Time  Nick       Message
10:42 masonj     congrats on biblibre success too paul!
10:29 masonj     or ?ukraine? (long shot...)
10:28 masonj     a quick language question.. is uk_UA option english?
09:51 paul       available quickly, lives in Marseille, and actually experimenting Koha for a library that wanted to try it...
09:24 chris      :)
09:24 js         nice definition paul ;)
09:23 paul       (although with Toulouse (or Marseille) accent, it's considered as acceptable, not dirty but "country"
09:23 paul       con = dirty word, I let google translate tell you ;-)
09:23 js         ;)
09:23 paul       "ConG" = "con" with the accent.
09:23 js         -f+d
09:23 js         and THAT sound goof
09:22 js         lol, but here, you say "Saucisse de Toulouse ConG"
09:21 chris      )
09:21 chris      that sounds good too :
09:21 chris      Saucisses de Toulouse
09:20 chris      laurel is saying "oh yes i want to go there, they have good collection of Monet and Rodin"
09:19 js         not for living
09:19 js         to visit of course,
09:19 js         I think it's the better town in France after Paris
09:18 js         the red town
09:18 paul       (every french city is famous for at least 3 food specialties in fact :D)
09:17 paul       toulouse is also famous for "Cassoulet"
09:17 chris      im definitely visiting :-)
09:17 chris      oohh and Foie gras
09:13 chris      ohhh and Fermat
09:12 chris      ohh the home of the author of Le Petit Prince
09:09 chris      hear=here
09:09 chris      it was on the news hear, because Byron Kelleher was crying with joy at the end of the game :)
09:06 paul       yes : 2008 french champion
09:06 chris      ohhh Toulouse, they have a good rugby team :)
09:04 paul       :-)
09:04 paul       does spammer know git ? just recieved a spam titled "we cherry pick them for you"
09:02 js         Chris, you're welcome near Toulouse too ;)
08:59 chris      do they need many new features?
08:58 chris      sounds like a good plan
08:58 paul       The 1sts step being to setup a test server with 1/3 of the catalogues & have 20 librarians testing & validating
08:58 chris      thats not too crazy :)
08:57 chris      ahh so a year, cool
08:57 paul       next summer
08:57 chris      when do the universities plan to go live with Koha?
08:53 chris      so i have lots of places to visit next time im in France :-)
08:52 chris      cool
08:52 paul       + 1 in Marseille
08:52 paul       ok, then Lyon & strasbourg.
08:51 chris      or everybody
08:51 chris      staff usually means employees
08:51 paul       mmm... "staff" means "director board", or "everybody" ?
08:50 paul       yep. & the "probably found" also
08:50 chris      mc is in strasbourg?
08:49 paul       & strasbourg
08:49 paul       nope, in Lyon
08:48 chris      are the new biblibre staff in marseille ?
08:45 chris      ah cool
08:44 paul       yep. + he is married now & his wife & him want to experiment an other country if it's possible.
08:44 chris      he's young, its a good time to try different things
08:43 chris      fair enough
08:43 paul       he want to "see something else"
08:43 paul       note that toins has decided not to come back to BibLibre.
08:43 chris      cool
08:43 paul       yep
08:42 chris      is one of the universities the one that toins went too?
08:40 chris      koha is becoming very strong in the south of france :)
08:37 chris      cool
08:36 paul       (sirsidynix, millenium, Ever...)
08:36 chris      excellent
08:36 paul       350k€ contract, won against all other usual vendors.
08:35 chris      awesome
08:35 paul       BibLibre hiring 4 ppl atm
08:35 chris      great news you got it
08:35 chris      i new you were responding to the RFP
08:35 paul       2 are found (1 librarian, 1 dev), 1 probably found (dev) , 1 remaining (librarian position)
08:35 chris      woo hooo
08:35 paul       a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries...
08:34 paul       pasting it :
08:34 chris      hmm i might have missed it
08:34 paul       probably not...
08:34 paul       did you see my announcement here ?
08:34 paul       yep.
08:34 chris      great news about venezuela today eh paul
08:34 paul       hi chris
08:33 chris      evening
06:54 hdl_laptop going out
06:54 hdl_laptop have you reset your database and rebuild indexes ?
06:53 hdl_laptop database unavailable
06:33 nrp        now i have Search biblios ERROR 109 followed by a bunch of stuff
06:32 nrp        ah, oops, somehow that file was owned by root, though now searching still doesnt work
06:29 nrp        i have the daemon running as the same user koha is installed as
06:29 nrp        err, hmm, the zebra log shows: 00:34:07-04/07 zebrasrv(6) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]
06:13 nrp        none of my searches return anything
06:13 nrp        is there a way to check if zebra is working properly
03:30 Odd_Bloke  What's the accepted way for adding new staff users?
00:03 nrp        oh, thanks. I see it now.  I thought setting permissions would be on the page where you create the user
00:03 hdl_laptop What permissions they are under ?
00:02 hdl_laptop where are the "MARC" pages  hidden ?
00:02 hdl_laptop ryan ?
00:02 hdl_laptop any liblimer ?
00:01 hdl_laptop and edit permissions.
00:01 hdl_laptop then +
00:01 hdl_laptop Add the patron
00:01 nrp        how do I add a patron that has access to the staff client?
00:00 hdl_laptop if anyone reading can answer  you and has time, you'll be answered
00:00 hdl_laptop nrs : pls talk
23:56 nrp        i'm setting up koha 3 at a library that didnt have an ILS, and i have a few questions
23:52 chris      hi nrp
23:50 nrp        hello all
23:50 chris      wow, awesome news on the mailing list
23:33 hdl_laptop But striving to understand the jquery logic made me loose much time.
23:32 hdl_laptop ryan : server calculated predictions and even adding all the subscriptions forecast at once was one of my goal.
23:30 hdl_laptop And the predictive basis.
23:29 hdl_laptop at least, there is the data structure.
23:29 hdl_laptop But it is still in very alpha mode.
23:29 hdl_laptop ryan : I can send my work
23:25 ryan       if not fully ajaxified.
23:25 ryan       hdl_laptop: i think we do have some big problems with prediction patterns that maybe need to be fixed somehow before general release.
23:24 ryan       s/js\/ajax/browser-calculated\/server-calculated/
23:01 hdl_laptop But it will be too late for final release any way.
23:01 hdl_laptop Maybe I should try that.
23:01 hdl_laptop But new functions donot behave the way I want or are maybe not attached to the good item.
23:00 chris      CGI::Ajax does make life a lot easier, as you just have to write the perl, and it deals with the rest (for the most part)
23:00 hdl_laptop I am sure it is really cool.
22:59 hdl_laptop I know what I want to do.
22:59 hdl_laptop Banging my head on the walls though.
22:59 chris      jquery is cool too
22:59 hdl_laptop jquery.
22:58 hdl_laptop ryan: no.
22:56 ryan       are you using CGI::Ajax ?
22:56 ryan       much more reliable in perl, i think.
22:56 ryan       hdl_laptop: yes, s/js/ajax/++
22:48 hdl_laptop + I would like to replace that js part with some ajax but it dosenot behave the way I expect.
22:48 hdl_laptop But duplication and other js bad design is a real real nightmare.
22:47 hdl_laptop I guess I can fix that one.
22:37 chris      rhcl: yep i was referring to Salinas
22:27 ryan       I get a duplicate in the MARC when saving the subscription.
22:26 ryan       hdl_laptop: regarding 2297, this occurs even before receiving a serial issue.
22:03 atz        ah, cool
22:02 rhcl       Ah, I figured that one out. http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=13381
22:01 atz        xavier college perhaps?
22:01 atz        i'm not sure who XC is though...
22:01 atz        rhcl: i think not.
22:01 rhcl       sed s/developters/developers
22:00 rhcl       Was that in reference to this: http://liblime.com/news-items/press-releases/salinas-public-library-selects-koha-zoom-and-yakpac
22:00 rhcl       kados: Sorry to break into the developters channel, but I'm reporting some of the chat tidbits to my director. Above there was a reference to another SD library biting the dust.
21:58 hdl_laptop So that itemnumber is never used.
21:58 hdl_laptop ItemizeSerial donot call AddItem2Serial and AddItem value is never returned.
21:57 hdl_laptop I cannot.
21:56 hdl_laptop that is : if you edit a serial with an item that should have been linked to it, can you find it ?
21:56 hdl_laptop ryan: Do you still have links between serials and items ?
21:32 acmoore    makees up for my poor spelling and typing, I guess.
21:31 atz        a valuable skill.
21:31 acmoore    I can reduce almost anything I don't like to a ridiculous scnerio.
21:31 atz        lol, nice
21:31 acmoore    we would like to rename the branch after you, Mr. Donor, but in addition to changing the sign out front, we'd have to rebarcode everything. That will cost more than your donation.
21:29 atz        or to have old branch codes in your IDs?
21:28 atz        wouldn't you prefer to NOT have to rebarcode everything?
21:28 atz        one problem would be, say you want to move items... like consolidate branches
21:28 acmoore    at least, it's almost always bit me in the rear every time I've tried it.
21:28 atz        yeah
21:27 acmoore    atz, encoding data like that in ID's almost always goes wrong, somehow.
21:21 ryan       hdl_laptop: 2297 happens with just one sub, afaict.
21:19 atz        since you can put the branch code and acquisition date right on the barcode.  they don't need to be *part* of it.
21:18 kados      atz: yea, I'm not sure, ryan might know
21:18 atz        but i don't think the design is valid, regardless of implementation.  i suspect it was designed before there was as much flexibility as the current barcodes generator provides (or perhaps to workaround bugs in the generator)
21:16 atz        it will be easier to support something *like* that once my OO Barcodes come into play
21:15 kados      atz: fair enough ...
21:13 atz        at worst, it should be deprecated and strongly discouraged
21:13 atz        it's a format that looks cute, but breaks (performance, logic, namespace) at every turn
21:12 kados      hdl_laptop: not sure
21:12 atz        the result is that to determine the "next" value you have to regexp every value in the index
21:11 atz        kados: it is not advisable to put the branch code in the actual barcode itself... just print it on there above the digits!
21:10 hdl_laptop ?
21:10 hdl_laptop .
21:10 hdl_laptop kados : is 2297 always appearing or is it only when there are more than one subscription
21:10 atz        and most probably only 1 branch
21:09 atz        if they do, they have exactly 3 letters in their branch code
21:09 kados      or do, in fact, use it
21:09 atz        it doesn't make any real sense, limits you to 10,000 barcodes a year across all libraries, hardcodes the length of the branch name, etc.
21:09 kados      yea, but I think people actually want to use it
21:09 kados      ahh
21:08 atz        08 (yy for 2008) and 06 (mm = june)
21:08 atz        it's a barcode format that tries to make something like  "MAIN08060001"
21:07 atz        we've wasted a handful of hours on just one client site that tried to use it
21:06 atz        both it's conception and execution are fundamentally flawed
21:06 atz        i think we should officially remove the "hbyymmincr" barcode format
21:04 kados      like say, 2297
21:02 kados      as a first priority
21:02 kados      my inclination is to work on more noticible bugs
21:02 kados      *nod*
21:01 atz        or rather, who to have do it and when.
21:01 atz        true
21:01 kados      so I guess we haven't resolved what to do about the C4::Context stuff
20:57 chris      heh
20:55 kados      hehe
20:55 atz        so SD libraries might get access to their data again... eventually... via another proprietary set of licenses
20:53 atz        i saw SD announce that they will support MS SQL Server for Symphony... in Q2 2009
20:53 kados      ahh, it was Chris Strauber ... I'll have to email him about that
20:53 kados      *nod*
20:53 atz        perl is "like PHP"
20:52 kados      (more likely, I did and the person who wrote that didn't catch it ;-))
20:52 atz        ah
20:52 kados      and maybe didn't specify perl
20:52 kados      I said LAMP
20:52 kados      hehe
20:52 atz        ?
20:52 atz        yeah, PHP
20:52 acmoore    then, what the heck is all this perl code doing?
20:52 acmoore    I notice that "Libraries could contract with any vendor to support the system, which is based on widely used web technologies like MySQL and PHP."
20:51 atz        nice
20:51 chris      hehe
20:51 kados      so I see it as my mission to rescue all those good employees ;-)
20:51 chris      its often the way
20:51 chris      yeah
20:51 kados      it's the management I have issue with
20:50 kados      the people at SD are pretty good
20:50 chris      seen that?
20:50 chris      http://litablog.org/2008/07/01/building-and-supporting-koha/
20:50 chris      lol
20:50 atz        chris: the feeling is mutual.
20:50 kados      :)
20:50 chris      they must be hating you :)
20:50 chris      and another sirsi dynix library bites they dust
20:49 kados      *nod*
20:49 chris      cool news about the XC partnership
20:49 kados      busy, but good
20:49 kados      pretty good
20:49 chris      hey guys, how was ala?
20:49 kados      hey chris
20:48 atz        greets chris
20:48 chris      morning
20:48 atz        he, MJ
20:48 atz        he noticed it in the profiling frederic posted
20:48 acmoore    I'm not sure if frederic actually wants to be doing this, or if he just stumbled into it because he was investigating performance.
20:47 kados      (isn't he the one that noticed this?)
20:47 kados      like MJ maybe?
20:47 kados      someone else I mean? :-)
20:47 kados      can we get someone in the community to work on this?
20:47 atz        i'm on general cleanup right now
20:46 acmoore    atz, what does this bump out of your week?
20:46 atz        i can do it tomorrow if that's the case
20:45 kados      acmoore: that's my thinking
20:45 atz        called exactly the same way... just the way it "catches" it's own use
20:45 acmoore    it costs someone .5 to 1 day, but we'd be able to tell pretty quickly if it's actually broken, because it would break everythig pretty obciously, don't you think?
20:45 atz        just that we mess w/ Context late in the game
20:45 kados      seems like just a minor change in the way C4::Context is called, right?
20:44 kados      and what are the drawbacks of testing and implementing this?
20:44 atz        acmoore: i defer to kados on that
20:44 atz        i suspect the original authors intended for something like that
20:44 acmoore    should we try that this week? that's a call I don't know about.
20:44 acmoore    atz, yeah, I can see putting it in an INIT block.
20:44 atz        INIT will run only once (regardless of how many sub modules use Context)
20:44 acmoore    it shouldn't be reading the conf file in the import method, but maybe frederic's patch makes it at least tolerable for now that it does that.
20:43 atz        i expect the answer will be to use an INIT block rather than import
20:43 kados      so there is a way to avoid that altogether?
20:43 atz        but we wouldn't have this problem if Context weren't hacking import
20:42 atz        frederic's patch would at least cache it up on the first read
20:42 kados      I suspected that
20:42 kados      *nod*
20:42 atz        yeah, right now we reread KOHA_CONF for every "use Context" line
20:41 kados      s/he/it/
20:41 kados      so what is the pragmatic reason to fix this, would he help with speed?
20:41 atz        trying to make Context a proper Exporter
20:40 kados      yea
20:40 atz        this is another thing I got snafu'd by in my first month on the job...
20:40 atz        and see if there are any timing issues w/ the way other modules use Context
20:39 kados      atz++
20:39 atz        i'd like to move the initialization part to INIT
20:38 atz        and say it works "well enough"
20:38 atz        pragmatically, maybe you just add a  # FIXME in 3.2
20:37 atz        tough call.  it pisses me off, so if I were RM I'd hold up the show until it was fixed.  But that's more on principle than pragmatics.
20:35 acmoore    atz, thanks. I think you're right that the import sub is a bad idea. So, what do you think we ought to do to fix it? (in the next three days, and then in 3.2)
20:24 hdl_laptop (bugs on subscription).
20:24 hdl_laptop kados : thanks for reporting.
20:15 atz        acmoore: replied to list(s) regarding Context
19:37 owen       I'm thinking those changes don't have to affect any translations since it's just the spelling that has changed.
19:37 owen       Yeah, just stuff that has been sitting there waiting for someone to make a decision about whether to standardize on en-US
19:36 acmoore    holy cow, owen! that's a lot of non-US english you found.
19:34 owen       kados still around?
19:32 acmoore    does anyone else get warnings from the mail system about delays when sending emails to slef? I get them all the time, probably because of his greylisting, and I can't tell if he ever gets my mails or not.
18:46 acmoore    if it seems like it's a useful tool, I can put it in here, though that might get annoying.
18:46 acmoore    For anyone interested, I'm currently running a bot on freenode in #kohanews. It announces things like changes to bugzilla bugs and to the git repository. Feel free to idle in #kohanews on freenode.
18:28 acmoore    that's kind of a drag. Considering that I probably can't get MIME::Lite into the required modules at this point, maybe I'll wrap that code up in a module in C4 somewhere.
18:28 acmoore    kados, so, we manually craft all the MIME parts like in http://alma.ch/perl/Mail-Sendmail-FAQ.html#attachments ?
18:24 kados      acmoore: Mail::Sendmail is the preferred module atm I believe
18:07 acmoore    If I want to send an email with an attachment in Koha, do I craft the attachment and the MIME boundaries and such myself? I don't see MIME::Lite or anything like that as a required module.
17:16 paul       time for dinner in France. bye bye
17:13 paul       (I know, you're in holiday next week...)
17:13 paul       what about a quick & acceptable solution & a good & beautiful one later.
17:12 paul       s/may/will/ ?
17:12 paul       hdl_laptop: do you mean your serials bugfixing may introduce new bugs ?
17:08 paul       )
17:08 paul       (tmpl_process3.pl create a lot of git noise, even when you change only 10 lines
17:08 kados      yep
17:08 paul       it's probably a translation patch
17:08 paul       ?
17:08 kados      yikes :-)
17:04 hdl_laptop kados : i really donot believe a last minute huge bugsquashing session is really good.
16:36 paul       oups. i'm wrong. I've send it on june 30
16:36 kados      OK
16:35 paul       I think i didn't send you this one.
16:35 paul       and the last one is about OAI unicode patch
16:35 paul       the 2 others are french specific (translation & unimarc)
16:35 kados      I will look soon
16:35 paul       which are OK I think
16:35 kados      hmmm
16:35 paul       0003-bugfixing-itemtype-summary-it-summary-is-defined.patch
16:34 paul       0002-bugfixing-scan-index.patch
16:34 paul       for 2 of them, i have no news fro myou :
16:34 paul       You're rejected one of them "Availability label"
16:34 kados      paul: I haven't gotten to patch management yet today, but I'll check soon
16:34 paul       I have 7
16:33 paul       kados : which patches from me do you have in your queue ?
16:33 paul       but when it's written "mange" instead of "manage", I think patches are OK ;-)
16:33 kados      owen: in an ideal world, yes
16:32 owen       I'm still unclear on what kind of patches are acceptable for the final release: Should there be no template changes that would affect translations?
16:30 paul       july 4th...
16:30 acmoore    I hope the (US) holiday weekend doesn't reduce our availalbe resources much.
16:28 kados      owen: as always, it's a target ... and hopefully will motivate a big bug squashing effort
16:27 kados      owen: yea ...
16:27 owen       Wow, that's soon :)
16:26 kados      owen: that's the plan
16:26 kados      is the most recent article
16:26 kados      http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=13192
16:26 paul       mmm... I prefer that !
16:25 kados      oops, 600 million I meant :-)
16:25 kados      http://www.librarytechnology.org/AutomationSystemMarketplace.pl?SID=20080702570770263&code=bib
16:25 paul       ? not that large. I think our 50millions are not for ILS only but for all IT projects
16:24 kados      according to Marshall Breeding anyway
16:24 kados      in fact, for ILS in the US it's bonly about 60 million USD
16:24 paul       all projects included
16:24 paul       all project included
16:23 paul       (in France : yearly market is around 50 000 000€)
16:23 kados      paul: so soon BibLibre will be larger than LibLime ;-)
16:22 kados      that's awesome
16:22 kados      paul++
16:21 paul       won against Millenium, sirsiDinyx...
16:21 kados      really great!
16:21 atz        nicely done
16:21 paul       business x2 !
16:20 paul       it's a 350k€ contract.
16:20 paul       2 are found (1 librarian, 1 dev), 1 probably found (dev) , 1 remaining (librarian position)
16:20 atz        wow.  big project
16:20 paul       BibLibre hiring 4 ppl atm
16:19 paul       + it's in Marseille, which is very nice.
16:19 paul       note it's a merge & migrate project : 3 universities merging to 1
16:19 kados      congrats!
16:19 kados      wow, that's great!
16:19 paul       a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries...
16:19 kados      paul: no
16:19 paul       do you see my previous announcement here ?
16:19 kados      I'll announce on koha-devel
16:19 paul       (as, atm, it's badly broken, see recent bugzilla entry)
16:19 kados      OK
16:18 paul       yes. + maybe hdl_laptop will have time to submit serials management modifs.
16:18 kados      paul: to resolve CGI::Session::Serialize and help translators, I think I'll delay 3.0-final until Monday, is it OK with you?
16:17 paul       hi kados
16:17 paul       yep
16:17 kados      paul: around?
16:08 acmoore    in case anyone is interested, I was just told that: MySQL is holding a live webinar tomorrow on how to utilize memcached: http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/web-seminars/display-158.html
15:20 slef       davi: awake?
15:19 slef       great minds, huh?
15:17 slef       hahahaha surprisingly similar to our new site (which is currently on 127.0.0.something)
15:16 paul       look at http://www.paulpoulain.com/drupal/ to see the project
15:15 slef       (more experimental, but looks more fun to hack)
15:15 slef       Ah, we're using that on customer sites.  I'm looking at REST::Application for our own.
15:15 paul       Drupal
15:14 slef       paul: same here.  What are you using?
15:13 paul       + we are working on our new website
15:13 paul       gmcharlt: yes, we will send out a press release, but maybe only in september (because, now, nobody will read it...)
15:12 slef       paul: congratulations!
15:10 paul       and between jul15, and Aug15, really everything is stopped
15:09 paul       you must know that in France, from july 1st, to sept 1st, almost everything is stopped.
15:09 acmoore    yeah, that's convenient!
15:09 acmoore    ah.
15:09 paul       (that's beautiful to have such a contract with 20mn transport to reach the customer)
15:08 paul       acmoore: I agree it's a fun place. And in fact (and that's what is beautiful), that where I live daily since 8 years :-D
15:08 acmoore    isn't it down on the Mediterranean coast? figured it would be a fun place.
15:07 paul       why too bad ?
15:07 paul       I suspect (although not sure at this moment) that the project start will be in september
15:07 acmoore    too bad.
15:07 paul       acmoore: nope
15:06 paul       which is strange, that's why the gov has decided to merge some of them.
15:06 acmoore    will this "require" you spending the whole summer in Marseille?
15:06 paul       in France, large cities have 3 or 4 or even 10 (Paris) Universities.
15:06 paul       note it's a merge & migrate project : 3 universities merging to 1
15:05 acmoore    that's great, paul!
15:04 paul       (at the moment, BibLibre is hiring 4 persons. 2 found, 1 probably found, 1 remaining -for a librarian-)
15:04 gmcharlt   will you be sending out a press release?
15:03 gmcharlt   BibLibre++
15:03 gmcharlt   paul++
15:03 paul       I just recieved the "notification" this morning.
15:03 paul       a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries...
15:03 gmcharlt   hi paul
15:02 paul       hello ppl.
14:25 acmoore    thanks, guys.
14:25 acmoore    bug 2296 opened for that.
14:22 atz        but since that is your area now, anyway
14:22 atz        yeah, i was going to mention that the cron scripts were the last holdouts
14:22 gmcharlt   oops, 99%
14:22 acmoore    I'll open a ticket to remove it.
14:22 acmoore    atz, I do too. It looks like only misc/cronjobs/overduenotices-csv.pl still uses it, and that script is slated for replacement real soon now.
14:21 gmcharlt   appears to be 100% complete
14:19 atz        i think the purge is fairly complete
14:19 acmoore    oh. Hmm. well, I won't work too much on the tests, then. But maybe we should work to remove that library before 3.0 is final. Is it used too extensively to let us do that?
14:18 atz        right
14:18 atz        Date.pm was replaced by Dates.pm
14:18 acmoore    atz, because C4::Date is obsolete?
14:17 acmoore    atz, why is Date.t obsolete?
14:17 acmoore    gmcharlt, I agree. I opened bug 2295 to move the test files around.
14:17 acmoore    atz, OK. Thanks.
14:16 gmcharlt   ok.  obiviously, for general release, 'make test' should be always run cleanly
14:16 atz        acmoore: Date.t (not Dates.t) should be obsolete
14:12 acmoore    OK. I'll do that (eventually). I'll also reply to this user indicating that the test suite is a "work in progress", or perhaps a "doesn't work in progress"...
14:11 gmcharlt   acmoore: yes
14:11 gmcharlt   for installation, perhaps just add a test to verify that the specified database exists
14:11 acmoore    Does this sound like the reasonable course of action?
14:11 acmoore    once that's a little more stable, we can have 'make test' run that stuff, perhaps.
14:11 acmoore    I guess that's OK, though. since the t/database_dependent tests make thier own database.
14:11 gmcharlt   acmoore: go ahead and move them
14:10 acmoore    but, this still leaves the point that we don't really have a database to use to test in during install.
14:10 acmoore    gmcharlt, it looks like there's a handful of tests that use the database that I didn't notice, like t/Date.t. I can move them to t/lib/KohaTest/... tests so they don't try to hit the database under a normal 'make test'.
14:05 acmoore    it would be nice to be able to test stuff at install time, though.
14:05 acmoore    evidently not.
14:04 acmoore    ah. I thought I took out all database dependent stuff and putt it in the database_dependent.pl script.
14:03 gmcharlt   acmoore: override_system_preferences.pm in the old test suite was supposed to handle that
13:57 acmoore    I wonder if there's a good way around this chicken and egg problem.
13:57 acmoore    There's a report about the test suite failing with compolaints about the koha.systempreferences table not existing. This seems to be a common failure. Is this because those tables are installed by the web installer, which hasn't run yet?
12:21 masonj     np
12:21 nengard    thanks masonj!!!
12:18 masonj     down the bottom
12:18 masonj     .
12:18 masonj        3. Lost Card: Yes No
12:18 masonj        2. Debarred: Yes No
12:18 masonj        1. Gone no Address: Yes No
12:18 masonj      Patron Account Flags
12:17 masonj     in the borrowers modify screen
12:15 nengard    i found this "account will automatically be debarred (frozen)" -- how is an account frozen?
12:14 Odd_Bloke  So with the lack of a national library data source (British Library FTL), there are quite a few books that I can't find a MARC source for.  Is there any way to get around this, or am I going to have to enter the MARC records myself?
12:14 nengard    masonj - you are so very helpful :) hehe
12:11 masonj     its where a Jamaican goes to get a drink..
12:09 nengard    with notice/status triggers  -what does 'debar' mean?