IRC log for #koha, 2008-07-11

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12:33 slef Hi all.  Can anyone explain to me how openurl support works?  It doesn't seem to be in the 3.0 manual or have appeared here or the lists, as far as I found.
12:33 slef wb purple and lloyd
13:04 nengard slef it's not in the manual cause I didn't know we have OpenURL support - if we do - keep me posted so I can add that to the documentation
13:05 slef nengard: it's in the release notes but I've not found much more about it AFAICR
13:05 gmcharlt slef: kados is the one to ask for details
13:05 slef (and so it's been repeated by numerous reviews already...)
13:05 slef gmcharlt: I think chris may know a little too... others might
13:06 slef gmcharlt: any idea when kados will be here next?
13:06 gmcharlt slef: not sure, but presumably in a couple hours or so
13:08 kados slef: re: openurl, it's built on the OPAC detail page for a record, and I think on the results page too
13:08 kados look for the COinS tag
13:08 kados in the template
13:08 kados there's no OpenURL Resolver if that's what you're hoping for
13:08 slef kados: how is the resolver to point at set up?  Hack the template?
13:09 slef kados: I've got a resolver to test against.
13:10 fbcit g'morning #koha
13:10 slef hi fbcit
13:10 kados slef: to be honest I don't know how you'd use a resolver within Koha to test
13:10 kados slef: the only way I've used it is with Zotero
13:11 kados slef: and that automatically picks up the COinS for you
13:12 slef kados: is Zotero a browser-based application?
13:12 kados yes
13:13 nengard slef Zotero is for Firefox
13:14 nengard[…]/opac/opac-zotero
13:14 slef I can't find a COinS tag in the OPAC detail page
13:15 slef ah, it's modules/opac-detail.tmpl - found it
13:17 slef Is there a particular reason not to link out to a(n) OpenURL resolver(s)?
13:19 kados can't think of one
13:20 slef add syspref for openurl_resolver_url, check it in and .tmpl and build suitable html - anything else?
13:21 kados slef: sounds about right
13:21 kados slef: you embedding an OSS one?
13:22 slef sadly not, a proprietary SaaS one, but there is a GPL SaaS one available I think
13:22 kados *nod*
13:23 slef ok, now I need to deal with some bad PR
13:23 slef biab
13:45 slef phew... web comment along the lines of "why didn't you contact me in private before going public with this?"
13:45 slef fortunately I had a copy of the email I sent them in private
13:46 slef rival webmaster company annoyed because my comment linking them with phone-spammers is now result 3 on google for their name
13:48 atz nice
13:48 slef google loves debian developers
14:53 fbcit does worldcat simply perform z3950 searches on multiple libraries when one performs a worldcat search?
14:54 kados fbcit: no, don't think so
14:54 kados fbcit: i think it has a master index of stuff
14:54 kados fbcit: in fact, I know it does
14:54 fbcit so the fact that a library is listed in worldcat does not necessarily mean they support z3950 searches?
14:55 kados nope
14:55 fbcit tnx
14:55 kados but it does mean that they use OCLC for cataloging
14:55 fbcit ahh
14:55 kados ie, they are contributing members
14:55 kados that's a requirement IIRC
15:11 fbcit kados: how do I rebuild the cn_sort fields?
15:18 kados fbcit: there's no automatic way to do that, but that'd be a good script to have in our misc dir
15:18 slef I'm in a world of RFID pain.
15:19 fbcit slef: turn off the microwave ;-)
15:19 slef fbcit: funny.  I was just pondering breaking out the screwdriver and stripping the case from the RFID hardware to see if it works then.
15:20 slef I've a tag and a device, both supposedly compliant to ISO 15693 but they won't work together.
15:20 atz slef: perhaps the spec allows incompatible implementations :)
15:21 slef atz: AFAICT, "no" according to the tag maker, but "yes" according to the device maker. :-/
15:21 atz device maker probably wrong.
15:22 slef TI usually are better than that, aren't they?
15:22 fbcit sounds like another III problem
15:22 slef atz: if device maker is wrong, I'm going to try for a refund on the devices.
15:36 fbcit where are shelf locations setup?
16:10 slef classic!  From the device maker "The device is ISO15693 compliant.  However, not all manufacturers interpret the standard exactly the same way."
16:11 slef "We have discovered more than one manufacturer of ISO15693 tags that will not work with the TI chipset."
16:14 mc someone can comment "UTF-8 equivalence for zebra search" ?
16:24 kados fbcit: shelf locations are typically an authorised value 'LOC'
16:24 kados fbcit: thought it could be any authorised value linked in your frameworks to the items.location
16:24 kados heh
16:25 fbcit btw, that fixed the shelf browsing issue I had the other day
16:25 fbcit shelf browsing is a cool feature
16:25 kados glad to hear it
16:25 kados yea, shelf_browsing++
16:26 fbcit gotta run, get lunch, and change hats
17:02 acmoore back later today
17:36 slef mc: sorry I don't understand it.
17:43 mc slef, don't worry :)
17:44 mc zebradb/etc/word-phrase-utf.chr
17:44 mc zebradb/etc/explain.abs
17:44 mc zebradb/etc/explain.tag
17:44 mc zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-string-utf.chr
17:44 mc zebradb/lang_defs/en/sort-string-utf.chr
17:45 mc those files contains some equivalence
17:45 mc for example:
17:45 mc zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-​string-utf.chr:equivalent æä(ae)
17:45 mc zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-​string-utf.chr:equivalent øö(oe)
17:45 mc zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-​string-utf.chr:equivalent Ã¥(aa)
17:45 mc too poor for french people, for example
17:46 mc this script uses the Text::Unidecode table to generate those lines
17:47 mc unidecode("éèê") gives "eee"
17:48 mc so i thought that we just want the counterpart
17:48 mc e => éêè...
17:48 mc that what's my script does
17:50 mc for u, it gives uµùúûüŨŪŬŮŰŲƯǓǕǗǙǛ....
17:51 mc even geek codes are translated
17:52 mc some equiv of o is उऊ
17:52 mc i don't know how reliable is it
17:52 mc so i ask comments
19:00 owen nengard?
19:00 nengard owen
19:00 nengard :)
19:00 nengard am i driving you nuts?
19:01 owen Nope. :) But I've got a question about Bug 2290.
19:01 owen I'm not sure I understand the issue
19:05 owen Okay, I guess I do understand, but...Should anything at all be shown if there are no missing issues?
19:16 nengard owen - sorry - I was writing - let me go read the bug
19:17 nengard owen - no! nothing should be there if there is nothing to be claimed
19:17 nengard hey - i have a question - on the circ page there is a link to transfers - I thought this was to transfer the book temporarily - the help file implies that it's transfering it permanently
19:18 owen Transferring should change the holdingbranch to the destination library until the book gets checked in or out at another branch
19:21 owen It's weird, when I go to Claims it says "all suppliers" and shows nothing. When I select one of my suppliers, it shows some missing issues.
19:21 owen Sounds like "all" really means "none"
19:21 nengard owen - yep
19:22 nengard owen as for transferring if i go to koha/circ/ it permanently moves the library from one branch to another
19:22 nengard so it's changing the owningbranch
19:22 nengard or whatever it's called
19:52 owen kados?
19:55 kados owen++
19:55 kados owen: for your patch for 1438
19:55 kados owen: and yes, I'm here
19:55 kados owen: ryan and I are banging away on holds bugs the rest of today
19:55 kados owen: what's up?
19:55 owen Looking at Bug 2339...
19:56 owen You say holds button shouldn't be shown for "for records that have no items on loan" Do you mean no holdings?
19:57 kados no
19:57 kados to understand this bug you have to know that some libraries don't want patrons to be able to place a hold on items that are on the shelf
19:57 kados ie, if it's on the shelf, they want the patron to go get it
19:57 kados that's what the AllowOnShelfHolds syspref is for
19:57 owen Okay
19:58 kados but if it's on loan, you can place a hold on it, and the librarinas will nab it instead of re-shelving
19:58 kados in the US, it's mainly academic libraries that have this practice
19:58 kados but I think in France, publics operate this way too
19:59 owen So it sounds like this isn't just a template change because there needs to be a check for whether any items are checked out
20:00 kados yea, it's more than just a template change I'm afraid
20:00 owen Okay
20:01 kados heh
20:46 saorge can you tell me how I can export authorities from Koha?
21:10 kados saorge: misc/
21:12 chris kados: got a sec?
21:13 chris can you try doing a search with more than one itemtype selected, do you get results?
21:20 saorge kados: thanks (i'm looking in the 'Tools' menu in the intranet)
21:25 kados chris: staff or opac?
21:25 kados chris: and what's your AdvancedSearchTypes syspref set to?
21:28 chris either
21:28 chris lemme check
21:29 chris itemtypes
21:29 chris it works fine if i search on one
21:30 chris ie, fiction i get 2, non- fiction i get 4, both i get 0
21:30 chris (using zebra) seems to be happening for paul and mason too
21:30 chris just was checking if anyone else had seen it
21:31 chris eg
21:31 chris[…]y=relevance&do=OK
21:32 chris[…]y=relevance&do=OK
21:32 chris[…]y=relevance&do=OK
21:39 kados chris: does it work in the staff client?
21:39 chris not in my install
21:39 chris ill try the liblime demo
21:40 chris in mine, (which i just rebased) it does the same for both
21:40 chris im *fairly* sure it used to work
21:40 chris[…]sort_by=relevance
21:41 chris nope, no joy staff side either
21:41 kados I might have broken it when I added the AdvancedSearchTypes syspref
21:41 chris mason, spotted this last night
21:41 chris its interesting that it works with 1, but not 2
21:41 chris its like its doing an and, not an or?
21:41 kados yea
21:42 kados ahh ... I bet I know what the prob is
21:42 kados I think it used to detect when to do an OR based on the beginning part of the string
21:42 kados mc-*
21:42 chris ah right
21:43 kados what a mess
21:43 chris yeah thats fairly blocker :(
21:43 kados yep
21:44 chris on the plus side, it does seem to be using the actual cost
21:44 chris from my brief test anyway
21:44 kados cool
21:44 kados ryan just informed me that the serials module routing isn't using the 'corprate routing'
21:44 kados I feel like crying
21:45 chris oh no, whats it doing instead?
21:45 kados and I swear that previous versions of koha let you plae holds on titles you ordered
21:45 chris it sure did
21:45 kados chris: some routing stuff that paul wrote I think
21:45 kados I haven't checked that yet
21:45 chris it was one of the must have features for 1.0
21:46 chris (placing holds on ordered titles)
21:46 kados yea
21:46 kados well, but I think we had it in dev_week even
21:46 chris worked all the way up thru the 2.2. series
21:46 chris yep
21:46 kados I think that's how stow works anyway
21:46 kados dunno what happened
21:47 kados chris: can you add a blocker bug to rel_3_0 for the itemtype thing?
21:47 kados I should be able to fix that tonight
21:47 chris will do
21:48 kados so much for my vacation, at least the weather at laguna beach is nicer than Athens OH :-)
21:48 chris laurels grandparents live right by there
21:49 chris its a nice area
21:49 kados *nod*
22:02 chris bug added
22:53 kados chris: can you explain constrainttype in reserves?
23:22 chris yep
23:22 chris a = any
23:22 chris o = only this type
23:23 chris its how in old koha you could reserve just this itemtype (biblioitem in those days) or these 2 ... or any biblioitem
23:23 chris if you had an o, then you needed to look in the reserveconstraints table
23:23 chris to find the biblioitems you wanted
23:25 chris with the change to itemlevel reserves
23:25 chris it should be a for any item attached to this biblio, o for only these ones
23:28 kados huh, seems like it'd be a ton easier if we had primary keys on these tables
23:29 kados in fact, I can't think of a way to use reserveconstraints without a primary key on reserves
23:34 chris im pretty sure it used to
23:36 kados seriously? who would remove a primarykey?
23:36 kados that's just mental!
23:36 chris i was pretty keen on autoincrement columns, i had them on pretty much everything
23:37 chris it may have been in a fit of, this is mysql dependent, let me take it out madness at some point
00:47 atz chris: any respectable DB has autoincrement or a suitable stand-in (like a trigger on insert)
00:48 atz to sacrifice a primary key for a yet-still-miles-away possible DB independence doesn't make any sense to em
00:48 atz *me
01:06 atz my koha-devel mail is getting moderated now?
01:06 atz what's up w/ that?
01:15 chris hmm weird
01:42 kados I still don't see how reserveconstraints could ever have worked logically without a key on reserves table
01:43 kados no way to distinguish between multiple holds on a given biblio ... one patron's choice would have applied to all patrons with a hold on that biblio
01:43 chris yeah, that didnt happen
01:43 kados because basically, the biblionumber is the key
01:44 chris ill go look in the code sometime after work
01:44 chris and look at HLT, cos they still use it
01:44 kados that'd be helpful, thanks
01:46 chris its long enough to get a handhold again? :)
01:48 kados hehe
01:48 kados at the moment, yea
01:48 kados i did consider shaving it off for my beach trip, but wasn't super sunny here, so I didn't bother
01:49 kados + I've got some client visits later this month and a bald eyebrowless CEO doesn't tend to go over well ;-)
01:51 chris :-)
02:22 chris ack
02:22 chris did we add date::manip to circulation
02:22 chris that was taken out cos its a big performance hit
02:22 chris like nastily big
02:23 chris f you look in CPAN, you'll find that there are a number of Date and Time packages. Is Date::Manip the one you should be using? In my opinion, the answer is no most of the time. This sounds odd coming from the author of the software, but read on.
02:23 chris Date::Manip is written entirely in Perl. It's the most powerful of the date modules. It's also the biggest and slowest.
02:25 kados when did we add that back?
02:25 kados I took it out a year ago or so
02:25 chris 6 hours ago
02:25 chris yeah
02:25 kados shit
02:25 chris its been in and out a few times
02:26 kados I missed that
02:26 chris jesse weavers patch
02:26 chris[…]84d32bc64e026073f
02:26 kados yea, I'll revert it and let him know
02:26 kados thanks for the heads up
02:27 chris no worries, he did a nice commit message
02:27 chris so it set the alarm bells ringing :)
02:32 kados hey paul
02:32 kados paul: it's late in france, no?

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