| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:00 |
|
[Xwire] |
both ie6 and 7 |
| 11:00 |
|
hdl_laptop |
.... use of FF is recommended for Intranet. |
| 11:00 |
|
[Xwire] |
http://libraryadmin.raresites.[…]11_882959&result= |
| 11:02 |
|
[Xwire] |
yea, that isn't going to happen for me |
| 11:03 |
|
[Xwire] |
shouldn't have spaces in urls anyways, this must be an oversight |
| 11:04 |
|
[Xwire] |
i use ff myself most of the time, but i can't convince everyone else |
| 11:17 |
|
[Xwire] |
ok i submitted a bug report |
| 12:41 |
|
jwagner |
Is Joe Atzberger around? |
| 12:43 |
|
mc |
jwagner: joe is atz |
| 12:44 |
|
jwagner |
Thanks mc -- I see he's logged in, but didn't know if he was active at the moment. |
| 12:52 |
|
greenmang0 |
any marceditor software for linux? |
| 12:52 |
|
greenmang0 |
slef: |
| 12:53 |
|
greenmang0 |
Elwell: ^^ |
| 13:00 |
|
owen |
greenmang0: There are some results for a search for "marcedit linux", but not necessarily promising: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]March/011260.html |
| 13:02 |
|
greenmang0 |
owen: i hate WINE |
| 13:02 |
|
greenmang0 |
owen: that's why |
| 13:02 |
|
greenmang0 |
;) |
| 13:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
!seen atz |
| 13:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
jwagner: here was the last time joe was seen active |
| 13:42 |
|
jwagner |
Thanks -- I have a question for him if he pops up today. |
| 13:44 |
|
hdl_laptop |
you can ask either pm or on chan with "pinging" him, he will read, an may answer as soon as he logsin |
| 13:46 |
|
jwagner |
Thanks hdl_laptop! |
| 14:35 |
|
owen |
Anyone remember the HTML::Template syntax for outputting a LOOP's row number? |
| 14:50 |
|
atz |
__count__ i think |
| 14:51 |
|
atz |
__counter__ rather |
| 14:52 |
|
jwagner |
atz, I was looking for you earlier -- good to see you pop up. On the listserv Friday, when I asked about MaxFine, you said you thought it might be a case problem "my problem was that the case of the syspref (MaxFine) and it's invocation (maxFine) differed" -- any followup on that? I looked at the fines.pl script but couldn't see where it was invoking MaxFine at all. Thanks. |
| 14:54 |
|
atz |
jwagner: it's in an interior module (C4/Overdues) in the CalcFine function |
| 14:54 |
|
owen |
Thanks atz that worked. |
| 14:57 |
|
jwagner |
atz, found the line "$amount = C4::Context->preference('maxFine') if(C4::Context->preference('maxFine') && ( $amount > C4::Context->preference('maxFine'))); |
| 14:57 |
|
jwagner |
" -- your theory is that the call of maxFine is the problem? If I change that in Overdues.pm the fines should start paying attention to the MaxFine setting? |
| 14:58 |
|
atz |
i have no insight on this one. CacFine already pays attention to MaxFine in that line. |
| 15:00 |
|
jwagner |
Hmm. I'll try changing the case and see if it helps -- the system appears to be ignoring that setting now. Thanks much for your help! |
| 15:19 |
|
hdl_laptop |
atz: Is there any chance to see Galen ? |
| 15:19 |
|
hdl_laptop |
!seen gmcharlt |
| 15:22 |
|
mc |
kf |
| 15:22 |
|
mc |
oops... sorry |
| 15:22 |
|
mc |
hello koha people |
| 16:03 |
|
atz |
hdl_laptop: haven't seen him today |
| 19:06 |
|
owen |
Anyone around familiar with C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc() ? |
| 19:08 |
|
pianohacker |
owen: If no one else is around, I could take your question, though I don't have extensive experience with it (besides dealing with its bastard 2.2.9 ancestor) |
| 19:09 |
|
owen |
I'm curious whether it's the preferred way of pulling a subtitle |
| 19:10 |
|
owen |
Koha in general has such poor handling of subtitle I'd love to use that in places I see it could do some good. |
| 19:11 |
|
pianohacker |
I think it is; catalogue/detail.pl uses it (line 68) |
| 19:12 |
|
pianohacker |
Really, it should be integrated into C4::Biblio::TransformMarcToKoha |
| 19:13 |
|
owen |
Then I wonder, is there a disadvantage to calling GetMarcBiblio() just to get the subtitle...I don't know how to judge when something is going to slow down a script |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 19:31 |
|
owen |
Hi chris |
| 19:33 |
|
pianohacker |
That depends; some scripts already do so, of course. Where are you thinking of putting it? |
| 19:36 |
|
chris |
owen: there is a slight overheard |
| 19:36 |
|
chris |
if its already been called and the value has been assigned to a variable then that overhead has already been paid |
| 19:37 |
|
pianohacker |
Yup |
| 19:39 |
|
atz |
:q |
| 19:40 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 19:40 |
|
atz |
nah, i'm tring to lick my nose. |
| 19:41 |
|
chris |
owen is the subtitle not returned with GetBiblioData ? |
| 19:43 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: No, because there is no database column for it |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
ah, it doesnt look at the bibliosubtitle table eh |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
stink |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
in that case what you did is your best bet owen |
| 19:44 |
|
owen |
The bibliosubtitle table doesn't exist anymore |
| 19:44 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: I think that table was eliminated in 3.0 |
| 19:44 |
|
pianohacker |
<jinx> |
| 19:44 |
|
pianohacker |
Anyway, there's an RFC to get it back: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]32_subtitle_field |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
ohh, so its only in the marc? |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 19:45 |
|
owen |
Seems like we're at the point where trying to create new tables or columns for MARC data is just too limiting |
| 19:46 |
|
chris |
well recreate in this case :) |
| 19:46 |
|
chris |
seems we are at the point where MARC is too limiting if you ask me :-) |
| 19:46 |
|
owen |
Well, no one will argue with you there |
| 19:47 |
|
chris |
i think with zebra being able to index anything we describe |
| 19:47 |
|
chris |
it would be fun to play with storing other representations in a column like we currently do marcxml |
| 19:47 |
|
chris |
i might have to do a prototype |
| 19:48 |
|
chris |
but first i must drink coffee |
| 19:49 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: Do you mean something like MODS, or dublin-core ? |
| 19:49 |
|
chris |
i was thinking dublin-core to start, cos its smaller and easier :) but no reason why not MODS too |
| 19:50 |
|
chris |
i think the corporate libraries would like to be able to catalogue in dublin-core |
| 19:50 |
|
pianohacker |
Yah |
| 19:51 |
|
pianohacker |
Of course, there's the problem of keeping everything in sync |
| 19:52 |
|
pianohacker |
Not to mention differing standards; corporate libraries would likely not enter something like "The mythical man-month /" in their dc:title field |
| 19:52 |
|
chris |
yeah, i was thinking more you choose your representation (much like you choose unimarc or marc21 now) |
| 19:52 |
|
pianohacker |
Oh; so something like a biblio.sourcedata column? |
| 19:52 |
|
chris |
and we have conversion routines for import/export if you wanted to go to another format |
| 19:52 |
|
chris |
yeah, something like that would be kinda neat |
| 19:53 |
|
chris |
pianohacker: are you going to kohacon? |
| 19:53 |
|
hdl_laptop |
chris++ |
| 19:53 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: Unfortunately, no; I'm already committed to present at a Colorado conference |
| 19:54 |
|
chris |
dang, i was thinking we could take a few hours and hash out a plan |
| 19:54 |
|
hdl_laptop |
problem would be with input frameworks and all our stuff which supposes always 2 and only 2 levels before data. |
| 19:55 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 19:55 |
|
imp |
http://www.koha.org/irc/ -> 404 |
| 19:55 |
|
pianohacker |
It would be a 3.4, 3.6 change at the earliest |
| 19:56 |
|
chris |
definitely |
| 19:56 |
|
chris |
but its good to be thnking about it |
| 19:56 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But, if Biblios is to be the cataloguing tool, then Adding xslt and frameworks would be OK. |
| 19:56 |
|
hdl_laptop |
pianohacker: rather 4.0 |
| 19:56 |
|
hdl_laptop |
but maybe 3.6 |
| 19:56 |
|
chris |
i think 3.4 would be small marc framework |
| 19:59 |
|
chris |
for the small corporates |
| 19:59 |
|
chris |
that looks really non-marcy .. and just a little option when installing |
| 19:59 |
|
chris |
do you understand marc yes/no ? :) |
| 20:00 |
|
pianohacker |
"Who is 'MARC' and what does he want with me?" |
| 20:01 |
|
chris |
or MARC21, UNIMARC or WTF? |
| 20:01 |
|
pianohacker |
Hehe |
| 20:09 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: Is there a particularly active time of day/week on this channel? We could at least hash out a plan that way, though it wouldn't be as good as in-person |
| 20:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
chris: hidemarc should do that, unless it is deprecated. |
| 20:11 |
|
hdl_laptop |
pianohacker: we used to having some irc meeting to discuss plans. |
| 20:12 |
|
hdl_laptop |
And we are having meetings now with Galen in order to synchronize and organize more clearly |
| 20:12 |
|
hdl_laptop |
It is not enough, but it is a good start. |
| 20:13 |
|
pianohacker |
Most definitely. Should we start agitating for another on this subject? It's more than important enough |
| 20:14 |
|
Jo |
Morning all |
| 20:14 |
|
pianohacker |
Jo: Hello |
| 20:16 |
|
brendan |
how about through the chat topics -- get more then just a few peoples opinions and allow more people to join in. |
| 20:16 |
|
chris |
hdl_laptop: it kinda is dprecated |
| 20:17 |
|
hdl_laptop |
brendan: pianohacker koha-devel could be a good start also for asking for ppl to have a meeting. |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
yeah maybe we should have fortnightly (once every 2 weeks) town halls |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
where ppl build an agenda in the weeks leading up |
| 20:23 |
|
brendan |
I'd be more than willing to help anyone - come up with agenda items -please feel free to contact me... |
| 20:23 |
|
chris |
hey jo :) |
| 20:25 |
|
pianohacker |
http://www.tinychat.com/ might be a good way to remove the IRC barrier |
| 20:26 |
|
chris |
http://webchat.mibbit.com/ |
| 20:26 |
|
chris |
might mean that us people who like irc can still use it, and the bot logs it etc |
| 20:26 |
|
chris |
but those who dont can use a nice web interface |
| 20:27 |
|
chris |
we could put a widget up somewhere to make it easy |
| 20:27 |
|
mibbit_chris |
its pretty nifty |
| 20:28 |
|
hdl_laptop |
yeah. |
| 20:43 |
|
imp |
pianohacker: fixing the 404 from www.koha.org/irc will help also ;) |
| 20:44 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: chriiiiis? |
| 20:44 |
|
chris |
yep? |
| 20:45 |
|
chris |
imp: yep someone at liblime will need to sort that out they will probably see the logs .. but if you want to be sure, file a bug a bugs.koha.org ? |
| 20:46 |
|
imp |
ok |
| 20:47 |
|
chris |
thanks :) |
| 20:49 |
|
imp |
just have to figure out where i finally found the link to www.koha.org/irc :D |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 20:51 |
|
imp |
ha, got it - in the left box from the download site |
| 20:52 |
|
chris |
the download site? |
| 20:52 |
|
chris |
url? |
| 20:52 |
|
imp |
http://www.koha.org/download/ |
| 20:52 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 20:52 |
|
imp |
(right below related pages) |
| 22:15 |
|
hdl_laptop |
good night |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
night hdl |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
sleep well |
| 23:18 |
|
pianohacker |
chris: thanks for handling that |
| 23:18 |
|
chris |
who what where? |
| 23:22 |
|
pianohacker |
imp |
| 23:23 |
|
chris |
ahh right |
| 23:32 |
|
imp |
pianohacker: ? |
| 23:33 |
|
pianohacker |
imp: nothing |
| 23:34 |
|
imp |
the mail with the pw was a little bit slow |
| 02:12 |
|
Gnewt |
Does anyone have a good Z39.50 to reccomend? I need one to use for a small private library, for the lookup function. |
| 03:00 |
|
mason |
Gnewt: depends where in the world you are |
| 03:00 |
|
Gnewt |
Washington, USA |
| 03:01 |
|
mason |
heres a good list .. |
| 03:01 |
|
mason |
http://targettest.indexdata.co[…]nd.html?dc.title=^a*&_sort=dc.title&_count=9999&_search=Search |
| 03:02 |
|
Gnewt |
Sweet |
| 03:02 |
|
Gnewt |
thanks mason! |
| 03:02 |
|
mason |
LOC is good for the USA.. |
| 03:02 |
|
mason |
http://targettest.indexdata.co[…]ss&_search=Search |
| 03:03 |
|
mason |
np |
| 07:21 |
|
[Xwire] |
I am setting up a small ils for a research organization, and a girl who has studied library sciences wants openbiblio installed, i just finished installing koha, any reason not to use openbiblio? |
| 07:32 |
|
chris |
i dont know anything about openbiblio |
| 07:32 |
|
chris |
bagging other systems is a proprietary vendor thing to do :) |
| 07:53 |
|
SelfishMan |
ha |
| 08:07 |
|
fredericd |
hi |
| 08:08 |
|
chris |
hi fredericd |
| 08:10 |
|
fredericd |
chris: hello. I've seen you push translation files into maintenance branch. Any reason why you don't push them also in HEAD? |
| 08:12 |
|
chris |
because they are for the 3.0 branch |
| 08:13 |
|
chris |
when we get a string freeze for 3.2, i will get the translators working on that (and will msgmerge the files over) |
| 08:13 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi |
| 08:14 |
|
fredericd |
obvious... |
| 08:17 |
|
chris |
:) HEAD (or in git speak master) changes to much at the moment translating against that would be frustrating :) |
| 08:22 |
|
[Xwire] |
ok, thanks, I was hoping to hear something like openbiblio sucks because...., but i am new to ils's although i do know that openbiblio is really just a toy |
| 08:23 |
|
[Xwire] |
how bad is the learning curve of koha for a newbie? i think that is their real concern |
| 08:24 |
|
chris |
not too bad, if you follow the newbie guide and the manual |
| 08:25 |
|
chris |
http://www.pakban.net/brooke/tut/newbie.html |
| 08:26 |
|
[Xwire] |
this is great! thanks! |
| 08:57 |
|
anasha |
chris: hi |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
hi anasha |
| 08:58 |
|
anasha |
hows you ? |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
good thanks, and you? |
| 08:58 |
|
anasha |
I am fine |
| 08:58 |
|
anasha |
i have one question |
| 08:59 |
|
anasha |
i have just complete koha installation at indian navy |
| 09:00 |
|
chris |
oh cool |
| 09:01 |
|
anasha |
where in i wanted my companies name to be at koha site http://www.koha.org/support/pay.html |
| 09:02 |
|
chris |
have you read http://koha.org/support/companyinfo.html |
| 09:02 |
|
anasha |
but unfortunatly i can not give the opec link of koha at indian navy |
| 09:02 |
|
anasha |
yes |
| 09:02 |
|
chris |
and sent the email to approvals koha.org? |
| 09:03 |
|
anasha |
ok |
| 09:03 |
|
anasha |
i will do it today itself |
| 09:03 |
|
anasha |
thanks |
| 09:03 |
|
chris |
no problem |
| 09:16 |
|
chris |
got it |
| 09:16 |
|
chris |
just needed a new kernel |
| 10:27 |
|
paul_p |
sweet dreams chris |
| 10:27 |
|
hdl_laptop |
good night |
