IRC log for #koha, 2008-01-29

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13:14 gmcharlt greetings #koha
13:27 lloyd_ hey
13:32 paul hello gmcharlt
13:46 Fallor hello again
13:46 paul hello Fallor (from France)
13:51 lloyd_ is this the correct place for error files : /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/errors
13:52 paul lloyd_: sound strange to set errors in cgi-bin, as it's supposed to be for cgi-bin scripts
13:53 lloyd_ well Koha looks for them in /cgi-bin/koha/koha-tmpl/errors/
13:53 lloyd_ but my setup doesn't have that folder, only /cgi-bin/koha/errors/ - wonder which is wrong, my setup or the koha redirect
13:54 lloyd_ print $query->redirect("/cgi-bin/ko​ha/koha-tmpl/errors/");
14:05 lloyd_ installer bug
14:05 lloyd_  './koha-tmpl/errors'          => {target => 'INTRANET_CGI_DIR', trimdir => 2},
14:05 lloyd_ so it's installing them to /cgi-bin/errors instead of cgi-bin/koha-tmpl/errors
14:07 lloyd_ can someone else confirm that? :)
14:16 gmcharlt lloyd_: confirm that it's behaving the way you're describing, though personally I think /cgi-bin/koha/errors/ is a better path than /cgi-bin/koha/koha-tmpl/errors/
14:17 gmcharlt either way, please file a bug
14:17 lloyd_ I think it's a better path too
14:30 lea hi guys
14:31 lea my boss has realised that the proprietary system he wanted to try has been a failure
14:31 lea he now wants to get our data into marc21 so our options are open
14:32 lea once we do this, we can try something proper out
14:32 gmcharlt lea: great -- open options are good
14:32 lea now, there may be a chance we can get a student working for us on this project for a good few months
14:32 lea I'd personally really like to have koha as the system of choice
14:33 lea and considering how moodle is now the vle of choice in all colleges in Wales, I can see how koha could become the next ILS for that market too (based on conversations with other colleges)
14:34 lea so, how could a persons time be best spent on contributing to moodle? I'm aware that we dont want to overlap any work and we want to write stuff that will integrate properly with the project.
14:35 lea i mean, a moodle module to integrate koha would be just absolutely awesome
14:35 lea you'd capture the whole welsh college market ;)
14:37 lea i know probably most of you are asleep right now, so, i guess i may have to leave my irc on for the next 24 hours
14:37 lea ideally, i think moodle+vufind+koha would be a potent combination
14:38 lloyd_ I think best way would be to write a moodle module to authenticate against koha users
14:39 lloyd_ then designing the moodle 'skin' to intergrate the koha opac
14:39 lloyd_ Certainly an interesting idea
14:40 gmcharlt lea: I know there's some active work going on right now to allow vufind to work with Koha
14:40 gmcharlt lea: should be some results on that front very soon
14:43 lea so vufind is really just a standalone opac with an api to hook into a ILS?
14:43 gmcharlt lea: pretty much, although I believe it works by copying the bib and item data into it's own Solr index
14:44 kados but with Koha it will use the SRU interface instead
14:44 gmcharlt lea: though I think the Koha integration may be done via on-the-fly SRU/SRW queries
14:44 gmcharlt snap
14:44 kados (hi all)
14:45 lea hi kados :)
14:46 lea what's SRU? Sorry for my ignorance, i know very little about library stuff
14:47 kados lea: it's an upgrade for Z39.50 :-)
14:47 kados (not sure that will help you ;-)
14:48 gmcharlt lea: i.e., a standard search protocol
14:48 kados basically, it's a standard for doing searches and retrieving records
14:48 kados snap again
14:48 lloyd_ it's like having a parrot
14:49 paul hello kados.
14:49 kados hiya paul
14:50 lea ah, i understand what z9.50 is.
14:50 lea I'm hoping the british national library will allow us to have a limited free access to their z39.50 servers
14:50 lea I think this will be the easiest way to export our data, as currently the marc21 export is pants
14:51 lloyd_ lea - that's just cost me £2000
14:51 lea Hoping that all you really need is the ISBN
14:51 lea lloyd_: you in the uk?
14:51 lloyd_ yep
14:51 lea business use?
14:51 lloyd_ nhs
14:51 lloyd_ very limited access
14:51 lloyd_ cheapest possible
14:51 lea ah, wait, i remember you!
14:51 lea :)
14:51 lloyd_ yep, i remember you too :)
14:52 lea heh. Well, we only have about 20K books
14:52 lea anyway, once that's all in marc21 i can then look at the other stuff.
14:52 lea How's holidays and short loans coming on?
14:54 lloyd_ Contact, he's the guy that's just sorted us out
14:59 lea well, I think our head librarian has a contact in there. But thanks!
15:09 fbcit g'morning koha
15:09 gmcharlt hi fbcit
15:09 gmcharlt congrats on Win32 DBD::mysql
15:10 fbcit tnx
15:10 fbcit if you have time to duplicate it would be appreciated :-)
16:21 fbcit gmcharlt: do you have access to a VM setup of WinXP by chance?
16:21 gmcharlt no, I have a non-VM XP setup
16:22 fbcit it sure would make repeat testing of this project easier.
16:23 fbcit it would be nice to verify a couple of times from a clean install of win32
16:35 matthew I have an upgrade question concerning 2.2.9 to 3.0 that's a bit non-standard...
16:36 matthew I am moving Koha to a different server.
16:36 matthew I have an sqldump of my current database.
16:37 matthew what do I need to do to make sure it is setup properly? Should I insert the database before I run the Koha 3.0 installer?
17:02 gmcharlt matthew: you should make sure that the copy on the new server is completely up and running (i.e., including the 2.2.9 software), then follow instructions at
17:03 matthew thanks gmcharlt
17:31 fbcit owen: u around?
17:31 owen Yes
17:32 fbcit hi, it looks like you lost the favicon in opac
17:32 fbcit fwiw
17:34 owen Thanks, I hadn't noticed!
17:34 fbcit not sure who to bounce this off of, but...
17:35 fbcit submitting blank fields here cgi-bin/koha/
17:35 fbcit causes a 500 error
17:39 owen Hmm... I know that was a reported bug in the staff client, I wonder if it's still open...
17:40 fbcit gmcharlt: any thoughts on this: WARNING: query problem with  mt=NF ZOOM error 10014 "CCL parsing error" (addinfo: "Unknown qualifier") from diag-set 'ZOOM' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 372.
17:55 gmcharlt fbcit: you were doing a limit on format or biblioitems.itemtype, right?
17:56 gmcharlt fbcit: if so, your Zebra config is out of sync with, as the previous mt index was changed to mc on 2007-11-21
17:56 gmcharlt see[…]729cd8e74e#patch5
17:56 fbcit I did a rebase and reinstall this morning... would that have caught it?
17:57 fbcit opps
17:57 fbcit zebra config
17:57 fbcit I've been cheating
17:57 gmcharlt not necessarily -- the run-time copy of  Zebra config files are not updated by a rebase
17:57 fbcit backing up etc/koha and restoring over top
17:57 fbcit to avoid reconfigure
17:58 fbcit :-\
17:58 gmcharlt on 4 January I added a update_zebra_conf target to the Makefile generated by Makefile.PL
17:59 gmcharlt that would be one way of updating the Zebra configs
18:02 fbcit chris: still around?
18:04 fbcit gmcharlt: I must be missing something here.
18:04 fbcit I just did a fresh install via 'make install'
18:05 fbcit moved my old koha-conf.xml and koha-httpd.conf over the new ones
18:05 fbcit restarted the zebra daemons
18:05 fbcit but no joy
18:05 gmcharlt exact same error message in log?
18:06 fbcit [Mon Jan 28 08:02:50 2008] WARNING: query problem with  mt=NF ZOOM error 10014 "CCL parsing error" (addinfo: "Unknown qualifier") from diag-set 'ZOOM' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 372.
18:06 fbcit maybe I'm missing something
18:06 gmcharlt in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/​modules/catalogue/advsearch.tmpl  -- what is line 90?
18:08 fbcit 96-98...
18:08 fbcit <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="selected" -->
18:08 fbcit                <option value="cfn,wrdl" selected="selected">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Conference Name</option>
18:08 fbcit <!-- TMPL_ELSE -->
18:08 fbcit opps
18:08 fbcit 88-90 that is
18:08 fbcit hold on...
18:09 fbcit gmcharlt:         <input type="checkbox" id="mc-<!--TMPL_VAR Name="number" -->" name="limit" value="mc:<!--TMPL_VAR Name="code" -->" />&nbsp;
18:10 gmcharlt ok, that's correct (previously it was "mt:") -- I wonder if the templates actually in use (off of your Apache DocumentRoot) are out of date?
18:12 fbcit they appear to reflect owen's recent changes
18:12 fbcit brb
18:19 gmcharlt fbcit: found problem -- intranet adv search was correct, OPAC is not
18:37 fbcit gmcharlt: so my config is ok?
18:37 fbcit or should be...
18:37 gmcharlt very likely
18:38 gmcharlt do you have 2 minutes to test a patch
18:38 gmcharlt ?
18:38 fbcit sure
18:38 gmcharlt fbcit: ok, I just e-mailed it to you
18:42 fbcit gmcharlt: same error
18:42 fbcit the script is returning 'mt' rather than 'mc'
18:43 fbcit in the cgi string
18:43 fbcit ie http://biblios.campus.foundati[…]y=relevance&do=OK
18:43 fbcit rather than: http://biblios.campus.foundati[…]y=relevance&do=OK
18:43 fbcit something in
18:45 gmcharlt fbcit: let's back up -- how exactly are you getting this -- directly from Advanced search in OPAC, by clicking on a facet link, or something else?
18:46 fbcit http://biblios.campus.foundati[…]ha/
18:46 fbcit I only have one itemtype at present
18:46 fbcit "non-fiction"
18:46 gmcharlt fbcit: that link doesn't work for me -- DNS doesn't resolve
18:46 fbcit sorry hold on
18:46 fbcit[…]ha/
18:47 fbcit selecting only that itemtype causes the error
18:50 gmcharlt fbcit: link doesn't work still -- resolves, but connection then times out
18:50 fbcit ok try this...[…]ha/
18:53 fbcit gmcharlt: did that work for you?
18:53 gmcharlt fbcit: yes -- and when I do a search, both with and without ticking the NF box, it works -- in both cases, I get the 'writings' record
18:53 gmcharlt so are you still getting the mt= messages in the log -- if so, how?
18:55 gmcharlt thought so ;-)
18:56 fbcit tnx gmcharlt
18:56 gmcharlt I've passed on the patch
19:25 fbcit chris: I worked on my exim4 setup some and submitted a dud patch to see if the problem is fixed. Let me know if you get it. tnx
19:30 chris will do
19:37 chris got it
19:38 chris looks like you fixed it good :)
19:48 fbcit great... you may see a second as well... I hammered it several times :)
19:48 chris :)
19:53 fbcit chris, kados is there any reason to keep the status of bug 1790 at critical rather than major with the patches I submitted for it this weekend?
19:54 chris lemme just eyeball it
19:54 fbcit there is still no failover built in
19:55 chris yeah, thats just a major now
19:55 chris want me to drop it?
19:56 fbcit yep
19:57 chris done
19:57 fbcit so we really want to see this clockwheel through all existing themes until it finds one that exists
19:57 fbcit or in a specific order?
19:57 fbcit s/this/this to/
19:57 chris good question
19:57 fbcit what if in the final analysis no themes exist?
19:58 fbcit a graceful death?
19:58 chris i think that if it goes for one that doesnt exist
19:58 chris dropping back to prog (ie the default ones that ship with koha)
19:58 chris is a fair enough thing
19:58 fbcit what happens when kados deletes the default as he did in the bug report... ;-)
19:59 chris we could make it clockwheel, but yu might get quite unexpected behaviour
20:00 chris each page showing a different theme :-)
20:00 fbcit like the randomly switching themes between page navigations..
20:00 chris yeah
20:00 fbcit :)
20:00 fbcit talk about variety
20:00 chris heh
20:00 fbcit kind of like the visualizations in media player or winamp or...
20:00 chris :-)
20:01 chris i guess we decide on what we want and explain the system preference so that what happens is what people expect
20:01 fbcit maybe we can fall back in the order the themes are entered in the syspref with prog being last.
20:01 chris so we can either have "default theme, if this theme doesnt exist it will fail back to the prog theme DONT DELETE THE PROG THEME"
20:02 chris or that
20:02 chris so either we let them choose a list of themes
20:02 chris or we let them choose one
20:02 chris probably a list is good
20:02 chris with prog being the implicit last
20:03 fbcit sounds good to me
20:03 fbcit I'll work on it tomorrow morning.
20:03 chris excellent
20:08 fbcit chris: are the users preferences stored somewhere other than in cookies?
20:09 chris yeah they are stored in the sessions table .. the cookie doesnt store anything
20:09 chris apart from an id, that matches to the sessions table
20:09 chris but, nothing persistent
20:10 chris if thats what you mean
20:10 chris that would be a nice enhancement
20:10 fbcit ahh.. so if the user selects a different language that is only a session length change?
20:10 chris yep
20:10 fbcit      # set the theme they want to use.
20:10 fbcit      # and perhaps the them as well.
20:10 fbcit in
20:11 fbcit I think that should be language and theme respectively
20:11 chris yep
20:11 fbcit but should probably be persistent if we went through the trouble.
20:19 chris yeah theres a bunch of systempreferences
20:19 chris that would be nice to let users set
03:40 fbcit gmcharlt: u around?
03:41 masonj looks like he's away  fbcit
03:49 fbcit hi masonj
06:43 Yesan Hi, Masonj
06:43 Yesan can you be of a help?
06:44 Yesan while importing marc records into reservoir? I am getting errors
06:44 Yesan it says, ISBN not found or ISBN format is not correct
06:44 Yesan how do i rectify
06:44 Yesan can i make only
06:45 Yesan title, author, publisher, year are mandatory in the parameters

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