| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:29 |
|
Amit |
hi jwagner |
| 11:43 |
|
jwagner |
Hi Amit. Good morning or afternoon or whatever :-) |
| 11:43 |
|
Amit |
good evening |
| 11:43 |
|
Amit |
jwagner |
| 11:43 |
|
Amit |
5:13 pm in india |
| 11:43 |
|
jwagner |
One of these years I'll wrap my mind around time zones. I can barely keep up with continental U.S. Sigh. |
| 11:44 |
|
SelfishMan |
I love the half hour time zones. They really mess with things |
| 11:44 |
|
Amit |
hi selfishMan |
| 11:44 |
|
SelfishMan |
mornin' |
| 11:45 |
|
kf |
near lunch time here :) 12:44 (germany) |
| 11:45 |
|
SelfishMan |
5:45am here in Montana |
| 11:45 |
|
jwagner |
And 7:45 in Maryland |
| 11:45 |
|
Amit |
hmm 11:30 behind |
| 11:46 |
|
Amit |
11:30 hr |
| 11:46 |
|
Amit |
hi kf |
| 11:46 |
|
kf |
hi Amit |
| 11:46 |
|
Amit |
so how r u |
| 11:46 |
|
Amit |
kf |
| 11:47 |
|
Amit |
;) |
| 11:47 |
|
kf |
near lunch time - so im fine, need a break now |
| 11:47 |
|
Amit |
hmm |
| 11:52 |
|
kf |
bbl |
| 11:53 |
|
Amit |
means |
| 12:01 |
|
Amit |
hi chris |
| 12:14 |
|
jwagner |
Is anyone around who knows anything about bug 2655, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC? Owen? |
| 12:43 |
|
owen |
jwagner, you were asking about big 2655? |
| 12:43 |
|
owen |
I mean bug 2655 |
| 12:49 |
|
jwagner |
Yes, the one where items on the hold shelf still show as available in the OPAC. Bugzilla says that's still outstanding, correct? |
| 12:51 |
|
owen |
Yeah, I haven't heard anything about it |
| 12:51 |
|
owen |
Do you have folks on staff who are looking at bugs? |
| 12:52 |
|
jwagner |
Not yet, but it's a problem for us. I saw you were one of the people reporting/discussing it -- didn't know if you knew about any fix in the works. |
| 12:52 |
|
jwagner |
(We're working on other bugs, but not this one, to clarify.) |
| 12:53 |
|
owen |
That's great to hear |
| 12:53 |
|
owen |
It's a severe enough bug that I would think someone would be working on it, but I haven't heard anything |
| 12:54 |
|
jwagner |
I had hoped so, too. I'll keep my ears open, and we'll think about working on a fix -- no promises yet.... |
| 12:55 |
|
owen |
I'm surprised I haven't heard more complaints about this bug from my staff |
| 12:57 |
|
jwagner |
That's OK, I'm making up for it on the "hearing complaints" level :-( |
| 12:58 |
|
jwagner |
Thanks, Owen. Gotta run to a meeting now -- back later. |
| 13:07 |
|
owen |
I'm trying to see in Search.pm where it checks whether something is waiting, and I'm not seeing it. |
| 13:07 |
|
owen |
Not that that means anything necessarily. |
| 13:46 |
|
jwagner |
Owen, are you rearranging deck chairs??? |
| 13:46 |
|
owen |
Just noticing how many people are timing out |
| 13:46 |
|
jwagner |
OK, I was a bit worried :-) |
| 14:19 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
jwagner: NEKLS sees that too |
| 14:19 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
the items on the hold shelf displaying as available |
| 14:19 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
definitely one of our pet peeves |
| 14:24 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
atz: you'll be around later for this envisionware deal? (1pm central) |
| 14:25 |
|
jwagner |
Liz, let us know if you hear anything about a possible fix. |
| 14:25 |
|
jwagner |
Off to another meeting, back later.... |
| 14:25 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
yea, I definitely will... we're waiting with bated breath for sure |
| 14:27 |
|
atz |
liz_nekls_: yep, looking forward to figuring out what the deal is there... |
| 15:05 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
cool ttyl then (dang work kept me away for 30 mins, sheesh) |
| 15:08 |
|
atz |
stupid job always getting in the way of... my job |
| 16:39 |
|
owen |
Twitter's tagline should be "What are you facepalming about today?" |
| 16:40 |
|
owen |
My current gripe: search result RSS feed lists title and...number of pages? How about subtitle? author? |
| 17:56 |
|
atz |
liz_nekls: who's calling who? |
| 17:56 |
|
atz |
*whom... |
| 17:57 |
|
atz |
hello |
| 21:24 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
hi.. why perl and not something else? |
| 21:24 |
|
SelfishMan |
perl is stable and works |
| 21:26 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
i would say very stable :) |
| 21:27 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
thanks |
| 21:27 |
|
chris |
plus in 1999 |
| 21:27 |
|
chris |
CPAN pretty much ruled the roost |
| 21:28 |
|
chris |
we would have had to write a lot more code if we used another language, also we had 3 people at katipo who knew perl ;) |
| 21:29 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 21:29 |
|
chris |
speaking of katipo, heya richard :) |
| 21:30 |
|
richard |
hi chris |
| 21:30 |
|
SelfishMan |
perl is nice |
| 21:31 |
|
SelfishMan |
I can't believe that nobody has created a module to handle web archives (.warc) |
| 21:31 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
i believe that koha is the most used open source in this kind of software! right? |
| 21:32 |
|
SelfishMan |
I think here in the US Evergreen is dominant but I could be wrong |
| 21:32 |
|
chris |
nope there are far more koha installs than evergreen ones |
| 21:32 |
|
chris |
even in the US |
| 21:33 |
|
SelfishMan |
well that is good to hear |
| 21:33 |
|
chris |
it's not really a competition :) |
| 21:33 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
i've seen evergreen, and it is also perl! |
| 21:33 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
and both seem really cool |
| 21:33 |
|
SelfishMan |
chris: I know it's not but I do like to know that there is a larger community around the one I use! |
| 21:34 |
|
chris |
makes sense |
| 21:34 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
well, community makes open source better |
| 21:35 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
you guys are also responsible for instalations in libaries? |
| 21:35 |
|
chris |
im not |
| 21:35 |
|
chris |
and sometimes i send in some patches |
| 21:36 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
i work in a city hall and the spent some money acquiring this commercial solution!! desktop based |
| 21:37 |
|
chris |
but i was paid to work on koha from 1999, to 2007 .. and hopefully will be again in the future |
| 21:38 |
|
chris |
SelfishMan: have i asked if you are going to Kohacon? |
| 21:38 |
|
chris |
[k3rn3l]: commercial isnt bad ... proprietary i dont like |
| 21:38 |
|
SelfishMan |
I was hoping to make it but I have a security job at that time and I can't reschedule it |
| 21:39 |
|
chris |
people open confuse commercial and proprietary .. you can be commercial and opensource |
| 21:39 |
|
chris |
SelfishMan: bummer :( |
| 21:39 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
chris: commercial and proprietary |
| 21:40 |
|
chris |
yeah, those usually are annoying :) |
| 21:40 |
|
SelfishMan |
I know. There will be a few people going from in the state and even one person working for the state shared catalog |
| 21:40 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
there is a lot of commercial open source |
| 21:40 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
pentahoo is a good example |
| 21:40 |
|
chris |
koha even |
| 21:40 |
|
chris |
if you go with a paid support company |
| 21:41 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
drupal itself offers paid support |
| 21:41 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 21:41 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
and lots of other well know CMSs |
| 21:41 |
|
chris |
SelfishMan: i will try to blog all the sessions |
| 21:42 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
what I don't like to see is when a company makes all kinds of money with OSS and never give something back to the community |
| 21:42 |
|
SelfishMan |
cool. Any thoughts on posting some video or audio? |
| 21:42 |
|
chris |
if i had the ability to record some i would, ill ask around |
| 21:43 |
|
chris |
[k3rn3l]: sometimes even that helps the community indirectly |
| 21:43 |
|
chris |
by making the product seem more 'real' |
| 21:44 |
|
chris |
but yes, id rather they gave back directly |
| 21:44 |
|
SelfishMan |
We are hitting critical mass in my state where many libraries are ready to adopt koha but they have a handful of concerns Lee and I are trying to address |
| 21:44 |
|
chris |
SelfishMan: im sure we can figure something out, someone in the US has gotta have a dvd camera |
| 21:44 |
|
chris |
am i remembering right, you are in montana? |
| 21:44 |
|
SelfishMan |
yep |
| 21:45 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
here in portugal the national informatics institute is using koha |
| 21:46 |
|
chris |
at butte silver bow? |
| 21:46 |
|
chris |
[k3rn3l]: thats excellent news :) |
| 21:46 |
|
SelfishMan |
I was shocked to hear that somone from the state's shared catalog was going to attend kohacon considering the hate they initially showed towards it |
| 21:46 |
|
chris |
[k3rn3l]: http://translate.koha.org/pt/ |
| 21:47 |
|
chris |
i wonder if you know people who can help translate Koha into portuguese ? |
| 21:47 |
|
chris |
SelfishMan: oh yeah? informed hate, or just plain old prejudice? :-) |
| 21:48 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
well, I know a lot of people... I'll see if they are willing to make part of such a cool project |
| 21:48 |
|
SelfishMan |
Well, not really hate as much as an instinctive fear response |
| 21:48 |
|
chris |
ahh yeah, thats fairly common SelfishMan |
| 21:48 |
|
chris |
[k3rn3l]: excellent :-) |
| 21:49 |
|
SelfishMan |
Yeah, I know. It's unfortunate and doesn't help the patrons in the state. We're willing to work with them and be patient while they realize we aren't trying to attack them. |
| 21:49 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 22:03 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
one thing i've noticed.. those that use evergreen simple love it... those who use koha simple love it!! hehe |
| 22:04 |
|
SelfishMan |
It's amazing the response I see from people that switch to koha and are actually able to have the changes made that they want. I guess they are all used to being told to deal with it as is. |
| 22:05 |
|
chris |
yeah, software vendors have had it way to easy for too long |
| 22:07 |
|
SelfishMan |
I love the look on their faces when I tell them "Sure, give me a minute and I'll fix that" |
| 22:07 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 22:08 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
that or wait for the next major update!! man... i don't like proprietary. most of the time the just want to build new features instead of fixing the ones the already have |
| 22:08 |
|
SelfishMan |
That's one thing I've always loved about open source. It's built around the people instead of trying to mold the people around the software |
| 22:10 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
i will give you an example: this module to send e-cards... all it does it send an image via email! wtf :S:S. when i asked for improvements they said that e-card was just a core module and that there was no more support! |
| 22:10 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
so, what the point of making something (and paying for it) if you just can't use it the right way ?! |
| 22:11 |
|
SelfishMan |
If it's all you have then it is better than nothing. |
| 22:11 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
that's the tipical "deal with it as it is" |
| 22:13 |
|
SelfishMan |
It's kind of the same thing with my grandfather and broadband. He was happy with a 14.4K modem when 33.6K was dominant then I upgraded him. He was happy with that until I upgraded him to 56K. Finally I kicked him up to broadband and when the provider went under I told him we could switch him back to dialup or double his access charge with someone else and he very clearly said in a dead serious voice "I will never go back to dialup" |
| 22:13 |
|
SelfishMan |
Until you have better you really don't know what you are missing |
| 22:16 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
so true... but mentalities are so hard to change!! people have this ideia of comercial / propertary: "i'm paying, so if I have problems they will handle it" and this one with open source: "it's free, but what if I have problems... what's going to happen?" |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 22:18 |
|
SelfishMan |
The last time I called Follet for support on Athena (formerly from Sagebrush) they told me that I needed to buy the latest product despite us paying for a support contract. That was the point that we decided FOSS was the way to go for the next ILS |
| 22:18 |
|
brendan |
*nods* - free open-source education for the masses, is what is needed |
| 22:19 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
well, with porbase (what we have here) it's the same! it uses a ms access database, if you want webaccess then you have to accquire sql server + more licenses for their software |
| 22:19 |
|
SelfishMan |
I'm curious what concerns and resistance you all have run up against when trying to transition to koha |
| 22:21 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
+ windows server + license + a computer to run it! |
| 22:23 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
i think people is scared of open source!! and also a matter of having the right people (read knowledge) in the right places |
| 22:24 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
everytime i talk about open source the question people make are: "what about support? it means more work? linux... yeahhh cooll.. but windows is windows!!" and so on! |
| 22:25 |
|
SelfishMan |
I've heard that a lot |
| 22:27 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
i don't know there in the us: bu here in pt informatics is still lead by "non specialized" people |
| 22:27 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
if you can assemble a pc and install a printer then you are the computers guy!! |
| 22:27 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
that's the sad truth we have to deal here :s |
| 22:28 |
|
SelfishMan |
I see that a lot as well. That works as long as the people admit they don't know and are willing to learn. |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
sorry got sucked into work |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
yeah, thats a really common thing |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
often people secretly like the fact they cant fix something .. then they dont have to |
| 22:37 |
|
chris |
its much easier to moan your software sux, than to do something abut it |
| 22:37 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
chris: now you've said it all! |
| 23:11 |
|
SelfishMan |
Gnewt: From #linode as well? |
| 23:25 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
so, is koha your only projects? |
| 23:25 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
one of the problems i face is that i want to do a bit of everything... |
| 23:26 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
and sometimes i end up doing very little :S |
| 23:26 |
|
SelfishMan |
koha is one of the many projects I'm tied up in |
| 23:27 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
all in software? |
| 23:27 |
|
SelfishMan |
several open source software projects, several proprietary, some hardware projects and a bunch of other random stuff |
| 23:28 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
how do you manage all that? |
| 23:28 |
|
SelfishMan |
I'm a bit of a universal contractor |
| 23:28 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
and you background in computer science? |
| 23:29 |
|
SelfishMan |
Mostly I work fast and efficient and try to avoid making mistakes! ;-P |
| 23:30 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
so... myy problem it to select the technologie / framwork / somethng else that best suites my needs!! |
| 23:30 |
|
SelfishMan |
When people ask what I do my general answer is that I fix people's problems. I've actually spent a few years managing bars and restaurants because I was bored and it was something new |
| 23:30 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
that's a big jump hehe |
| 23:31 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
i have once head that software helps fixing the problems that software creates! |
| 23:38 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
well, i'm leaving |
| 23:38 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
take care |
| 23:38 |
|
[k3rn3l] |
keep up the good work... just added koha to my favoutite channels lol |
| 02:58 |
|
Gnewt |
SelfishMan_, yep, I'm the Gnewt from #linode :) |
| 03:00 |
|
SelfishMan_ |
Thought so |
| 03:00 |
|
SelfishMan_ |
Are you running koha on a Linode? |
| 03:02 |
|
Gnewt |
Nope, on a server at Hackerbot Labs |
| 03:02 |
|
Gnewt |
For the HBL library |
| 03:02 |
|
SelfishMan_ |
ah |
| 03:02 |
|
Gnewt |
It's a hackerspace in Seattle |
| 03:02 |
|
Gnewt |
we have a lot of books we need to keep track of |
| 03:03 |
|
Gnewt |
So I volunteered and then found Koha :D |
| 03:04 |
|
SelfishMan_ |
That's awesome |
| 03:05 |
|
Gnewt |
:) |
| 03:06 |
|
Gnewt |
It's not done yet, I have it installed but we're not actively using it... we need to get the new barcode scanner first. |
| 03:06 |
|
Gnewt |
http://www.hackerbotlabs.com |
| 03:06 |
|
Gnewt |
Doesn't get updated much, it's new, but that's our blog. |
| 03:06 |
|
Gnewt |
I did the post about the laser box |
| 03:22 |
|
Amit |
hi mason, chris, brendan |
| 03:22 |
|
brendan |
heya amit |
| 03:22 |
|
Amit |
chris: what about first test match between NZ vs India |
| 03:22 |
|
Amit |
r u watching match brendan |
| 03:22 |
|
Amit |
First test |
| 03:43 |
|
brendan |
ok -- will turn it on.. Thanks amit |
| 03:44 |
|
chris |
vettori is 2 runs away from his century |
| 03:44 |
|
chris |
indian started very well, but nz are slowly clawing their way back |
| 03:44 |
|
chris |
1 run now |
| 03:45 |
|
mason |
ohhh, you boys.. .. |
| 03:45 |
|
Amit |
good |
| 03:45 |
|
Amit |
but NZ 60/6 |
| 03:45 |
|
Amit |
good recovery |
| 03:46 |
|
Amit |
hi mason |
| 03:46 |
|
chris |
yep, 213/6 now .. still you shouldnt leave it to your number 8 batsman to score all the runs :) |
| 03:46 |
|
Amit |
hmm |
| 03:47 |
|
Amit |
good partnership between vettori & Ryder |
| 03:47 |
|
Amit |
now india to break this partnership |
| 04:04 |
|
Amit |
this is highest 7th wicket partnership against india |
| 04:04 |
|
Amit |
chris ;) |
| 04:06 |
|
brendan |
chris what is the 213/6 |
| 04:07 |
|
chris |
its now 237/6 6 people out, for 237 runs scored |
| 04:07 |
|
brendan |
ahh.. thanks |
| 04:08 |
|
Amit |
213 Runs |
| 04:08 |
|
Amit |
6 wicket |
| 04:27 |
|
richard |
gah, forget the cricket was on |
| 04:28 |
|
Amit |
hi richard |
| 04:31 |
|
richard |
hi Amit |
| 04:47 |
|
si |
ohh man, there's a test on, and I'm in san francisco |
| 04:47 |
|
si |
there's no justice |
| 04:49 |
|
si |
otoh, the kiwis aren't doing so well |
| 04:50 |
|
Amit |
hi si |
| 04:52 |
|
si |
hi amit |
| 05:08 |
|
brendan |
hi si |
| 05:10 |
|
si |
hi brendan |
| 05:10 |
|
si |
hows the cricket education going? |
| 05:11 |
|
brendan |
coming along nicely... |
| 05:11 |
|
brendan |
so in San fran... not to far away |
| 05:11 |
|
brendan |
I'm down the coast from you |
| 05:11 |
|
si |
ohh really? |
| 05:11 |
|
si |
whereabouts? |
| 05:11 |
|
brendan |
yup in Santa Barbara |
| 05:12 |
|
brendan |
about 300 miles (US) south |
| 05:21 |
|
Amit |
chris NZ all out 279 |
| 05:21 |
|
brendan |
si if you like beer, try different kinds of rogue -- there is a brew pub in downtown san fran... http://www.rogue.com/ |
| 05:30 |
|
si |
brendan: sadly, I'm only in town for two days before fling backhome |
| 05:30 |
|
si |
and mos of that time will be spent in colo rooms in south sanfrancisco and paloalto |
| 06:51 |
|
brendan |
good night all -- |
| 06:56 |
|
ryan_ |
bad for my beer belly :/ |
| 06:58 |
|
brendan |
ryan_ I'm a big fan of there beer - i used to live near there newport OR brewhouse |
| 07:02 |
|
ryan_ |
brendan: yeah, lots of good brewpubs here in portland. rogue and deschuttes are my favorites. |
| 07:05 |
|
chris |
you are in portland ryan_ ???? |
| 07:07 |
|
ryan_ |
chris: yeah, made the move about 4 weeks ago now. |
| 07:08 |
|
chris |
nice |
| 07:09 |
|
chris |
have you been for a drive along the coast? |
| 07:12 |
|
chris |
watch out for the goonies near astoria :) |
| 07:13 |
|
ryan_ |
heh -- no, i haven't gotten a car yet. I did enroll in the local car sharing program, and took my first 'zipcar' out earlier today. |
| 07:14 |
|
ryan_ |
pretty cool, really. thus far i've gotten around quite well without a car. |
| 07:17 |
|
chris |
nice, yeah ive heard portland has good public transport |
| 07:31 |
|
ryan_ |
it's excellent, actually. the streetcars are all free in the downtown area, which is darn convenient. |
| 07:31 |
|
chris |
ohh that is cool, i hadnt realised that |
| 08:32 |
|
fredericd |
hi |
| 08:32 |
|
chris |
hi fredericd |
| 08:32 |
|
fredericd |
hello chris |
| 08:32 |
|
fredericd |
time to sleep? |
| 08:33 |
|
chris |
in an hour or 2 yep |
| 10:44 |
|
Amit |
hi kf |
| 10:45 |
|
kf |
hi Amit |
| 10:53 |
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ron |
chris: sorry mate, I've lost the URL to the deb wiki page. do you have it handy? |
| 10:53 |
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hdl_laptop |
hi kf |
| 10:54 |
|
ron |
chris: argh. found it. |
| 10:55 |
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kf |
hi hdl |
