| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:14 |
|
lea |
hi guys |
| 11:14 |
|
lea |
lloyd: bnl just got back and yeah, £2K a year |
| 11:15 |
|
lea |
That's really steep for us. We just want to do a one-off batch convert, with the odd access now and again to update our catalogue when new books come in. |
| 11:31 |
|
lloyd |
annoying isn't it |
| 11:33 |
|
lloyd |
we're going to stage the back catelogue and stage weekly updates (dewey 610-620 only) and have access to the z39.50 server for importing books not in that dewey range |
| 11:42 |
|
lea |
what's annoying is we'll only have max 100 new books a year |
| 11:42 |
|
lea |
so that's at least £20 per marc21 record |
| 11:42 |
|
lea |
we can't do that |
| 11:42 |
|
lea |
so I'm looking at other options |
| 11:43 |
|
lea |
getting the inital bulk will be ok |
| 11:43 |
|
lloyd |
you know when buying a book most suppliers will supply you with the marc21 record for around 50p |
| 11:43 |
|
lea |
really? |
| 11:43 |
|
lloyd |
yep |
| 11:43 |
|
lea |
but will that be inconsistant with the BNL ones? |
| 11:43 |
|
lloyd |
Well it's a full marc21 record, so no |
| 11:44 |
|
lea |
what worries me is that edition #1 of a book will have say, Equine, as a subject (from the bnl), and the publisher record for edition #2 will have, say "Horses" or something. |
| 11:44 |
|
lloyd |
I know for a fact tomlinsons and waterstones offer that service |
| 11:45 |
|
lea |
maybe i don't get how these things work |
| 11:45 |
|
lea |
is the marc21 data created by the publisher? |
| 11:45 |
|
lloyd |
I have no idea |
| 11:46 |
|
lea |
well, I guess it's easy to manually "normalise" the data after adding it |
| 11:46 |
|
lea |
thanks for that. I'll go tell our librarian |
| 11:46 |
|
lloyd |
np |
| 11:50 |
|
lea |
ok, you know when koha imports records |
| 11:50 |
|
lea |
how does it deal with multiple copies? |
| 11:50 |
|
lea |
i seem to recall it used the imports to create the biblio |
| 11:51 |
|
lea |
meaning, just one "copy" |
| 11:51 |
|
lea |
reason i ask s that I'll be moving over 20K books and want to make sure i get the file format correct. |
| 11:55 |
|
lloyd |
yes, that's correct |
| 11:58 |
|
lloyd |
Morning paul |
| 12:06 |
|
lea |
lol |
| 12:06 |
|
lea |
so lloyd, how do you "retain" quanities? |
| 12:07 |
|
lea |
when migrating |
| 12:36 |
|
fbcit |
g'morning koha |
| 12:53 |
|
fbcit |
chris around? |
| 12:53 |
|
fbcit |
opps... guess not. |
| 12:53 |
|
fbcit |
kados ? |
| 13:05 |
|
lloyd |
lea - well i'm getting the librarys to export there records in a csv. isbn/item type/class mark |
| 13:05 |
|
lloyd |
then going to ask liblime to write me a script to import these items from the staging area |
| 13:08 |
|
lloyd |
all items not in staging area will be z39.50 lookup |
| 13:08 |
|
lloyd |
all items without isbn will be manually added |
| 13:10 |
|
lloyd |
thats my plan anyways |
| 13:26 |
|
lea |
ok |
| 13:27 |
|
lea |
i sure hope micro librarian have fixed their marc21 export |
| 13:27 |
|
lea |
they were exporting bad records, which i only knew because i had my head stuck in a marc21 spec for 3 days >.< |
| 13:27 |
|
lea |
managed to write a script to fix them but when my boss said in the summer he wasn't going down this route i deleted them.... |
| 13:27 |
|
lea |
:( |
| 13:28 |
|
lea |
ah brilliant. I had the nouce to upload the scripts to the koha wiki. forgot about that :) |
| 13:40 |
|
Fallor |
hi again |
| 13:50 |
|
kados |
g'morning foxnorth |
| 13:56 |
|
owen |
Hi folks |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
hey owen |
| 13:57 |
|
kados |
owen++ |
| 14:03 |
|
Fallor |
apache drives me crazy |
| 14:03 |
|
Fallor |
all i get is forbidden |
| 14:05 |
|
Fallor |
why does it have to be so difficule :( |
| 14:05 |
|
lea |
heh. it isn't :) |
| 14:05 |
|
Fallor |
difficult |
| 14:05 |
|
Fallor |
it's terrible |
| 14:05 |
|
Fallor |
i've never quite understood it's logic |
| 14:05 |
|
Fallor |
and now this apache2 which is completely different from 1.3 |
| 14:06 |
|
lloyd |
apache is great, but a little bloated |
| 14:07 |
|
Fallor |
it used to be enough if i just threw Include /etc/koha-httpd.conf to the end of httpd.conf |
| 14:07 |
|
Fallor |
but now that doesn't seem to work |
| 14:07 |
|
Fallor |
and i have no idea what's wrong |
| 14:26 |
|
Fallor |
ok, it's changed |
| 14:26 |
|
Fallor |
no more forbidden |
| 14:26 |
|
Fallor |
but now i just see apache's testpage :D |
| 14:27 |
|
Fallor |
Then if I comment out DocumentRoot and <Directory> thingys from httpd.conf, it's forbidden again |
| 14:28 |
|
Fallor |
oh well... |
| 14:32 |
|
Fallor |
doesn't seem to be a permission-problem either |
| 14:40 |
|
Fallor |
no, i don't get this :( |
| 14:40 |
|
Fallor |
i give up |
| 14:59 |
|
kados |
owen: the 'limit to currently avaialble items' link in th OPAC is linking to the staff client's filename |
| 15:01 |
|
owen |
Got it. Will be patched today. But I'm not sure the availability limit is working |
| 15:02 |
|
owen |
http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]n&limit=available |
| 15:16 |
|
fbcit |
g'morning folks |
| 15:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi fbcit |
| 15:24 |
|
fbcit |
gmcharlt: Makefile.PL breaks on win32 now... :( |
| 15:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
what's it doing? |
| 15:24 |
|
fbcit |
dmake returns an error when using the -x switch to export the env vars |
| 15:25 |
|
fbcit |
I ran an older copy from the old installer branch and it works ok |
| 15:25 |
|
fbcit |
a diff of Makefiles generated by each did not turn up anything obvious |
| 15:29 |
|
fbcit |
run dmake w/o -x and things go ok except the env vars are incorrect. |
| 15:36 |
|
lea |
lloyd, in your research for MARC21 record providers, did you find anywhere that'll do it for free for < 1500 records a year? |
| 15:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
fbcit: just got a report that it's not working on FreeBSD (though presumably for different reason) |
| 15:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
fbcit: please send me the context diff between the versions of the Makefile (or perhaps file a bug and attach it there) |
| 15:38 |
|
fbcit |
gmcharlt: I haven't kept up with the changes and did not have alot of time to look at it. |
| 15:38 |
|
fbcit |
it'll be tonight as the win32 box is at home |
| 15:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, thanks |
| 15:54 |
|
fbcit |
kados ? |
| 15:58 |
|
fbcit |
owen around? |
| 15:58 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 15:59 |
|
fbcit |
question regarding theme selection/fallback |
| 16:00 |
|
fbcit |
should the user be able to set the order themes failover in or should it simply be alphabetical or... or... |
| 16:00 |
|
lloyd_ |
lea : sorry no we didn't |
| 16:01 |
|
fbcit |
right now, the template only allows selection of a single theme based on a list generated by getallthemes |
| 16:01 |
|
owen |
Good question, fbcit... It seems like theme failover isn't something you really should be planning for, because if you're planning for anything it should be that you have a valid theme |
| 16:02 |
|
owen |
Right now the failover scheme is to try the theme specified, and if that fails to try 'prog' ? |
| 16:02 |
|
fbcit |
yes |
| 16:03 |
|
fbcit |
but I understand that it is desired to walk through all available themes with prog being last |
| 16:03 |
|
owen |
Who desires that? |
| 16:03 |
|
fbcit |
then there is the case when 'prog' is missing for some reason |
| 16:04 |
|
fbcit |
I understood that from my discussions with chris |
| 16:04 |
|
fbcit |
seems that an earlier version of koha did this...? |
| 16:05 |
|
owen |
I wonder if it's better to fail first to the default (prog), and then to any other. Reason being, prog, being the default, is most likely to be the best-maintained (and properly working) theme |
| 16:06 |
|
owen |
In the past, extra themes have been contributed but not necessarily well-maintained |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
..and are we talking specifically about the opac, or both opac and staff client? |
| 16:07 |
|
fbcit |
you mentioned in bug 1790 that if 'prog' is missing opac fails... |
| 16:08 |
|
fbcit |
opac at present, I have not looked at staff yet |
| 16:09 |
|
fbcit |
...so we at least need to gracefully handle a missing 'prog' and maybe forget rotating through all available themes ? |
| 16:09 |
|
owen |
Yeah...but how do you give patrons a friendly 'missing template' error when you'd have to use a template to do so? |
| 16:10 |
|
fbcit |
maybe by redirecting them to the page that states opac is down for maintenance... or something similar :-) |
| 16:10 |
|
owen |
Sure, but where does that page come from? And if it's not in templates, how does it get translated? |
| 16:13 |
|
owen |
Yeah, I agree |
| 16:14 |
|
fbcit |
ok... so maybe this bug should be marked as a feature request and move off of major status? |
| 16:14 |
|
lea |
kados: are you there? |
| 16:16 |
|
owen |
fbcit, I'd just mark it as fixed. The bug is really about the theme switching not working. I don't think you can expect Koha to work if you delete required files |
| 16:54 |
|
fbcit |
owen: one further question... is template == language or theme? |
| 16:55 |
|
owen |
I don't understand the question |
| 16:55 |
|
paul |
fbcit: template is a set of tmpl file, specific to a given theme and language. |
| 16:56 |
|
paul |
the language file being generated automatically from the english + translator tool |
| 16:56 |
|
paul |
does that sound more comprehensible ? |
| 16:56 |
|
fbcit |
yes |
| 16:57 |
|
fbcit |
so is there ever .../prog/fr/ or only ../prog/en ? |
| 16:57 |
|
paul |
the developpers use prog/en |
| 16:57 |
|
owen |
fbcit, it depends on what translations the users create |
| 16:57 |
|
paul |
and the translator too generate prog/fr-FR and other languages when requested |
| 16:59 |
|
fbcit |
that helps, tnx paul, owen |
| 17:12 |
|
fbcit |
hrmm.. @languages in themelanguage is never defined... afaics |
| 17:39 |
|
fbcit |
theme defaults to 'prog' when all else fails now.... |
| 18:54 |
|
lea |
see ya. |
| 21:45 |
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| 22:10 |
|
fbcit |
gmcharlt: did you want a unified or context diff on makefile? |
| 22:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
fbcit: context, please |
| 22:18 |
|
fbcit |
gmcharlt: being slightly >1M this will take a century over dialup, but its dripping up now. |
| 03:19 |
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