Time  Nick        Message
09:43 kf          :)
09:06 si          "fank you!"
09:06 si          and used a lot when teaching infants who can't manage the th sound in thank you
09:05 kf          ta si
09:05 si          and of course on irc, where it saves keystrokes
09:05 si          it's diminutive - you wouldn't use it in a business setting - only people you know
09:04 kf          :)
09:03 chris       wiktionary rules :)
09:03 chris       http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ta#English
09:02 kf          ok :) my vocabulary grows *makes a note*
09:02 chris       slang for thank you
09:02 chris       thank you
09:01 kf          ta?
09:01 kf          ta=
09:01 chris       ta
09:01 chris       fixed
09:01 kf          Dehli -> delhi, its a typo
09:00 kf          perhaps searched wrong terms
09:00 chris       thats there isnt it?
08:59 kf          chris: what about live date of delhi public library?
08:59 chris       yeah, it was well deserved
08:58 si          'tis nice to see Lianza talking up Koha as a signifcant contribution from Rosa
08:57 si          it's a good rule to live by
08:56 chris       hehe
08:56 si          I think I'd like to get "how hard can it be?" etched onto my tombstone
08:56 chris       speaking of sons, i saw ben and toby at the wiggles on saturday
08:56 chris       heh
08:56 si          or I'll tell your son your old tramping stories
08:55 si          stop that
08:54 chris       si: good point :) "how hard can it be?"
08:54 chris       or go mental and laTex it :)
08:53 chris       my next dilemna is what format to keep this file in, i might start tab separating it
08:51 si          gack, isn't it just
08:51 chris       its lucky someone is writing this stuff down :P
08:51 si          Who knew
08:51 si          hey!  Rosalie's a LIANZA fellow?
08:50 chris       hehe
08:50 nicomo      didn't spot it
08:50 nicomo      pff : I must be the one with Swollen eyes
08:50 chris       nicomo: August 19 2003, NPL announces they are live with Koha
08:49 chris       http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=8767  <-- looking particularly handsome that day hehe
08:49 chris       si: yep some time in may 2007
08:49 si          they'd been running for some time before Chris's wedding
08:48 chris       I thought I put that in there....
08:48 nicomo      wonders when did Nelsonville go live with Koha?
08:48 si          ?
08:48 si          that would be after leaving Katipo, I'm guessing/
08:48 si          no :-)
08:48 si          you kept it?
08:47 chris       did I ever show you the swollen eye stress thing I got in 2007?
08:46 si          or it might get ignored until Easter
08:46 chris       si: ahh ok
08:45 chris       added biblibre, and fixed the rfp bit
08:45 si          so we might have a few bounces in the next 36 hours while I fix that
08:44 si          speaking of stress sty's, I note that the server running this here ircd is throwing disk errors
08:44 kf          ah, ok :) I did not get the differene
08:43 si          :-)
08:43 si          cumulative...
08:43 chris       not Koha
08:43 chris       that was Tourism industry association
08:43 chris       heh
08:43 chris       how can I word that more clearly
08:43 chris       kf: ahh yes Glen stewart emailed me some code .. Steve Tonnessen was the 1st person outside of katipo to get commit access to the cvs repository
08:42 si          or that made commercial sense :-)
08:42 nicomo      don't now the official day
08:42 nicomo      BibLibre created oct. 2007
08:42 chris       ta si
08:42 si          HLT send out RFP, no responses that would actually work over dialup links
08:42 kf          January 6 2001, Steve Tonnesen becomes the 5th committer to Koha and the first outside of Katipo
08:42 kf          December 16 2000, Glen Stewart sends the first patch for Koha (outside of Katipo)
08:41 chris       I have that for liblime, im not sure when they were formed, but that was their first email to the list
08:41 chris       April 14 2005, Liblime announce they are providing Koha support
08:40 chris       when was biblibre officially formed?
08:40 kf          chris: found something strange: look at 7 January 6 2001 and  27 December 16 2000
08:40 chris       or people can just tell me what to add (if they dont want to clone and send patches)
08:39 chris       yep I plan to accept patches :)
08:39 chris       is the most up to date, i push up to github usually once a day
08:39 chris       http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=docs/history.txt;
08:38 nicomo      that would be interesting too
08:38 nicomo      etc
08:38 nicomo      but not creation of LL itself (or else I missed it)
08:38 nicomo      you mention closure of LL NZ
08:38 nicomo      could you add informations about companies involved
08:37 nicomo      i like you detailed Koha chronology a lot
08:37 chris       hi nicomo
08:37 nicomo      hi chris
08:37 chris       finally up to 2009
08:35 chris       if you ever want to know anything about moodle ... she knows tons and tons :)
08:35 chris       http://she.geek.nz/
08:34 chris       she used to sit near me at work, but now lives in switzerland
08:33 hdl_laptop  you're right
08:33 hdl_laptop  thanks.
08:32 chris       its from norse legends .... the name of the hammer of Thor
08:30 hdl_laptop  iirc, mjollnir is a name in Lord Of the ring is it nott ?
08:30 eiro        it looks like :)
08:25 chris       thats hard to pronounce
08:25 chris       my friend penny has mjollnir as her nick :)
08:25 chris       :)
08:22 eiro        my former nick was khatar but noone can pronounce it ...
08:21 eiro        hehe
08:21 eiro        chris, no ... i let my old nick down
08:21 chris       yep, whois told me
08:21 eiro        oopps: FYI: i'm mc (i changed my nickname to have the same one on every networks)
08:20 chris       change your nick to confuse me? :-)
08:20 chris       hi eiro
08:19 eiro        hello all
08:19 eiro        :)
08:19 eiro        that makes me remember Providence: the name of the cafe in the rail station is names "La France"
08:19 hdl_laptop  he is a man of taste....
08:18 chris       so I will be eating french cuisine this weekend :) I will be remembering the cafe in marseille (where we took photos with the owner)
08:18 hdl_laptop  hehe...
08:18 chris       http://www.lemarchefrancais.co.nz/
08:18 chris       Le Marche Francais
08:17 chris       hdl_laptop: it is my fathers 65th birthday this saturday .. he just chose the restarant for it
08:11 chris       yeah the fix on the bug is to warn you there are borrowers attached
07:48 kf          worse
07:48 kf          i fixed it by deleting borrowers, its just the message thats confusing - so there are wore bugs
07:47 chris       i wonder if it was submitted to the patches list
07:47 chris       kf: it looks like that patch stan added to that bug report would fix it
07:44 Amit        if u can chris i would say my boss too 2011 in india
07:43 chris       amit: yes definitely
07:43 chris       yes
07:42 kf          chris: last mail 2009-03-18?
07:42 Amit        in india it would be good
07:42 Amit        yes
07:42 Amit        yes
07:41 chris       amit: but I think it would be good :)
07:41 Amit        2009
07:41 kf          chris: can arrange that ;)
07:41 Amit        sory
07:41 Amit        i think delhi public library is also planning in sep 2209
07:41 chris       amit: im mostly joking :)
07:41 Amit        is good
07:41 Amit        wow chris 2011 in india
07:41 chris       speaking of bugs has anyone else noticed bugzilla is not mailing bugs.koha.org anymore?
07:40 chris       yes, enough time to prepare lots of bratwurst and bier :)
07:36 kf          ah ok, its bug 2882
07:35 kf          hm. cant delete a library in 3.2? get message 'library deleted' but it remains
07:32 hdl_laptop  hehe kf
07:29 kf          2013 - gives me some time then
07:29 kf          g
07:27 chris       :-)
07:27 chris       so i say 2010 kohacon in wellington, 2011 in india and 2012 in brazil, 2013 in germany
07:26 chris       cool :)
07:24 hdl_laptop  chris : done
07:23 hdl_laptop  hi kf
07:21 kf          good morning chris and hdl
07:17 hdl_laptop  thanks for pointing that
07:16 hdl_laptop  mmm got it but misread it
07:06 chris       did you get an email from a user wishing to set up a brazilian mailing list for koha?
07:06 chris       hiya hdl_laptop
07:02 hdl_laptop  hi chris
03:32 Amit        thanx
03:32 brendan     heya Amit -- good luck tomorrow
03:30 Amit        tommorrow i m going to mysore for seminar
03:30 Amit        heya mason
03:30 Amit        hi bignose-work
03:30 mason       heya amit
03:30 Amit        hi chris, mason, brendan
02:46 Legendario  chris, r u online?
21:28 danny       given me a few more things to think about
21:27 danny       i love brainstorming though :) ty guys for the feedback
21:20 danny       if the number is wrong in the record then that is the responsibility of the cataloger
21:20 danny       i am not sure what the % of error would be, after all you are matching based on standard numbers, ean, upc, etc
21:19 atz         (and the professional catalogers wouldn't)
21:19 atz         i think the libraries without professional catalogers would agree with you
21:18 danny       i guess I was just looking at it like the benefit of possibly tripling the amount of art work would be worth possibly having a few items with incorrect art
21:16 danny       ok I understand your concern
21:15 atz         and if it wasn't automatic, then the responsibility is still the catalogers
21:14 atz         it causes people to get suspicious about the system
21:14 atz         danny: i prefer not to ever knowingly allow bad data as part of an automatic step
21:13 danny       atz, jumping back to your comment about not relying on ASIN, wouldn't it be easier to automate grabbing the ASIN and then just have a way for the librarian to remove one if incorrect, otherwise when the patch would be applied to existing installations they would have a lot of blank cover art from amazon until they visited each item
21:11 elwell      imho it's also a useful record of the item condition...
21:11 chris       yep, common sense .. i fear the lawyers would spaz about it tho, if it make sense it's probably illegal is my rule of thumb when it comes to copyright :)
21:10 atz         it's a representation of the item, same as if you were posting it on ebay
21:10 atz         chris: i don't see any legal problem with that
21:07 chris       im thinking you have one in your hand, you cant find a match via isbn or asin .. can you take a photo yourself and serve that instead (techinically its easy .. but i bet not legally)
21:06 chris       display in the opac
21:06 atz         chris: you mean to display in the opac?  or submit to Amazon "customer photos" ?
21:06 chris       probably copyright infringement, with the sentence of death or something ridiculous
21:05 chris       whats the legality of taking photos of items?
21:05 atz         yeah, that would be best
21:04 chris       would be a way around that, letting the librarian go .. no thats wrong
21:04 atz         yes
21:04 chris       doing as part of a human process, so you get shown the cover image when cataloguing
21:04 danny       atz, do you mean that some titles would have the wrong cover art?
21:03 atz         probably 95+%, but not 100%
21:03 atz         I don't think you can rely on 100% correct ASIN grabbing
21:02 chris       hacks are fine, as long as they are documented as such :)
21:02 chris       yep
21:01 danny       although it can always be updated or removed in the future
21:01 danny       ya, I guess it kinda just feels like doing a hack, instead of doing it right
20:59 chris       so it might be worth it, just because of that, until google passes it that is :)
20:59 danny       right
20:59 chris       i think amazon still has the largest amount of freely available cover art
20:59 danny       or just accept that their current system doesn't make this easy
20:58 danny       do you think it is worth it to go through all that trouble just to overcome the shortfalls of pulling images from Amazon
20:56 chris       yep
20:56 danny       thats true or could include a tool for the staff to just populate all asins at once, that would help the existing koha installations
20:52 chris       so no slowing down the opac
20:52 chris       so that each time a librarian looks at an item, if it doesnt have an asin its added then
20:51 chris       on even
20:51 chris       maybe just one the staff side
20:51 danny       right
20:51 chris       if no asin, try finding it
20:51 chris       you could retrofit too
20:50 danny       the other was to include the ASIN in the database and when records are imported or created the asin could be looked up and would only ever be done once
20:50 chris       yep
20:49 danny       and even several on the details page because of the browse shelf and editions tab
20:49 chris       *nod*
20:48 danny       that is like 20 requests on the search result page
20:48 danny       so i was thinking about 2 solutions to this, the first is that every time an image is pulled from amazon we'd have to do an xml lookup and that would ... yes exactly
20:48 chris       bit of a performance kill
20:48 chris       ahh right
20:47 danny       i'd like to see more cover art pulled from amazon for titles that have don't have an isbn and the only way to do this is to do a lookup using the Amazon Web Services xml
20:44 chris       cos if its the first, you can already do that :)
20:44 chris       getting cover images from amazon, or extending the amazon support in koha?
20:40 chris       doing what?
20:40 danny       just trying to brainstorm the best way to do it, or if it is even worth doing at all
20:39 chris       good plan
20:39 danny       hehe I'll send an email to devel list
20:39 chris       no takers for your cover art huh?
20:37 danny       hi chris
20:37 chris       morning
20:08 danny       anyone still around that wants to talk amazon cover art?
19:57 schuster    Crusoe - not that I know of yet.  I know they are working on moving it to Plone.
19:57 Crusoe      in html, pdfs are not linked to both toc and each other
19:56 Crusoe      Is there a way to have a local copy of koha-manual?
19:55 owen        Hi Crusoe
19:55 owen        Hmmm... good to know.
19:55 schuster    Owen - at one point in time when I asked during training they said don't use it...;(
19:54 Crusoe      hello!
19:53 owen        :) I'm a little scared to try it
19:49 schuster    Nope - let me know how that works for you!
19:33 owen        Has anyone here used the "Anonymize check-out history" feature in production?
18:00 jwagner     Probably wise.  That's enough to let me track it down.  I think it's locked down on my server (which is A Good Thing) but I wanted to check.  Thanks!
17:59 schuster    one of the 999's but for security reasons I hesitate to tell you ;)
17:59 schuster    The database/password information is not something I setup, but LibLime had setup for the biblios database within the mysql database.
17:59 jwagner     For port, was it the 9999 one?
17:58 schuster    I have been able to search the database - but not send records back to the server...  Theoretically that can be done as well.
17:57 schuster    I got the database information from the koha-conf.xml - file - server, database, user/password and port.
17:52 jwagner     schuster, can you give details on how you got MarcEdit to work thru z39.50?  That could be useful (and may need to be secured).  Thanks.
17:43 schuster    I was able to make it work with MarcEdit - just needed some login/password information...  Kinda scary.
17:21 schuster    OK yes I found that.  Thank you both for the information...
17:21 pianohacker You might have to have LibLime set up a user that can write records through Z39.50, not sure Zebra comes with that by default
17:20 hdl_laptop  you can see koha-conf.xml
17:20 hdl_laptop  yes
17:09 schuster    Is there a way from the server that I can tell how it was configured?
17:05 pianohacker Oh I see
17:00 schuster    Thanks I'll try that.  I was at a presentation by Terry Reese - MarcEdit - and he talked about using it directly with Koha so was playing with it.
16:58 pianohacker schuster: Most likely 210 or 9999
16:54 schuster    Question about Z39.50 setup - what "port" does LibLime run our locally hosted implementations on? - for send/receive?
16:28 brendan     bye paul_p
16:28 paul_p      bye world, time to leave for us frenchies (7PM quickly coming)
16:27 owen        I'm nearby there. I work in Nelsonville, about 15 min. away
16:27 brendan     I went to a few halloween parties there.  good times.
16:27 brendan     owen - you in athens?
16:26 brendan     yeah -- I went to college in richmond indiana - so I've got an idea about the weather.
16:25 owen        Whereas here in Ohio we can almost always complain about the weather
16:25 brendan     southern california...  so I can't ever complain about the weather.
16:25 brendan     socal
16:25 brendan     santa barbara california --
16:24 owen        Where's here brendan?
16:17 brendan     well at least it's still morning here!
16:16 brendan     good morning #koha
16:08 pianohacker How are you?
16:08 pianohacker hey henri
16:07 hdl_laptop  hello pianohacker
16:06 pianohacker Hello
14:46 gmcharlt    hi danny
14:46 danny       morning #koha
14:43 gmcharlt    thanks
14:43 hdl_laptop  I have no objections.
14:43 hdl_laptop  I have read.
14:42 gmcharlt    if you've no objections, I'll push it soon
14:41 gmcharlt    have you had a look at the patch I sent you to remove the bulk editing code
14:41 hdl_laptop  yes
14:39 gmcharlt    hdl_laptop: about?
13:04 soul9       ok
13:03 gmcharlt    origin == origin/master
13:03 soul9       ?
13:03 soul9       hmm, isn't it origin/master? or is that used by default for <branchname>,
13:02 soul9       origin?
12:55 jwagner     OK, I'll try to get that done later today.  Thanks.
12:54 gmcharlt    finally git send-email or email patch as attachment again
12:54 gmcharlt    git format-patch origin
12:54 gmcharlt    git rebase origin
12:54 gmcharlt    git fetch
12:54 gmcharlt    then do
12:54 gmcharlt    jwagner: just make sure your patch is against a branch off of head, not 3.0.x (you may need to cherry-pick it into your head branch if you originally did it for 3.0.x)
12:53 jwagner     gmcharlt, does something need to be modified in the patch?  I'll have to check to see if that machine's email is open yet, but I can copy the patch to another system & email it from there, at least.
12:53 gmcharlt    have you had an luck getting outgoing email opened up?
12:52 gmcharlt    jwagner: I checked, and your 007 patch didn't apply against 3.1/HEAD - you may need to rebase and resubmit
12:52 gmcharlt    paul_p: heh - accent looks OK in my IRC client, must not have been transmitted
12:39 jwagner     It's still spring for one more day in the Washington DC area, but winter is supposed to return tomorrow :-(
12:39 paul_p      window open, birds singing. spring weather in Marseille ;-)
12:38 paul_p      après-midi to spell it correctly (I see a ? instead of the è)
12:38 paul_p      thanks gmcharlt ;-)
12:37 gmcharlt    Bon apr?s-midi
12:36 paul_p      good morning USA !
12:33 gmcharlt    hi owen, #koha
12:33 owen        Hi #koha