| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:25 |
|
kados |
paul: you aroudn? |
| 12:26 |
|
paul |
i'm around, but not aroudn. Is that OK ? |
| 12:26 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 12:26 |
|
paul |
(hi) |
| 12:26 |
|
paul |
which one ? |
| 12:26 |
|
kados |
it's the french translation one |
| 12:26 |
|
kados |
I'm invistigating some changes to en stuff |
| 12:26 |
|
kados |
that may have slipped in by accident? |
| 12:26 |
|
owen |
Hi folks |
| 12:26 |
|
kados |
hiya owen |
| 12:26 |
|
paul |
yep, for sure ! |
| 12:27 |
|
paul |
it's supposed to contain only fr/... datas |
| 12:27 |
|
paul |
(hi owen) |
| 12:27 |
|
kados |
/prog/en/modules/catalogue/moredetail.tmpl is the first line |
| 12:27 |
|
kados |
and I _think_ it reverts something I did yesterday |
| 12:27 |
|
paul |
it's a mistake, for sure. |
| 12:28 |
|
kados |
also, all of the marc21 plugins are included |
| 12:28 |
|
kados |
maybe they are improved, I don't know :-) |
| 12:28 |
|
paul |
??? |
| 12:28 |
|
paul |
I don't see that. |
| 12:28 |
|
kados |
look for marc21_ |
| 12:29 |
|
paul |
it's the french version of those templates |
| 12:29 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 12:29 |
|
paul |
(the translation being ugly) |
| 12:29 |
|
kados |
ok, that makes sense |
| 12:29 |
|
paul |
(as it will be useless for most us) |
| 12:29 |
|
kados |
so how much can you rely on the translator? |
| 12:29 |
|
kados |
and how much must be done manually? |
| 12:29 |
|
paul |
100% done by translator ! |
| 12:29 |
|
kados |
ahh, great |
| 12:29 |
|
paul |
fortunatly ! |
| 12:30 |
|
kados |
so can't we just have a .po file, and generate the translation on installation? |
| 12:30 |
|
kados |
(or anytime after installation) |
| 12:30 |
|
paul |
we could. And I suggest it can be done anytime, in admin/, to let the library add/remove languages |
| 12:30 |
|
paul |
(you won) |
| 12:30 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 12:32 |
|
kados |
ok, I've pushed up french translation patch |
| 12:32 |
|
kados |
everybody rebase :-) |
| 12:32 |
|
kados |
morning owen |
| 12:32 |
|
paul |
(everybody: also note that it's already outdated by owen last changes...) |
| 12:32 |
|
owen |
So kados, you not only want the toolbars to look good, you want them to work? ;) |
| 12:33 |
|
kados |
paul: (that's why i think auto-generating will be easier for you) |
| 12:33 |
|
kados |
owen: hehe |
| 12:33 |
|
paul |
kados: ++ |
| 12:33 |
|
paul |
owen: kados always want more and more... it's a pity :-D |
| 12:34 |
|
kados |
in this case, for my sake it's OK to have french translations in Git, but for you sake, it's a pain :-) |
| 12:35 |
|
kados |
owen: I committed fixes to the moredetail.pl status stuff last night, it worked just as it should on a fresh install |
| 12:36 |
|
owen |
Speaking of fresh install, kados you said I needed to reinstall the other day, but I can't remember why |
| 12:36 |
|
kados |
yea, it's not a bad idea |
| 12:36 |
|
kados |
and pretty easy to accomplish |
| 12:44 |
|
hdl |
kados : can you explain to me the callnumber management you sent us ? |
| 12:46 |
|
kados |
hdl: which part, I believe I explained it last week |
| 12:47 |
|
kados |
owen: for your list: the News edit page doesnt' have a calendar plugin for the expiry date |
| 12:48 |
|
owen |
It does, but it doesn't pop up if you simply tab to that field |
| 12:48 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 12:48 |
|
owen |
Not sure if there's a way around that |
| 12:49 |
|
kados |
huh, also doesnt' seem to expire news |
| 12:50 |
|
hdl |
kados : you speak of the comment you sent with the commit ? |
| 12:50 |
|
kados |
hdl: yes |
| 12:51 |
|
owen |
kados: Bug 1508 |
| 12:52 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 12:52 |
|
kados |
y'know, I don't think that the rank is saved either |
| 12:52 |
|
hdl |
use of this feature is not explained. |
| 12:52 |
|
hdl |
We donot know What we should do to index. |
| 12:52 |
|
kados |
hdl: for call numbers? |
| 12:53 |
|
hdl |
yes. |
| 12:53 |
|
owen |
Rank was getting saved in my tests yesterday, but I'm not sure the rank value gets loaded when you go to edit |
| 12:53 |
|
kados |
ahh, that must be it |
| 12:53 |
|
hdl |
nor if we have to do some things to get it work. |
| 12:53 |
|
hdl |
It seems there are new pages in admin. |
| 12:54 |
|
kados |
the MARC framework doesn't seem to work to display the other 942 fields (other than itemtype) |
| 12:54 |
|
kados |
and I'm not sure why that is |
| 12:54 |
|
kados |
http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibra[…]guing/addbooks.pl |
| 12:54 |
|
kados |
admin / default |
| 12:54 |
|
kados |
oops |
| 12:54 |
|
kados |
admin / demo |
| 12:54 |
|
kados |
add a new MARC record and look at tab 9 |
| 12:55 |
|
kados |
there should be several fields there |
| 12:55 |
|
kados |
http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibra[…]42&frameworkcode= |
| 12:55 |
|
kados |
hdl: until i can resolve that issue I'm afraid I don't have much news on the cn_* front as all of the cn_* fields are in 942 for my framework :-) |
| 12:59 |
|
kados |
anyone else having a similar problem? |
| 13:00 |
|
hdl |
what problem ? |
| 13:00 |
|
owen |
kados, should the default framework show fields other than itemtype? |
| 13:00 |
|
owen |
I'm only seeing 942c |
| 13:03 |
|
kados |
owen: yea, me too, that's the problem I'm describing |
| 13:03 |
|
kados |
if you look in the framework, there are a lot of 942 fields, but only itemtype shows up in the MARC editor |
| 13:05 |
|
hdl |
maybe a problem with Template IF or javascript. |
| 13:05 |
|
dbs |
where |
| 13:05 |
|
dbs |
whoops :) |
| 13:06 |
|
hdl |
kados : 5 js errors. |
| 13:06 |
|
hdl |
when loading addbiblio page |
| 13:07 |
|
hdl |
No. |
| 13:07 |
|
hdl |
Problems on plugins |
| 13:09 |
|
hdl |
js calls should have a closing ) |
| 13:15 |
|
kados |
hdl: I don't see any js errors ... where are you seeing those? |
| 13:16 |
|
hdl |
when clicking on ... near 008 |
| 13:16 |
|
hdl |
or any ... on addbiblio page. |
| 13:17 |
|
kados |
strange, no errors for me |
| 13:20 |
|
atz |
is freenode down for everybody? |
| 13:21 |
|
kados |
not for me |
| 13:22 |
|
atz |
hrm... |
| 13:23 |
|
atz |
i get: The connection to irc://freenode.com/ (irc://freenode.com/) was aborted with error (null): Component returned failure code: 0x804b000d [nsIBinaryOutputStream.writeBytes] |
| 13:23 |
|
kados |
ouch, doesn't look healthy :-) |
| 13:23 |
|
kados |
could be your local freenode hub is down or sth |
| 13:25 |
|
atz |
actually, i'm betting it's DNS... |
| 13:27 |
|
kados |
ahh, could be |
| 13:27 |
|
kados |
morning guys |
| 13:28 |
|
atz |
cya |
| 13:30 |
|
owen |
hi northfox , gmcharlt , atz |
| 13:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi owen |
| 13:31 |
|
atz |
what's up, owen? |
| 13:31 |
|
northfox |
hey owen |
| 13:31 |
|
northfox |
how's ext coming along? |
| 13:31 |
|
northfox |
did you manage to get the custom build working? |
| 13:31 |
|
hdl |
owen : |
| 13:32 |
|
owen |
No, and when Frederic came through with an improved version of the YUI toolbar I went with that |
| 13:32 |
|
owen |
Yes, hdl? |
| 13:32 |
|
hdl |
have you checked this : |
| 13:32 |
|
hdl |
http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]3f277c2aa818f1989 |
| 13:33 |
|
hdl |
? |
| 13:33 |
|
hdl |
seems it brings funny plugin calls in js. |
| 13:33 |
|
hdl |
Paul recoded for authorities. |
| 13:34 |
|
hdl |
But plugins are also impacted. |
| 13:34 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure I understand |
| 13:34 |
|
owen |
It's not working properly? |
| 13:38 |
|
hdl |
as far as I am concerned, no. |
| 13:38 |
|
hdl |
And i dinf funny to have : |
| 13:39 |
|
hdl |
Clictag_000_subfield_00_972254_20131('tag_000_subfield_00_972254_20131'; return false; ) |
| 13:39 |
|
owen |
Right, that's not going to work. |
| 13:43 |
|
owen |
Yeah, just a misplaced ) |
| 13:48 |
|
hdl |
Maybe. But even changing that was not enough on my copy to get plugins work. |
| 13:49 |
|
hdl |
But this is not your fault. |
| 13:49 |
|
hdl |
Changes in addbiblio are quite deep. |
| 13:50 |
|
hdl |
And plugins HAVE to be adapted to them |
| 15:24 |
|
paul |
kados : the Ecole des MInes de St Etienne is working on a OAI-PMH project for all "mines school". As paris & nantes already use koha, they are working on OAI-PMH on Koha. it should be available in the next weeks, as it's being tested (dev for Koha 3.0) |
| 15:25 |
|
paul |
they will add a systempref to activate it & a oai-pmh script will be available under opac/ |
| 18:20 |
|
owen-away |
I see intranetreadinghistory and ReadingHistory in system preferences. Are they the same, or are they supposed to do different things? |
| 19:39 |
|
hdl |
owen: seems to be French/English names of same variable |
| 19:45 |
|
owen |
Okay, I wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding |
| 19:47 |
|
chris |
lol |
| 19:49 |
|
chris |
pretty close :) |
| 20:16 |
|
fbcit |
kados: Any reason I can't run two instances of koha on the same machine for dev purposes? |
| 20:17 |
|
kados |
fbcit: nope, no reason |
| 20:17 |
|
kados |
you can even run them off the same codebase |
| 20:18 |
|
fbcit |
well, I want one running unmodified over mysql so that I can see what things should look like while I do mods on the other. |
| 20:19 |
|
fbcit |
I took a dive into the installer today for a bit. It looks like things started off in a multi-db direction but did not get too far. |
| 20:21 |
|
kados |
yea, that's absolutely true |
| 20:21 |
|
kados |
time constraints -- |
| 20:21 |
|
kados |
hdl wrote most of the installer |
| 20:22 |
|
kados |
so you can complain to him :-) |
| 20:22 |
|
kados |
and if there is a way to fix it and make it more universal, feel free to send in patches |
| 20:26 |
|
kados |
fbcit: and btw: please send in your kohastructure for postgres :-) |
| 20:28 |
|
fbcit |
kados: I'll get it in tomorrow. I'm headed out for the day. |
| 20:28 |
|
kados |
cheers |
| 20:28 |
|
fbcit |
Mondays are incredibly busy for me.. :-P |
| 21:47 |
|
thd |
kados |
| 21:47 |
|
thd |
kados: ping |
| 21:47 |
|
kados |
thd: hi |
| 21:47 |
|
thd |
hello |
| 21:48 |
|
thd |
are you still in CT? |
| 21:48 |
|
kados |
yep ... back to Columbus this evening, and then on to MD tomorrow afternoon :/ |
| 21:48 |
|
kados |
traveling-- |
| 21:48 |
|
thd |
kados: I have two questions but I may not be able to type them fast enough |
| 21:49 |
|
kados |
:) |
| 21:51 |
|
thd |
kados: how would an updating Perl script find a framework that is know where the framework lives without hard coding or reading the directory and forming a list to present?? |
| 21:52 |
|
kados |
I don't quite understand the question :-) |
| 21:53 |
|
thd |
kados: it is about replacing the post installation update SQL scripts with a Perl script that drops and then recreates the framework tables then applies the framework SQL |
| 21:54 |
|
kados |
thd: I'm here, no need to call me :-) |
| 21:55 |
|
thd |
kados: I thought I could get an answer over phone that I would not get when you close your computer in a few seconds |
| 21:55 |
|
kados |
I should get going |
| 21:56 |
|
kados |
thd: I'll be back later this evening ... around 9pm or so for a few hours |
| 21:56 |
|
thd |
OK thanks :) |
| 01:16 |
|
thd |
kados: ping |
| 01:17 |
|
kados |
hi thd |
| 01:17 |
|
thd |
hello |
| 01:17 |
|
thd |
Do you suffer jet lag between CT and Ohio? |
| 01:19 |
|
thd |
kados: My earlier question was about replacing the post installation update SQL scripts with a Perl script that drops and then recreates the framework tables then applies the framework SQL. |
| 01:19 |
|
kados |
I don't see the utility of that approach |
| 01:20 |
|
thd |
kados: as opposed to a giant redundant post-installation SQL file? |
| 01:20 |
|
kados |
ahh, you could make it non-redundant? |
| 01:21 |
|
thd |
kados: exactly, because it need only drop and recreate the frameworks tables |
| 01:23 |
|
thd |
kados: However, the script then needs to find the relevant updated frameworks SQL scripts. How will it know where to find them? |
| 01:24 |
|
thd |
does it use a relative path? |
| 01:32 |
|
thd |
kados: maybe I should investigate adding a post installation installer to the web installer |
| 01:33 |
|
thd |
kados: where is the nice description for how I can set up 3.0 if the installer is still broken? |
| 01:33 |
|
kados |
my feeling is that if someone needs a post installation update SQL script, they will be competant enough to build their own |
| 01:34 |
|
kados |
I don't think it makes sens to offer it |
| 01:34 |
|
kados |
there are much more pressing issues at hand |
| 01:34 |
|
kados |
like finishing the unimarc frameworks and finishing the simiple frameworks |
| 01:34 |
|
kados |
thd: priorities, man! :-) |
| 01:34 |
|
thd |
kados: well certainly, but that is trivial |
| 01:34 |
|
thd |
I meant for after that |
| 01:35 |
|
kados |
not really, it's been weeks and weeks ! :-) |
| 01:35 |
|
kados |
after that we can discuss the next steps :-) |
| 01:36 |
|
thd |
kados: not until yesterday did you comment about how UNIMARC frameworks could be installed :) |
| 01:37 |
|
thd |
I just needed a stable model |
| 01:38 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 01:38 |
|
kados |
just a sec |
| 01:39 |
|
kados |
thd: what if we did: |
| 01:39 |
|
kados |
installer/data/en/frameworks/unimarc |
| 01:39 |
|
kados |
installer/data/en/frameworks/marc21 |
| 01:39 |
|
kados |
then the frenchies could have |
| 01:39 |
|
kados |
installer/data/en/frameworks/unimarc/ |
| 01:40 |
|
thd |
with mandatory and optional underneath each of those? |
| 01:40 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 01:40 |
|
atz |
probably installer/data/fr/frameworks/unimarc/ ? |
| 01:40 |
|
kados |
atz: :-) |
| 01:40 |
|
atz |
just a guess :) |
| 01:41 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 01:41 |
|
thd |
:) |
| 01:41 |
|
kados |
basically we're just missing a 'choose your MARC flavour' step from the installer |
| 01:41 |
|
thd |
yes |
| 01:41 |
|
kados |
and based on that choice it should offer you a list of frameworks, some optional, some mandatory |
| 01:42 |
|
kados |
thd: that's of secondary importance to actually having working unimarc en frameworks :-) |
| 01:42 |
|
thd |
yes of course, mine are partly better than the French ones |
| 01:43 |
|
kados |
I'd suggest committing them to optional and then I can move them around when I get around to refactoring the installer |
| 01:43 |
|
kados |
(or whoever has time can do it then) |
| 01:43 |
|
thd |
I took some time to correctly translate and map an up to date version of Recommendation 995 |
| 01:44 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 01:44 |
|
thd |
however, I have a comment that says not safe for production because I did not have time to verify every line for free |
| 01:45 |
|
kados |
*nod* |
| 01:46 |
|
thd |
and I know that the person from whom you received them used out of date documentation and missed much that was in the documents which he did consult |
| 01:47 |
|
thd |
I think he worked from the incomplete French frameworks and then looked at the English UNIMARC documentation |
| 01:47 |
|
atz |
did you see the swedish linux users group that was going to hire 2 translators to translate koha into swedish? |
| 01:47 |
|
atz |
(or was it norwegian? i forget) |
| 01:47 |
|
thd |
maybe Norwegian |
| 01:48 |
|
thd |
kados: my other general question I will postpone but it addresses translation and framework proliferation |
| 09:41 |
|
yesan |
i would like to know whether or not a dedicated ip address is required if we use web hosting agencies like bluehost.com to install koha on our website |
| 09:42 |
|
yesan |
presently we are given a shared ip address from bluehost.com. our domain name is www.jlcopac.org |
| 09:42 |
|
yesan |
is someone there to answer my query |
| 09:45 |
|
yesan |
masonj, atleast you can help me to answer my query |
| 09:46 |
|
yesan |
it looks taking time to get my query answered |
| 09:48 |
|
yesan |
does any one there to help |
| 09:50 |
|
masonj |
hiya yesan |
| 09:50 |
|
masonj |
whats your query? |
| 09:50 |
|
yesan |
i would like to know whether or not a dedicated ip address is required if we use web hosting agencies like bluehost.com to install koha on our website |
| 09:51 |
|
yesan |
masonj, Did you get my query |
| 09:52 |
|
masonj |
hmm.. |
| 09:52 |
|
yesan |
i hope you got it |
| 09:53 |
|
yesan |
do you an answer, MasonJ |
| 09:53 |
|
masonj |
u might be able to use a dynamic dns service, to handle your non-static ip address |
| 09:53 |
|
masonj |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_DNS |
| 09:54 |
|
masonj |
but the short answer is no, u dont need a dedicated ip address |
| 09:55 |
|
yesan |
Thank u masonJ, I have another query. Please forgive me for my ignorance on these |
| 09:55 |
|
masonj |
and i do recall other people sucessfully setting up koha's on bluehost.com too |
| 09:56 |
|
yesan |
could you please let me know if there are some who have used bluehost for hosting koha |
| 09:56 |
|
masonj |
but having said that... |
| 09:57 |
|
yesan |
we need perl modules for Red Hat Linux version 4 (enterprise) for koha installation. has any one got. |
| 09:57 |
|
masonj |
running koha without a static ip, will give you all the pain-in-the-ass issues that running *any* web app without a static ip will have |
| 09:58 |
|
masonj |
lemme have a google thru the koha mailing-list archive... |
| 09:59 |
|
yesan |
So you mean to say that is wiser to have static/dedicated ip. which takes away $35.00 annnually |
| 09:59 |
|
masonj |
http://tinyurl.com/ypxhas |
| 10:01 |
|
masonj |
yeah, if u are using it for anything other than personal use, then go for a static ip |
| 10:02 |
|
yesan |
It will be union catalogue of Joint Library Committtee, Bangalore (15 libraries will be participating in this) |
| 10:02 |
|
masonj |
i dont think a dynamic dns setup is suitable for production boxes |
| 10:03 |
|
masonj |
lol, ok, definitely pay the extra 35 bucks for the static ip :) |
| 10:04 |
|
yesan |
does any one has perl modules for RH4 |
| 10:04 |
|
masonj |
add if you can , try to find a hosting company that offers debian boxes, rather than redhat |
| 10:05 |
|
masonj |
all the developers (that i know) use debian, |
| 10:06 |
|
yesan |
what is the advantage of debian over RH |
| 10:06 |
|
masonj |
all the developers use it :) |
| 10:06 |
|
masonj |
so you will get better help from them |
| 10:07 |
|
masonj |
thats the one big reason |
| 10:08 |
|
masonj |
i wont go into the technical differences between them right now :) |
| 10:10 |
|
masonj |
so, perhaps set up a deb and redhat box, and see which one u find easier |
| 10:11 |
|
yesan |
You are right, masonj |
| 10:11 |
|
yesan |
You are right |
| 10:11 |
|
yesan |
thank you masonj for being available to answer my queries. |
| 10:11 |
|
masonj |
the perl modules u can get from cpan.org too |
| 10:12 |
|
masonj |
from either a redhat or debian box |
| 10:13 |
|
masonj |
u dont need to look for the perl modules as *.rpm files on the net |
| 10:13 |
|
yesan |
that' |
| 10:13 |
|
yesan |
that's wonderful |
| 10:15 |
|
masonj |
so from a redhat box.... |
| 10:15 |
|
masonj |
perl -MCPAN -e shell |
| 10:16 |
|
masonj |
cpan> install DBD::mysql |
| 10:17 |
|
masonj |
from the cpan> prompt, you can grab your perl modules from cpan.org that way |
| 10:19 |
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masonj |
ok yesan, ive gotta go.... |
| 10:19 |
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masonj |
but, think about setting up a debian box too, your install will be *much* easier |
| 10:20 |
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masonj |
simply because we are all very familiar with debian, not so much redhat... |
| 10:21 |
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yesan |
Masonj thank for your help. |
| 10:21 |
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masonj |
cool, sing out if you get stuck and need a hand :) |
