| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:58 |
|
jwagner |
nick jwagner jwagner_away |
| 15:21 |
|
jwagner |
Is someone around who's familiar with the famfamfam/silk/*.png images? |
| 16:56 |
|
nick |
hello |
| 16:57 |
|
nick |
managed to install koha 3 under ubuntu 8 |
| 16:57 |
|
nick |
all working fine |
| 16:57 |
|
nick |
i can't add a patron though |
| 16:57 |
|
nick |
under Patrons |
| 16:57 |
|
nick |
"+ New" does not work |
| 16:58 |
|
JoeTho |
Hi Nick |
| 16:59 |
|
nick |
hello JoeTho |
| 17:00 |
|
JoeTho |
I'm not sure if I can help you with this- have you used an older version before? |
| 17:00 |
|
nick |
first time koha |
| 17:00 |
|
nick |
a looged into 127.0.1.1:8080 |
| 17:00 |
|
JoeTho |
I would troubleshoot by seeing if you can alter anything at all. |
| 17:01 |
|
nick |
under Patrons --> + New |
| 17:01 |
|
nick |
does not work |
| 17:01 |
|
nick |
managed to add Acquisitions |
| 17:01 |
|
nick |
i can add a "List" |
| 17:02 |
|
JoeTho |
Hmm. what happens when you try to add a patron +New? anything at all? |
| 17:02 |
|
nick |
nth happens |
| 17:03 |
|
nick |
it seems the button is broken |
| 17:03 |
|
nick |
do i have to do sth before adding a Patron? |
| 17:03 |
|
nick |
maybe i am missing sth |
| 17:04 |
|
nick |
i am trying to follow those instructions: http://www.blazingmoon.org/gui[…]k3-on-u810-8.html |
| 17:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
nick: that button uses JavaScript and the YUI library - do you have JavaScript disabled or no net access from the Koha you've installed Koha on? |
| 17:06 |
|
JoeTho |
gmcharlt: conference call in about an hour, correct? |
| 17:06 |
|
nick |
under acquisitions the buttons do work |
| 17:06 |
|
nick |
same as list |
| 17:07 |
|
nick |
just under Patrons |
| 17:08 |
|
nick |
under Acquisitions --> + Vendor and + Order work just fine |
| 17:08 |
|
nick |
maybe, i am missing sth |
| 17:09 |
|
nick |
i noticed under Administration |
| 17:09 |
|
nick |
Patron Categories |
| 17:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
JoeTho: yes - with Dan Sweeney |
| 17:09 |
|
nick |
do i need do add one first so i can add Patrons then? |
| 17:09 |
|
jdavidb |
nick: I betcha that's it. |
| 17:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
indeed, if you don't have any categories defined yet, it won't work |
| 17:10 |
|
nick |
ok, i will try it, thank u |
| 17:11 |
|
nick |
can i get here any guideness on how to start with koha? |
| 17:12 |
|
nick |
i should have added a Patron Category in order to add a Patron |
| 17:13 |
|
nick |
following only one site for details is not enough :S |
| 17:13 |
|
nick |
someone has to look for more than two sites so he can manage |
| 17:14 |
|
nick |
jdavidb and gmcharlt |
| 17:14 |
|
nick |
u were right guys, thank u |
| 17:40 |
|
Sharon |
Has anyone else tested bug/enhancement 2908 and found that the email cart (basket) works, but emailing a list (shelf) doesn't? |
| 17:56 |
|
hdl_laptop |
nick: have you entered any categories for patrons ? |
| 17:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
Sharon: emailing lists works for me in HEAD |
| 17:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
how is it failing for you? is the email form not appearing, or are emails not being sent? |
| 17:59 |
|
Sharon |
Gmcharlt I'll send a support request about it, then in case is a problem with our installation |
| 18:06 |
|
jwagner |
Sharon, I just tested sending a list, and it came through fine here, on a system I built from koha.org last Saturday. |
| 18:07 |
|
Sharon |
Thanks, I'm alerting our vendor |
| 18:16 |
|
Sharon |
gmcharlt Emails are not being sent, instead of a confirmation form I just get a blank entry form again |
| 18:19 |
|
Sharon |
Liz is going to look into it, too. |
| 18:25 |
|
JoeTho |
Ours has never worked. |
| 18:26 |
|
JoeTho |
Let me clarify: emailing a list has never worked. Koha itself just started to quit working in the last 36 hours or so. |
| 18:46 |
|
liz_nekls |
ours is totally working |
| 18:47 |
|
liz_nekls |
was a problem with the template (I know you're all shocked to hear this) |
| 18:47 |
|
liz_nekls |
(the send list/cart/shelf thing) |
| 18:48 |
|
liz_nekls |
and the koha installer is a whole lot better documented than it used to be. Kudos to whoever did that. |
| 18:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
liz_nekls: so emailing lists is working for you now? |
| 18:59 |
|
liz_nekls |
gmcharlt: yes, I believe so. I was at lunch when they decided to pursue it. :/ |
| 18:59 |
|
liz_nekls |
i'm like, DOH, lemme take a look! |
| 19:23 |
|
Sharon |
That angry icon is directed at me, the impulsive one... |
| 19:30 |
|
pianohacker |
Is there anyone currently online interested in the new sysprefs editor? I have a demo up |
| 19:32 |
|
pianohacker |
http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]nces.pl?tab=admin (some tabs have not yet been finished) |
| 19:32 |
|
pianohacker |
Ach, http://weaverhome.rlogin.org:8[…]nces.pl?tab=admin |
| 19:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
you forget to mention the worm you wrote that distributes Koha *everywhere*? ;) |
| 19:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
pianohacker: when you modify a value, then modify it again, another "(modified)" gets added underneath |
| 19:34 |
|
danny |
pianohacker, i am definitely interested in it, do you have anywhere that I can "git" it from to try? |
| 19:35 |
|
pianohacker |
gmcharlt: Yes, I can see that happening. Lemme fix that really quick |
| 19:35 |
|
pianohacker |
danny: My git repository is currently not public. I will be sending a patch to the mailing list within a week or so, tho |
| 19:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
pianohacker: "Save all" button should just be "save" - otherwise user might think that all settings modified on the page will be saved, which doesn't appear to be the case |
| 19:36 |
|
pianohacker |
gmcharlt: Save is disabled for the public demo |
| 19:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
but it really is "save all"? in that case, a single save all button (or one at top, and one at bottom) would be clearer |
| 19:38 |
|
danny |
oh and that reminds me, does anyone know if the acq changes that biblibre is working on are available on a public git? |
| 19:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
or rather, match the common pattern for a preferences page |
| 19:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
danny: they're in a git repo, but I'm not sure how public - you can ask paul_p or hdl |
| 19:38 |
|
danny |
ok |
| 19:39 |
|
pianohacker |
gmcharlt: That would be more consistent; the main reasoning behind the change was convenience, but I suppose that can wait until I've gotten AJAX and per-preference saving working. |
| 19:41 |
|
liz_nekls |
pianohacker: very, very good ideas all around. |
| 19:44 |
|
Sharon |
pianohacker much easier to understand the sysprefs using this 'normal' language |
| 19:44 |
|
pianohacker |
liz_nekls, Sharon: glad you like it |
| 19:49 |
|
JoeTho |
piano: so... is the only difference with the indep. branch settings just being able to modify bib/items/patrons in other libraries? I thought there was more than that, like how holds and transfers work. |
| 19:49 |
|
JoeTho |
I also like leaving out the link on each line (as compared to the current module). |
| 19:50 |
|
gmcharlt |
JoeTho: yes, IndependantBranches also affects circ |
| 19:51 |
|
pianohacker |
IndependantBranches actually affects quite a lot, still trying to figure out the best description |
| 19:52 |
|
JoeTho |
the old wording as pretty minimal. |
| 19:52 |
|
JoeTho |
*was |
| 19:54 |
|
JoeTho |
how about: "enable/disable *independent branch settings* " ...and make *that* a popup that explains this, in more detail than you have room for in a single line on the prefs page? |
| 19:56 |
|
pianohacker |
Hmm |
| 19:57 |
|
pianohacker |
Either that, or a "More Info" link that expanded within that space. |
| 19:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
+1 |
| 19:58 |
|
liz_nekls |
I like "More Info" |
| 19:59 |
|
nick |
if i configure koha to save pdf documents for example |
| 19:59 |
|
liz_nekls |
in fact, more info is probably a good idea for lots of settings that |
| 19:59 |
|
liz_nekls |
have complicated repercussions |
| 19:59 |
|
nick |
can i retrieve them and read them whenever i want? |
| 19:59 |
|
pianohacker |
In fact, in line with the current system, textareas behave this way: http://weaverhome.rlogin.org:8[…]l?tab=cataloguing |
| 20:00 |
|
pianohacker |
ISBD or NoZebraIndexes |
| 20:00 |
|
pianohacker |
nick: How do you mean saving PDFs? Exporting various reports as PDFs? |
| 20:01 |
|
nick |
the library i want to create |
| 20:01 |
|
nick |
is a collection of documents |
| 20:01 |
|
nick |
a collection of PDFs |
| 20:01 |
|
nick |
can i save them in the library? |
| 20:02 |
|
pianohacker |
Ahh, okay. Koha currently does not support storing PDFs inside itself. You would have to link to them in the 856u MARC field. |
| 20:02 |
|
pianohacker |
And store them either on a webserver or within a program such as Kete |
| 20:03 |
|
nick |
ok, good. thanks for directing me |
| 20:03 |
|
nick |
my second question, |
| 20:04 |
|
nick |
using the library, i can search for documents and as a result i will get a link, right? |
| 20:04 |
|
liz_nekls |
nick: it would be neat if koha did that but... would kind of turn it into a CMS and... well I'm not going to put a value judgement on that but would be a big change |
| 20:04 |
|
pianohacker |
nick: Do you mean having that linked url show up in search results? |
| 20:05 |
|
pianohacker |
I know it will show up on the detail page for a given document, but not sure about the search results page |
| 20:05 |
|
nick |
i want to know if i will get a url in the search results? |
| 20:06 |
|
JoeTho |
pianacker: I just took a quick tour, and the "more info" idea could be used in all sorts of places throughout the prefs. Tons. |
| 20:06 |
|
nick |
liz_nekls: what are those CMS? |
| 20:07 |
|
pianohacker |
JoeTho: Ehh, true. I'll probably send in the first patch with More Info where it's absolutely necessary, however |
| 20:07 |
|
nick |
content management system? |
| 20:07 |
|
pianohacker |
nick: yes |
| 20:07 |
|
JoeTho |
pianohacker: even better: make 'em link to the general corresponding area of the docs, so if the docs change you don't need to alter your code. |
| 20:07 |
|
nick |
so maybe guys you can tell me what is the best for my case |
| 20:07 |
|
nick |
i need to save documents in a database |
| 20:08 |
|
JoeTho |
you are a rocketscientist, jesse. |
| 20:08 |
|
nick |
i need an interface for this database where i can search for documents |
| 20:08 |
|
nick |
and have the ability to read them |
| 20:09 |
|
pianohacker |
I think that would actually be fairly easy, since nengard already has a page in the manual for each tab. Good idea, let me send an email to her asking about that |
| 20:09 |
|
nick |
do i need koha or a cms system? |
| 20:10 |
|
liz_nekls |
You want to store PDF documents online, but be able to MARC catalog them? |
| 20:10 |
|
liz_nekls |
er, AND = but |
| 20:11 |
|
liz_nekls |
re: nick |
| 20:11 |
|
nick |
i want to store PDF documents in a database and have the ability to search the database for documents by keywords and read them |
| 20:12 |
|
liz_nekls |
my instinct says you probably want a CMS |
| 20:12 |
|
liz_nekls |
drupal, joomla |
| 20:12 |
|
liz_nekls |
if you only care about keywords |
| 20:12 |
|
nick |
thought that Koha would be the solution |
| 20:12 |
|
nick |
actually yes |
| 20:13 |
|
nick |
i care about little stuff, like keywords |
| 20:13 |
|
nick |
those drupal and joomla are open source? |
| 20:13 |
|
nick |
work under ubuntu? |
| 20:15 |
|
liz_nekls |
should |
| 20:15 |
|
pianohacker |
nick: Yes to both |
| 20:15 |
|
nick |
which one do u suggest to begin with? |
| 20:16 |
|
liz_nekls |
well, if you had historical documents that needed to be properly cataloged using some flavor of MARC, and had a separate place to keep them to link to, then Koha would be great for you |
| 20:16 |
|
nick |
more documented maybe? |
| 20:16 |
|
nick |
liz_nekls: that is a great idea |
| 20:16 |
|
nick |
i would keep that in mind |
| 20:17 |
|
liz_nekls |
idk, both joomla and drupal have pretty active communities |
| 20:18 |
|
liz_nekls |
I'd have a hard time ranking them as which is "better" |
| 20:18 |
|
liz_nekls |
it's mostly preference |
| 20:19 |
|
nick |
as long they work on ubuntu 8.04 |
| 20:19 |
|
nick |
i already have installed koha successfully |
| 20:19 |
|
liz_nekls |
(which is no small feat on ubuntu, kudos to you) |
| 20:20 |
|
liz_nekls |
in my experience both will work on any LAMP config |
| 20:20 |
|
nick |
i tried koha on redhat 5 |
| 20:21 |
|
nick |
it was a disaster |
| 20:21 |
|
liz_nekls |
*shudder* |
| 20:21 |
|
nick |
once i moved to ubuntu, everything was much easier |
| 20:21 |
|
pianohacker |
I generally try to shy away from rpm-based distros in general :) |
| 20:21 |
|
nick |
so i am gonna stick to ubuntu |
| 20:21 |
|
liz_nekls |
probably wise :) |
| 20:21 |
|
nick |
my experience with linux is back to suse 9 |
| 20:21 |
|
liz_nekls |
debian is the most common distro for koha |
| 20:22 |
|
liz_nekls |
(which of course ubuntu is based upon) |
| 20:22 |
|
nick |
i am familiar to rpms as redhat |
| 20:22 |
|
nick |
but it's not worth it |
| 20:22 |
|
liz_nekls |
(I luvs me some apt-get) |
| 20:22 |
|
JoeTho |
there is a pretty good ubuntu tootorial for koha |
| 20:23 |
|
liz_nekls |
yea, that documentation is getting better. Would have really helped me a year or so ago. ^.^ |
| 20:23 |
|
nick |
the tutorial is good yeah |
| 20:23 |
|
nick |
didn't deal with CMS before |
| 20:24 |
|
nick |
hope i can manage |
| 20:26 |
|
liz_nekls |
if you can do koha, you can do joomla or drupal |
| 20:27 |
|
liz_nekls |
er, if you can manage koha, you can manage joomla or drupal (my opinion of course) |
| 20:27 |
|
nick |
PDF or word documents can be saved in drupal and joomla, right? |
| 20:28 |
|
pianohacker |
nick: Almost surely, but it would be good to check |
| 20:28 |
|
liz_nekls |
yep. |
| 20:28 |
|
liz_nekls |
honestly I'd just download them both and fiddle around with them |
| 20:30 |
|
nick |
i downloaded drupal |
| 20:30 |
|
nick |
i will start with it first |
| 20:31 |
|
liz_nekls |
:) sounds like a plan |
| 20:34 |
|
nick |
thanks for everything |
| 20:36 |
|
nick |
bye for now |
| 21:07 |
|
joetho2 |
whoops |
| 21:08 |
|
pianohacker |
joetho2: Were you at KohaCon? I think we might have met, but I don't know your real name |
| 21:08 |
|
liz_nekls |
pianohacker: yea, he threw plastic food at you |
| 21:09 |
|
pianohacker |
Ahh, of course. Suddenly, my memory becomes quite vivid |
| 21:14 |
|
joetho2 |
joetho2 and joetho are one and the same, just trying out my client prefs. And I didn't throw food, not really. Rubber food doesn't count. |
| 21:16 |
|
liz_nekls |
Weren't you the one assaulting the rubber food at Fruit King as well? |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
back |
| 23:10 |
|
richard |
back in nz? |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 23:11 |
|
richard |
wb :) |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
thanks |
| 23:18 |
|
pianohacker |
Hello, glad you made it home safely |
| 23:19 |
|
chris |
thanks, and you too :) |
| 23:19 |
|
brendan |
hey chris -- glad you made it ok |
| 23:20 |
|
brendan |
tired or wide awake? |
| 23:20 |
|
chris |
thanks brendan, you still in new mexico? |
| 23:20 |
|
chris |
tired by trying to stay awake |
| 23:20 |
|
brendan |
no I made it home early this moring |
| 23:20 |
|
brendan |
but i was able to get some good new mexician food the other day! |
| 23:20 |
|
brendan |
worth the drive - it was so good. |
| 23:21 |
|
chris |
hehe excellent |
| 23:28 |
|
pianohacker |
Useful tool for keeping track of the various Koha developer locales: http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]s=805,176,136,264 |
| 23:29 |
|
chris |
ohh very cool |
| 23:36 |
|
pianohacker |
How long was your flight? |
| 23:37 |
|
chris |
3 hours from dallas to la, then 13 from la to auckland, then 1 from auckland to wellington |
| 23:38 |
|
pianohacker |
So 18 hours of flying plus delays. You manage to get any sleep? |
| 23:38 |
|
chris |
yeah i got to the airport in dallas pretty early too, got a ride with david, so went with all the others |
| 23:39 |
|
chris |
got a couple of hours on the flight |
| 23:47 |
|
jwagner |
gmcharlt, online? |
| 23:57 |
|
chris |
hi Jane_Wagner |
| 23:57 |
|
chris |
bye |
| 00:30 |
|
chris |
hmm different isp brendan? |
| 00:44 |
|
brendan |
I switch from the office to home... |
| 00:44 |
|
brendan |
different isp's |
| 00:44 |
|
brendan |
but I should be getting screen set up on my server's sometime soon |
| 00:45 |
|
chris |
sweet :) |
| 00:45 |
|
chris |
screen rules |
| 02:53 |
|
chris |
gah its only 3pm and im falling asleep |
| 03:05 |
|
brendan |
chris time for some of the peanut butter I know you snuck back with you ;) |
| 03:06 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 03:21 |
|
chris |
brendan: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]p?g2_itemId=69664 |
| 03:25 |
|
brendan |
thanks chris -- sonja and I enjoyed! |
| 03:25 |
|
brendan |
got a decent action shot |
| 03:26 |
|
chris |
im just putting up the videos now |
| 03:26 |
|
chris |
yeah my camera is not good in the low light |
| 03:26 |
|
chris |
but a couple turned out ok |
| 03:29 |
|
chris |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]ture=channel_page |
| 03:30 |
|
brendan |
oh man that was so bad on the ears... I've never heard take me out to the ball game on bag pipes before -- I wonder why? |
| 03:30 |
|
chris |
hehe yeah, it wasnt pleasant |
| 03:30 |
|
chris |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]ture=channel_page |
| 03:31 |
|
brendan |
the fireworks look pretty cool |
| 03:33 |
|
chris |
yeah turned out suprising well |
| 03:33 |
|
chris |
it was a good night |
| 03:33 |
|
chris |
if i lived in the US, id be a baseball fan im sure |
| 03:35 |
|
brendan |
:) |
| 03:39 |
|
SelfishMan |
ugh...bag pipes |
| 03:48 |
|
chris |
SelfishMan: i had a lot of fun hanging out with the montanians (is that even a word) during the conference |
| 03:49 |
|
SelfishMan |
Well that's cool |
| 03:49 |
|
SelfishMan |
I think we prefer the term "rednecks" though |
| 03:50 |
|
SelfishMan |
I might get kicked out of the state for saying that |
| 03:50 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 04:09 |
|
pianohacker |
'allo again |
| 04:10 |
|
chris |
heya pianohacker |
| 04:10 |
|
pianohacker |
hey |
| 04:10 |
|
pianohacker |
What's work having you do today? |
| 04:11 |
|
chris |
take the day off |
| 04:11 |
|
chris |
because anything i type today, will be garbage :) |
| 04:11 |
|
pianohacker |
Heh, no kidding |
| 04:12 |
|
pianohacker |
Flying even short distances is exhausting; I know I felt better after a six-hour drive yesterday than I feel after most three-hour flights |
| 04:13 |
|
chris |
the flights i dont mind, its the airports i hate |
| 04:13 |
|
pianohacker |
Are they as bad in NZ? |
| 04:14 |
|
chris |
no, you are allowed to make a joke in nz, and they wont beat you up or shoot you :) |
| 04:14 |
|
pianohacker |
Hah! An improvement over the US, then |
| 04:14 |
|
chris |
althought having said that, everyone was a lot more pleasant than the last time i was flying in the US |
| 04:15 |
|
chris |
i even got a few smiles |
| 04:15 |
|
pianohacker |
Paranoia's probably descended a tad. When were you last over here? |
| 04:15 |
|
chris |
and dfw had free internet and power |
| 04:15 |
|
chris |
2006 |
| 04:15 |
|
chris |
actually no, 2007 |
| 04:15 |
|
pianohacker |
Ah, okay |
| 04:16 |
|
pianohacker |
So not as noticable as say, 2002 |
| 04:16 |
|
chris |
yeah, i still get fingerprinted and photo's taken |
| 04:16 |
|
chris |
there was none of that pre 2002 |
| 04:18 |
|
chris |
the big coincidence was that on my flight from dallas, was a woman who was moving to nz |
| 04:19 |
|
chris |
so at least i had someone to hang out with in LA |
| 04:20 |
|
pianohacker |
Heh, yeah |
| 04:20 |
|
pianohacker |
Always nice to find a pocket of familiarity |
| 04:23 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 04:28 |
|
chris |
pianohacker: you saw the photos of you on flickr? |
| 04:28 |
|
chris |
heh, |
| 04:50 |
|
pianohacker |
I really need to spend some time setting up irssi/screen. If not on a server, at least on my machine |
| 04:50 |
|
pianohacker |
Pidgin is starting to get tiresome |
| 04:51 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: Yes, I did, thanks |
| 04:51 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 06:41 |
|
elwell |
piano^I damn not here |
| 06:41 |
|
elwell |
irssi+screen ftw as they say. |
| 07:35 |
|
chris |
hi nahuel |
| 07:37 |
|
nahuel |
hey ! |
| 07:37 |
|
nahuel |
chris, your plane was great ? |
| 07:37 |
|
chris |
it was ok :) how was yours? |
| 07:38 |
|
nahuel |
too long |
| 07:38 |
|
nahuel |
and can't sleep |
| 07:39 |
|
nahuel |
and too much controled |
| 07:39 |
|
nahuel |
every time : the shoes, the bag, the laptop, the papers |
| 07:39 |
|
nahuel |
i prefer the train :) |
| 07:47 |
|
eiro |
hello kohackers |
| 07:53 |
|
chris |
hi paul and eiro |
| 07:53 |
|
elwell |
are there any more slides avalable than those on http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]conferenceprogram ? |
| 07:54 |
|
chris |
the conference organising people are putting them all up and linking them in, should be all up there along with the video in the next few days |
| 07:54 |
|
elwell |
cool ta |
| 07:58 |
|
chris |
nahuel: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]p?g2_itemId=69678 |
| 07:59 |
|
nahuel |
ahah |
| 07:59 |
|
nahuel |
beer time ! |
| 07:59 |
|
nahuel |
base ball time ! |
| 08:00 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 08:04 |
|
nahuel |
i'll put my photos online tonight |
| 08:04 |
|
chris |
cool |
