Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
12:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop++ # 3.0.2 |
12:57 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: about? |
12:57 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, yap |
12:57 |
|
nahuel |
what's up ? |
12:57 |
|
gmcharlt |
just a small request - there are a lot of bugs you opened where the patch has been accepted |
12:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
could you go through them and close them? |
12:58 |
|
nahuel |
yes I can :) |
12:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
would you? :) |
12:58 |
|
nahuel |
yes I will :) |
12:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
thanks |
14:53 |
|
atz |
how does our translator handle input buttons |
14:53 |
|
atz |
like: <input type="submit" value="Submit" /> |
14:54 |
|
atz |
would it be better for us to use something like <button type="submit">Submit</button> ? |
14:54 |
|
atz |
seems like the translator would have a better chance at that |
14:57 |
|
hdl_laptop |
atz: I think input button are well managed. |
14:57 |
|
hdl_laptop |
What is more a problem is optgroup |
15:07 |
|
slef |
hi all - can someone twitfilter this for me: tools/import_borrowers.pl accepts username but doesn't use it anywhere and neither does AddMember? |
15:09 |
|
slef |
wb Sharon |
15:10 |
|
schuster |
slef - username for us put the username into the opac login along with password, but I am using it through the web when loading borrowers. |
15:12 |
|
slef |
from the Tools screen? 3.0? If so, I'll just look closer to see how it works |
15:13 |
|
schuster |
slef - I have a comma delimited file that I use with all the headers and it loads very nicely. I have loaded over 53,000 borrowers this way. |
15:14 |
|
slef |
ok, looking closer |
15:15 |
|
jwagner |
schuster -- that works fine for us too, until something changes the structure of the patron table :-) Then it's just a matter of pulling the new table format (download new sample .csv from the patron import page) and revising our import scripting. |
15:16 |
|
slef |
jwagner: we've recently sent changes that lets old CSVs keep working as long as you have a new headerrow and the new field can be blank. |
15:16 |
|
slef |
sorry, headerrow, not new headerrrow |
15:18 |
|
jwagner |
Yes, that would work. Just wanted to point out that people need to keep an eye out for table structure changes. |
17:04 |
|
wizzyrea |
I just got the strangest report from one of my librarians... they claim that they got "kicked out" of koha when we updated the news... is this even a possible scenario?! |
17:05 |
|
wizzyrea |
(i'm with occam, it was probably something else, and a coincidence) |
17:06 |
|
atz |
wizzyrea: not likely |
17:07 |
|
Sharon |
Unrelated question from the same librarian - before the updates, using a * before a number (say a barcode) would pull that exact search string |
17:07 |
|
Sharon |
after the updates, that behavior disappeared. |
17:07 |
|
atz |
that seems odd, usually * is a wildcard |
17:07 |
|
Sharon |
I train that % is the wildcard |
17:08 |
|
Sharon |
are they both? |
17:08 |
|
atz |
Sharon: not sure, there are many different "searches" |
17:08 |
|
atz |
% is truncation/wildcard operator in mysql |
17:08 |
|
Sharon |
keyword search via the staff client |
17:09 |
|
atz |
keyword search on catalog? patron? aqcuistions? sysprefs? etc... |
17:09 |
|
Sharon |
patron and/or catalog |
17:10 |
|
Sharon |
scenario: librarian wants to find the status of a book with a specific barcode. Used to be they could type in *BARCODE and find the specific item with that barcode. Without the *, Koha would find ANY item that contained the same digits/integers as that barcode. |
17:11 |
|
Sharon |
the * 'seemed' to make koha search for that specific series of numbers, if that makes sense |
17:11 |
|
atz |
Sharon: right, so that's no good if the barcode is something common like "12" |
17:11 |
|
atz |
the real answer is to use adv. search and search just the field that you want |
17:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
the star usually pulled the exact item |
17:12 |
|
atz |
keyword searching is still just keyword searching |
17:12 |
|
Sharon |
not practical answer for a busy public library |
17:12 |
|
Sharon |
the * made the keyword search function as an exact search |
17:12 |
|
Sharon |
we are forever finding shortcuts to make the keyword search function like an exact search. |
17:13 |
|
atz |
it may have, but i've no understanding of that implemenation or syntax |
17:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's fair ;) |
17:13 |
|
atz |
it's still not exact, right? it doesn't know you want a barcode and not say... an ISBN |
17:14 |
|
Sharon |
right - it's just searching an exact string of 'something' |
17:15 |
|
pianohacker |
Does searching for barcode:BARCODE work? It should in theory |
17:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
it's much faster than fiddling through the adv search, even if you get more results. The one with the exact barcode is usually the top of the list |
17:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
pianohacker++ that works |
17:16 |
|
atz |
that syntax makes a lot more sense to me, too |
17:16 |
|
atz |
pianohacker++ |
17:16 |
|
Sharon |
it works, it's not as fast as typing * but I'll share this with my librarians. |
17:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
harder to remember though |
17:17 |
|
atz |
wizzyrea: not really, if * is still a wildcard elsewhere, it's harder to remember when it is and when it isn't |
17:17 |
|
pianohacker |
There's a file buried inside zebra's configuration directory (called record.abs, I think) that details all of the indexes, all of which can be used by searching for index:SEARCH_STRING |
17:18 |
|
atz |
pianohacker: with the unfortunate side effect of blocking searching containing ":" |
17:18 |
|
Sharon |
considering ": |
17:18 |
|
pianohacker |
@query : |
17:18 |
|
wizzyrea |
(imagine you have a lady with 6 kids, and has her receipt with barcode number and wants to know if she's turned it in, and you have another lady behind her with a screaming 6mo old... I might have trouble, in that moment of fluster, to type barcode: but that's just me) |
17:18 |
|
Sharon |
is used to separate titles from subtitles |
17:18 |
|
munin |
pianohacker: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2785 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, Andrew.mooreliblime.com, NEW, dbdependant tests fail |
17:18 |
|
munin |
pianohacker: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=988 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, issuing rules message when issuingrules=0 |
17:18 |
|
munin |
pianohacker: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2726 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, in Auth_with_ldap.pm instead of doing a comparison try binding. |
17:18 |
|
munin |
pianohacker: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2635 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswongerfoundations.edu, NEW, Adding non-digit chars to cost fields in items causes data corruption |
17:18 |
|
munin |
pianohacker: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3197 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbellptfs-europe.com, NEW, Problem editing Authority MARC Subfield Structure: no "subfield code" box |
17:18 |
|
pianohacker |
Hmm, that didn't work |
17:19 |
|
pianohacker |
I know there's a bug for it |
17:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, it's an early one if I remember |
17:19 |
|
atz |
wizzyrea: need a keyboard macro |
17:20 |
|
Sharon |
Joe, dude....we're talking about librarians. I am one, was one, work with them...they don't know what a macro is |
17:20 |
|
Sharon |
;-) |
17:20 |
|
atz |
yeah, but if you just say "ctrl-b" inserts "barcode:" and put it on a post-it, they should get it |
17:20 |
|
Sharon |
lol |
17:20 |
|
atz |
especially if they ever used the old terminal driven ILS's |
17:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
well they'll remember anything that's on a post-it, that's true |
17:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
nah, most of em didn't |
17:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
until you swap out their monitor, lol |
17:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
kidding, kidding. I tease b/c I love |
17:21 |
|
atz |
i'm still like shift-control-gold-9 |
17:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
rofl |
17:21 |
|
pianohacker |
Or, if they're like the librarians at my library, they'll take your accurate handwritten post-it and turn it into an incorrect typed-out label |
17:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
ooh, yes, this I am familiar with |
17:22 |
|
atz |
ahh.... multiLIS on VMS... those were the days... |
17:22 |
|
Sharon |
I had macros that sailed through 3-4 screens when I cataloged in Horizon |
17:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
most of our librarians grew up on follett with a mouse |
17:22 |
|
Sharon |
but Liz is right - our librarians are mouse-addicts |
17:23 |
|
atz |
Sharon: yeah, terminals were blazing fast once you got up the learning curve |
17:24 |
|
Sharon |
As long as I could tab and hard return through the data, the macro was golden |
17:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
ty for the tip on the barcode: search, that's actually really helpful b/c it gives a better result than the old way anyway |
17:25 |
|
wizzyrea |
harder to remember, but better result, so they'll learn it |
17:25 |
|
pianohacker |
Cool |
17:26 |
|
Sharon |
I think we should JING creating the macro |
17:27 |
|
wizzyrea |
with what were you thinking we would create said macro with, atz? |
17:28 |
|
atz |
i think there are a ton of different apps for it... |
17:28 |
|
atz |
FF-addons, or OS widgets |
17:28 |
|
atz |
"witch" on OSX |
17:29 |
|
Sharon |
I just want my * back...if I whine, will I get my way? |
17:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: check your email settings - patch for 3289 doesn't seem to have hit the patches list |
17:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
hrm, okies |
17:29 |
|
atz |
Sharon: dunno... it probably should be something else anyway |
17:30 |
|
atz |
maybe ^ |
17:30 |
|
Sharon |
that's what I was thinking - what symbol isn't used |
17:31 |
|
pianohacker |
Actually, you could probably emulate it with an intranetuserjs hack |
17:31 |
|
atz |
pianohacker: good point |
17:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
emulate the *? |
17:32 |
|
atz |
yeah, just add an onsubmit for the form, check if the value starts w/ *, expand to barcode:, return |
17:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
hm. icwutudidthar |
17:36 |
|
joetho |
what's the difference between a search with and without whatever wildcard symbol works? I just checked and I seem to get the same results with and without a % |
17:36 |
|
Sharon |
the % works great if you don't know how to spell - ex, "king, ste%" |
17:37 |
|
Sharon |
or you know all but the last 2 digits of a patron barcode 10030060026% |
17:39 |
|
joetho |
Hmmm. I still get the same results with or without the %. |
17:40 |
|
joetho |
btw: new list of patches at https://sites.google.com/a/lib[…]cket/Home/updates |
17:40 |
|
joetho |
Ours is scheduled for June 15 |
17:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
Yep |
17:45 |
|
pianohacker |
wizzyrea: for the emulation, you could also check, in javascript, if the field was composed entirely of numbers. That way, if * becomes useful for something else, you could use it for that and still keep your hack |
17:47 |
|
Sharon |
that sounds promising, since patron barcodes are unique, item barcodes are unique and isbns are (or should be) unique |
17:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
"should be" being the operative term for ISBNs |
17:50 |
|
pianohacker |
wizzyrea: Is that your first code-level patch? |
17:51 |
|
Sharon |
she's afk |
18:07 |
|
ShunDi |
hi everyone :) |
18:09 |
|
pianohacker |
Hello |
18:09 |
|
joetho |
Hi SHunDi |
18:10 |
|
ShunDi |
does anybody have an idea why the keyword search doesn't return any results unless you add kw= to the search term (latest koha git on lenny with zebra and icu.xml chain) |
18:10 |
|
ShunDi |
all the other searches (author, title etc) seem to work fine |
18:25 |
|
pianohacker |
Have you checked your zebra error log? |
18:25 |
|
pianohacker |
If it's not saving it anywhere, you can test by running it from the console |
18:31 |
|
ShunDi |
error logs are clean so far ... |
18:34 |
|
ShunDi |
ok in verbose mode it says error 120 |
18:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
pianohacker: yessir |
19:00 |
|
wizzyrea |
hehe http://www.facebook.com/photo.[…]71b&id=1078323327 |
19:49 |
|
chris |
morning |
19:49 |
|
chris |
nice mug wizzyrea |
19:50 |
|
rhcl |
Hi Chris |
19:50 |
|
brendan |
hi chris |
19:51 |
|
rhcl |
Liz: is what way is there a relationship, if any, between the xtra strength Tylenol and the Koha cup? |
19:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
:D |
19:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
come on, it never gives you a headache? ;) |
19:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
chris: ty!! just got it today |
19:54 |
|
jwagner |
Some of us bypass the Tylenol and head for the booze.... (At least in our dreams) |
19:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
well I like my liver, so I avoid doing both at the same time... |
19:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
but yes, sometimes booze is required |
19:57 |
|
chris |
ohh that is pretty cool |
19:58 |
|
chris |
User has to enter a word in english and press space or return to transliterate the word. The destination language can be selected from a drop down list. User can |
19:58 |
|
chris |
+temporarily turn on/off the feature by using "ctrl +g". |
19:58 |
|
chris |
A system preference - GoogleIndicTransliteration can be used to turn on this feature. |
19:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: yep |
19:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
the google API also supports transliterating Arabic as well as the Indic languages |
19:59 |
|
chris |
patches_from_india++ |
20:00 |
|
chris |
sweet |
20:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
there is a downside, though - means that all your OPAC searches pass through Google's servers |
20:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
or rather, all of the ones that you have transliterated |
20:00 |
|
chris |
true |
20:02 |
|
chris |
probably need to add that to the help |
20:02 |
|
chris |
so people are at least aware thats happening |
20:13 |
|
chris |
still getting used to this new routine, im on 4 weeks paid leave from work, and laurel is on 14 weeks parental leave (paid for by the govt) its been 2 years (since i worked at home) since I have spent this many consecutive days at home hehe |
20:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
<3 NZ, so, so very much |
20:14 |
|
chris |
http://www.visionofhumanity.or[…]ults/rankings.php |
20:14 |
|
chris |
wizzyrea: its parental too, so you can split it, i could take 7 she take 7, or i could take 14, or 10-4 etc |
20:22 |
|
chris |
http://www.oss.asia/ <--interesting |
20:27 |
|
pianohacker |
bye, all |
20:28 |
|
chris |
@karma |
20:28 |
|
munin |
chris: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (3), "koha" (2), and "patches_from_india" (1). Lowest karma: "patches_from_india" (1), "pianohacker" (1), and "git" (1). |
20:28 |
|
atz |
sirsi-- |
20:29 |
|
chris |
heh |
20:29 |
|
chris |
did you see the ptfs-europe announcement |
20:29 |
|
atz |
git++ # git's not allowed to be lowest karma |
20:29 |
|
atz |
chris: the evergreen one? |
20:29 |
|
chris |
library shifting from unicorn to koha .. i think that might be the first unicorn to koha? |
20:29 |
|
chris |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ticle.pl?RC=13764 |
20:30 |
|
atz |
that doesn't seem likely to be the first |
20:30 |
|
atz |
i'm pretty sure we've migrated ppl, but maybe I'm just thinking staff... since david was a unicorn admin like me before |
20:32 |
|
chris |
you are probably right, its always nice to get a sirsi/dynix one that isnt moving because horizon has been killed :) |
20:32 |
|
atz |
yeah, true |
20:37 |
|
richard |
hi |
20:39 |
|
chris |
hi richard, another nice day today eh? |
20:40 |
|
richard |
sure is. actually any day when it's not blowing a screaming southerly at this time of the year is nice :) |
20:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
nekls came from unicorn |
20:42 |
|
chris |
ohh cool, i knew you were cool |
20:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
you know, the more I look at the word unicorn, the weirder it looks |
20:42 |
|
chris |
:) |
20:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
HA |
20:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
I honestly didn't have a lot to do with automation when we were on unicorn... much more for me to do with koha, and I like it. |
20:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
someone's gotta muck about with the nerdcore aspect of it :P |
20:44 |
|
chris |
heh |
20:50 |
|
ShunDi |
does anybody have an idea why the keyword search doesn't return any results unless you add kw= to the search term? |
20:51 |
|
joetho |
ShunDi: I saw this question earlier and I have been thinking about this. |
20:54 |
|
ShunDi |
zebrasrv gives reports "Search biblios ERROR 120" if you leave out the kw= ... can't figure out why only the keyword search is broken |
20:55 |
|
joetho |
what happens if you add kw: instead of kw= ?? |
20:55 |
|
ShunDi |
if I remove the icu chain keyword search works normal again |
20:55 |
|
joetho |
ah |
20:56 |
|
ShunDi |
kw: works, too |
21:00 |
|
ShunDi |
don't get it how the chain breaks only this search ... |
21:05 |
|
joetho |
I am reading up on this a bit and I don't see how the icu chain would affect only one search. It seems like it would be an all or none. |
21:06 |
|
schuster |
FYI South Central is Classic Dynix moving to Koha...;) |
21:07 |
|
joetho |
schuster: did you get my email the other day abou the consortium listserv? |
21:07 |
|
schuster |
Question for those RSS guru's... Is there a way to do a search limiting by date added in the OPAC? |
21:07 |
|
schuster |
Joetho - yes I did, is this a different consortium list from the Incolsa one? |
21:07 |
|
joetho |
one and the same |
21:07 |
|
schuster |
I'm technically not a consortium, but like to lurk... |
21:08 |
|
schuster |
Joetho - what do you need me to do for registration? |
21:08 |
|
joetho |
Hmmm. I didn't think of that. School District= branches. |
21:08 |
|
ShunDi |
joetho: exactly my thoughts ... |
21:08 |
|
schuster |
Yep... different beast all together! 67 branches/locations... |
21:09 |
|
joetho |
It is now listed on the Koha listserv page |
21:09 |
|
joetho |
http://koha.org/about/get-invo[…]ts/mailing-listsg |
21:09 |
|
schuster |
OK I'll check it out when I have a few minutes... or now since you provided me the link! |
21:09 |
|
joetho |
67 sounds like a lot. |
21:10 |
|
schuster |
We'll be 68 next year, then 69, then 70! One a year then we will see what happens. |
21:12 |
|
schuster |
joetho - I'm on that page, but don't see anything about a consortium list? |
21:12 |
|
schuster |
doo... sorry second one on the list not sure what I was looking for. |
21:13 |
|
joetho |
So, you turn 68 next year, then 69 the next year, then 70 the year after that... |
21:14 |
|
joetho |
We are adding two libraries later this summer and that is plenty for me. |
21:23 |
|
schuster |
Much better than the year we opened 3-4 at a time... Our neighbor city is now doing that but they are doing about 5 a year! |
21:24 |
|
schuster |
Well off to pickup the kids! Their last day of school... My oldest is now a 3rd grader at 8 years old 9 in october... they do grow fast. |
23:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
testing logging |
23:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
test message |
23:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
another test |
23:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
@bug 2499 |
23:52 |
|
munin |
gmcharlt: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2499 normal, P3, ---, chris.nighswongerliblime.com, ASSIGNED, Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed |
23:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
@bug 2505 |
23:55 |
|
munin |
gmcharlt: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2505 blocker, P3, ---, galen.charltonliblime.com, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts |
23:57 |
|
gmcharlt |
@bug 2501 |
23:57 |
|
munin |
gmcharlt: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2501 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, RESOLVED FIXED, Spelling Error - Serials Summary Page |
23:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
@bug 2502 |
23:59 |
|
munin |
gmcharlt: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2502 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, galen.charltonliblime.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Placing a hold via staff interface gives errant warning of patron account expired. |
01:08 |
|
IrmaCalyx |
G'day #koha |
01:08 |
|
IrmaCalyx |
Is anyone online? |
03:16 |
|
chris |
afternoon |
03:16 |
|
richard |
hey chris |
03:17 |
|
richard |
yeah. it does look really nice out there |
03:18 |
|
chris |
kahu and I even got an ice cream each and played at the park |
03:31 |
|
Amit |
hi brendan, chris, mason |
03:31 |
|
Amit |
good morning |
03:32 |
|
Amit |
chris: i have completed 100% translation koha (OPAC) in Hindi |
03:32 |
|
chris |
cool |
03:32 |
|
chris |
unfortunately you just missed the 3.0.2 release |
03:33 |
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chris |
but people can at least download the .po file until 3.0.3 |
03:35 |
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Amit |
ok |
03:37 |
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Amit |
chris: I think this is first 100% translation |
03:38 |
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chris |
for Hindi yes |
03:39 |
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mason |
hello peoples |
03:39 |
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Amit |
hi mason |
03:40 |
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mason |
hiy amit |
03:43 |
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mason |
i wonder how much effort it would take to get the title/author fields in the import_biblio records to be indexed, and searchable with zebra... |
04:00 |
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Amit |
hi honey |
04:00 |
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honey |
Hi amit |
04:01 |
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honey |
I saw that ur opac hindi translation has been completed....great |
04:03 |
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Amit |
hmm... thanks |
04:15 |
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Amit |
hi selfish Man |
04:20 |
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Amit |
chris: Today i m going to Delhi |
04:32 |
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chris |
for work? |
04:35 |
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Amit |
no i m going to my home for 1 week first delhi then dehradun |
05:29 |
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Amit |
chris: check http://delhipubliclibrary.in/ |
05:30 |
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Amit |
see some indic search button |
05:30 |
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Amit |
on the site |
05:54 |
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Amit |
chris: see this and select hindi http://kohav3demo.osslabs.bi |
05:55 |
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Amit |
http://kohav3demo.osslabs.biz |
06:30 |
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Elwell |
nice comment about sth->finish. I must admit I hadn't read the man pages recently :-) |
06:38 |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
09:38 |
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CGI452 |
hi |
10:45 |
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litarena |
hi |
11:27 |
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kf |
hi |
11:32 |
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chris |
hi |
11:32 |
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kf |
hi chris, still awake? |
11:33 |
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chris |
yep, mum and 2 kids are asleep, just catching up on tons of emails |
11:35 |
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kf |
got a mail from German koha list .) |
11:35 |
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kf |
problems with icu.xml and Koha |
11:36 |
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chris |
ahh |
11:37 |
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kf |
always exciting to find out about other people in Germany experimenting with Koha :) |
11:37 |
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chris |
yep thats good to hear :) |
11:38 |
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kf |
but I told him to write to Koha, we had similar problems, but I dont know how we solved it and colleague is still on vacation |
11:38 |
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chris |
good idea |
11:40 |
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chris |
ok time for sleep |
11:42 |
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kf |
good night chris |