Time Nick Message 12:15 vedran is there any Linux plication equivalent to Marc Edit? 12:15 |Lupin| vedran: not as far as I know 12:16 gmcharlt vedran: nothing that covers the whole panapoly 12:16 gmcharlt but you can run MarcEdit on mono 12:16 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: hi 12:16 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 12:17 vedran gmcharlt: OK, I guess there are some tools that I see on sourceforge.net, but I do not know all their features and how they work in practise 12:19 |Lupin| vedran: what do you need to do ? 12:20 vedran |Lupin|: I need to transfer existing library data into Marc21 format 12:20 |Lupin| vedran: and the existing system does not provide an export to marc21 feature ? 12:21 vedran |Lupin|: no, existing system is a sort of very basic application based on ph/mysql 12:22 vedran |Lupin|: I can try to export as csv and then try to generate Marc21 12:22 |Lupin| vedran: why not, yes 12:23 vedran I want to see is there anything in Linux that can do it 12:23 |Lupin| vedran: if you are a bit familiar with perl 12:23 |Lupin| vedran: you may want to use MARC::Record 12:23 |Lupin| vedran: IMO it's wrth learning to use this module, and there is a good tutorial for it 12:23 vedran |Lupin|: I am not perl developer 12:24 |Lupin| vedran: ok 12:24 |Lupin| vedran: then I have no suggesiton, sorry 12:24 vedran |Lupin|: ok, thanks, where I can find documentation for it 12:25 |Lupin| vedran: for what ? 12:25 ebegin vedran, you may have overlooked gmcharlt comment. You may be able to run MarcEdit on Linux by using mono (http://mono-project.com/) 12:25 vedran |Lupin|: Marc::Record 12:26 |Lupin| vedran: perldoc MARC::Doc::Tutorial 12:28 vedran ebegin: thanks 12:28 vedran I have to ho now, bbl 12:45 |Lupin| brb 14:28 Snow_Fox hey RHCL 14:28 Snow_Fox sorry about Kansas being in the wash cycle more comming your way 14:30 rhcl Hey hey 14:30 rhcl We've got decent WX here right now. 14:30 wizzyrea it's byoootiful in Lawrence 14:30 rhcl Sun shining, not too hot (yet)... 14:30 wizzyrea @wunder Lawrence, KS 14:30 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.0°C (9:30 AM CDT on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Rising). 14:31 Snow_Fox its spiffy here 14:32 rhcl Morning (afternoon?) slef 14:43 Snow_Fox hey when i worked fast food, i gave up trying to keep track of what time period i was in and would sometimes go 14:43 Snow_Fox hey good temperal period to ya 14:45 rhcl I am a little confusted... 14:46 jdavidb @wunder bethesda, md 14:46 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in WRC-Tenlytown, Washington, District of Columbia is 28.9°C (10:46 AM EDT on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). 14:46 rhcl I used to live in Laurel. 14:46 jdavidb Hotter here than in Kansas? Wow. 14:46 Snow_Fox hey were def colder 14:46 Snow_Fox kansas is the land of extremes 14:48 jdavidb I would expect that, in the winter...but in the middle of summer? 14:49 Snow_Fox its Kansas :-P 14:57 nicomo magnusenger: around? 15:55 wizzyrea owen: what plugin are you using to display code on your blog? 15:56 owen http://www.beyondcoding.com/2007/12/16/release-wordpress-plugin-syntaxhighlighter-plus/ 15:56 owen ...but I guess I should be looking at http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/syntaxhighlighter/ 15:57 wizzyrea owen: awesome, thanks 15:57 wizzyrea you are cranking out some sweet posts these days :) 15:57 owen Yeah, I just have to pick some other things to neglect ;) 15:58 gmcharlt owen++ 16:00 owen Hey, anyone know of a good example of an OPAC which ties record URLs to a session so they can't be shared? 16:09 owen Hmmm... Maybe not such a common problem anymore? 16:18 pianohacker gmcharlt: Cool, looks like you're home safe 16:18 gmcharlt pianohacker: buried in cats, but safe 16:19 pianohacker owen: You mean like http://.../opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=800 ? 16:19 pianohacker Heheh 16:20 gmcharlt pianohacker: no, more like http://..../&sessionid=5482u9pgrjkl089543809&second_session_id=2398ewjkvbdsfdsafdsa - that sort of think 16:21 pianohacker Ah, yes. Verso spits out urls like that, I believe 16:21 gmcharlt owen: http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=4&ti=1,4&Search%5FArg=amish&Search%5FCode=GKEY%5E%2A&CNT=100&type=quick&PID=_jD5fc5SzHHxFQYO6XhcsJ0qY&SEQ=20090717122058&SID=1 16:21 gmcharlt owen: from LC's catalog 16:22 owen That works for me. Will it expire? 16:22 gmcharlt although to be fair, they also have a more reasonably permalink 16:22 gmcharlt http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&CMD=lccn%2297071926%22&v3=1&CNT=10 16:22 pianohacker http://nexus-verso.auto-graphics.com/agent/FullDisplayPage.asp?myses=209585&k=2944&w=a&s=f&cuid=nexus&cusrvr=helen&rn=0&sid=22925637-276d-434f-9c73-35f924f6828b 17:03 atz owen: yeah, LOC is a punk that way 18:07 wizzyrea owen: sirsi ties catalog searches to a session 18:07 wizzyrea at least it used to 18:15 wizzyrea http://kcaqua.kclibrary.org/result.ashx?inlibrary=false&noext=false&debug=&lastquery=&lvq=&lsi=&uilang=en&searchmode=assoc&hardsort=&skin=hybrid-kcpl&rctx=&c_over=1&branch=&ref=&curpage=1&concept=twilight&q=twilight&si=user&cs=user&cmd=find#&frame=1247854457986 18:15 wizzyrea lordy 18:25 pianohacker Has anyone else been getting emails from SMECC when sending to the Koha mailing list? 18:25 owen Yes 18:25 owen If enough of us email back and complain maybe they'll turn it off 18:25 pianohacker Ah, good. Where did I put my DDOS botnet... 18:25 pianohacker I'll show them a complaint 18:26 gmcharlt if we don't hear from them in the next day or two, I'm going to ask chris to remove them from the Koha mailing list 18:26 gmcharlt absolutely unacceptable behavior 18:26 pianohacker gmcharlt: Sounds good 18:26 gmcharlt but I'll assume that they're being clueness for now rather than malicious 18:29 pianohacker What's even better is that they include the usual annoying and pointless confidentiality warning, too 18:33 pianohacker brb 18:42 jdavidb gmcharlt: Another believer in Hanlon's Razor, I see. :) Me too. Cluelessness is far more common than malice. 18:42 gmcharlt indeed 18:59 chris morning 19:00 gmcharlt hi chris 19:00 rhcl hi chris 19:05 wizzyrea Chris, happy weekend 19:09 chris so far so good 19:09 chris kahu and I are watching maisy under blankets on the couch 19:10 rhcl Is maisy cold? 19:11 owen :P 19:11 chris yeah, i needed some comma's in there :) 19:11 chris @wunder wellington, nz 19:11 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 19:11 rhcl Oh, maisy isn't under the blankets. 19:13 chris maisy is currently in a library, and charlie is being loud 19:17 rhcl maisy must not be cereal 19:17 chris yeah, charlie is awesome 19:18 chris big crocodile that laughs all the time 19:18 owen Now see what we did chris? Patches will lie untouched while gmcharlt immerses himself in Maisy mythology 19:18 chris hehe 19:18 chris welcome to our world :) 19:18 gmcharlt well, since my rugrats have four legs apiece, not much worry of that :-P 19:18 owen Actually I'm kinda bummed because Maisy isn't on anymore here. Thatcher's never even seen it 19:19 chris ohhh thats a shame 19:19 chris (we have dvd's) 19:19 chris safer than watching tv 19:19 chris you dont get ambushed by little einsteins 19:20 chris which makes me want to throw things at the tv 19:20 owen How else are the tykes going to get indoctrinated into the white male perspective? 19:21 chris hehe 19:21 chris words of wisdom from kahu just now "I love wheelbarrows!" 19:21 chris i have no idea where that one came from 19:25 chris wizzyrea: you feeling any better? 19:32 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2604943/Calm-family-time-before-All-Blacks-storm 19:33 chris (nz vs australia in rugby tonight... thats all ppl will be talking about for the day) 19:53 chris hi sekjal 19:53 sekjal does anyone in here know what would happen if I tried to import a MARC record with multiple subfield 'o' in the 952 field? 19:53 sekjal hi, chris 19:54 pianohacker Multiple callnumbers? I think Koha would just use the first one 19:54 sekjal that's what I'm hoping 19:54 pianohacker The others _might_ be kept in more_subfields_xml, but I wouldn't count on it 19:54 Snow_Fox im gonna go out on a limb here and say chaos destruction end of days type thing 19:54 Snow_Fox but thena gian 19:54 Snow_Fox i dont know Koha that well 19:55 pianohacker Snow_Fox: How are your Koha escapades going these days? 19:55 Snow_Fox going well enough 19:55 chris i think it will use the first one, and all of them will exist in the xml, until you edit it 19:55 Snow_Fox i think i have a handle of the system basics and how to fiddle with stuff 19:55 chris thats my guess anyway 19:55 Snow_Fox still havnt a clue about MARC and other biblio stuff cause i didnt start life as a Librarian 19:55 Snow_Fox but it goes 19:56 pianohacker sekjal: (01:55:37 PM) chris: i think it will use the first one, and all of them will exist in the xml, until you edit it 19:56 pianohacker I know enough MARC to get around and little enough not to go insane, just through having to work with it 19:57 sekjal sorry for disappearing... using the Mibbit widgit on my iGoogle page. need to stop that 19:57 chris :) 19:58 chris screen + irssi = never disappearing :) 19:58 sekjal so, Koha will likely grab the first itemcallnumber it sees, and ignore a second 19:58 pianohacker Yup 19:58 sekjal good 19:58 pianohacker The other item subfields should be much the same 19:59 sekjal I'm trying to come up with a way to put our biblio level call numbers into our items, unless an item level call number already exists 20:00 pianohacker sekjal: I _think_ the itemcallnumber system preference will do that for you 20:00 pianohacker Not sure if it will do so on import, YMMV 20:01 sekjal I'll investigate. I need to do another import with my updated XSLT, 20:02 sekjal and we're also working to standardize all our call numbers into the 090 field 20:02 sekjal (currently mixed 090 and 050) 21:16 wizzyrea chris: I feel less icky than yesterday. But still icky :P 21:16 pianohacker wizzyrea: Ouch. Icky in what way? 21:25 chris hopefully you get some sleep over the weekend 21:29 wizzyrea um... half cold-like and half flu-like 21:29 rhcl Cold Swine Flu? 21:29 wizzyrea oh snap 21:29 wizzyrea probably 21:29 gmcharlt Bacon Flu? 21:29 wizzyrea lol 21:30 wizzyrea mmm bacon 21:30 gmcharlt sorry :) 21:30 gmcharlt get well soon 21:30 wizzyrea nah I like it, that amuses me 21:30 pianohacker If it's Cold Bacon Flu, I have _exactly_ the cure for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9dskxN10N0 21:30 wizzyrea but ty, I hope to get well soon 21:30 chris mmm bacon 21:31 chris its brunch day today 21:31 pianohacker Heh 21:31 wizzyrea ...wow... simply... 21:31 wizzyrea wow 21:32 wizzyrea pianohacker: that is, I have no words 21:32 chris which basically consist of getting everything done so that there is utterly no need to be in town from about 5pm onwards 21:32 chris hehe that is pretty special 21:33 wizzyrea Flaming bacon may become my new favorite curse 21:33 wizzyrea "holy flaming bacon batman!" 21:33 chris hehe thats yet another thing laurel misses from america 21:33 wizzyrea bacon? 21:33 chris the cut of it 21:34 wizzyrea ahh 21:34 chris we dont do the streaky strips, fried until they break 21:34 chris :) 21:34 chris mostly shoulder bacon here 21:34 wizzyrea then, what do you do with the belly? 21:34 pianohacker Bacon's just not the same unless it's ridiculously unhealthy 21:34 wizzyrea pianohacker speaks truth 21:35 wizzyrea i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think) 21:35 chris well you can get belly too 21:35 jdavidb Now, how to get Munin to add that line from wizzyrea ... 21:35 wizzyrea but you have to ask for "belly bacon" 21:35 chris shoulder is actually more fatter 21:35 chris yep 21:35 wizzyrea hrm. 21:35 chris well middle bacon 21:35 chris http://www.freedomfarms.co.nz/products/shoulderbacon.asp 21:36 wizzyrea I like pork in general. I think I'd be ok with this 21:36 chris is what is in my fridge 21:36 wizzyrea lol jdavidb 21:37 chris http://www.freedomfarms.co.nz/products/streakybacon.asp <--- might have to find this next time 21:37 wizzyrea it's really "streaky bacon" 21:37 wizzyrea like, that's the term for it? 21:37 chris @quote add < wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think) 21:37 munin chris: The operation succeeded. Quote #16 added. 21:37 chris yeah 21:37 chris nzers are kinda literal 21:38 pianohacker Streaky doesn't immediately sound like something I'd want in my food 21:38 pianohacker "Sorry Dad, the ham went all streaky, had to throw it out" 21:38 wizzyrea kind of reminds me of windows 21:38 wizzyrea the glass things, not the OS 21:38 jdavidb @quote add <wizzyrea> "holy flaming bacon batman!" 21:38 munin jdavidb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:38 gmcharlt @help register 21:38 munin gmcharlt: (register <name> <password>) -- Registers <name> with the given password <password> and the current hostmask of the person registering. You shouldn't register twice; if you're not recognized as a user but you've already registered, use the hostmask add command to add another hostmask to your already-registered user, or use the identify command to identify just for a session. This (1 more message) 21:38 gmcharlt @more 21:38 munin gmcharlt: command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel. 21:39 rhcl So how much does a pound (how many grams is that?) of bacon in NZ? 21:39 rhcl cost I mean 21:39 gmcharlt @gcalc 1 lb in grams 21:39 munin gmcharlt: 1 pound = 453.59237 grams 21:39 chris lemme check woolworths online 21:39 rhcl Can you imbed munin commands? 21:40 jdavidb @quote add <wizzyrea> "holy flaming bacon batman!" 21:40 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #17 added. 21:40 jdavidb Better. :D 21:40 rhcl So how much does a @gcalc 1 lb in grams of bacon cost in NZ? 21:40 rhcl No 21:40 gmcharlt @google price of bacon in NZ 21:40 munin gmcharlt: What's really in your bacon? - Manufacturing - NZ Herald News: <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/manufacturing/news/article.cfm?c_id=60&objectid=10576920>; Makin' bacon - features - waikato-times | Stuff.co.nz: <http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/features/2468358/Makin-bacon>; JSTOR: Wartime Agriculture in Australia and New Zealand, 1939-50: (2 more messages) 21:40 pianohacker rhcl: Some commands do parse whatever you say (that's bug 2343) 21:40 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2343 major, P3, ---, joe.atzberger@liblime.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Memberentrygen should not give a default expiry date 21:40 gmcharlt @more 21:40 munin gmcharlt: <http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-3808(195508)63%3A4%3C352%3AWAIAAN%3E2.0.CO%3B2-N>; Francisco Bacon price | The Nile - Compare Prices & Save shopping ...: <http://www.getprice.com.au/Francisco-Bacon-Gpnc_302--33892445.htm>; Bacon, Ham and Smallgood Manufacturing in Australia - Industry ...: <http://www.just-food.com/store/product.aspx?id=78087>; New Zealand 1855 Perkins (1 more message) 21:40 gmcharlt @more 21:40 munin gmcharlt: Bacon Chalon stamp set sells for $380542.00: <http://www.glenstephens.com/snapril06.html>; Bacon, Ham and Smallgood Manufacturing Industry Research in ...: <http://www.ibisworld.com.au/industry/default.aspx?indid=92>; In The Sticks - R L Bacon for sale - TradeMe.co.nz - New Zealand: <http://www.trademe.co.nz/Books/Fiction-literature/New-Zealand/Author-AC/auction-230048262.htm> 21:41 chris right 21:41 pianohacker rhcl: And of course karma (parsing++) 21:41 chris $8.95 for 400grams 21:41 chris of streaky 21:41 rhcl So how much does a '@gcalc 1 lb in grams' of bacon cost in NZ? 21:41 rhcl OH wow. 21:41 wizzyrea wow seriously 21:42 chris @gcalc 8.95 nzd in USD 21:42 munin chris: 8.95 New Zealand dollars = 5.753955 U.S. dollars 21:42 chris there ya go 21:42 pianohacker @gcalc 5.75 * 2.5 21:42 munin pianohacker: 5.75 * 2.5 = 14.37500 21:42 chris yeah we export most of ours 21:42 pianohacker So $14.38 per kg 21:42 rhcl $2.50 for 453.59237 grams here. About 1/2 NZ. 21:43 wizzyrea yea if you get the cheapie stuff (and don't let them lie, there *is* a difference :P) 21:43 chris its the same with fish, we can get a much better price exporting 21:43 chris so it keeps the price up for local 21:43 rhcl If Kohacon is in NZ next year we need to take chris some bacon. 21:43 chris hehe 21:43 chris you wont get that through the airport :) 21:43 wizzyrea doh! 21:44 rhcl Yea, that'll be considered terrorist material-biohazard or something. 21:44 wizzyrea do you ever get tired of answering (dumb) questions about NZ? 21:44 wizzyrea (mostly from me) 21:45 chris http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/enter/declare 21:45 chris we dont care about terrorists 21:46 chris well not as much as we care about rabies, and TB 21:46 chris :) 21:46 chris liv tyler was famously fined $250 instantly for trying to bring in an apple undeclared 21:47 wizzyrea silly actresses 21:47 rhcl That's fifty pounds of bacon worth in one apple. 21:47 chris hehe 21:47 wizzyrea mmm bacon and apples *drool* 21:48 chris traveling tip, just declare anything you are even slightly unsure of 21:48 wizzyrea and that NZ bacon producer chris sent suggests wrapping prunes in bacon. Best. Idea. Ever. 21:49 rhcl And you do what with that? Bake it? 21:49 Snow_Fox prunes in bacon? 21:49 chris oh yeah, that is good 21:49 wizzyrea I"d guess you'd fry it 21:49 pianohacker Deep fry that sucker 21:49 chris bake it normally 21:49 Snow_Fox .... 21:49 chris but yeah, you americans would probably fry it 21:49 chris and then put peanut butter and chocolate on it 21:49 pianohacker I wonder if you can deep fry bacon 21:49 chris :-) 21:49 Snow_Fox ........ 21:49 wizzyrea you can deep fry anything 21:49 wizzyrea :P 21:50 Snow_Fox :\ was hungry but no more 21:50 wizzyrea my hometown has a treat that is rye bread and swedish meatballs, dipped in batter and deep fried 21:50 wizzyrea the "viking on a stick" 21:50 chris lol 21:50 pianohacker Elvis was a fan of peanut butter and bacon sandwiches 21:50 wizzyrea which is both hilarious and slightly unsettling 21:50 pianohacker Dear god 21:50 Snow_Fox Lindsborg? 21:50 wizzyrea yep, in your neighborhood 21:50 wizzyrea :) 21:51 Snow_Fox im so going next time 21:51 Snow_Fox just for viking on a stick 21:51 wizzyrea lol 21:51 chris the nz thing is not deep frying everything, its sticking it into a pie 21:51 wizzyrea ooh, pie 21:51 Snow_Fox just to disturb people with 21:51 Snow_Fox hehe 21:51 wizzyrea lol 21:51 wizzyrea it's too bad they don't give them horns 21:51 wizzyrea I think they onlyl do them at hyllningsfest 21:51 wizzyrea every 2 year 21:51 wizzyrea s 21:52 wizzyrea for tacos :P 21:52 Snow_Fox im looking forward to good fajitas tonight 21:52 wizzyrea ooh also good 21:52 Snow_Fox ie where the onions are nicely carmeled 21:52 wizzyrea with bacon! 21:52 wizzyrea oh wait 21:52 Snow_Fox you and my girl friend would def get along 21:52 rhcl Our local Long John Silver's is selling fish tacos now. Doesn't sound particularly great to me. 21:53 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:53 Snow_Fox i noticed it at mine too 21:53 wizzyrea fish tacos (for eating) can be amazing 21:53 wizzyrea but they have got to be fresh 21:53 Snow_Fox pass 21:53 Snow_Fox wizzy stop messign with my appitite 21:53 wizzyrea fajitas! 21:54 wizzyrea my roommate in college used to make water chestnuts, wrapped in bacon, and baked in bbq sauce 21:54 pianohacker Snow_Fox: fresh macaroni and cheese with cheddar, pepperjack, parmesan and mozzarella 21:55 pianohacker Mom made that last night, was pretty much fantastic 21:55 jdavidb Fish tacos are yummy! I had some when I was in San Diego. 21:55 Snow_Fox the chicken carbonara from Martinelles here in salina 21:55 wizzyrea the best ones I've had (fish tacos) were in hawaii 21:55 Snow_Fox has bacon fresh choped green onions with ham and smothered with alfrado sauce 21:55 wizzyrea mac and cheese, yum 21:56 wizzyrea carbonara = yummy too 21:56 chris hehe 21:56 rhcl bacon, lettuce and tom sandwich 21:56 wizzyrea OMG 21:56 wizzyrea my favorite thing ever AND i have garden tomatoes! 21:56 wizzyrea must remember to get lettuce... 21:57 wizzyrea what sucks is that in our climate the lettuce is a spring veg and tomatoes are heartily entrenched in summer 21:57 pianohacker rhcl: Homemade ones of those are pretty good 21:57 wizzyrea so it's tough to get garden lettuce and garrden tomatoes at the same time 21:57 pianohacker wizzyrea: Ahh, so you can't localvore a good BLT? 21:57 wizzyrea well you *can* 21:57 wizzyrea but you have to replant your lettuce in early june 21:58 wizzyrea or mid june, or somesuch 21:58 wizzyrea ok, gotta go, peps 21:58 pianohacker bye 21:58 Snow_Fox kk 21:58 wizzyrea ty for the most amusing end to a friday I've had in a while. 21:58 wizzyrea :) 21:58 Snow_Fox BACON! 21:59 pianohacker Hey, my productivity is going to be pretty much busted till dinner, I don't think that's so amusing 21:59 chris cya later 22:02 rhcl Yea, think I'm outta here too... 22:18 gmcharlt exactly why you keep him around? ;) 22:18 jdavidb Her. Yes, she's good for that sort of thing, gmcharlt. People ask me why I call her "Minion". I usually calmly point out that good guys have "Sidekicks." 22:19 gmcharlt gotcha 23:25 pianohacker Good night 04:18 chris afternoon 04:37 thd chris: I am trying to reconfigure a small Koha with a test set of records but Zebra keeps showing me the previous large test set. 04:39 thd s/Zebra/something mysterious/ 04:39 chris have you done a rebuild_zebra.pl -r 04:39 chris to reset 04:39 chris (ie delete and rebuild the indexes) 04:39 thd yes but as a bare command that fails 04:40 chris with what message? 04:40 thd it must be rebuild_zebra -b or -a with -r 04:40 chris yeah thats right 04:40 chris so give it a b :) 04:40 chris -r -b 04:40 chris or -a (if you want to rebuild the authorities) 04:40 thd must the -r come first? 04:40 chris doesnt matter 04:41 thd should not matter 04:41 thd I have done it many times 04:41 chris put a -v there too 04:41 chris so you can see what its doing 04:41 chris and do you run at as the same user who runs the cron job? 04:42 thd I ran as root. 04:42 chris because if you are running it with a user that doesnt have permissions to update the files, they wont be updated 04:42 thd root must have permissions must it not 04:42 thd I have checked and the files are updated 04:42 chris run it with -v 04:42 chris ull see how many its updating that way 04:48 thd -v is an unsupported option in one version but I have found another instance of Koha or Zebra perhaps running on the machine 04:48 chris that would do it, if you are rebuilding one, and another one is being searched 04:50 thd yes, that is it. I have been testing the wrong database 04:50 thd :) 04:53 thd I should have looked more carefully at which Koha instance was being served by Apache. 05:04 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 05:04 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0°C (10:10 AM IST on July 18, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 05:08 chris pretty warm 08:34 |Lupin| hi all 08:41 chris hi |Lupin| 08:43 |Lupin| hello chris ! 08:43 |Lupin| how are you ? 08:43 chris good thanks 08:46 |Lupin| great 08:49 |Lupin| is there something special to tell to cpan so that it installs modules in the user's home directory rather than system-wide ? 08:51 chris yes 08:51 chris when configuring it 08:51 chris you can give it a prefix to install them in 08:52 chris https://help.webfaction.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=132 08:52 |Lupin| chris: ah I didn't do that, thanks. 08:56 |Lupin| it's strange: step 1 is okay, so I jumped to step 3, which is installing modules, but this didn't work. 08:57 chris you need to do step 2, the configure part of it 08:57 chris you can go 08:57 chris cpan -e shell 08:57 chris and then restart the configuration 08:58 |Lupin| chris: I did a cpan initialize and this seemed to work... 08:58 |Lupin| chris: however I selected automatic configuration. Should I rather use a manual configuration ? 08:58 chris thats right 08:59 |Lupin| chris: ok so let's redo that :) 08:59 chris you need to do it manually and when you get to the question about parameters for Makefile.PL 08:59 chris put in something similair to that webpage 09:06 |Lupin| oho 09:06 |Lupin| just pressed enter to the question... 09:07 chris whoops 09:07 chris have to get to the end and start again 09:07 |Lupin| guess there is no way to go to previous question :) 09:07 |Lupin| oh maybe it's not too late actually 09:08 |Lupin| the question for which I pressed enter had 'site' as a default 09:08 chris right 09:09 |Lupin| oh no it's too late actually 09:09 |Lupin| now it's asking for the parameters for make 09:09 |Lupin| make_arg 09:10 chris yeah its the Makefile.PL one you want 09:10 |Lupin| Parameters for the 'perl Makefile.PL' command? [INSTALLDIRS=site] was the previous one 09:10 |Lupin| I think it's there I had to give the right parameters... will have to restart :) 09:11 |Lupin| actually I think it is possible to reconfigure just one variable... 09:21 chris yes thats right 09:21 chris i cant remember the syntax tho 09:21 chris right, nz just beat australia .. now i can watch prince caspian and relax :) 09:22 |Lupin| :-))) 09:22 |Lupin| is it rugby you are talking about ? 09:22 chris yes 09:23 |Lupin| k :) 09:28 |Lupin| chris: will there be something special to do at koha install time so that the fresshly installed perl modules (in home dir) are found ? 09:29 chris you probably need to set PERL5LIB before running perl Makefile.PL so it looks in the right place 09:31 |Lupin| chris: ok, done already. And with that, even when the script will be run by apache, it will know where to look ? 09:31 chris nope 09:31 chris you will need to edit the koha-httpd.conf 09:32 chris to make sure the PERL5LIB there includes where the koha modules are, plus where you installed the modules via cpan 09:42 |Lupin| chris: okay, thanks a lot 09:42 chris np 10:37 martinmorris hello, i'm having trouble indexing with zebra, anybody who can assist? 10:43 |Lupin| martinmorris: not sure, but e can try 10:43 |Lupin| martinmorris: what is your problem exactly ? 10:43 martinmorris actually i might have sorted it, although i'm not sure my export directories are set up entirely correctly 10:43 |Lupin| martinmorris: ok 10:43 martinmorris can you say what the permissions should be on my /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios and authorities directories? 10:44 |Lupin| martinmorris: I'd say they have to be readable by the user which is running apache 10:44 martinmorris ah 10:44 martinmorris and the koha user as well? 10:45 |Lupin| martinmorris: and also if you have a cron job for the indexing the user running this job must be able to write there, I assume 10:45 martinmorris so that would be a cron job running rebuild_zebra.pl? 10:45 |Lupin| martinmorris: by koha user you mean the one that logs in to the staff client ? 10:45 martinmorris no, the koha unix user i had to set up during installation 10:46 |Lupin| martinmorris: ah I think this user is a mysql user used to connect to the database, so I think this user does not need special permissions... 10:46 martinmorris ok 10:46 |Lupin| martinmorris: I'm not even sure there is really a need to create a _system_ koha user 10:46 |Lupin| I thought it's just a database user... 10:47 martinmorris well i certainly have that too 10:47 |Lupin| martinmorris: I mean... you may be able to remove the koha system user because it is not necessary 10:47 martinmorris well, if it's doing no harm... :) 10:47 |Lupin| unless you have been asked to create it by a documentation... 10:48 martinmorris i seem to remember creating it during the installatino 10:48 martinmorris doesn't matter 10:48 martinmorris i'm all a bit rusty, i did this last year but now coming back to it all 10:48 |Lupin| martinmorris: no it can't harm, so you can probably keep it at least until your koha installation works 10:48 |Lupin| martinmorris: in the long run, though, I'd say it's not a very good idea to have useless system accouns 10:49 |Lupin| martinmorris: k 10:49 martinmorris brb 10:49 |Lupin| why not starting with a clean system then ? i.e. removing everything you did before and just follow the whole procedure again... 11:06 martinmorris it's ok, it's working fine :) 11:06 martinmorris and probably will remove the koha account but will check through the documentation first just in case 11:16 |Lupin| martinmorris: looks wise, yeah 11:17 |Lupin| see you all 11:17 |Lupin| bye