| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:33 |
|
owen |
Hi #koha |
| 12:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi owen, #koha |
| 12:36 |
|
paul_p |
good morning USA ! |
| 12:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
Bon apr?s-midi |
| 12:38 |
|
paul_p |
thanks gmcharlt ;-) |
| 12:38 |
|
paul_p |
après-midi to spell it correctly (I see a ? instead of the è) |
| 12:39 |
|
paul_p |
window open, birds singing. spring weather in Marseille ;-) |
| 12:39 |
|
jwagner |
It's still spring for one more day in the Washington DC area, but winter is supposed to return tomorrow :-( |
| 12:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: heh - accent looks OK in my IRC client, must not have been transmitted |
| 12:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: I checked, and your 007 patch didn't apply against 3.1/HEAD - you may need to rebase and resubmit |
| 12:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
have you had an luck getting outgoing email opened up? |
| 12:53 |
|
jwagner |
gmcharlt, does something need to be modified in the patch? I'll have to check to see if that machine's email is open yet, but I can copy the patch to another system & email it from there, at least. |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: just make sure your patch is against a branch off of head, not 3.0.x (you may need to cherry-pick it into your head branch if you originally did it for 3.0.x) |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
then do |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
git fetch |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
git rebase origin |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
git format-patch origin |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
finally git send-email or email patch as attachment again |
| 12:55 |
|
jwagner |
OK, I'll try to get that done later today. Thanks. |
| 13:02 |
|
soul9 |
origin? |
| 13:03 |
|
soul9 |
hmm, isn't it origin/master? or is that used by default for <branchname>, |
| 13:03 |
|
soul9 |
? |
| 13:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
origin == origin/master |
| 13:04 |
|
soul9 |
ok |
| 14:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: about? |
| 14:41 |
|
hdl_laptop |
yes |
| 14:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
have you had a look at the patch I sent you to remove the bulk editing code |
| 14:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
if you've no objections, I'll push it soon |
| 14:43 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I have read. |
| 14:43 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I have no objections. |
| 14:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
thanks |
| 14:46 |
|
danny |
morning #koha |
| 14:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi danny |
| 16:06 |
|
pianohacker |
Hello |
| 16:07 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hello pianohacker |
| 16:08 |
|
pianohacker |
hey henri |
| 16:08 |
|
pianohacker |
How are you? |
| 16:16 |
|
brendan |
good morning #koha |
| 16:17 |
|
brendan |
well at least it's still morning here! |
| 16:24 |
|
owen |
Where's here brendan? |
| 16:25 |
|
brendan |
santa barbara california -- |
| 16:25 |
|
brendan |
socal |
| 16:25 |
|
brendan |
southern california... so I can't ever complain about the weather. |
| 16:25 |
|
owen |
Whereas here in Ohio we can almost always complain about the weather |
| 16:26 |
|
brendan |
yeah -- I went to college in richmond indiana - so I've got an idea about the weather. |
| 16:27 |
|
brendan |
owen - you in athens? |
| 16:27 |
|
brendan |
I went to a few halloween parties there. good times. |
| 16:27 |
|
owen |
I'm nearby there. I work in Nelsonville, about 15 min. away |
| 16:28 |
|
paul_p |
bye world, time to leave for us frenchies (7PM quickly coming) |
| 16:28 |
|
brendan |
bye paul_p |
| 16:54 |
|
schuster |
Question about Z39.50 setup - what "port" does LibLime run our locally hosted implementations on? - for send/receive? |
| 16:58 |
|
pianohacker |
schuster: Most likely 210 or 9999 |
| 17:00 |
|
schuster |
Thanks I'll try that. I was at a presentation by Terry Reese - MarcEdit - and he talked about using it directly with Koha so was playing with it. |
| 17:05 |
|
pianohacker |
Oh I see |
| 17:09 |
|
schuster |
Is there a way from the server that I can tell how it was configured? |
| 17:20 |
|
hdl_laptop |
yes |
| 17:20 |
|
hdl_laptop |
you can see koha-conf.xml |
| 17:21 |
|
pianohacker |
You might have to have LibLime set up a user that can write records through Z39.50, not sure Zebra comes with that by default |
| 17:21 |
|
schuster |
OK yes I found that. Thank you both for the information... |
| 17:43 |
|
schuster |
I was able to make it work with MarcEdit - just needed some login/password information... Kinda scary. |
| 17:52 |
|
jwagner |
schuster, can you give details on how you got MarcEdit to work thru z39.50? That could be useful (and may need to be secured). Thanks. |
| 17:57 |
|
schuster |
I got the database information from the koha-conf.xml - file - server, database, user/password and port. |
| 17:58 |
|
schuster |
I have been able to search the database - but not send records back to the server... Theoretically that can be done as well. |
| 17:59 |
|
jwagner |
For port, was it the 9999 one? |
| 17:59 |
|
schuster |
The database/password information is not something I setup, but LibLime had setup for the biblios database within the mysql database. |
| 17:59 |
|
schuster |
one of the 999's but for security reasons I hesitate to tell you ;) |
| 18:00 |
|
jwagner |
Probably wise. That's enough to let me track it down. I think it's locked down on my server (which is A Good Thing) but I wanted to check. Thanks! |
| 19:33 |
|
owen |
Has anyone here used the "Anonymize check-out history" feature in production? |
| 19:49 |
|
schuster |
Nope - let me know how that works for you! |
| 19:53 |
|
owen |
:) I'm a little scared to try it |
| 19:54 |
|
Crusoe |
hello! |
| 19:55 |
|
schuster |
Owen - at one point in time when I asked during training they said don't use it...;( |
| 19:55 |
|
owen |
Hmmm... good to know. |
| 19:55 |
|
owen |
Hi Crusoe |
| 19:56 |
|
Crusoe |
Is there a way to have a local copy of koha-manual? |
| 19:57 |
|
Crusoe |
in html, pdfs are not linked to both toc and each other |
| 19:57 |
|
schuster |
Crusoe - not that I know of yet. I know they are working on moving it to Plone. |
| 20:08 |
|
danny |
anyone still around that wants to talk amazon cover art? |
| 20:37 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 20:37 |
|
danny |
hi chris |
| 20:39 |
|
chris |
no takers for your cover art huh? |
| 20:39 |
|
danny |
hehe I'll send an email to devel list |
| 20:39 |
|
chris |
good plan |
| 20:40 |
|
danny |
just trying to brainstorm the best way to do it, or if it is even worth doing at all |
| 20:40 |
|
chris |
doing what? |
| 20:44 |
|
chris |
getting cover images from amazon, or extending the amazon support in koha? |
| 20:44 |
|
chris |
cos if its the first, you can already do that :) |
| 20:47 |
|
danny |
i'd like to see more cover art pulled from amazon for titles that have don't have an isbn and the only way to do this is to do a lookup using the Amazon Web Services xml |
| 20:48 |
|
chris |
ahh right |
| 20:48 |
|
chris |
bit of a performance kill |
| 20:48 |
|
danny |
so i was thinking about 2 solutions to this, the first is that every time an image is pulled from amazon we'd have to do an xml lookup and that would ... yes exactly |
| 20:48 |
|
danny |
that is like 20 requests on the search result page |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 20:49 |
|
danny |
and even several on the details page because of the browse shelf and editions tab |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 20:50 |
|
danny |
the other was to include the ASIN in the database and when records are imported or created the asin could be looked up and would only ever be done once |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
you could retrofit too |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
if no asin, try finding it |
| 20:51 |
|
danny |
right |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
maybe just one the staff side |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
on even |
| 20:52 |
|
chris |
so that each time a librarian looks at an item, if it doesnt have an asin its added then |
| 20:52 |
|
chris |
so no slowing down the opac |
| 20:56 |
|
danny |
thats true or could include a tool for the staff to just populate all asins at once, that would help the existing koha installations |
| 20:56 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 20:58 |
|
danny |
do you think it is worth it to go through all that trouble just to overcome the shortfalls of pulling images from Amazon |
| 20:59 |
|
danny |
or just accept that their current system doesn't make this easy |
| 20:59 |
|
chris |
i think amazon still has the largest amount of freely available cover art |
| 20:59 |
|
danny |
right |
| 20:59 |
|
chris |
so it might be worth it, just because of that, until google passes it that is :) |
| 21:01 |
|
danny |
ya, I guess it kinda just feels like doing a hack, instead of doing it right |
| 21:01 |
|
danny |
although it can always be updated or removed in the future |
| 21:02 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 21:02 |
|
chris |
hacks are fine, as long as they are documented as such :) |
| 21:03 |
|
atz |
I don't think you can rely on 100% correct ASIN grabbing |
| 21:03 |
|
atz |
probably 95+%, but not 100% |
| 21:04 |
|
danny |
atz, do you mean that some titles would have the wrong cover art? |
| 21:04 |
|
chris |
doing as part of a human process, so you get shown the cover image when cataloguing |
| 21:04 |
|
atz |
yes |
| 21:04 |
|
chris |
would be a way around that, letting the librarian go .. no thats wrong |
| 21:05 |
|
atz |
yeah, that would be best |
| 21:05 |
|
chris |
whats the legality of taking photos of items? |
| 21:06 |
|
chris |
probably copyright infringement, with the sentence of death or something ridiculous |
| 21:06 |
|
atz |
chris: you mean to display in the opac? or submit to Amazon "customer photos" ? |
| 21:06 |
|
chris |
display in the opac |
| 21:07 |
|
chris |
im thinking you have one in your hand, you cant find a match via isbn or asin .. can you take a photo yourself and serve that instead (techinically its easy .. but i bet not legally) |
| 21:10 |
|
atz |
chris: i don't see any legal problem with that |
| 21:10 |
|
atz |
it's a representation of the item, same as if you were posting it on ebay |
| 21:11 |
|
chris |
yep, common sense .. i fear the lawyers would spaz about it tho, if it make sense it's probably illegal is my rule of thumb when it comes to copyright :) |
| 21:11 |
|
elwell |
imho it's also a useful record of the item condition... |
| 21:13 |
|
danny |
atz, jumping back to your comment about not relying on ASIN, wouldn't it be easier to automate grabbing the ASIN and then just have a way for the librarian to remove one if incorrect, otherwise when the patch would be applied to existing installations they would have a lot of blank cover art from amazon until they visited each item |
| 21:14 |
|
atz |
danny: i prefer not to ever knowingly allow bad data as part of an automatic step |
| 21:14 |
|
atz |
it causes people to get suspicious about the system |
| 21:15 |
|
atz |
and if it wasn't automatic, then the responsibility is still the catalogers |
| 21:16 |
|
danny |
ok I understand your concern |
| 21:18 |
|
danny |
i guess I was just looking at it like the benefit of possibly tripling the amount of art work would be worth possibly having a few items with incorrect art |
| 21:19 |
|
atz |
i think the libraries without professional catalogers would agree with you |
| 21:19 |
|
atz |
(and the professional catalogers wouldn't) |
| 21:20 |
|
danny |
i am not sure what the % of error would be, after all you are matching based on standard numbers, ean, upc, etc |
| 21:20 |
|
danny |
if the number is wrong in the record then that is the responsibility of the cataloger |
| 21:27 |
|
danny |
i love brainstorming though :) ty guys for the feedback |
| 21:28 |
|
danny |
given me a few more things to think about |
| 02:46 |
|
Legendario |
chris, r u online? |
| 03:30 |
|
Amit |
hi chris, mason, brendan |
| 03:30 |
|
mason |
heya amit |
| 03:30 |
|
Amit |
hi bignose-work |
| 03:30 |
|
Amit |
heya mason |
| 03:30 |
|
Amit |
tommorrow i m going to mysore for seminar |
| 03:32 |
|
brendan |
heya Amit -- good luck tomorrow |
| 03:32 |
|
Amit |
thanx |
| 07:02 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi chris |
| 07:06 |
|
chris |
hiya hdl_laptop |
| 07:06 |
|
chris |
did you get an email from a user wishing to set up a brazilian mailing list for koha? |
| 07:16 |
|
hdl_laptop |
mmm got it but misread it |
| 07:17 |
|
hdl_laptop |
thanks for pointing that |
| 07:21 |
|
kf |
good morning chris and hdl |
| 07:23 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi kf |
| 07:24 |
|
hdl_laptop |
chris : done |
| 07:26 |
|
chris |
cool :) |
| 07:27 |
|
chris |
so i say 2010 kohacon in wellington, 2011 in india and 2012 in brazil, 2013 in germany |
| 07:27 |
|
chris |
:-) |
| 07:29 |
|
kf |
g |
| 07:29 |
|
kf |
2013 - gives me some time then |
| 07:32 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hehe kf |
| 07:35 |
|
kf |
hm. cant delete a library in 3.2? get message 'library deleted' but it remains |
| 07:36 |
|
kf |
ah ok, its bug 2882 |
| 07:40 |
|
chris |
yes, enough time to prepare lots of bratwurst and bier :) |
| 07:41 |
|
chris |
speaking of bugs has anyone else noticed bugzilla is not mailing bugs.koha.org anymore? |
| 07:41 |
|
Amit |
wow chris 2011 in india |
| 07:41 |
|
Amit |
is good |
| 07:41 |
|
chris |
amit: im mostly joking :) |
| 07:41 |
|
Amit |
i think delhi public library is also planning in sep 2209 |
| 07:41 |
|
Amit |
sory |
| 07:41 |
|
kf |
chris: can arrange that ;) |
| 07:41 |
|
Amit |
2009 |
| 07:41 |
|
chris |
amit: but I think it would be good :) |
| 07:42 |
|
Amit |
yes |
| 07:42 |
|
Amit |
yes |
| 07:42 |
|
Amit |
in india it would be good |
| 07:42 |
|
kf |
chris: last mail 2009-03-18? |
| 07:43 |
|
chris |
yes |
| 07:43 |
|
chris |
amit: yes definitely |
| 07:44 |
|
Amit |
if u can chris i would say my boss too 2011 in india |
| 07:47 |
|
chris |
kf: it looks like that patch stan added to that bug report would fix it |
| 07:47 |
|
chris |
i wonder if it was submitted to the patches list |
| 07:48 |
|
kf |
i fixed it by deleting borrowers, its just the message thats confusing - so there are wore bugs |
| 07:48 |
|
kf |
worse |
| 08:11 |
|
chris |
yeah the fix on the bug is to warn you there are borrowers attached |
| 08:17 |
|
chris |
hdl_laptop: it is my fathers 65th birthday this saturday .. he just chose the restarant for it |
| 08:18 |
|
chris |
Le Marche Francais |
| 08:18 |
|
chris |
http://www.lemarchefrancais.co.nz/ |
| 08:18 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hehe... |
| 08:18 |
|
chris |
so I will be eating french cuisine this weekend :) I will be remembering the cafe in marseille (where we took photos with the owner) |
| 08:19 |
|
hdl_laptop |
he is a man of taste.... |
| 08:19 |
|
eiro |
that makes me remember Providence: the name of the cafe in the rail station is names "La France" |
| 08:19 |
|
eiro |
:) |
| 08:19 |
|
eiro |
hello all |
| 08:20 |
|
chris |
hi eiro |
| 08:20 |
|
chris |
change your nick to confuse me? :-) |
| 08:21 |
|
eiro |
oopps: FYI: i'm mc (i changed my nickname to have the same one on every networks) |
| 08:21 |
|
chris |
yep, whois told me |
| 08:21 |
|
eiro |
chris, no ... i let my old nick down |
| 08:21 |
|
eiro |
hehe |
| 08:22 |
|
eiro |
my former nick was khatar but noone can pronounce it ... |
| 08:25 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 08:25 |
|
chris |
my friend penny has mjollnir as her nick :) |
| 08:25 |
|
chris |
thats hard to pronounce |
| 08:30 |
|
eiro |
it looks like :) |
| 08:30 |
|
hdl_laptop |
iirc, mjollnir is a name in Lord Of the ring is it nott ? |
| 08:32 |
|
chris |
its from norse legends .... the name of the hammer of Thor |
| 08:33 |
|
hdl_laptop |
thanks. |
| 08:33 |
|
hdl_laptop |
you're right |
| 08:34 |
|
chris |
she used to sit near me at work, but now lives in switzerland |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
http://she.geek.nz/ |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
if you ever want to know anything about moodle ... she knows tons and tons :) |
| 08:37 |
|
chris |
finally up to 2009 |
| 08:37 |
|
nicomo |
hi chris |
| 08:37 |
|
chris |
hi nicomo |
| 08:37 |
|
nicomo |
i like you detailed Koha chronology a lot |
| 08:38 |
|
nicomo |
could you add informations about companies involved |
| 08:38 |
|
nicomo |
you mention closure of LL NZ |
| 08:38 |
|
nicomo |
but not creation of LL itself (or else I missed it) |
| 08:38 |
|
nicomo |
etc |
| 08:38 |
|
nicomo |
that would be interesting too |
| 08:39 |
|
chris |
http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]docs/history.txt; |
| 08:39 |
|
chris |
is the most up to date, i push up to github usually once a day |
| 08:39 |
|
chris |
yep I plan to accept patches :) |
| 08:40 |
|
chris |
or people can just tell me what to add (if they dont want to clone and send patches) |
| 08:40 |
|
kf |
chris: found something strange: look at 7 January 6 2001 and 27 December 16 2000 |
| 08:40 |
|
chris |
when was biblibre officially formed? |
| 08:41 |
|
chris |
April 14 2005, Liblime announce they are providing Koha support |
| 08:41 |
|
chris |
I have that for liblime, im not sure when they were formed, but that was their first email to the list |
| 08:42 |
|
kf |
December 16 2000, Glen Stewart sends the first patch for Koha (outside of Katipo) |
| 08:42 |
|
kf |
January 6 2001, Steve Tonnesen becomes the 5th committer to Koha and the first outside of Katipo |
| 08:42 |
|
si |
HLT send out RFP, no responses that would actually work over dialup links |
| 08:42 |
|
chris |
ta si |
| 08:42 |
|
nicomo |
BibLibre created oct. 2007 |
| 08:42 |
|
nicomo |
don't now the official day |
| 08:42 |
|
si |
or that made commercial sense :-) |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
kf: ahh yes Glen stewart emailed me some code .. Steve Tonnessen was the 1st person outside of katipo to get commit access to the cvs repository |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
how can I word that more clearly |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
that was Tourism industry association |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
not Koha |
| 08:43 |
|
si |
cumulative... |
| 08:43 |
|
si |
:-) |
| 08:44 |
|
kf |
ah, ok :) I did not get the differene |
| 08:44 |
|
si |
speaking of stress sty's, I note that the server running this here ircd is throwing disk errors |
| 08:45 |
|
si |
so we might have a few bounces in the next 36 hours while I fix that |
| 08:45 |
|
chris |
added biblibre, and fixed the rfp bit |
| 08:46 |
|
chris |
si: ahh ok |
| 08:46 |
|
si |
or it might get ignored until Easter |
| 08:47 |
|
chris |
did I ever show you the swollen eye stress thing I got in 2007? |
| 08:48 |
|
si |
you kept it? |
| 08:48 |
|
si |
no :-) |
| 08:48 |
|
si |
that would be after leaving Katipo, I'm guessing/ |
| 08:48 |
|
si |
? |
| 08:48 |
|
nicomo |
wonders when did Nelsonville go live with Koha? |
| 08:48 |
|
chris |
I thought I put that in there.... |
| 08:49 |
|
si |
they'd been running for some time before Chris's wedding |
| 08:49 |
|
chris |
si: yep some time in may 2007 |
| 08:49 |
|
chris |
http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=8767 <-- looking particularly handsome that day hehe |
| 08:50 |
|
chris |
nicomo: August 19 2003, NPL announces they are live with Koha |
| 08:50 |
|
nicomo |
pff : I must be the one with Swollen eyes |
| 08:50 |
|
nicomo |
didn't spot it |
| 08:50 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 08:51 |
|
si |
hey! Rosalie's a LIANZA fellow? |
| 08:51 |
|
si |
Who knew |
| 08:51 |
|
chris |
its lucky someone is writing this stuff down :P |
| 08:51 |
|
si |
gack, isn't it just |
| 08:53 |
|
chris |
my next dilemna is what format to keep this file in, i might start tab separating it |
| 08:54 |
|
chris |
or go mental and laTex it :) |
| 08:54 |
|
chris |
si: good point :) "how hard can it be?" |
| 08:55 |
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si |
stop that |
| 08:56 |
|
si |
or I'll tell your son your old tramping stories |
| 08:56 |
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chris |
heh |
| 08:56 |
|
chris |
speaking of sons, i saw ben and toby at the wiggles on saturday |
| 08:56 |
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si |
I think I'd like to get "how hard can it be?" etched onto my tombstone |
| 08:56 |
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chris |
hehe |
| 08:57 |
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si |
it's a good rule to live by |
| 08:58 |
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si |
'tis nice to see Lianza talking up Koha as a signifcant contribution from Rosa |
| 08:59 |
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chris |
yeah, it was well deserved |
| 08:59 |
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kf |
chris: what about live date of delhi public library? |
| 09:00 |
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chris |
thats there isnt it? |
| 09:00 |
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kf |
perhaps searched wrong terms |
| 09:01 |
|
kf |
Dehli -> delhi, its a typo |
| 09:01 |
|
chris |
fixed |
| 09:01 |
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chris |
ta |
| 09:01 |
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kf |
ta= |
| 09:01 |
|
kf |
ta? |
| 09:02 |
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chris |
thank you |
| 09:02 |
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chris |
slang for thank you |
| 09:02 |
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kf |
ok :) my vocabulary grows *makes a note* |
| 09:03 |
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chris |
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ta#English |
| 09:03 |
|
chris |
wiktionary rules :) |
| 09:04 |
|
kf |
:) |
| 09:05 |
|
si |
it's diminutive - you wouldn't use it in a business setting - only people you know |
| 09:05 |
|
si |
and of course on irc, where it saves keystrokes |
| 09:05 |
|
kf |
ta si |
| 09:06 |
|
si |
and used a lot when teaching infants who can't manage the th sound in thank you |
| 09:06 |
|
si |
"fank you!" |
| 09:43 |
|
kf |
:) |
