Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
12:32 |
|
kados |
morning #koha |
12:38 |
|
paul |
kados : about your cn proposal. |
12:38 |
|
kados |
hi |
12:38 |
|
paul |
(beep hdl) |
12:38 |
|
hdl |
yes |
12:38 |
|
paul |
hdl pointed that in france, libraries often have : |
12:39 |
|
paul |
- NNN ABC (NNN=dewey ABC=aiuthor) for docs |
12:39 |
|
paul |
and letters for fictions |
12:39 |
|
paul |
in this scheme, how will we fill lcsort ? |
12:39 |
|
kados |
yes, we have the same problem in US public libraries |
12:39 |
|
paul |
(it's the scheme most public libraries use) |
12:40 |
|
kados |
for sorting, it's impossible to avoid problems |
12:40 |
|
kados |
the user must understand that fiction is ABC and non-fiction is 123 |
12:40 |
|
kados |
in fact, I had this problem for NPL |
12:41 |
|
kados |
http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/search |
12:41 |
|
kados |
Check the Call Number 'Sort By ' option |
12:41 |
|
hdl |
problem is really HARD for inventory/stocktaking. |
12:41 |
|
kados |
do you have any idea for a solution? |
12:46 |
|
kados |
gys? |
12:46 |
|
kados |
guys? |
12:47 |
|
paul |
not from me. hdl, an idea ? (i'm not sure it's solvable. I at least wanted to be sure you were aware of the problem |
12:47 |
|
paul |
) |
12:48 |
|
hdl |
I have one. But it is not really satisfying. |
12:48 |
|
hdl |
a) having more than one subfield for Call Number |
12:49 |
|
hdl |
so that ppl would enter a call number for figures in one subfield, callnumber alpha in another. |
12:50 |
|
paul |
we can't say to do that to our librarians i'm afraid ! |
12:50 |
|
hdl |
If we cannot tell them, |
12:50 |
|
hdl |
then it is up to US to make distinction. |
12:50 |
|
hdl |
i.e. : when adding a biblio, |
12:51 |
|
hdl |
split cn into : |
12:51 |
|
hdl |
classification / callnumber |
12:51 |
|
hdl |
(on a callnumber delimiter systempref) |
12:52 |
|
hdl |
Then see whether it is figures or alphabetical. |
12:52 |
|
hdl |
And class it the right way. |
12:52 |
|
hdl |
Many of our clients are requesting a solution for stocktaking. |
12:59 |
|
kados |
yea, it's a tough prob |
13:02 |
|
hdl |
I do agree. |
13:03 |
|
kados |
OK, great |
13:03 |
|
hdl |
But it seems we would require at least 2 indexes on callnumber. |
13:05 |
|
kados |
yea, and that can be messy IMO |
13:05 |
|
kados |
so do you guys have a plan for bug fixing 3.0? :-) |
13:05 |
|
paul |
for this specific problem ? |
13:06 |
|
paul |
not really |
13:06 |
|
kados |
no, just in general |
13:06 |
|
paul |
I work almost full time on bugfixing. |
13:06 |
|
kados |
excellent |
13:06 |
|
paul |
for at least the 2 or 3 coming weeks |
13:07 |
|
kados |
great news! |
13:07 |
|
paul |
most of our impatient clients have accepted to delay 3.0 setup for some more time. only 1 remaining that need something for oct, 24 |
13:07 |
|
paul |
hdl take care of it. |
13:07 |
|
paul |
the french translation of the new templates are done. |
13:08 |
|
kados |
cool |
13:10 |
|
paul |
kados : I have only a we bugs affected atm. does every liblime assignee take care of their ? |
13:10 |
|
paul |
(only 37 for me, 224 overall) |
13:11 |
|
kados |
I've asked chris and ryan to focus on blockers this week |
13:11 |
|
paul |
I may be able to fix some bugs that are not mine, but how to be sure a liblimer isn't working on it ? |
13:11 |
|
kados |
they will announce each one they plan to fix before fixing it |
13:11 |
|
paul |
what about setting statut=ASSI on bugs taken |
13:11 |
|
paul |
in the bug notes ? |
13:11 |
|
kados |
yep, and they will update the assigned status to themselves |
13:12 |
|
paul |
ok, thx |
13:12 |
|
kados |
if you want to work on a bug, just change yourself to the assignee and say 'I'm working on it' |
13:12 |
|
paul |
for sure. I already did id some times. (& just reaffect to you a bug you've written "partial fix commited, will continue soon" |
13:14 |
|
kados |
ok, thanks |
13:17 |
|
paul |
kados : about Z3950NormalizeAuthor = |
13:18 |
|
paul |
in UNIMARC, an author can be in 200$f and in 700 (as an authority) |
13:18 |
|
paul |
usually, and it's supposed to be that, the 200$f should always be filled. |
13:18 |
|
paul |
but on some catalogues, it can be empty if the 700 is filled with the authority. |
13:19 |
|
paul |
as we have author ordering on 200$f, those records are uncorrectly sorted as '' (1st position) |
13:19 |
|
paul |
the Z3950NormalizeAuthor fills the 200$f with the 700 if 200$f is empty & the library want it to be auto filled |
13:19 |
|
paul |
hope that sounds more clear. |
13:20 |
|
paul |
not sure it can be useful for a marc21 library... |
13:20 |
|
kados |
yep, doesn't sound like it's a marc21 feature |
13:20 |
|
kados |
thanks for the explanation |
13:20 |
|
paul |
(otherwise, MARCfindbreeding patch almost done) |
13:20 |
|
paul |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1473 |
13:21 |
|
kados |
paul++ |
13:22 |
|
kados |
(just summarlize your comments :-)) |
13:32 |
|
paul |
kados : any opinion about ireport ? |
14:10 |
|
kados |
huh, interesting |
14:10 |
|
kados |
it's Java |
14:10 |
|
kados |
:( |
14:10 |
|
kados |
means it's going to be hard to troubleshoot later |
14:10 |
|
paul |
same reaction : :( |
14:10 |
|
paul |
yep |
14:11 |
|
kados |
plus, we already hav a new stats module that's coming along nicely |
14:11 |
|
paul |
do you know a good reporting tool that don't require java ? |
14:11 |
|
paul |
another idea then ? |
14:11 |
|
paul |
(the subject is not yet defined ) |
14:11 |
|
kados |
we have built our own |
14:11 |
|
kados |
it's a very difficult process! |
14:12 |
|
kados |
we should be done with testing this week |
14:12 |
|
paul |
I know. In my previous position, we had investigated to find something |
14:12 |
|
kados |
and I can show you something perhaps next week |
14:13 |
|
kados |
we have a three-phase process, and we're on phase 1 |
14:16 |
|
hdl |
paul, kados, maybe talend could provide some bricks for that ? |
14:19 |
|
kados |
talend? |
14:20 |
|
kados |
ahh, neat |
14:20 |
|
paul |
kados : talend is pierrick company ;-) |
14:22 |
|
kados |
ahh, cool |
14:22 |
|
kados |
pierrick++ |
14:22 |
|
kados |
he owns the company, or just works there? |
14:22 |
|
paul |
just works here |
14:22 |
|
kados |
ahh, ok :-) |
14:22 |
|
kados |
otherwise, I'd be very impressed :-) |
14:22 |
|
kados |
(still impressed) :-) |
14:40 |
|
slef |
hi all. I've ala written on my schedule for now but I can't remember why... are the ALA doing anything interesting online now? ;-) |
14:47 |
|
kados |
ALA = American Library Association? |
14:58 |
|
hdl |
new Authorities Editor based on MARCeditor on the way. |
15:10 |
|
kados |
hdl++ |
15:10 |
|
kados |
hdl: I noticed something else, maybe you can explain |
15:10 |
|
kados |
it's in the frameworks editor for authorities |
15:10 |
|
hdl |
yes ? |
15:11 |
|
kados |
it has the visibility flags separated out into three areas, editor, opac and staff |
15:11 |
|
kados |
did you do that? |
15:11 |
|
kados |
it's very nice |
15:11 |
|
kados |
it woudl be a nice addition to the biblio frameworks |
15:12 |
|
hdl |
I would like to say yes. But unfortunately, it is tumer's code. |
15:12 |
|
hdl |
I did not test if it worked as expected. |
15:14 |
|
kados |
ahh, ok |
15:14 |
|
hdl |
But I think provided we have a char, we can map to existing behaviour |
15:20 |
|
kados |
*nod* |
15:20 |
|
kados |
it's nice window dressing, to add after we have fixed blockers :) |
15:35 |
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15:35 |
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16:13 |
|
paul |
kados around ? |
16:15 |
|
kados |
paul: yep |
16:15 |
|
paul |
i have a marc21 default setup. |
16:15 |
|
paul |
i have checked all checkboxes, so I have many datas. |
16:16 |
|
paul |
seems I have a lot of patrons, with personnal datas. |
16:16 |
|
paul |
are the personal datas "false" ? |
16:16 |
|
paul |
otherwise, i think it's a major problem (at least if I was a patron & discovered my address & phone... are installed with Koha, i would be very very unhappy !) |
16:18 |
|
kados |
yes, it's all false info |
16:18 |
|
kados |
completely random |
16:19 |
|
ryan |
made from a list of most popular names in US. |
17:00 |
|
paul |
bye bye world. see you tomorrow |
17:01 |
|
kados |
later paul |
17:01 |
|
paul_away |
(8 patches from hdl to test, i'll do it in the morning. 8 patches sent) |
17:02 |
|
kados |
great |
17:02 |
|
kados |
we'll get those pushed through tonight |
20:12 |
|
hdl |
kados : |
20:12 |
|
hdl |
are you around ? |
20:16 |
|
chris |
i think he is on a flight at the moment hdl |
20:16 |
|
hdl |
chris : I wanted to have a brainstorming with him about bulkedit. |
20:16 |
|
hdl |
Do you know something about this feature ? |
20:26 |
|
hdl |
chris ? |
20:26 |
|
chris |
hmm nope, what is it for? bulkediting marc records? |
20:27 |
|
hdl |
yes. |
20:27 |
|
chris |
sounds like a good feature |
20:27 |
|
hdl |
I did it on Result page. |
20:27 |
|
hdl |
But Joshua asked to do it preferably in tools. |
20:28 |
|
hdl |
My problem is that I see 4 different uses for this tool : |
20:28 |
|
hdl |
basket |
20:28 |
|
hdl |
virtualshelves |
20:28 |
|
hdl |
result of a ccl query |
20:29 |
|
chris |
right |
20:29 |
|
hdl |
direct search. |
20:29 |
|
hdl |
(pqf query) |
20:29 |
|
chris |
does he want the bulkedit script to live in tools? or the whole thing? |
20:30 |
|
chris |
i guess we need to ask him that |
20:30 |
|
hdl |
This is my question. |
20:30 |
|
hdl |
The whole thing would require to duplicate search and results. |
20:31 |
|
chris |
yes, that wouldnt be good, because it will get out of synx |
20:31 |
|
hdl |
anyway, librarians should have a way to create a basket in intranet. |
20:31 |
|
chris |
sync |
20:31 |
|
chris |
yep |
20:31 |
|
chris |
i agree |
20:31 |
|
hdl |
This is what I think too. |
20:32 |
|
hdl |
Would you tell him if you happen to get in touch with him tonight ? |
20:33 |
|
chris |
sure will |
20:33 |
|
hdl |
(he marked this as blocker :S ) |
20:35 |
|
hdl |
good nite. |
20:35 |
|
chris |
good night, sleep well |
20:35 |
|
hdl_away |
will try |
20:44 |
|
kados |
bulkedit should be in tools, it shouldn't be available after every search |
20:44 |
|
kados |
esp since the html it generates is HUGE |
20:44 |
|
kados |
but it's a nice feature |
20:45 |
|
chris |
ok |
20:45 |
|
chris |
but could it work |
20:45 |
|
chris |
by you going by tools |
20:45 |
|
chris |
and the link there is a link to the search page, with a variable passed in, bulkedit=1 |
20:46 |
|
chris |
so you do a search, and it passes bulkedit=1 to the results too |
20:46 |
|
chris |
and then you get the bulkedit |
20:46 |
|
kados |
yea, that'd work |
20:46 |
|
chris |
cool |
20:46 |
|
kados |
that would be cnfusing thoug |
20:46 |
|
kados |
though |
20:47 |
|
chris |
well you could do things in the template |
20:47 |
|
kados |
it's not clear to the librarian that you're in 'bulk edit' mode |
20:47 |
|
chris |
if bulkedit |
20:47 |
|
kados |
if we could maek that explicit it'd be fine |
20:47 |
|
chris |
<h1>Bulk Editing</h1> |
20:47 |
|
kados |
yea |
20:47 |
|
chris |
thats how catalogue maintenance worked |
20:47 |
|
kados |
cool |
20:48 |
|
chris |
that way we dont have to rewrite the search |
20:48 |
|
kados |
yea, makes sens |
20:57 |
|
chris |
theres a big one that i couldnt apply, of french templates, i think maybe the locales on merry are wrong or something .. somthing to with utf8 anyway |
20:57 |
|
chris |
so im getting paul to send it to my liblime address, see if zimbra and the mac handle it better |
21:00 |
|
kados |
strange |
21:00 |
|
chris |
i got it with the french systempreferences |
21:00 |
|
chris |
corrupt patch |
21:01 |
|
chris |
and if you look at it, its got manky characters |
21:01 |
|
chris |
instead of the proper accents etc |
21:01 |
|
chris |
so at some point its getting converted to ascii/iso-9960 (or whatever) |
21:01 |
|
chris |
which is busting it up |
21:02 |
|
kados |
you check your mutt setings? |
21:02 |
|
kados |
it could also be postfix I guess |
21:02 |
|
chris |
yeah |
21:02 |
|
chris |
so if it comes thru to my liblime mailbox ok |
21:02 |
|
chris |
then that narrows it down to something on merry |
21:03 |
|
chris |
if it still comes thru munched |
21:03 |
|
kados |
*nod* |
21:03 |
|
chris |
then its something else |
06:48 |
|
paul |
hello world. |
06:48 |
|
paul |
chris around ? |
08:17 |
|
chris |
hi paul |
08:17 |
|
chris |
i am now |
08:17 |
|
paul |
hello chris. |
08:17 |
|
paul |
2 questions : |
08:17 |
|
paul |
- do you know why kados reverted my #1485 patch ? |
08:18 |
|
chris |
ahh he sent you a mail i think |
08:18 |
|
paul |
he sended me a mail, to say he had problems with it |
08:18 |
|
chris |
i think it didnt fix the problem |
08:19 |
|
paul |
I will speak of this with kados later then. I haven't updated my copy atm. |
08:19 |
|
paul |
but if I do i'll revert my patch |
08:19 |
|
paul |
how can I un-revert it again ? |
08:19 |
|
paul |
(to test & complete it if needed) |
08:19 |
|
chris |
ahh you can revert the revert :) |
08:20 |
|
chris |
its commit 464b0e25e798a87b2b124e840c8eeebb46ade7eb |
08:20 |
|
chris |
so you can revert 464b0e25e798a87b2b124e840c8eeebb46ade7eb |
08:20 |
|
chris |
and that will revert it |
08:21 |
|
chris |
or |
08:21 |
|
paul |
right ! then kados will revert the revert of the revert of the patch. |
08:21 |
|
chris |
hehe |
08:21 |
|
chris |
yep |
08:21 |
|
paul |
sounds nice ;-) |
08:21 |
|
paul |
my 2nd question then: |
08:21 |
|
chris |
or you can apply the patch |
08:21 |
|
chris |
that you sent to joshua, and that will make the changes |
08:21 |
|
chris |
so 2 ways to do it |
08:22 |
|
paul |
in the default english loaded datas, there are some branches defined. |
08:22 |
|
paul |
with some branchcategories : |
08:22 |
|
chris |
hmm |
08:22 |
|
paul |
INSERT INTO branchcategories ( `categorycode`,`categoryname`,`codedescription`) VALUES |
08:22 |
|
paul |
-- Org Unit-style categories |
08:22 |
|
paul |
('CON', 'Consortium', 'Consortium library category for scoped searching'), |
08:22 |
|
paul |
INSERT INTO branchrelations ( `branchcode`,`categorycode`) VALUES |
08:22 |
|
paul |
('ML','BRA'), -- branch-level library |
08:22 |
|
paul |
('MAIN','PE'), -- for acqui |
08:23 |
|
paul |
('SPL','SYS'), -- system-level library |
08:23 |
|
paul |
does branchcategories really work ? |
08:23 |
|
paul |
what does it do ? |
08:23 |
|
chris |
getbranches() |
08:23 |
|
chris |
can take a categorycode as an argument |
08:24 |
|
chris |
so at HLT |
08:24 |
|
chris |
the have some branches which are categorycode IS (of issuing) |
08:24 |
|
chris |
and some which arent |
08:24 |
|
chris |
in the opac-reserve.pl it only gets branches which are of category IS |
08:25 |
|
chris |
so people can only choose to pick up a reserve from a branch that can issue |
08:26 |
|
chris |
so they might also have a branch they call Mending (where a book goes when its damaged to be fixed) |
08:26 |
|
paul |
wow ! I never saw that feature ! |
08:26 |
|
paul |
mmm... |
08:26 |
|
paul |
opac-reserve.pl says : |
08:26 |
|
paul |
my $branches = GetBranches(); |
08:26 |
|
paul |
need some fixes it seems ;-) |
08:27 |
|
chris |
yeah, at hlt it says my $branches = GetBranches('IS'); |
08:27 |
|
chris |
yeah, it needs to be documented and fixed, i think joshua was documenting it |
08:27 |
|
paul |
ok, thanks. |
08:29 |
|
paul |
wow... an analysis of F <> NZ match... |
08:29 |
|
chris |
hehe |
08:29 |
|
paul |
france won 197 to 47 |
08:29 |
|
paul |
... |
08:29 |
|
paul |
for "plaquages" ! |
08:29 |
|
chris |
? |
08:29 |
|
paul |
(don't know the word in english) |
08:29 |
|
paul |
when you make a guy falling |
08:29 |
|
chris |
hmmm i wonder if google can tell us |
08:29 |
|
chris |
tackle |
08:29 |
|
paul |
yep |
08:30 |
|
chris |
yeah, france won because they defending so well |
08:30 |
|
paul |
30% vs 70% of ball owning |
08:30 |
|
chris |
yeah |
08:30 |
|
chris |
nz has no one to blame except themselves, they had much more ball, but made to many mistakes |
08:33 |
|
chris |
but now you must beat england .. or slef will laugh at both of us :-) |
08:33 |
|
paul |
for sure ! |
09:01 |
|
chris |
http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=9824 |
09:01 |
|
chris |
kahurangi with food stuck on his nose :) |
10:04 |
|
kados |
paul: you around? |
10:04 |
|
paul |
hi kados |
10:04 |
|
paul |
yep |
10:04 |
|
kados |
paul: did you see my note about the one patch? |
10:04 |
|
paul |
(although going to lunch in a few minuts) |
10:04 |
|
paul |
yep |
10:04 |
|
paul |
& i need more info... |
10:04 |
|
paul |
you wrote : |
10:05 |
|
paul |
I tried applying this patch, then re-installing Koha and testing the |
10:05 |
|
paul |
fines saving. |
10:05 |
|
kados |
right |
10:05 |
|
paul |
but my patch was about *issuing* rules, not fines |
10:05 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
10:05 |
|
kados |
I thought the bug was about *finds* rules |
10:06 |
|
paul |
+ the itemtype default are useless because they mean nothing functionnaly. |
10:06 |
|
kados |
really? |
10:06 |
|
kados |
they have meaning for my libraries |
10:06 |
|
paul |
mmm... I may have miswritten the note. |
10:07 |
|
paul |
the feature "an adult can issue 3 books, 2 videos, but no more than 4 things" is ok, for sure |
10:07 |
|
paul |
but the feature " an adult can issue 3 books, a children can issue 2 books, a staff member can issue 5 books, but nobody can issue more than 5 books means nothing" |
10:07 |
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kados |
paul: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1485 (it's a bug report about fines rules) |
10:08 |
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kados |
hmmm |
10:08 |
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kados |
that's not what 'default' means in the US context |
10:08 |
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kados |
in the US, it means 'if you don't specific a value by borrower type, here is the default' |
10:09 |
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kados |
so it means 'by default, everyone can issue 5 books' |
10:09 |
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kados |
then, maybe you will specify that 'children' can only issue 3 books |
10:09 |
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kados |
but adults, staff, etc., may just be in the default |
10:10 |
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kados |
does that make sense? |
10:10 |
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paul |
i'm afraid no |
10:10 |
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paul |
ah, ok |
10:10 |
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paul |
got it. |
10:10 |
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paul |
but it's not the way it's handled by koha. |
10:11 |
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paul |
it does not mean "default", it means "any case" |
10:11 |
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paul |
think the itemtype rule : |
10:11 |
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paul |
3 books, 5 videos, 5 total maximum |
10:11 |
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paul |
when you issue something, every rule is checked |
10:12 |
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kados |
most applications provide for rules that transition from 'general rule' to 'specific rule' |
10:12 |
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kados |
that's what users expect |
10:12 |
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kados |
and that's how Koha 2.2 works |
10:12 |
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kados |
I'm not sure if that's changed in 3.0 |
10:12 |
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paul |
??? no ! |
10:12 |
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paul |
that not how it works in 2.2 |
10:13 |
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kados |
hmmm |
10:13 |
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kados |
so if you fill out the default values they will override all other values? |
10:13 |
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paul |
that's one of the reason why we had some/many questions. |
10:13 |
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paul |
nope. |
10:13 |
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paul |
all values are checked. |
10:13 |
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paul |
if a cell is empty, it is considered as 0,0 |
10:14 |
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paul |
(0 = no issuing possible) |
10:14 |
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paul |
a lot of users thought that the most right line was for "consider this if I don't fill a cell", but it was not the way it worked. |
10:14 |
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paul |
(and it is still not) |
10:14 |
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paul |
we could reintroduce that feature in this way |
10:15 |
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paul |
but that would be confusing with itemtype wildcard |
10:15 |
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paul |
(3 books, 5 dvd, 5 total) |
10:15 |
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paul |
which is totally different. |
10:15 |
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kados |
what's total? |
10:15 |
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paul |
"any document" |
10:15 |
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paul |
don't you have such rules in US ? |
10:15 |
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paul |
in Marseille, PL, the rules are : |
10:15 |
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paul |
- up to 10 books |
10:16 |
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kados |
so '*' means 'any document' ? |
10:16 |
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paul |
- up to 1 DVD |
10:16 |
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paul |
- up to 1 fiction DVD |
10:16 |
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paul |
- up to 10 documents averall |
10:16 |
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paul |
yep, * = any doc |
10:16 |
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kados |
wow, that's not what people think at all! |
10:16 |
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kados |
this needs to be discussed on koha-devel |
10:16 |
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paul |
and the previous * on the left means * = any patron category, which is silly |
10:17 |
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paul |
s/left/right |
10:17 |
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kados |
it's not silly at all |
10:17 |
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paul |
if we consider it as fdefault, right |
10:17 |
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kados |
most US libraries assume it is a default that can be overridden by a more specific case |
10:17 |
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paul |
not silly at all. |
10:17 |
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kados |
same with the itemtype * |
10:17 |
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kados |
we need a separate one for 'total' |
10:17 |
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kados |
that is more explicit |
10:17 |
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kados |
total != * |
10:18 |
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kados |
I think we need this to be discussed on koha-devel |
10:18 |
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kados |
it's a very important topic |
10:18 |
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paul |
I agree. |
10:18 |
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kados |
I'm glad I asked :-) |
10:18 |
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paul |
I let you go to breakfast, I go to lunch |
10:19 |
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kados |
ok, sounds good |
10:19 |
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paul |
(how does npl handle that ... as it's the way it works in 2.2) |
10:19 |
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paul |
(& in dev_week as well probably) |
10:19 |
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paul |
you send the mail to koha-devel, or I do it ? |
10:20 |
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paul |
(as you want) |
10:24 |
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kados |
paul_lunch: could you send it? thx :-) |
10:24 |
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kados |
have a good lunch |