| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:09 |
|
nengard |
with notice/status triggers -what does 'debar' mean? |
| 12:11 |
|
masonj |
its where a Jamaican goes to get a drink.. |
| 12:14 |
|
nengard |
masonj - you are so very helpful :) hehe |
| 12:14 |
|
Odd_Bloke |
So with the lack of a national library data source (British Library FTL), there are quite a few books that I can't find a MARC source for. Is there any way to get around this, or am I going to have to enter the MARC records myself? |
| 12:15 |
|
nengard |
i found this "account will automatically be debarred (frozen)" -- how is an account frozen? |
| 12:17 |
|
masonj |
in the borrowers modify screen |
| 12:18 |
|
masonj |
Patron Account Flags |
| 12:18 |
|
masonj |
1. Gone no Address: Yes No |
| 12:18 |
|
masonj |
2. Debarred: Yes No |
| 12:18 |
|
masonj |
3. Lost Card: Yes No |
| 12:18 |
|
masonj |
. |
| 12:18 |
|
masonj |
down the bottom |
| 12:21 |
|
nengard |
thanks masonj!!! |
| 12:21 |
|
masonj |
np |
| 13:57 |
|
acmoore |
There's a report about the test suite failing with compolaints about the koha.systempreferences table not existing. This seems to be a common failure. Is this because those tables are installed by the web installer, which hasn't run yet? |
| 13:57 |
|
acmoore |
I wonder if there's a good way around this chicken and egg problem. |
| 14:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
acmoore: override_system_preferences.pm in the old test suite was supposed to handle that |
| 14:04 |
|
acmoore |
ah. I thought I took out all database dependent stuff and putt it in the database_dependent.pl script. |
| 14:05 |
|
acmoore |
evidently not. |
| 14:05 |
|
acmoore |
it would be nice to be able to test stuff at install time, though. |
| 14:10 |
|
acmoore |
gmcharlt, it looks like there's a handful of tests that use the database that I didn't notice, like t/Date.t. I can move them to t/lib/KohaTest/... tests so they don't try to hit the database under a normal 'make test'. |
| 14:10 |
|
acmoore |
but, this still leaves the point that we don't really have a database to use to test in during install. |
| 14:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
acmoore: go ahead and move them |
| 14:11 |
|
acmoore |
I guess that's OK, though. since the t/database_dependent tests make thier own database. |
| 14:11 |
|
acmoore |
once that's a little more stable, we can have 'make test' run that stuff, perhaps. |
| 14:11 |
|
acmoore |
Does this sound like the reasonable course of action? |
| 14:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
for installation, perhaps just add a test to verify that the specified database exists |
| 14:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
acmoore: yes |
| 14:12 |
|
acmoore |
OK. I'll do that (eventually). I'll also reply to this user indicating that the test suite is a "work in progress", or perhaps a "doesn't work in progress"... |
| 14:16 |
|
atz |
acmoore: Date.t (not Dates.t) should be obsolete |
| 14:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok. obiviously, for general release, 'make test' should be always run cleanly |
| 14:17 |
|
acmoore |
atz, OK. Thanks. |
| 14:17 |
|
acmoore |
gmcharlt, I agree. I opened bug 2295 to move the test files around. |
| 14:17 |
|
acmoore |
atz, why is Date.t obsolete? |
| 14:18 |
|
acmoore |
atz, because C4::Date is obsolete? |
| 14:18 |
|
atz |
Date.pm was replaced by Dates.pm |
| 14:18 |
|
atz |
right |
| 14:19 |
|
acmoore |
oh. Hmm. well, I won't work too much on the tests, then. But maybe we should work to remove that library before 3.0 is final. Is it used too extensively to let us do that? |
| 14:19 |
|
atz |
i think the purge is fairly complete |
| 14:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
appears to be 100% complete |
| 14:22 |
|
acmoore |
atz, I do too. It looks like only misc/cronjobs/overduenotices-csv.pl still uses it, and that script is slated for replacement real soon now. |
| 14:22 |
|
acmoore |
I'll open a ticket to remove it. |
| 14:22 |
|
gmcharlt |
oops, 99% |
| 14:22 |
|
atz |
yeah, i was going to mention that the cron scripts were the last holdouts |
| 14:22 |
|
atz |
but since that is your area now, anyway |
| 14:25 |
|
acmoore |
bug 2296 opened for that. |
| 14:25 |
|
acmoore |
thanks, guys. |
| 15:02 |
|
paul |
hello ppl. |
| 15:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi paul |
| 15:03 |
|
paul |
a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries... |
| 15:03 |
|
paul |
I just recieved the "notification" this morning. |
| 15:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul++ |
| 15:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
BibLibre++ |
| 15:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
will you be sending out a press release? |
| 15:04 |
|
paul |
(at the moment, BibLibre is hiring 4 persons. 2 found, 1 probably found, 1 remaining -for a librarian-) |
| 15:05 |
|
acmoore |
that's great, paul! |
| 15:06 |
|
paul |
note it's a merge & migrate project : 3 universities merging to 1 |
| 15:06 |
|
paul |
in France, large cities have 3 or 4 or even 10 (Paris) Universities. |
| 15:06 |
|
acmoore |
will this "require" you spending the whole summer in Marseille? |
| 15:06 |
|
paul |
which is strange, that's why the gov has decided to merge some of them. |
| 15:07 |
|
paul |
acmoore: nope |
| 15:07 |
|
acmoore |
too bad. |
| 15:07 |
|
paul |
I suspect (although not sure at this moment) that the project start will be in september |
| 15:07 |
|
paul |
why too bad ? |
| 15:08 |
|
acmoore |
isn't it down on the Mediterranean coast? figured it would be a fun place. |
| 15:08 |
|
paul |
acmoore: I agree it's a fun place. And in fact (and that's what is beautiful), that where I live daily since 8 years :-D |
| 15:09 |
|
paul |
(that's beautiful to have such a contract with 20mn transport to reach the customer) |
| 15:09 |
|
acmoore |
ah. |
| 15:09 |
|
acmoore |
yeah, that's convenient! |
| 15:09 |
|
paul |
you must know that in France, from july 1st, to sept 1st, almost everything is stopped. |
| 15:10 |
|
paul |
and between jul15, and Aug15, really everything is stopped |
| 15:12 |
|
slef |
paul: congratulations! |
| 15:13 |
|
paul |
gmcharlt: yes, we will send out a press release, but maybe only in september (because, now, nobody will read it...) |
| 15:13 |
|
paul |
+ we are working on our new website |
| 15:14 |
|
slef |
paul: same here. What are you using? |
| 15:15 |
|
paul |
Drupal |
| 15:15 |
|
slef |
Ah, we're using that on customer sites. I'm looking at REST::Application for our own. |
| 15:15 |
|
slef |
(more experimental, but looks more fun to hack) |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
look at http://www.paulpoulain.com/drupal/ to see the project |
| 15:17 |
|
slef |
hahahaha surprisingly similar to our new site (which is currently on 127.0.0.something) |
| 15:19 |
|
slef |
great minds, huh? |
| 15:20 |
|
slef |
davi: awake? |
| 16:08 |
|
acmoore |
in case anyone is interested, I was just told that: MySQL is holding a live webinar tomorrow on how to utilize memcached: http://www.mysql.com/news-and-[…]/display-158.html |
| 16:17 |
|
kados |
paul: around? |
| 16:17 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 16:17 |
|
paul |
hi kados |
| 16:18 |
|
kados |
paul: to resolve CGI::Session::Serialize and help translators, I think I'll delay 3.0-final until Monday, is it OK with you? |
| 16:18 |
|
paul |
yes. + maybe hdl_laptop will have time to submit serials management modifs. |
| 16:19 |
|
kados |
OK |
| 16:19 |
|
paul |
(as, atm, it's badly broken, see recent bugzilla entry) |
| 16:19 |
|
kados |
I'll announce on koha-devel |
| 16:19 |
|
paul |
do you see my previous announcement here ? |
| 16:19 |
|
kados |
paul: no |
| 16:19 |
|
paul |
a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries... |
| 16:19 |
|
kados |
wow, that's great! |
| 16:19 |
|
kados |
congrats! |
| 16:19 |
|
paul |
note it's a merge & migrate project : 3 universities merging to 1 |
| 16:19 |
|
paul |
+ it's in Marseille, which is very nice. |
| 16:20 |
|
paul |
BibLibre hiring 4 ppl atm |
| 16:20 |
|
atz |
wow. big project |
| 16:20 |
|
paul |
2 are found (1 librarian, 1 dev), 1 probably found (dev) , 1 remaining (librarian position) |
| 16:20 |
|
paul |
it's a 350k€ contract. |
| 16:21 |
|
paul |
business x2 ! |
| 16:21 |
|
atz |
nicely done |
| 16:21 |
|
kados |
really great! |
| 16:21 |
|
paul |
won against Millenium, sirsiDinyx... |
| 16:22 |
|
kados |
paul++ |
| 16:22 |
|
kados |
that's awesome |
| 16:23 |
|
kados |
paul: so soon BibLibre will be larger than LibLime ;-) |
| 16:23 |
|
paul |
(in France : yearly market is around 50 000 000€) |
| 16:24 |
|
paul |
all project included |
| 16:24 |
|
paul |
all projects included |
| 16:24 |
|
kados |
in fact, for ILS in the US it's bonly about 60 million USD |
| 16:24 |
|
kados |
according to Marshall Breeding anyway |
| 16:25 |
|
paul |
? not that large. I think our 50millions are not for ILS only but for all IT projects |
| 16:25 |
|
kados |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]70770263&code=bib |
| 16:25 |
|
kados |
oops, 600 million I meant :-) |
| 16:26 |
|
paul |
mmm... I prefer that ! |
| 16:26 |
|
kados |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=13192 |
| 16:26 |
|
kados |
is the most recent article |
| 16:26 |
|
kados |
owen: that's the plan |
| 16:27 |
|
owen |
Wow, that's soon :) |
| 16:27 |
|
kados |
owen: yea ... |
| 16:28 |
|
kados |
owen: as always, it's a target ... and hopefully will motivate a big bug squashing effort |
| 16:30 |
|
acmoore |
I hope the (US) holiday weekend doesn't reduce our availalbe resources much. |
| 16:30 |
|
paul |
july 4th... |
| 16:32 |
|
owen |
I'm still unclear on what kind of patches are acceptable for the final release: Should there be no template changes that would affect translations? |
| 16:33 |
|
kados |
owen: in an ideal world, yes |
| 16:33 |
|
paul |
but when it's written "mange" instead of "manage", I think patches are OK ;-) |
| 16:33 |
|
paul |
kados : which patches from me do you have in your queue ? |
| 16:34 |
|
paul |
I have 7 |
| 16:34 |
|
kados |
paul: I haven't gotten to patch management yet today, but I'll check soon |
| 16:34 |
|
paul |
You're rejected one of them "Availability label" |
| 16:34 |
|
paul |
for 2 of them, i have no news fro myou : |
| 16:34 |
|
paul |
0002-bugfixing-scan-index.patch |
| 16:35 |
|
paul |
0003-bugfixing-itemtype-summary-it-summary-is-defined.patch |
| 16:35 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 16:35 |
|
paul |
which are OK I think |
| 16:35 |
|
kados |
I will look soon |
| 16:35 |
|
paul |
the 2 others are french specific (translation & unimarc) |
| 16:35 |
|
paul |
and the last one is about OAI unicode patch |
| 16:35 |
|
paul |
I think i didn't send you this one. |
| 16:36 |
|
kados |
OK |
| 16:36 |
|
paul |
oups. i'm wrong. I've send it on june 30 |
| 17:04 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kados : i really donot believe a last minute huge bugsquashing session is really good. |
| 17:08 |
|
kados |
yikes :-) |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
? |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
it's probably a translation patch |
| 17:08 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
(tmpl_process3.pl create a lot of git noise, even when you change only 10 lines |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
) |
| 17:12 |
|
paul |
hdl_laptop: do you mean your serials bugfixing may introduce new bugs ? |
| 17:12 |
|
paul |
s/may/will/ ? |
| 17:13 |
|
paul |
what about a quick & acceptable solution & a good & beautiful one later. |
| 17:13 |
|
paul |
(I know, you're in holiday next week...) |
| 17:16 |
|
paul |
time for dinner in France. bye bye |
| 18:07 |
|
acmoore |
If I want to send an email with an attachment in Koha, do I craft the attachment and the MIME boundaries and such myself? I don't see MIME::Lite or anything like that as a required module. |
| 18:24 |
|
kados |
acmoore: Mail::Sendmail is the preferred module atm I believe |
| 18:28 |
|
acmoore |
kados, so, we manually craft all the MIME parts like in http://alma.ch/perl/Mail-Sendm[…].html#attachments ? |
| 18:28 |
|
acmoore |
that's kind of a drag. Considering that I probably can't get MIME::Lite into the required modules at this point, maybe I'll wrap that code up in a module in C4 somewhere. |
| 18:46 |
|
acmoore |
For anyone interested, I'm currently running a bot on freenode in #kohanews. It announces things like changes to bugzilla bugs and to the git repository. Feel free to idle in #kohanews on freenode. |
| 18:46 |
|
acmoore |
if it seems like it's a useful tool, I can put it in here, though that might get annoying. |
| 19:32 |
|
acmoore |
does anyone else get warnings from the mail system about delays when sending emails to slef? I get them all the time, probably because of his greylisting, and I can't tell if he ever gets my mails or not. |
| 19:34 |
|
owen |
kados still around? |
| 19:36 |
|
acmoore |
holy cow, owen! that's a lot of non-US english you found. |
| 19:37 |
|
owen |
Yeah, just stuff that has been sitting there waiting for someone to make a decision about whether to standardize on en-US |
| 19:37 |
|
owen |
I'm thinking those changes don't have to affect any translations since it's just the spelling that has changed. |
| 20:15 |
|
atz |
acmoore: replied to list(s) regarding Context |
| 20:24 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kados : thanks for reporting. |
| 20:24 |
|
hdl_laptop |
(bugs on subscription). |
| 20:35 |
|
acmoore |
atz, thanks. I think you're right that the import sub is a bad idea. So, what do you think we ought to do to fix it? (in the next three days, and then in 3.2) |
| 20:37 |
|
atz |
tough call. it pisses me off, so if I were RM I'd hold up the show until it was fixed. But that's more on principle than pragmatics. |
| 20:38 |
|
atz |
pragmatically, maybe you just add a # FIXME in 3.2 |
| 20:38 |
|
atz |
and say it works "well enough" |
| 20:39 |
|
atz |
i'd like to move the initialization part to INIT |
| 20:39 |
|
kados |
atz++ |
| 20:40 |
|
atz |
and see if there are any timing issues w/ the way other modules use Context |
| 20:40 |
|
atz |
this is another thing I got snafu'd by in my first month on the job... |
| 20:40 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 20:41 |
|
atz |
trying to make Context a proper Exporter |
| 20:41 |
|
kados |
so what is the pragmatic reason to fix this, would he help with speed? |
| 20:41 |
|
kados |
s/he/it/ |
| 20:42 |
|
atz |
yeah, right now we reread KOHA_CONF for every "use Context" line |
| 20:42 |
|
kados |
*nod* |
| 20:42 |
|
kados |
I suspected that |
| 20:42 |
|
atz |
frederic's patch would at least cache it up on the first read |
| 20:43 |
|
atz |
but we wouldn't have this problem if Context weren't hacking import |
| 20:43 |
|
kados |
so there is a way to avoid that altogether? |
| 20:43 |
|
atz |
i expect the answer will be to use an INIT block rather than import |
| 20:44 |
|
acmoore |
it shouldn't be reading the conf file in the import method, but maybe frederic's patch makes it at least tolerable for now that it does that. |
| 20:44 |
|
atz |
INIT will run only once (regardless of how many sub modules use Context) |
| 20:44 |
|
acmoore |
atz, yeah, I can see putting it in an INIT block. |
| 20:44 |
|
acmoore |
should we try that this week? that's a call I don't know about. |
| 20:44 |
|
atz |
i suspect the original authors intended for something like that |
| 20:44 |
|
atz |
acmoore: i defer to kados on that |
| 20:44 |
|
kados |
and what are the drawbacks of testing and implementing this? |
| 20:45 |
|
kados |
seems like just a minor change in the way C4::Context is called, right? |
| 20:45 |
|
atz |
just that we mess w/ Context late in the game |
| 20:45 |
|
acmoore |
it costs someone .5 to 1 day, but we'd be able to tell pretty quickly if it's actually broken, because it would break everythig pretty obciously, don't you think? |
| 20:45 |
|
atz |
called exactly the same way... just the way it "catches" it's own use |
| 20:45 |
|
kados |
acmoore: that's my thinking |
| 20:46 |
|
atz |
i can do it tomorrow if that's the case |
| 20:46 |
|
acmoore |
atz, what does this bump out of your week? |
| 20:47 |
|
atz |
i'm on general cleanup right now |
| 20:47 |
|
kados |
can we get someone in the community to work on this? |
| 20:47 |
|
kados |
someone else I mean? :-) |
| 20:47 |
|
kados |
like MJ maybe? |
| 20:47 |
|
kados |
(isn't he the one that noticed this?) |
| 20:48 |
|
acmoore |
I'm not sure if frederic actually wants to be doing this, or if he just stumbled into it because he was investigating performance. |
| 20:48 |
|
atz |
he noticed it in the profiling frederic posted |
| 20:48 |
|
atz |
he, MJ |
| 20:48 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 20:48 |
|
atz |
greets chris |
| 20:49 |
|
kados |
hey chris |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
hey guys, how was ala? |
| 20:49 |
|
kados |
pretty good |
| 20:49 |
|
kados |
busy, but good |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
cool news about the XC partnership |
| 20:49 |
|
kados |
*nod* |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
and another sirsi dynix library bites they dust |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
they must be hating you :) |
| 20:50 |
|
kados |
:) |
| 20:50 |
|
atz |
chris: the feeling is mutual. |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
lol |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
http://litablog.org/2008/07/01[…]-supporting-koha/ |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
seen that? |
| 20:50 |
|
kados |
the people at SD are pretty good |
| 20:51 |
|
kados |
it's the management I have issue with |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
its often the way |
| 20:51 |
|
kados |
so I see it as my mission to rescue all those good employees ;-) |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 20:51 |
|
atz |
nice |
| 20:52 |
|
acmoore |
I notice that "Libraries could contract with any vendor to support the system, which is based on widely used web technologies like MySQL and PHP." |
| 20:52 |
|
acmoore |
then, what the heck is all this perl code doing? |
| 20:52 |
|
atz |
yeah, PHP |
| 20:52 |
|
atz |
? |
| 20:52 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 20:52 |
|
kados |
I said LAMP |
| 20:52 |
|
kados |
and maybe didn't specify perl |
| 20:52 |
|
atz |
ah |
| 20:52 |
|
kados |
(more likely, I did and the person who wrote that didn't catch it ;-)) |
| 20:53 |
|
atz |
perl is "like PHP" |
| 20:53 |
|
kados |
*nod* |
| 20:53 |
|
kados |
ahh, it was Chris Strauber ... I'll have to email him about that |
| 20:53 |
|
atz |
i saw SD announce that they will support MS SQL Server for Symphony... in Q2 2009 |
| 20:55 |
|
atz |
so SD libraries might get access to their data again... eventually... via another proprietary set of licenses |
| 20:55 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 21:01 |
|
kados |
so I guess we haven't resolved what to do about the C4::Context stuff |
| 21:01 |
|
atz |
true |
| 21:01 |
|
atz |
or rather, who to have do it and when. |
| 21:02 |
|
kados |
*nod* |
| 21:02 |
|
kados |
my inclination is to work on more noticible bugs |
| 21:02 |
|
kados |
as a first priority |
| 21:04 |
|
kados |
like say, 2297 |
| 21:06 |
|
atz |
i think we should officially remove the "hbyymmincr" barcode format |
| 21:06 |
|
atz |
both it's conception and execution are fundamentally flawed |
| 21:07 |
|
atz |
we've wasted a handful of hours on just one client site that tried to use it |
| 21:08 |
|
atz |
it's a barcode format that tries to make something like "MAIN08060001" |
| 21:08 |
|
atz |
08 (yy for 2008) and 06 (mm = june) |
| 21:09 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 21:09 |
|
kados |
yea, but I think people actually want to use it |
| 21:09 |
|
atz |
it doesn't make any real sense, limits you to 10,000 barcodes a year across all libraries, hardcodes the length of the branch name, etc. |
| 21:09 |
|
kados |
or do, in fact, use it |
| 21:09 |
|
atz |
if they do, they have exactly 3 letters in their branch code |
| 21:10 |
|
atz |
and most probably only 1 branch |
| 21:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kados : is 2297 always appearing or is it only when there are more than one subscription |
| 21:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
. |
| 21:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
? |
| 21:11 |
|
atz |
kados: it is not advisable to put the branch code in the actual barcode itself... just print it on there above the digits! |
| 21:12 |
|
atz |
the result is that to determine the "next" value you have to regexp every value in the index |
| 21:12 |
|
kados |
hdl_laptop: not sure |
| 21:13 |
|
atz |
it's a format that looks cute, but breaks (performance, logic, namespace) at every turn |
| 21:13 |
|
atz |
at worst, it should be deprecated and strongly discouraged |
| 21:15 |
|
kados |
atz: fair enough ... |
| 21:16 |
|
atz |
it will be easier to support something *like* that once my OO Barcodes come into play |
| 21:18 |
|
atz |
but i don't think the design is valid, regardless of implementation. i suspect it was designed before there was as much flexibility as the current barcodes generator provides (or perhaps to workaround bugs in the generator) |
| 21:18 |
|
kados |
atz: yea, I'm not sure, ryan might know |
| 21:19 |
|
atz |
since you can put the branch code and acquisition date right on the barcode. they don't need to be *part* of it. |
| 21:21 |
|
ryan |
hdl_laptop: 2297 happens with just one sub, afaict. |
| 21:27 |
|
acmoore |
atz, encoding data like that in ID's almost always goes wrong, somehow. |
| 21:28 |
|
atz |
yeah |
| 21:28 |
|
acmoore |
at least, it's almost always bit me in the rear every time I've tried it. |
| 21:28 |
|
atz |
one problem would be, say you want to move items... like consolidate branches |
| 21:28 |
|
atz |
wouldn't you prefer to NOT have to rebarcode everything? |
| 21:29 |
|
atz |
or to have old branch codes in your IDs? |
| 21:31 |
|
acmoore |
we would like to rename the branch after you, Mr. Donor, but in addition to changing the sign out front, we'd have to rebarcode everything. That will cost more than your donation. |
| 21:31 |
|
atz |
lol, nice |
| 21:31 |
|
acmoore |
I can reduce almost anything I don't like to a ridiculous scnerio. |
| 21:31 |
|
atz |
a valuable skill. |
| 21:32 |
|
acmoore |
makees up for my poor spelling and typing, I guess. |
| 21:56 |
|
hdl_laptop |
ryan: Do you still have links between serials and items ? |
| 21:56 |
|
hdl_laptop |
that is : if you edit a serial with an item that should have been linked to it, can you find it ? |
| 21:57 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I cannot. |
| 21:58 |
|
hdl_laptop |
ItemizeSerial donot call AddItem2Serial and AddItem value is never returned. |
| 21:58 |
|
hdl_laptop |
So that itemnumber is never used. |
| 22:00 |
|
rhcl |
kados: Sorry to break into the developters channel, but I'm reporting some of the chat tidbits to my director. Above there was a reference to another SD library biting the dust. |
| 22:00 |
|
rhcl |
Was that in reference to this: http://liblime.com/news-items/[…]a-zoom-and-yakpac |
| 22:01 |
|
rhcl |
sed s/developters/developers |
| 22:01 |
|
atz |
rhcl: i think not. |
| 22:01 |
|
atz |
i'm not sure who XC is though... |
| 22:01 |
|
atz |
xavier college perhaps? |
| 22:02 |
|
rhcl |
Ah, I figured that one out. http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=13381 |
| 22:03 |
|
atz |
ah, cool |
| 22:26 |
|
ryan |
hdl_laptop: regarding 2297, this occurs even before receiving a serial issue. |
| 22:27 |
|
ryan |
I get a duplicate in the MARC when saving the subscription. |
| 22:37 |
|
chris |
rhcl: yep i was referring to Salinas |
| 22:47 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I guess I can fix that one. |
| 22:48 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But duplication and other js bad design is a real real nightmare. |
| 22:48 |
|
hdl_laptop |
+ I would like to replace that js part with some ajax but it dosenot behave the way I expect. |
| 22:56 |
|
ryan |
hdl_laptop: yes, s/js/ajax/++ |
| 22:56 |
|
ryan |
much more reliable in perl, i think. |
| 22:56 |
|
ryan |
are you using CGI::Ajax ? |
| 22:58 |
|
hdl_laptop |
ryan: no. |
| 22:59 |
|
hdl_laptop |
jquery. |
| 22:59 |
|
chris |
jquery is cool too |
| 22:59 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Banging my head on the walls though. |
| 22:59 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I know what I want to do. |
| 23:00 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I am sure it is really cool. |
| 23:00 |
|
chris |
CGI::Ajax does make life a lot easier, as you just have to write the perl, and it deals with the rest (for the most part) |
| 23:01 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But new functions donot behave the way I want or are maybe not attached to the good item. |
| 23:01 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Maybe I should try that. |
| 23:01 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But it will be too late for final release any way. |
| 23:24 |
|
ryan |
s/js\/ajax/browser-calculated\/server-calculated/ |
| 23:25 |
|
ryan |
hdl_laptop: i think we do have some big problems with prediction patterns that maybe need to be fixed somehow before general release. |
| 23:25 |
|
ryan |
if not fully ajaxified. |
| 23:29 |
|
hdl_laptop |
ryan : I can send my work |
| 23:29 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But it is still in very alpha mode. |
| 23:29 |
|
hdl_laptop |
at least, there is the data structure. |
| 23:30 |
|
hdl_laptop |
And the predictive basis. |
| 23:32 |
|
hdl_laptop |
ryan : server calculated predictions and even adding all the subscriptions forecast at once was one of my goal. |
| 23:33 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But striving to understand the jquery logic made me loose much time. |
| 23:50 |
|
chris |
wow, awesome news on the mailing list |
| 23:50 |
|
nrp |
hello all |
| 23:52 |
|
chris |
hi nrp |
| 23:56 |
|
nrp |
i'm setting up koha 3 at a library that didnt have an ILS, and i have a few questions |
| 00:00 |
|
hdl_laptop |
nrs : pls talk |
| 00:00 |
|
hdl_laptop |
if anyone reading can answer you and has time, you'll be answered |
| 00:01 |
|
nrp |
how do I add a patron that has access to the staff client? |
| 00:01 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Add the patron |
| 00:01 |
|
hdl_laptop |
then + |
| 00:01 |
|
hdl_laptop |
and edit permissions. |
| 00:02 |
|
hdl_laptop |
any liblimer ? |
| 00:02 |
|
hdl_laptop |
ryan ? |
| 00:02 |
|
hdl_laptop |
where are the "MARC" pages hidden ? |
| 00:03 |
|
hdl_laptop |
What permissions they are under ? |
| 00:03 |
|
nrp |
oh, thanks. I see it now. I thought setting permissions would be on the page where you create the user |
| 03:30 |
|
Odd_Bloke |
What's the accepted way for adding new staff users? |
| 06:13 |
|
nrp |
is there a way to check if zebra is working properly |
| 06:13 |
|
nrp |
none of my searches return anything |
| 06:29 |
|
nrp |
err, hmm, the zebra log shows: 00:34:07-04/07 zebrasrv(6) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] |
| 06:29 |
|
nrp |
i have the daemon running as the same user koha is installed as |
| 06:32 |
|
nrp |
ah, oops, somehow that file was owned by root, though now searching still doesnt work |
| 06:33 |
|
nrp |
now i have Search biblios ERROR 109 followed by a bunch of stuff |
| 06:53 |
|
hdl_laptop |
database unavailable |
| 06:54 |
|
hdl_laptop |
have you reset your database and rebuild indexes ? |
| 06:54 |
|
hdl_laptop |
going out |
| 08:33 |
|
chris |
evening |
| 08:34 |
|
paul |
hi chris |
| 08:34 |
|
chris |
great news about venezuela today eh paul |
| 08:34 |
|
paul |
yep. |
| 08:34 |
|
paul |
did you see my announcement here ? |
| 08:34 |
|
paul |
probably not... |
| 08:34 |
|
chris |
hmm i might have missed it |
| 08:34 |
|
paul |
pasting it : |
| 08:35 |
|
paul |
a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries... |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
woo hooo |
| 08:35 |
|
paul |
2 are found (1 librarian, 1 dev), 1 probably found (dev) , 1 remaining (librarian position) |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
i new you were responding to the RFP |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
great news you got it |
| 08:35 |
|
paul |
BibLibre hiring 4 ppl atm |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
awesome |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
350k€ contract, won against all other usual vendors. |
| 08:36 |
|
chris |
excellent |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
(sirsidynix, millenium, Ever...) |
| 08:37 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 08:40 |
|
chris |
koha is becoming very strong in the south of france :) |
| 08:42 |
|
chris |
is one of the universities the one that toins went too? |
| 08:43 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 08:43 |
|
paul |
note that toins has decided not to come back to BibLibre. |
| 08:43 |
|
paul |
he want to "see something else" |
| 08:43 |
|
chris |
fair enough |
| 08:44 |
|
chris |
he's young, its a good time to try different things |
| 08:44 |
|
paul |
yep. + he is married now & his wife & him want to experiment an other country if it's possible. |
| 08:45 |
|
chris |
ah cool |
| 08:48 |
|
chris |
are the new biblibre staff in marseille ? |
| 08:49 |
|
paul |
nope, in Lyon |
| 08:49 |
|
paul |
& strasbourg |
| 08:50 |
|
chris |
mc is in strasbourg? |
| 08:50 |
|
paul |
yep. & the "probably found" also |
| 08:51 |
|
paul |
mmm... "staff" means "director board", or "everybody" ? |
| 08:51 |
|
chris |
staff usually means employees |
| 08:51 |
|
chris |
or everybody |
| 08:52 |
|
paul |
ok, then Lyon & strasbourg. |
| 08:52 |
|
paul |
+ 1 in Marseille |
| 08:52 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 08:53 |
|
chris |
so i have lots of places to visit next time im in France :-) |
| 08:57 |
|
chris |
when do the universities plan to go live with Koha? |
| 08:57 |
|
paul |
next summer |
| 08:57 |
|
chris |
ahh so a year, cool |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
thats not too crazy :) |
| 08:58 |
|
paul |
The 1sts step being to setup a test server with 1/3 of the catalogues & have 20 librarians testing & validating |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
sounds like a good plan |
| 08:59 |
|
chris |
do they need many new features? |
| 09:02 |
|
js |
Chris, you're welcome near Toulouse too ;) |
| 09:04 |
|
paul |
does spammer know git ? just recieved a spam titled "we cherry pick them for you" |
| 09:04 |
|
paul |
:-) |
| 09:06 |
|
chris |
ohhh Toulouse, they have a good rugby team :) |
| 09:06 |
|
paul |
yes : 2008 french champion |
| 09:09 |
|
chris |
it was on the news hear, because Byron Kelleher was crying with joy at the end of the game :) |
| 09:09 |
|
chris |
hear=here |
| 09:12 |
|
chris |
ohh the home of the author of Le Petit Prince |
| 09:13 |
|
chris |
ohhh and Fermat |
| 09:17 |
|
chris |
oohh and Foie gras |
| 09:17 |
|
chris |
im definitely visiting :-) |
| 09:17 |
|
paul |
toulouse is also famous for "Cassoulet" |
| 09:18 |
|
paul |
(every french city is famous for at least 3 food specialties in fact :D) |
| 09:18 |
|
js |
the red town |
| 09:19 |
|
js |
I think it's the better town in France after Paris |
| 09:19 |
|
js |
to visit of course, |
| 09:19 |
|
js |
not for living |
| 09:20 |
|
chris |
laurel is saying "oh yes i want to go there, they have good collection of Monet and Rodin" |
| 09:21 |
|
chris |
Saucisses de Toulouse |
| 09:21 |
|
chris |
that sounds good too : |
| 09:21 |
|
chris |
) |
| 09:22 |
|
js |
lol, but here, you say "Saucisse de Toulouse ConG" |
| 09:23 |
|
js |
and THAT sound goof |
| 09:23 |
|
js |
-f+d |
| 09:23 |
|
paul |
"ConG" = "con" with the accent. |
| 09:23 |
|
js |
;) |
| 09:23 |
|
paul |
con = dirty word, I let google translate tell you ;-) |
| 09:23 |
|
paul |
(although with Toulouse (or Marseille) accent, it's considered as acceptable, not dirty but "country" |
| 09:24 |
|
js |
nice definition paul ;) |
| 09:24 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 09:51 |
|
paul |
available quickly, lives in Marseille, and actually experimenting Koha for a library that wanted to try it... |
| 10:28 |
|
masonj |
a quick language question.. is uk_UA option english? |
| 10:29 |
|
masonj |
or ?ukraine? (long shot...) |
| 10:42 |
|
masonj |
congrats on biblibre success too paul! |
