21:53 wizzyrea fajitas!
21:54 wizzyrea my roommate in college used to make water chestnuts, wrapped in bacon, and baked in bbq sauce
21:54 pianohacker Snow_Fox: fresh macaroni and cheese with cheddar, pepperjack, parmesan and mozzarella
21:55 pianohacker Mom made that last night, was pretty much fantastic
21:55 jdavidb Fish tacos are yummy!  I had some when I was in San Diego.  
21:55 Snow_Fox the chicken carbonara from Martinelles here in salina
21:55 wizzyrea the best ones I've had (fish tacos) were in hawaii
21:55 Snow_Fox has bacon fresh choped green onions with ham and smothered with alfrado sauce
21:55 wizzyrea mac and cheese, yum
21:56 wizzyrea carbonara = yummy too
21:56 chris hehe
21:56 rhcl bacon, lettuce and tom sandwich
21:56 wizzyrea OMG
21:56 wizzyrea my favorite thing ever AND i have garden tomatoes!
21:56 wizzyrea must remember to get lettuce...
21:57 wizzyrea what sucks is that in our climate the lettuce is a spring veg and tomatoes are heartily entrenched in summer
21:57 pianohacker rhcl: Homemade ones of those are pretty good
21:57 wizzyrea so it's tough to get garden lettuce and garrden tomatoes at the same time
21:57 pianohacker wizzyrea: Ahh, so you can't localvore a good BLT?
21:57 wizzyrea well you *can*
21:57 wizzyrea but you have to replant your lettuce in early june
21:58 wizzyrea or mid june, or somesuch
21:58 wizzyrea ok, gotta go, peps
21:58 pianohacker bye
21:58 Snow_Fox kk
21:58 wizzyrea ty for the most amusing end to a friday I've had in a while.
21:58 wizzyrea :)
21:58 Snow_Fox BACON!
21:59 pianohacker Hey, my productivity is going to be pretty much busted till dinner, I don't think that's so amusing
21:59 chris cya later
22:02 rhcl Yea, think I'm outta here too...
22:18 gmcharlt exactly why you keep him around? ;)
22:18 jdavidb Her.  Yes, she's good for that sort of thing, gmcharlt.  People ask me why I call her "Minion".  I usually calmly point out that good guys have "Sidekicks."
22:19 gmcharlt gotcha
23:25 pianohacker Good night
04:18 chris afternoon
04:37 thd chris: I am trying to reconfigure a small Koha with a test set of records but Zebra keeps showing me the previous large test set.
04:39 thd s/Zebra/something mysterious/
04:39 chris have you done a -r
04:39 chris to reset
04:39 chris (ie delete and rebuild the indexes)
04:39 thd yes but as a bare command that fails
04:40 chris with what message?
04:40 thd it must be rebuild_zebra -b or -a with -r
04:40 chris yeah thats right
04:40 chris so give it a b :)
04:40 chris -r -b
04:40 chris or -a (if you want to rebuild the authorities)
04:40 thd must the -r come first?
04:40 chris doesnt matter
04:41 thd should not matter
04:41 thd I have done it many times
04:41 chris put a -v there too
04:41 chris so you can see what its doing
04:41 chris and do you run at as the same user who runs the cron job?
04:42 thd I ran as root.
04:42 chris because if you are running it with a user that doesnt have permissions to update the files, they wont be updated
04:42 thd root must have permissions must it not
04:42 thd I have checked and the files are updated
04:42 chris run it with -v
04:42 chris ull see how many its updating that way
04:48 thd -v is an unsupported option in one version but I have found another instance of Koha or Zebra perhaps running on the machine
04:48 chris that would do it, if you are rebuilding one, and another one is being searched
04:50 thd yes, that is it.  I have been testing the wrong database
04:50 thd :)
04:53 thd I should have looked more carefully at which Koha instance was being served by Apache.
05:04 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai
05:04 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0°C (10:10 AM IST on July 18, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
05:08 chris pretty warm
08:34 |Lupin| hi all
08:41 chris hi |Lupin|
08:43 |Lupin| hello chris !
08:43 |Lupin| how are you ?
08:43 chris good thanks
08:46 |Lupin| great
08:49 |Lupin| is there something special to tell to cpan so that it installs modules in the user's home directory rather than system-wide ?
08:51 chris yes
08:51 chris when configuring it
08:51 chris you can give it a prefix to install them in
08:52 chris[…]e&kbarticleid=132
08:52 |Lupin| chris: ah I didn't do that, thanks.
08:56 |Lupin| it's strange: step 1 is okay, so I jumped to step 3, which is installing modules, but this didn't work.
08:57 chris you need to do step 2, the configure part of it
08:57 chris you can go
08:57 chris cpan -e shell
08:57 chris and then restart the configuration
08:58 |Lupin| chris: I did a cpan initialize and this seemed to work...
08:58 |Lupin| chris: however I selected automatic configuration. Should I rather use a manual configuration ?
08:58 chris thats right
08:59 |Lupin| chris: ok so let's redo that :)
08:59 chris you need to do it manually and when you get to the question about parameters for Makefile.PL
08:59 chris put in something similair to that webpage
09:06 |Lupin| oho
09:06 |Lupin| just pressed enter to the question...
09:07 chris whoops
09:07 chris have to get to the end and start again
09:07 |Lupin| guess there is no way to go to previous question :)
09:07 |Lupin| oh maybe it's not too late actually
09:08 |Lupin| the question for which I pressed enter had 'site' as a default
09:08 chris right
09:09 |Lupin| oh no it's too late actually
09:09 |Lupin| now it's asking for the parameters for make
09:09 |Lupin| make_arg
09:10 chris yeah its the Makefile.PL one you want
09:10 |Lupin| Parameters for the 'perl Makefile.PL' command? [INSTALLDIRS=site] was the previous one
09:10 |Lupin| I think it's there I had to give the right parameters... will have to restart :)
09:11 |Lupin| actually I think it is possible to reconfigure just one variable...
09:21 chris yes thats right
09:21 chris i cant remember the syntax tho
09:21 chris right, nz just beat australia .. now i can watch prince caspian and relax :)
09:22 |Lupin| :-)))
09:22 |Lupin| is it rugby you are talking about ?
09:22 chris yes
09:23 |Lupin| k :)
09:28 |Lupin| chris: will there be something special to do at koha install time so that the fresshly installed perl modules (in home dir) are found ?
09:29 chris you probably need to set PERL5LIB before running perl Makefile.PL so it looks in the right place
09:31 |Lupin| chris: ok, done already. And with that, even when the script will be run by apache, it will know where to look ?
09:31 chris nope
09:31 chris you will need to edit the koha-httpd.conf
09:32 chris to make sure the PERL5LIB there includes where the koha modules are, plus where you installed the modules via cpan
09:42 |Lupin| chris: okay, thanks a lot
09:42 chris np
10:37 martinmorris hello, i'm having trouble indexing with zebra, anybody who can assist?
10:43 |Lupin| martinmorris: not sure, but e can try
10:43 |Lupin| martinmorris: what is your problem exactly ?
10:43 martinmorris actually i might have sorted it, although i'm not sure my export directories are set up entirely correctly
10:43 |Lupin| martinmorris: ok
10:43 martinmorris can you say what the permissions should be on my /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios and authorities directories?
10:44 |Lupin| martinmorris: I'd say they have to be readable by the user which is running apache
10:44 martinmorris ah
10:44 martinmorris and the koha user as well?
10:45 |Lupin| martinmorris: and also if you have a cron job for the indexing the user running this job must be able to write there, I assume
10:45 martinmorris so that would be a cron job running
10:45 |Lupin| martinmorris: by koha user you mean the one that logs in to the staff client ?
10:45 martinmorris no, the koha unix user i had to set up during installation
10:46 |Lupin| martinmorris: ah I think this user is a mysql user used to connect to the database, so I think this user does not need special permissions...
10:46 martinmorris ok
10:46 |Lupin| martinmorris: I'm not even sure there is really a need to create a _system_ koha user
10:46 |Lupin| I thought it's just a database user...
10:47 martinmorris well i certainly have that too
10:47 |Lupin| martinmorris: I mean... you may be able to remove the koha system user because it is not necessary
10:47 martinmorris well, if it's doing no harm... :)
10:47 |Lupin| unless you have been asked to create it by a documentation...
10:48 martinmorris i seem to remember creating it during the installatino
10:48 martinmorris doesn't matter
10:48 martinmorris i'm all a bit rusty, i did this last year but now coming back to it all
10:48 |Lupin| martinmorris: no it can't harm, so you can probably keep it at least until your koha installation works
10:48 |Lupin| martinmorris: in the long run, though, I'd say it's not a very good idea to have useless system accouns
10:49 |Lupin| martinmorris: k
10:49 martinmorris brb
10:49 |Lupin| why not starting with a clean system then ? i.e. removing everything you did before and just follow the whole procedure again...
11:06 martinmorris it's ok, it's working fine :)
11:06 martinmorris and probably will remove the koha account but will check through the documentation first just in case
11:16 |Lupin| martinmorris: looks wise, yeah
11:17 |Lupin| see you all
11:17 |Lupin| bye

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