IRC log for #koha, 2009-05-06

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12:40 IrmaCalyx hi #koha
12:45 paul_p hello IrmaCalyx
12:53 IrmaCalyx Hi Paul. How are you settling back in after the KohaCon week?
12:54 IrmaCalyx Busy?
12:55 IrmaCalyx I had a question today about "floating collections". Do your libraries require/use this feature?
13:01 paul_p IrmaCalyx: the kohaCon is quite old already. I was last week in Montauban.
13:01 paul_p what is floating collections ?
13:02 IrmaCalyx It's when an item does not belong to a particular branch in a multiple branch library syste. The item is borrowed from on e library and when returned to another one stays at that branch.
13:03 IrmaCalyx until borrowed again or requested from another branch.
13:04 IrmaCalyx It's a way of saving transfer costs.
13:04 IrmaCalyx What is it called in French?
13:07 IrmaCalyx Montauban...dans le departement de Tarn et Garonne - A public library?
13:10 paul_p IrmaCalyx: yep, it's the public library.
13:11 paul_p IrmaCalyx: I never encountered this in france.
13:11 IrmaCalyx Just looked up some painting from Jean Ingres born in Montauban (1755-1814)...
13:12 paul_p yep.
13:12 paul_p the library is just near the Ingres museum
13:12 IrmaCalyx It's a new Collections Management idea here too but it is becoming popular as only transfer expenses are incurred for items requested by library patrons.
13:14 IrmaCalyx One year already since our trip to your continent! Nice hospitality is easy to remember :-)
13:15 paul_p makes sense though. I think "real networks" could be interested by that. But I think it's quite a library 3.0 feature ;-)
13:15 gmcharlt fair number of US public libraries do floating collections, or want to
13:17 IrmaCalyx A library of significance in Sydney is requesting it. Any US library using Koha has added this feature?
13:18 gmcharlt at least one is doing it, more or less, with the branch transfer limits that Kyle hall added
13:20 IrmaCalyx Great...Will do some searching on prior postings or emails and check it out!
13:20 IrmaCalyx May I ask about acquisition?
13:23 IrmaCalyx Might be easier if I ask for a link to some info re the recently designed Acquisition Module and it's features
13:24 IrmaCalyx Will it support Electronic ordering and invoicing?
13:25 gmcharlt IrmaCalyx: not to answer for paul_p, but have you read through all of the acq RFCs on[…]velopment:rfcs3.2
13:25 IrmaCalyx Hi Galen - How are you doing?
13:25 paul_p IrmaCalyx: nope, it won't support EDI yet.
13:26 paul_p slef told us he has something about that
13:26 gmcharlt IrmaCalyx: reasonably OK, but ill today
13:26 IrmaCalyx Ok thank you both for the info.
13:27 IrmaCalyx Galen...a common flu only ...I hope!
13:27 gmcharlt I'm not oinking yet ;)
13:27 IrmaCalyx That's a relief!
13:35 jwagner Good morning all.  Has anyone done any work with allowing an automated login?  That is, feeding an ID and password to the OPAC under the hood?  I'm looking into ways to do this.
13:36 IrmaCalyx Galen... Hope U feel better soon. Paul...thanks for the chat and info. Bonsoir.
15:07 atz bignose-work: i thought of a quick hack-around for loading users w/ staff (or any other) access
15:09 atz basically set userflags.defaulton=1 for the permissions you want to be applied, then do the load for those users, then set userflags back the way it was
15:10 atz might even be able to short cirtuit that and not touch DB
15:15 atz jwagner: you might look at certificate authentication at the Apache level, would need to add hooks in C4::Auth to pull values from that
15:32 jwagner Sorry, atz, been off in a meeting.  We'll look at that.  Thanks!
15:33 atz that's the kind of thing the defense contractor types in your area get into, also
15:35 jwagner Actually, the particular need I'm looking at is the web-based self-check.  We have one site that wants it available from multiple PCs without the need for a manual login.  I'm experimenting with some sysprefs to store the self-check ID & password, then pull those values & do a login for the web self-check.
15:35 atz certificates would a good fix for that
15:36 jwagner Worth investigating that option.  Thanks.
16:05 pianohacker Mornin', liz
16:36 wizzyrea mornin
17:22 brendan morning #koha
18:39 schuster Question about show processlist in mysql
18:39 schuster I've been running this throughout the day and things have been clicking right along.
18:39 schuster all of a sudden here about 1:30 - I see a BUNCH of | 4413243 | pisdadmin | localhost | koha_pisd | Query   |    0 | closing tables | REPLACE INTO sessions (id, a_session) VALUES('0fc609e3ca18358e97f299d880e827b7', '--- \n_SESSION_ATI |
18:39 schuster REPLACE INTO sessions statements...  what is that?
18:44 chris looks like someone logging in or out is my guess
18:45 chris one hell of a thunderstorm going on here, so i may disappear at any time
18:46 schuster Had our rain on Saturday!  Rained out the Rough Riders...  Thanks for the hint...  Now I have something else to look into.
19:02 schuster At the same time I start getting these statements -  SELECT a_session FROM sessions WHERE id='00bcd3c19290e05fdb5ecf81caed5da8'                           |
19:02 schuster So is that someone left a workstation say for lunch came back and the system is re-connecting to the session?
19:03 schuster I have my timeout set to the default... - but about 1:30 we have a slowdown - when a bunch of people probably start circulating again after lunch
20:24 chris that sounds entirely plausible schuster
20:31 richard morning
20:38 chris hey richard .. wet enough for ya?
20:38 richard sure is. spectacular lightning this a.m.
20:38 chris yep
20:40 chris loud thunder too
20:46 chris kahu managed to sleep through the whole thing, which was fairly impressive
20:47 richard amazing
21:05 hdl_laptop have a nice evening under the thunder.
21:05 hdl_laptop I have a 3.0.x wip to show.
21:06 hdl_laptop Only with cherrypicked elements
21:06 hdl_laptop + some sent patches from nahuel
21:06 hdl_laptop if anyone interested.
21:07 hdl_laptop It is only wip since there are some updatedatabase which fixes bugs and they are not yet added.
21:07 hdl_laptop But it should be there soon.
21:07 hdl_laptop hi saorge
21:07 hdl_laptop time to go to bed for me.
21:07 hdl_laptop see ya
21:09 chris cool
21:09 chris night hdl_laptop
21:09 schuster Time for me to head out...  Progress!!!  Now where are my keys...
21:38 chris seems to be a yearly thing nowadays
21:39 brendan when I left to run it was a small little fire, now two hours later - it looks like an acre or more
21:39 chris yikes
21:39 brendan it's really windy here today
21:39 chris that wont help at all, no chance of rain?
21:40 brendan no rain in sight...  maybe a marine layer tonight
21:43 brendan
21:43 brendan started at 1:30pm -- it's now 2:40pm  that is spreading fast
21:45 chris yikes
21:45 chris how far from your home is it?
21:46 brendan I'm about 10 miles
21:46 brendan I can watch it out my kitchen window though.
21:47 chris thats a little close for comfort
21:48 brendan well if I'm not here for a few days... I've left town :(
21:49 chris here's hoping they get it under control
21:50 ron hopefully you don't get anything like we had here in .au a few months back
21:50 brendan ok -- heading back out to watch it for a minute --- they've got helicopters dumping water on it...
21:51 ron cool
21:53 ron "burning near power lines". brendan goes offline in 5... 4... 3...
21:53 ron ;-)
21:54 brendan heh
21:56 ron I live ~20ks (~12-15mi) from the fires that swept through Vic in .au
21:57 ron we got a huge amount of wildlife relocate to here soon afterwards
21:58 chris i bet
21:58 chris any wombats?
21:58 ron heh. nope
21:58 chris they are my favourite australian animal
21:58 ron bricks on legs
21:58 ron bleh
21:59 ron lots of birds (lorikeets, etc)
22:01 ron gotta catch a train. ciao
23:30 chris hi rach and ccatalfo
23:30 ccatalfo evening, #koha!
23:30 chris hows librarything treating ya?
23:30 rach howdy
23:31 ccatalfo chris: good, thanks.  what are you up to these days?
23:32 chris doing some koha work again, for catalyst ... bout halftime at the moment and the rest of my time is other development work for catalyst mostly on
23:33 ccatalfo cool
23:34 chris currently working on upgrading HLT to 3.0.1
23:45 mason hi chris.c x 2
23:46 chris heh
23:47 mason any excuse for a lame pun.. :/
01:24 brendan the fire is reportedly getting bigger than 150 acres (that was reported an hour ago)
01:57 chris yikes
03:05 brendan got friends who have been evacuated from there houses over for a few days...  at least they brought there dog (fun for me )
03:14 Amit hi brendan, mason, chris
03:14 Amit good morning #koha
03:18 brendan heya amit
03:20 Amit how r u brendan
04:35 mason morning all
04:35 richard evening mason
04:35 mason crazy thunder last nite huh
04:36 richard sure was
04:36 mason ive *never* heard thunder that felt so close by
04:36 mason i initiallly thought it was an explosion ?!?
04:37 mason 3am-ish i think..
04:37 richard i'm sure wainuiomata copped a direct hit
04:38 mason oooh,[…]il-hit-Wellington
04:41 Amit hi mason richard
04:41 richard hi amit
04:41 mason heya amit
04:41 Amit Weather warning as thunder, hail hit Wellington
04:52 brendan The mountains are on fire where I live -- here's a local newspaper  ---
04:54 richard we could do with a weather swap - it's cold and wet here
04:54 brendan richard that would be excellent
05:04 richard cya
06:48 Hopposai kia ora
06:48 Hopposai hello
08:15 chris drive by
08:19 chris hi paul
08:25 hdl_laptop1 hi chris
08:30 chris hi hdl_laptop1
08:50 slef hi all. I'm alive.
08:55 chris heya slef
08:57 chris 10 hours until the meeting :)
09:02 slef oh.  I was 12 hours and got daylight savings time wrong.
09:25 mason interesting read... ->
10:01 gmcharlt greetings
10:05 chris awake early gmcharlt
10:05 gmcharlt yep
10:06 gmcharlt you planning to sleep between now and the meeting, I hope?
10:06 chris yep :)
10:07 chris heh
10:18 chris i was actually thinking prolog
10:19 chris you could really simplify the circulation matrix :)
10:20 gmcharlt heh
10:31 nahuel chris, hey ! A friend of mine is the child of one of the 2 creators of prolog
10:31 nahuel (from marseille !)
10:32 chris very cool, it was one of my more fun classes at university
10:32 nahuel hehe well never wrote a line of prolog
10:32 nahuel anyway it's lunchtime
10:32 nahuel bbl
10:40 Amit hi nahuel
10:54 slef[…]EternalFlame.html
11:00 slef erm, when did become non-commercial? That's a PITA
11:02 slef slef: seems like 2006 with the move to dokuwiki
11:33 gmcharlt slef: I'd support changing it to CC-BY-SA or CC-BY
11:35 gmcharlt I haven't checked the archives yet, but was BY-NC-SA perhaps just a dokuwiki default setting?  or was there an explicit discussion about the license?
11:35 paul_p hi gmcharlt. afaik, no discussion about the license
11:37 gmcharlt if we change it, would it be like relicensing software in that we'd have to get everybody who ever contributed to the wiki to change it?
11:37 gmcharlt that is, to agree to the new license?
11:37 paul_p gmcharlt: I think so
11:39 gmcharlt one model for doing this:
11:46 slef I think we could only clear the last three years (= dokuwiki registered users) because before that it was implicitly free-for-all
11:48 slef I assume you can get dokuwiki to spit out a list of users and emails but I can't see how to do it.
11:48 gmcharlt slef: yes
11:48 gmcharlt all registered users or only those who actually made edits?
11:49 gmcharlt there are two overlapping constituencies
11:50 slef only those who actually made edits I guess
11:50 slef and non-Minor at that
11:50 gmcharlt I'll see if I can get it to spit out the number of lines or bytes changed by each user
11:51 slef gmcharlt: while you're here, two questions: what's's equivalent of wikipedia's {{citation_needed}}? and how do I tag a bug on as haspatch?
11:52 gmcharlt haspatch = priority is PATCH-Sent
11:52 slef aha
11:52 gmcharlt don't think has equiv of {{citation_needed}}
11:53 slef ok, thought it was just me being dense
11:54 slef I may make a CitationNeeded page one day
11:54 gmcharlt out of curiosity, what have you found that needs it?
11:54 slef I updated the agenda wiki page for tonight.[…]etingnotes09apr07
11:55 slef gmcharlt: nothing yet, but sometimes links are missing like on that agenda
11:55 slef "summary of proposals" is an example
11:59 slef OK if I send a meeting reminder?
11:59 slef (there hasn't been one recently has there?)

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