Time Nick Message 10:42 masonj congrats on biblibre success too paul! 10:29 masonj or ?ukraine? (long shot...) 10:28 masonj a quick language question.. is uk_UA option english? 09:51 paul available quickly, lives in Marseille, and actually experimenting Koha for a library that wanted to try it... 09:24 chris :) 09:24 js nice definition paul ;) 09:23 paul (although with Toulouse (or Marseille) accent, it's considered as acceptable, not dirty but "country" 09:23 paul con = dirty word, I let google translate tell you ;-) 09:23 js ;) 09:23 paul "ConG" = "con" with the accent. 09:23 js -f+d 09:23 js and THAT sound goof 09:22 js lol, but here, you say "Saucisse de Toulouse ConG" 09:21 chris ) 09:21 chris that sounds good too : 09:21 chris Saucisses de Toulouse 09:20 chris laurel is saying "oh yes i want to go there, they have good collection of Monet and Rodin" 09:19 js not for living 09:19 js to visit of course, 09:19 js I think it's the better town in France after Paris 09:18 js the red town 09:18 paul (every french city is famous for at least 3 food specialties in fact :D) 09:17 paul toulouse is also famous for "Cassoulet" 09:17 chris im definitely visiting :-) 09:17 chris oohh and Foie gras 09:13 chris ohhh and Fermat 09:12 chris ohh the home of the author of Le Petit Prince 09:09 chris hear=here 09:09 chris it was on the news hear, because Byron Kelleher was crying with joy at the end of the game :) 09:06 paul yes : 2008 french champion 09:06 chris ohhh Toulouse, they have a good rugby team :) 09:04 paul :-) 09:04 paul does spammer know git ? just recieved a spam titled "we cherry pick them for you" 09:02 js Chris, you're welcome near Toulouse too ;) 08:59 chris do they need many new features? 08:58 chris sounds like a good plan 08:58 paul The 1sts step being to setup a test server with 1/3 of the catalogues & have 20 librarians testing & validating 08:58 chris thats not too crazy :) 08:57 chris ahh so a year, cool 08:57 paul next summer 08:57 chris when do the universities plan to go live with Koha? 08:53 chris so i have lots of places to visit next time im in France :-) 08:52 chris cool 08:52 paul + 1 in Marseille 08:52 paul ok, then Lyon & strasbourg. 08:51 chris or everybody 08:51 chris staff usually means employees 08:51 paul mmm... "staff" means "director board", or "everybody" ? 08:50 paul yep. & the "probably found" also 08:50 chris mc is in strasbourg? 08:49 paul & strasbourg 08:49 paul nope, in Lyon 08:48 chris are the new biblibre staff in marseille ? 08:45 chris ah cool 08:44 paul yep. + he is married now & his wife & him want to experiment an other country if it's possible. 08:44 chris he's young, its a good time to try different things 08:43 chris fair enough 08:43 paul he want to "see something else" 08:43 paul note that toins has decided not to come back to BibLibre. 08:43 chris cool 08:43 paul yep 08:42 chris is one of the universities the one that toins went too? 08:40 chris koha is becoming very strong in the south of france :) 08:37 chris cool 08:36 paul (sirsidynix, millenium, Ever...) 08:36 chris excellent 08:36 paul 350k€ contract, won against all other usual vendors. 08:35 chris awesome 08:35 paul BibLibre hiring 4 ppl atm 08:35 chris great news you got it 08:35 chris i new you were responding to the RFP 08:35 paul 2 are found (1 librarian, 1 dev), 1 probably found (dev) , 1 remaining (librarian position) 08:35 chris woo hooo 08:35 paul a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries... 08:34 paul pasting it : 08:34 chris hmm i might have missed it 08:34 paul probably not... 08:34 paul did you see my announcement here ? 08:34 paul yep. 08:34 chris great news about venezuela today eh paul 08:34 paul hi chris 08:33 chris evening 06:54 hdl_laptop going out 06:54 hdl_laptop have you reset your database and rebuild indexes ? 06:53 hdl_laptop database unavailable 06:33 nrp now i have Search biblios ERROR 109 followed by a bunch of stuff 06:32 nrp ah, oops, somehow that file was owned by root, though now searching still doesnt work 06:29 nrp i have the daemon running as the same user koha is installed as 06:29 nrp err, hmm, the zebra log shows: 00:34:07-04/07 zebrasrv(6) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] 06:13 nrp none of my searches return anything 06:13 nrp is there a way to check if zebra is working properly 03:30 Odd_Bloke What's the accepted way for adding new staff users? 00:03 nrp oh, thanks. I see it now. I thought setting permissions would be on the page where you create the user 00:03 hdl_laptop What permissions they are under ? 00:02 hdl_laptop where are the "MARC" pages hidden ? 00:02 hdl_laptop ryan ? 00:02 hdl_laptop any liblimer ? 00:01 hdl_laptop and edit permissions. 00:01 hdl_laptop then + 00:01 hdl_laptop Add the patron 00:01 nrp how do I add a patron that has access to the staff client? 00:00 hdl_laptop if anyone reading can answer you and has time, you'll be answered 00:00 hdl_laptop nrs : pls talk 23:56 nrp i'm setting up koha 3 at a library that didnt have an ILS, and i have a few questions 23:52 chris hi nrp 23:50 nrp hello all 23:50 chris wow, awesome news on the mailing list 23:33 hdl_laptop But striving to understand the jquery logic made me loose much time. 23:32 hdl_laptop ryan : server calculated predictions and even adding all the subscriptions forecast at once was one of my goal. 23:30 hdl_laptop And the predictive basis. 23:29 hdl_laptop at least, there is the data structure. 23:29 hdl_laptop But it is still in very alpha mode. 23:29 hdl_laptop ryan : I can send my work 23:25 ryan if not fully ajaxified. 23:25 ryan hdl_laptop: i think we do have some big problems with prediction patterns that maybe need to be fixed somehow before general release. 23:24 ryan s/js\/ajax/browser-calculated\/server-calculated/ 23:01 hdl_laptop But it will be too late for final release any way. 23:01 hdl_laptop Maybe I should try that. 23:01 hdl_laptop But new functions donot behave the way I want or are maybe not attached to the good item. 23:00 chris CGI::Ajax does make life a lot easier, as you just have to write the perl, and it deals with the rest (for the most part) 23:00 hdl_laptop I am sure it is really cool. 22:59 hdl_laptop I know what I want to do. 22:59 hdl_laptop Banging my head on the walls though. 22:59 chris jquery is cool too 22:59 hdl_laptop jquery. 22:58 hdl_laptop ryan: no. 22:56 ryan are you using CGI::Ajax ? 22:56 ryan much more reliable in perl, i think. 22:56 ryan hdl_laptop: yes, s/js/ajax/++ 22:48 hdl_laptop + I would like to replace that js part with some ajax but it dosenot behave the way I expect. 22:48 hdl_laptop But duplication and other js bad design is a real real nightmare. 22:47 hdl_laptop I guess I can fix that one. 22:37 chris rhcl: yep i was referring to Salinas 22:27 ryan I get a duplicate in the MARC when saving the subscription. 22:26 ryan hdl_laptop: regarding 2297, this occurs even before receiving a serial issue. 22:03 atz ah, cool 22:02 rhcl Ah, I figured that one out. http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=13381 22:01 atz xavier college perhaps? 22:01 atz i'm not sure who XC is though... 22:01 atz rhcl: i think not. 22:01 rhcl sed s/developters/developers 22:00 rhcl Was that in reference to this: http://liblime.com/news-items/press-releases/salinas-public-library-selects-koha-zoom-and-yakpac 22:00 rhcl kados: Sorry to break into the developters channel, but I'm reporting some of the chat tidbits to my director. Above there was a reference to another SD library biting the dust. 21:58 hdl_laptop So that itemnumber is never used. 21:58 hdl_laptop ItemizeSerial donot call AddItem2Serial and AddItem value is never returned. 21:57 hdl_laptop I cannot. 21:56 hdl_laptop that is : if you edit a serial with an item that should have been linked to it, can you find it ? 21:56 hdl_laptop ryan: Do you still have links between serials and items ? 21:32 acmoore makees up for my poor spelling and typing, I guess. 21:31 atz a valuable skill. 21:31 acmoore I can reduce almost anything I don't like to a ridiculous scnerio. 21:31 atz lol, nice 21:31 acmoore we would like to rename the branch after you, Mr. Donor, but in addition to changing the sign out front, we'd have to rebarcode everything. That will cost more than your donation. 21:29 atz or to have old branch codes in your IDs? 21:28 atz wouldn't you prefer to NOT have to rebarcode everything? 21:28 atz one problem would be, say you want to move items... like consolidate branches 21:28 acmoore at least, it's almost always bit me in the rear every time I've tried it. 21:28 atz yeah 21:27 acmoore atz, encoding data like that in ID's almost always goes wrong, somehow. 21:21 ryan hdl_laptop: 2297 happens with just one sub, afaict. 21:19 atz since you can put the branch code and acquisition date right on the barcode. they don't need to be *part* of it. 21:18 kados atz: yea, I'm not sure, ryan might know 21:18 atz but i don't think the design is valid, regardless of implementation. i suspect it was designed before there was as much flexibility as the current barcodes generator provides (or perhaps to workaround bugs in the generator) 21:16 atz it will be easier to support something *like* that once my OO Barcodes come into play 21:15 kados atz: fair enough ... 21:13 atz at worst, it should be deprecated and strongly discouraged 21:13 atz it's a format that looks cute, but breaks (performance, logic, namespace) at every turn 21:12 kados hdl_laptop: not sure 21:12 atz the result is that to determine the "next" value you have to regexp every value in the index 21:11 atz kados: it is not advisable to put the branch code in the actual barcode itself... just print it on there above the digits! 21:10 hdl_laptop ? 21:10 hdl_laptop . 21:10 hdl_laptop kados : is 2297 always appearing or is it only when there are more than one subscription 21:10 atz and most probably only 1 branch 21:09 atz if they do, they have exactly 3 letters in their branch code 21:09 kados or do, in fact, use it 21:09 atz it doesn't make any real sense, limits you to 10,000 barcodes a year across all libraries, hardcodes the length of the branch name, etc. 21:09 kados yea, but I think people actually want to use it 21:09 kados ahh 21:08 atz 08 (yy for 2008) and 06 (mm = june) 21:08 atz it's a barcode format that tries to make something like "MAIN08060001" 21:07 atz we've wasted a handful of hours on just one client site that tried to use it 21:06 atz both it's conception and execution are fundamentally flawed 21:06 atz i think we should officially remove the "hbyymmincr" barcode format 21:04 kados like say, 2297 21:02 kados as a first priority 21:02 kados my inclination is to work on more noticible bugs 21:02 kados *nod* 21:01 atz or rather, who to have do it and when. 21:01 atz true 21:01 kados so I guess we haven't resolved what to do about the C4::Context stuff 20:57 chris heh 20:55 kados hehe 20:55 atz so SD libraries might get access to their data again... eventually... via another proprietary set of licenses 20:53 atz i saw SD announce that they will support MS SQL Server for Symphony... in Q2 2009 20:53 kados ahh, it was Chris Strauber ... I'll have to email him about that 20:53 kados *nod* 20:53 atz perl is "like PHP" 20:52 kados (more likely, I did and the person who wrote that didn't catch it ;-)) 20:52 atz ah 20:52 kados and maybe didn't specify perl 20:52 kados I said LAMP 20:52 kados hehe 20:52 atz ? 20:52 atz yeah, PHP 20:52 acmoore then, what the heck is all this perl code doing? 20:52 acmoore I notice that "Libraries could contract with any vendor to support the system, which is based on widely used web technologies like MySQL and PHP." 20:51 atz nice 20:51 chris hehe 20:51 kados so I see it as my mission to rescue all those good employees ;-) 20:51 chris its often the way 20:51 chris yeah 20:51 kados it's the management I have issue with 20:50 kados the people at SD are pretty good 20:50 chris seen that? 20:50 chris http://litablog.org/2008/07/01/building-and-supporting-koha/ 20:50 chris lol 20:50 atz chris: the feeling is mutual. 20:50 kados :) 20:50 chris they must be hating you :) 20:50 chris and another sirsi dynix library bites they dust 20:49 kados *nod* 20:49 chris cool news about the XC partnership 20:49 kados busy, but good 20:49 kados pretty good 20:49 chris hey guys, how was ala? 20:49 kados hey chris 20:48 atz greets chris 20:48 chris morning 20:48 atz he, MJ 20:48 atz he noticed it in the profiling frederic posted 20:48 acmoore I'm not sure if frederic actually wants to be doing this, or if he just stumbled into it because he was investigating performance. 20:47 kados (isn't he the one that noticed this?) 20:47 kados like MJ maybe? 20:47 kados someone else I mean? :-) 20:47 kados can we get someone in the community to work on this? 20:47 atz i'm on general cleanup right now 20:46 acmoore atz, what does this bump out of your week? 20:46 atz i can do it tomorrow if that's the case 20:45 kados acmoore: that's my thinking 20:45 atz called exactly the same way... just the way it "catches" it's own use 20:45 acmoore it costs someone .5 to 1 day, but we'd be able to tell pretty quickly if it's actually broken, because it would break everythig pretty obciously, don't you think? 20:45 atz just that we mess w/ Context late in the game 20:45 kados seems like just a minor change in the way C4::Context is called, right? 20:44 kados and what are the drawbacks of testing and implementing this? 20:44 atz acmoore: i defer to kados on that 20:44 atz i suspect the original authors intended for something like that 20:44 acmoore should we try that this week? that's a call I don't know about. 20:44 acmoore atz, yeah, I can see putting it in an INIT block. 20:44 atz INIT will run only once (regardless of how many sub modules use Context) 20:44 acmoore it shouldn't be reading the conf file in the import method, but maybe frederic's patch makes it at least tolerable for now that it does that. 20:43 atz i expect the answer will be to use an INIT block rather than import 20:43 kados so there is a way to avoid that altogether? 20:43 atz but we wouldn't have this problem if Context weren't hacking import 20:42 atz frederic's patch would at least cache it up on the first read 20:42 kados I suspected that 20:42 kados *nod* 20:42 atz yeah, right now we reread KOHA_CONF for every "use Context" line 20:41 kados s/he/it/ 20:41 kados so what is the pragmatic reason to fix this, would he help with speed? 20:41 atz trying to make Context a proper Exporter 20:40 kados yea 20:40 atz this is another thing I got snafu'd by in my first month on the job... 20:40 atz and see if there are any timing issues w/ the way other modules use Context 20:39 kados atz++ 20:39 atz i'd like to move the initialization part to INIT 20:38 atz and say it works "well enough" 20:38 atz pragmatically, maybe you just add a # FIXME in 3.2 20:37 atz tough call. it pisses me off, so if I were RM I'd hold up the show until it was fixed. But that's more on principle than pragmatics. 20:35 acmoore atz, thanks. I think you're right that the import sub is a bad idea. So, what do you think we ought to do to fix it? (in the next three days, and then in 3.2) 20:24 hdl_laptop (bugs on subscription). 20:24 hdl_laptop kados : thanks for reporting. 20:15 atz acmoore: replied to list(s) regarding Context 19:37 owen I'm thinking those changes don't have to affect any translations since it's just the spelling that has changed. 19:37 owen Yeah, just stuff that has been sitting there waiting for someone to make a decision about whether to standardize on en-US 19:36 acmoore holy cow, owen! that's a lot of non-US english you found. 19:34 owen kados still around? 19:32 acmoore does anyone else get warnings from the mail system about delays when sending emails to slef? I get them all the time, probably because of his greylisting, and I can't tell if he ever gets my mails or not. 18:46 acmoore if it seems like it's a useful tool, I can put it in here, though that might get annoying. 18:46 acmoore For anyone interested, I'm currently running a bot on freenode in #kohanews. It announces things like changes to bugzilla bugs and to the git repository. Feel free to idle in #kohanews on freenode. 18:28 acmoore that's kind of a drag. Considering that I probably can't get MIME::Lite into the required modules at this point, maybe I'll wrap that code up in a module in C4 somewhere. 18:28 acmoore kados, so, we manually craft all the MIME parts like in http://alma.ch/perl/Mail-Sendmail-FAQ.html#attachments ? 18:24 kados acmoore: Mail::Sendmail is the preferred module atm I believe 18:07 acmoore If I want to send an email with an attachment in Koha, do I craft the attachment and the MIME boundaries and such myself? I don't see MIME::Lite or anything like that as a required module. 17:16 paul time for dinner in France. bye bye 17:13 paul (I know, you're in holiday next week...) 17:13 paul what about a quick & acceptable solution & a good & beautiful one later. 17:12 paul s/may/will/ ? 17:12 paul hdl_laptop: do you mean your serials bugfixing may introduce new bugs ? 17:08 paul ) 17:08 paul (tmpl_process3.pl create a lot of git noise, even when you change only 10 lines 17:08 kados yep 17:08 paul it's probably a translation patch 17:08 paul ? 17:08 kados yikes :-) 17:04 hdl_laptop kados : i really donot believe a last minute huge bugsquashing session is really good. 16:36 paul oups. i'm wrong. I've send it on june 30 16:36 kados OK 16:35 paul I think i didn't send you this one. 16:35 paul and the last one is about OAI unicode patch 16:35 paul the 2 others are french specific (translation & unimarc) 16:35 kados I will look soon 16:35 paul which are OK I think 16:35 kados hmmm 16:35 paul 0003-bugfixing-itemtype-summary-it-summary-is-defined.patch 16:34 paul 0002-bugfixing-scan-index.patch 16:34 paul for 2 of them, i have no news fro myou : 16:34 paul You're rejected one of them "Availability label" 16:34 kados paul: I haven't gotten to patch management yet today, but I'll check soon 16:34 paul I have 7 16:33 paul kados : which patches from me do you have in your queue ? 16:33 paul but when it's written "mange" instead of "manage", I think patches are OK ;-) 16:33 kados owen: in an ideal world, yes 16:32 owen I'm still unclear on what kind of patches are acceptable for the final release: Should there be no template changes that would affect translations? 16:30 paul july 4th... 16:30 acmoore I hope the (US) holiday weekend doesn't reduce our availalbe resources much. 16:28 kados owen: as always, it's a target ... and hopefully will motivate a big bug squashing effort 16:27 kados owen: yea ... 16:27 owen Wow, that's soon :) 16:26 kados owen: that's the plan 16:26 kados is the most recent article 16:26 kados http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=13192 16:26 paul mmm... I prefer that ! 16:25 kados oops, 600 million I meant :-) 16:25 kados http://www.librarytechnology.org/AutomationSystemMarketplace.pl?SID=20080702570770263&code=bib 16:25 paul ? not that large. I think our 50millions are not for ILS only but for all IT projects 16:24 kados according to Marshall Breeding anyway 16:24 kados in fact, for ILS in the US it's bonly about 60 million USD 16:24 paul all projects included 16:24 paul all project included 16:23 paul (in France : yearly market is around 50 000 000€) 16:23 kados paul: so soon BibLibre will be larger than LibLime ;-) 16:22 kados that's awesome 16:22 kados paul++ 16:21 paul won against Millenium, sirsiDinyx... 16:21 kados really great! 16:21 atz nicely done 16:21 paul business x2 ! 16:20 paul it's a 350k€ contract. 16:20 paul 2 are found (1 librarian, 1 dev), 1 probably found (dev) , 1 remaining (librarian position) 16:20 atz wow. big project 16:20 paul BibLibre hiring 4 ppl atm 16:19 paul + it's in Marseille, which is very nice. 16:19 paul note it's a merge & migrate project : 3 universities merging to 1 16:19 kados congrats! 16:19 kados wow, that's great! 16:19 paul a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries... 16:19 kados paul: no 16:19 paul do you see my previous announcement here ? 16:19 kados I'll announce on koha-devel 16:19 paul (as, atm, it's badly broken, see recent bugzilla entry) 16:19 kados OK 16:18 paul yes. + maybe hdl_laptop will have time to submit serials management modifs. 16:18 kados paul: to resolve CGI::Session::Serialize and help translators, I think I'll delay 3.0-final until Monday, is it OK with you? 16:17 paul hi kados 16:17 paul yep 16:17 kados paul: around? 16:08 acmoore in case anyone is interested, I was just told that: MySQL is holding a live webinar tomorrow on how to utilize memcached: http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/web-seminars/display-158.html 15:20 slef davi: awake? 15:19 slef great minds, huh? 15:17 slef hahahaha surprisingly similar to our new site (which is currently on 127.0.0.something) 15:16 paul look at http://www.paulpoulain.com/drupal/ to see the project 15:15 slef (more experimental, but looks more fun to hack) 15:15 slef Ah, we're using that on customer sites. I'm looking at REST::Application for our own. 15:15 paul Drupal 15:14 slef paul: same here. What are you using? 15:13 paul + we are working on our new website 15:13 paul gmcharlt: yes, we will send out a press release, but maybe only in september (because, now, nobody will read it...) 15:12 slef paul: congratulations! 15:10 paul and between jul15, and Aug15, really everything is stopped 15:09 paul you must know that in France, from july 1st, to sept 1st, almost everything is stopped. 15:09 acmoore yeah, that's convenient! 15:09 acmoore ah. 15:09 paul (that's beautiful to have such a contract with 20mn transport to reach the customer) 15:08 paul acmoore: I agree it's a fun place. And in fact (and that's what is beautiful), that where I live daily since 8 years :-D 15:08 acmoore isn't it down on the Mediterranean coast? figured it would be a fun place. 15:07 paul why too bad ? 15:07 paul I suspect (although not sure at this moment) that the project start will be in september 15:07 acmoore too bad. 15:07 paul acmoore: nope 15:06 paul which is strange, that's why the gov has decided to merge some of them. 15:06 acmoore will this "require" you spending the whole summer in Marseille? 15:06 paul in France, large cities have 3 or 4 or even 10 (Paris) Universities. 15:06 paul note it's a merge & migrate project : 3 universities merging to 1 15:05 acmoore that's great, paul! 15:04 paul (at the moment, BibLibre is hiring 4 persons. 2 found, 1 probably found, 1 remaining -for a librarian-) 15:04 gmcharlt will you be sending out a press release? 15:03 gmcharlt BibLibre++ 15:03 gmcharlt paul++ 15:03 paul I just recieved the "notification" this morning. 15:03 paul a good (and this time official) news : BibLibre has won a RFP to migrate the 3 Marseille universities to Koha. That's 750 000 biblios, something like 25 libraries... 15:03 gmcharlt hi paul 15:02 paul hello ppl. 14:25 acmoore thanks, guys. 14:25 acmoore bug 2296 opened for that. 14:22 atz but since that is your area now, anyway 14:22 atz yeah, i was going to mention that the cron scripts were the last holdouts 14:22 gmcharlt oops, 99% 14:22 acmoore I'll open a ticket to remove it. 14:22 acmoore atz, I do too. It looks like only misc/cronjobs/overduenotices-csv.pl still uses it, and that script is slated for replacement real soon now. 14:21 gmcharlt appears to be 100% complete 14:19 atz i think the purge is fairly complete 14:19 acmoore oh. Hmm. well, I won't work too much on the tests, then. But maybe we should work to remove that library before 3.0 is final. Is it used too extensively to let us do that? 14:18 atz right 14:18 atz Date.pm was replaced by Dates.pm 14:18 acmoore atz, because C4::Date is obsolete? 14:17 acmoore atz, why is Date.t obsolete? 14:17 acmoore gmcharlt, I agree. I opened bug 2295 to move the test files around. 14:17 acmoore atz, OK. Thanks. 14:16 gmcharlt ok. obiviously, for general release, 'make test' should be always run cleanly 14:16 atz acmoore: Date.t (not Dates.t) should be obsolete 14:12 acmoore OK. I'll do that (eventually). I'll also reply to this user indicating that the test suite is a "work in progress", or perhaps a "doesn't work in progress"... 14:11 gmcharlt acmoore: yes 14:11 gmcharlt for installation, perhaps just add a test to verify that the specified database exists 14:11 acmoore Does this sound like the reasonable course of action? 14:11 acmoore once that's a little more stable, we can have 'make test' run that stuff, perhaps. 14:11 acmoore I guess that's OK, though. since the t/database_dependent tests make thier own database. 14:11 gmcharlt acmoore: go ahead and move them 14:10 acmoore but, this still leaves the point that we don't really have a database to use to test in during install. 14:10 acmoore gmcharlt, it looks like there's a handful of tests that use the database that I didn't notice, like t/Date.t. I can move them to t/lib/KohaTest/... tests so they don't try to hit the database under a normal 'make test'. 14:05 acmoore it would be nice to be able to test stuff at install time, though. 14:05 acmoore evidently not. 14:04 acmoore ah. I thought I took out all database dependent stuff and putt it in the database_dependent.pl script. 14:03 gmcharlt acmoore: override_system_preferences.pm in the old test suite was supposed to handle that 13:57 acmoore I wonder if there's a good way around this chicken and egg problem. 13:57 acmoore There's a report about the test suite failing with compolaints about the koha.systempreferences table not existing. This seems to be a common failure. Is this because those tables are installed by the web installer, which hasn't run yet? 12:21 masonj np 12:21 nengard thanks masonj!!! 12:18 masonj down the bottom 12:18 masonj . 12:18 masonj 3. Lost Card: Yes No 12:18 masonj 2. Debarred: Yes No 12:18 masonj 1. Gone no Address: Yes No 12:18 masonj Patron Account Flags 12:17 masonj in the borrowers modify screen 12:15 nengard i found this "account will automatically be debarred (frozen)" -- how is an account frozen? 12:14 Odd_Bloke So with the lack of a national library data source (British Library FTL), there are quite a few books that I can't find a MARC source for. Is there any way to get around this, or am I going to have to enter the MARC records myself? 12:14 nengard masonj - you are so very helpful :) hehe 12:11 masonj its where a Jamaican goes to get a drink.. 12:09 nengard with notice/status triggers -what does 'debar' mean?