| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:36 |
|
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: if you are around, I have generated a tarball for a 3.0.1 release |
| 11:36 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Can I upload it somewhere ? |
| 11:58 |
|
kados |
hdl_laptop: did you sign it, etc? |
| 12:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: assuming you've signed, I can get it uploaded for you |
| 12:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
a 1-week beta test might not be a bad idea, just to make sure that there are no problems for people upgrading from 3.0 |
| 12:50 |
|
kf |
hdl: have you updated the release notest? i noted some old entries about postgres, windows and german intranet partial translation (is full now) earlier today |
| 13:15 |
|
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: yeah i have signed it. |
| 13:16 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kf : I updated.... But not on PG and windows |
| 13:18 |
|
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: agreed about 1 week proof testing |
| 13:18 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I already spent time on it to test features. |
| 13:19 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But still, maybe ppl can find some other problems. |
| 13:33 |
|
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: will send you the tarball later today |
| 13:41 |
|
kados |
hdl_laptop: did you follow all the steps in misc/release_notes/README.txt ? |
| 13:41 |
|
kados |
hdl_laptop: (just in case you haven't seen that file) |
| 13:41 |
|
kados |
hdl_laptop: and any changes that need to be made to the steps should also be added to that file (if poodle changes things for translation for instnace) |
| 13:47 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kados: I did and am doing. |
| 13:47 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Pootle change nothing to translation stuff. |
| 13:47 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 13:48 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I just find that release should maybe ask the translations to install rather than installing the whole stuff. |
| 13:48 |
|
hdl_laptop |
but at the moment, it is a minor issue for me. |
| 15:25 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kados: gmcharlt, please tell me asap when we agree on release. |
| 15:25 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I would like to announce it asap. |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
hdl_laptop: did you install translations? |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
(trying to understand) |
| 15:27 |
|
owen |
any librarians here who deal with fines at their library? |
| 15:28 |
|
danny |
we have been talking a lot about fines lately owen, whats up? |
| 15:28 |
|
owen |
I'm adding replacement cost to the print view of the patron's record because our librarians often give these printouts to patrons who have old overdues |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
I'm wondering if putting a "charges" column in there makes sense as well |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
It shows on the patron detail page, but not in the print view |
| 15:30 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kados: yes i installed translations. |
| 15:31 |
|
hdl_laptop |
(It was written in README.txt : run update, install.pl...) |
| 15:31 |
|
hdl_laptop |
=> 51Mo archive. |
| 15:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: I will want to see tarball and test first |
| 15:32 |
|
hdl_laptop |
btw kohanews is closed ? |
| 15:32 |
|
owen |
I'm curious why the patron detail page doesn't total up the charges at the bottom like it does replacement price |
| 15:32 |
|
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: np. |
| 15:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: a Thursday release is possible, though I still recommend a public testing period |
| 15:33 |
|
hdl_laptop |
how would you announce? |
| 15:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
you should post to koha & koha-devel of course |
| 15:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
inlcude summary of release notes in email |
| 15:36 |
|
paul_p |
51MB ! wow ! we really need to create translation when installing, that's huge & useless for most libraries ! |
| 15:38 |
|
hdl_laptop |
So I will post to koha and koha-devel on Thursday. |
| 15:38 |
|
paul_p |
kados: ++ |
| 15:38 |
|
hdl_laptop |
paul_p: in fact, i think that js libs should be taken out from translations, since nothing is trnaslated from jquery and others. |
| 15:39 |
|
paul_p |
hdl+++ |
| 15:39 |
|
hdl_laptop |
+ icons should also be not in language but in theme. |
| 15:39 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure about that one...I think many icons have text in them? |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
hdl_laptop: some icons have text, that's why they are in lang |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
hdl_laptop: ++ on the js libs though, unless there are some exceptions |
| 15:39 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But then you cannot translate text which is an image. |
| 15:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kados: would be nonesense to translate yui or jquery libs. |
| 15:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
imho. |
| 15:40 |
|
owen |
If we were doing it right we'd distribute different icons with different translations. But I don't think anyone is up to that task at the moment |
| 15:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
we thought we had to becaus of cart. |
| 15:41 |
|
hdl_laptop |
which is now solved. |
| 15:41 |
|
hdl_laptop |
and included in tmpl. |
| 15:41 |
|
hdl_laptop |
owen: But translating is copying all the images. |
| 15:42 |
|
hdl_laptop |
So each translation you make, duplicates img directory. |
| 15:42 |
|
owen |
Yes, I understand. |
| 15:43 |
|
hdl_laptop |
for instance, intranet-tmpl = 234Mo uncompressed. |
| 15:44 |
|
owen |
I'm just worried that moving them out of the lang directory prevents us from, in the future, providing images with translated text. Maybe that's too unlikely to consider at this time. |
| 15:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
I agree with owen; localized images could be part of a translation |
| 15:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
but we can reorganize directory structure |
| 15:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
so that base icon directories are not duplicated needlessly |
| 15:49 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I agree. |
| 15:50 |
|
hdl_laptop |
in fact, i think that most of the time, ppl will test icons set. |
| 15:50 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Those who have text, which is not translatable, will not be used in non english speaking countries. |
| 15:54 |
|
hdl_laptop |
And there, ppl will use custom set of template, unless they havetime to translate images, which generally ends up in doing a custom set of icons. |
| 16:03 |
|
hdl_laptop |
owen : why is tinymce in js rather than lib ? Is it much different from jquery or yui ? |
| 16:03 |
|
owen |
jquery and yui are javascript libraries, and tinymce is just one javascript "application." |
| 16:03 |
|
owen |
tinymce is not jquery or yui |
| 16:06 |
|
hdl_laptop |
owen : i am asking that because in my mind, it is just another external brick. |
| 16:06 |
|
owen |
Understandable. |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
O |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
Sorry... |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure how tinymce is supposed to be handling other languages |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
It has a 'langs' directory, but it only contains en.js |
| 16:08 |
|
hdl_laptop |
if it was in lib, then all those external js libs could be considered as "language independant. |
| 16:08 |
|
hdl_laptop |
" |
| 16:08 |
|
hdl_laptop |
So tinymce has its own language structure. |
| 16:08 |
|
owen |
Since lib has calendar and greybox I don't see any reason why tinymce shouldn't be there too |
| 16:09 |
|
owen |
calendar and greybox are not libraries either |
| 16:09 |
|
owen |
the calendar script also has a language file, which means that we might investigate how that could be internationalized as well |
| 16:10 |
|
owen |
Perhaps calendar and tinymce can be configured to look for the language file in a custom location |
| 16:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
++ |
| 16:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
And maybe we could add links to all those third parties bricks at install |
| 16:11 |
|
kf |
about icons: i made special german bridge icons |
| 16:11 |
|
kf |
if icons are not in language, you cant use different icons :( |
| 16:12 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kf : my idea would be to have kind of 2 levels of icons set. |
| 16:13 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Or maybe hard links |
| 16:13 |
|
kf |
my idea is, that for example item type icons change, depending on choosed opac language |
| 16:14 |
|
hdl_laptop |
mmm. |
| 16:15 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But if you are a french library, with 4 or 5 languages supported. |
| 16:15 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Would you create 5 different flavours of translated text icons |
| 16:15 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Or only 1 set of icons without text ? |
| 16:17 |
|
hdl_laptop |
+ kf : you have to overwrite your german Bridge icons over the translations on each update. |
| 16:17 |
|
hdl_laptop |
you cannot make it enter po files. |
| 16:18 |
|
kf |
with bridge icons its easy, because there are psd-files |
| 16:18 |
|
kf |
i think in a production system you dont update too often |
| 16:18 |
|
kf |
but its nice, when its possible to have different sets, perhaps not a must have |
| 16:19 |
|
kf |
translation is not perfect now - you cant define descriptions in different languages for libaries, item types and so on |
| 16:42 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kohanews is down for maintenance ? |
| 16:42 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Or has been shut down ? |
| 17:53 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kados: sorry for I had to answer the phone. |
| 17:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: #kohanews is on freenode, not the katipo IRC server |
| 18:03 |
|
Khalsa |
What happens there? ( gmcharlt ) |
| 18:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
Khalsa: #kohanews has a bot that posts stuff from various Koha RSS feeds, like the bugs DB and the git log |
| 18:04 |
|
Khalsa |
exciting |
| 18:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
perfect for those who don't have enough information overload ;) |
| 18:21 |
|
owen |
anyone up for a question about labels? |
| 18:21 |
|
owen |
I've got an issue with /cgi-bin/koha/labels/label-edit-layout.pl |
| 18:21 |
|
atz |
ok |
| 18:21 |
|
atz |
like, how much label printing sucks? |
| 18:22 |
|
owen |
:) |
| 18:22 |
|
owen |
It's been working fine for us even in a 2.x system because we're using the CSV output to pass to a label printer |
| 18:22 |
|
owen |
Here's my problem: I'm trying to edit the layout by using the "List Fields" option |
| 18:23 |
|
owen |
I put in a bunch of fields, saved it, tested it, and it didn't seem to work. When I went back in I saw that the fields I'd entered had gotten truncated, like there's a limit to the mysql column |
| 18:24 |
|
owen |
I'm not even sure where that data is stored |
| 18:27 |
|
atz |
owen: ah, interesting. yeah i can imagine the field might be too small |
| 18:27 |
|
atz |
i'll find it |
| 19:55 |
|
liz |
ah labels, a bane to my existence |
| 20:04 |
|
owen |
liz, do you guys try to print labels on a regular printer? |
| 20:09 |
|
liz |
yes, they do |
| 20:15 |
|
owen |
liz, we've had success with a dedicated label printer. I've never tried to get a label template working with printed Avery labels or anything like that |
| 20:16 |
|
liz |
my big problem is that right now, it doesn't work at all to add labels to a batch |
| 20:16 |
|
liz |
the items just don't add |
| 20:16 |
|
owen |
Really? It seemed to be working for me when I tested today |
| 20:17 |
|
atz |
liz: are you getting a javascript error (from that bogus intranetuserjs value) ? |
| 20:18 |
|
liz |
atz: let me check again |
| 20:20 |
|
liz |
ok, clicked Add items to batch, search for item by barcode, click search, and the window kind of flashes but doesn't do anything |
| 20:20 |
|
liz |
and no item is added |
| 20:20 |
|
liz |
to the batch |
| 20:21 |
|
liz |
search by title, same thing |
| 20:21 |
|
liz |
the drop down to select search criteria doesn't seem to work |
| 20:21 |
|
liz |
Ours was working until the last big batch of patches |
| 20:22 |
|
atz |
liz: check syspref intranetuserjs |
| 20:22 |
|
liz |
nothing in there |
| 20:23 |
|
atz |
ok... not sure what the deal is then. sounds like javascript is hanging up though |
| 20:23 |
|
liz |
:/ yea |
| 20:23 |
|
owen |
So liz the pop-up appears when you click 'add to batch' ? |
| 20:23 |
|
liz |
yes sir |
| 20:24 |
|
owen |
...but when you type something and click search you don't get any results? |
| 20:24 |
|
liz |
correct |
| 20:25 |
|
owen |
Weird. That's working fine for me in our new system. |
| 20:25 |
|
liz |
hrm. I'm going to do a proper sync on the templates involved, see if that changes anything |
| 20:27 |
|
owen |
I do notice that it gives you no indication that a particular search has failed |
| 20:27 |
|
owen |
It just reloads |
| 20:28 |
|
atz |
yeah, it's using a dynamic JS trick |
| 20:28 |
|
owen |
? |
| 20:28 |
|
atz |
oh, you mean the popup just comes back empty? |
| 20:28 |
|
atz |
and presents the same fields? |
| 20:29 |
|
owen |
Right, the search form reappears as if you'd never submitted |
| 20:29 |
|
atz |
yeah, some indication would be useful |
| 20:29 |
|
atz |
"I gots nothin. Try again." |
| 20:29 |
|
liz |
hehe |
| 20:29 |
|
liz |
the barcode search used to work though |
| 20:30 |
|
liz |
and doesn't even seem to be finiding titles |
| 20:30 |
|
liz |
finding* |
| 20:30 |
|
liz |
i think this is what we're seeing, is failed searches |
| 20:30 |
|
liz |
but I don't know why it would be failing |
| 20:32 |
|
liz |
double checked the templates, was not our problem. :( |
| 20:38 |
|
owen |
Anyone know why we have an empty language bar at the bottom of our staff client pages? |
| 20:40 |
|
kados |
owen: do you have any language packs installed (har har har) |
| 20:41 |
|
owen |
? |
| 20:42 |
|
kados |
owen: yea, it looks like you have some language packs installed |
| 20:42 |
|
kados |
/cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=I18N/L10N |
| 20:42 |
|
kados |
owen: if you notice, there are alternatives listed there |
| 20:42 |
|
kados |
french, chinese, german, spanish |
| 20:42 |
|
owen |
Listed but not checked |
| 20:42 |
|
kados |
IIRC, that may be a bug |
| 20:44 |
|
kados |
owen: we need an intranetlanguagesdisplay |
| 20:44 |
|
kados |
owen: like the opaclanguagesdisplay |
| 20:44 |
|
kados |
and opaclanguagesdisplay needs to go into I18N/L10N tab too while you're at it ;-) |
| 20:49 |
|
owen |
That I can do, at least |
| 03:32 |
|
Amit |
hi |
| 03:32 |
|
Amit |
good morning koha |
| 03:32 |
|
Amit |
gm mason |
| 03:32 |
|
Amit |
hi aindilis |
| 07:33 |
|
Amit |
hi hdl |
| 07:58 |
|
chris |
evening |
| 08:01 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi chris. |
| 08:02 |
|
hdl_laptop |
updates commited on git 3.0.x branch |
| 08:02 |
|
hdl_laptop |
It seems it doesnot really break previous translations. |
| 08:03 |
|
hdl_laptop |
And 3.0.1 should be officially announced in a few days |
| 08:06 |
|
kf |
morning chris + hdl |
| 08:10 |
|
chris |
woo great news |
| 08:29 |
|
mason |
evening kohaphiles |
| 08:30 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi mason |
| 08:31 |
|
mc |
hello koha people |
| 08:33 |
|
mason |
bonjour biblibrians |
| 08:54 |
|
Amit |
(++$availableitemscount > $maxitems) and last; |
| 08:54 |
|
Amit |
can anyone check this line in |
| 08:54 |
|
Amit |
search.pm |
| 08:55 |
|
Amit |
i think it look like this |
| 08:55 |
|
Amit |
($availableitemscount++ > $maxitems) and last; |
| 08:55 |
|
Amit |
for solved availability problem |
| 08:57 |
|
Amit |
bug 2581 |
| 08:57 |
|
Amit |
i have solve by this way |
| 09:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi amit |
| 09:10 |
|
Amit |
hi hdl |
| 09:10 |
|
Amit |
i solved this problem |
| 09:10 |
|
Amit |
where i sumit my patch plz give me email id |
| 09:11 |
|
hdl_laptop |
koha-patches at lists dot koha dot org |
| 09:11 |
|
hdl_laptop |
please join the list before. |
| 09:11 |
|
Amit |
k |
| 10:13 |
|
mason |
fyi: bug/patch 2943 fixes Amit's issue |
| 10:14 |
|
Amit |
yes |
| 10:14 |
|
Amit |
i have already see thanks for correct me |
| 10:16 |
|
mason |
np |
