IRC log for #koha, 2007-10-02

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12:26 kados morning owen
12:26 paul hello kados
12:26 kados hi paul
12:26 paul & owen
12:28 kados paul: re: 1446 ... very strange you don't have this prob with unimarc, esp since we found the prob and it's in the code!
12:28 paul you're completly right
12:28 kados since there was another bulkmarcimport error
12:28 kados also
12:29 kados it's a clear indication to us that 3.0 w/kohastructure.sql is != to what you use with updatedatabase
12:30 kados paul: also, I don't think it's a good idea to omit the nozebra table
12:31 kados paul: and create/populate it 'on the fly'
12:31 paul (on phone)
12:31 owen Hi guys
12:31 kados hiya owen
12:31 owen Busy weekend, hunh? 8:30 AM Monday and I"m already behind!
12:31 kados :-)
12:31 kados yea, we did some testing this weekend
12:32 kados this week should be a busy one on #koha, koha-devel and git
12:41 paul (back)
12:42 paul kados : OK to add nozebra table to kohastructure.sql if you think it's useful.
12:43 kados also other missing tables
12:43 kados and please note the kohastructure.sql changes I made over the weekend
12:43 kados some column defs were listed as NOT NULL
12:43 kados and I changed them to default NULL
12:43 kados because they broke bulkmarcimport
12:44 kados also, could you explain the additional columns in biblioitems?
12:44 kados what are they used for?
12:44 paul to store serial collections informations
12:45 paul to be able to show them easily. Those fields are often requested by libraries, for example in the result list.
12:45 paul hdl wrote that in july, and, iirc, spoke of this with you.
12:45 kados so there are new mappings to create?
12:45 paul (I was in holidays, he told me that on phone, I may be wrong)
12:46 paul yes!
12:46 kados k
12:46 paul a question from me now :
12:46 paul about khastructure.sql, you say in 1448 that browser table is not here.
12:46 paul but I see it in git
12:46 kados I'm just reporting what I find
12:46 kados when I run the script
12:46 paul s/tag/browser/ sorry.
12:47 paul browser is missing, you're right.
12:47 paul but tags (comment #1 of 1448)
12:48 kados the hierarchy feature fails for another reason?
12:48 kados from my brief look at the code, the hierarchy feature relies on the browser table too
12:48 kados all I know is it don't work :-)
12:49 kados I was just guessing why
12:49 paul ah, ok, I misunderstood.
12:49 paul the hierarchy feature works with the "browser" table, it's right
12:50 kados paul: also, you use a mysqldump to generate your sysprefs
12:50 kados in the data/fr dir
12:50 kados this means that there's no way to easily track changes to sysprefs
12:50 kados and it's also not easy to see what is different between english and french sysprefs
12:50 kados I'd highly suggest you create and maintain a human-readable sysprefs.sql file
12:52 paul I've seen the problem. And I think I should at least use some flags to have a more easily human readable dump, you're right.
12:52 paul (+ maybe it could solve the commit problem i have with those accented chars)
12:53 paul are you OK to add a new step in the installer (to let the user choose between zebra & nozebra ?)
12:53 kados sure
12:53 kados as long as it doesn't break the installer :-)
12:54 paul nobody's perfect, but i'll try !
12:54 paul ah, kados, a BIG NEWS !
12:54 paul it's finally here !
12:55 paul you won't believe it, but it's live since this morning.
12:55 paul .
12:55 paul .
12:55 paul .
12:55 paul
12:55 kados wow, funny
12:55 paul click on "catalogue & ressources" to reach Koha (or search in "Rechercher sur", radio "le catalogue"
12:56 paul it's done with typo3
12:56 kados hehe, it's broken for me
12:56 kados firefox rejects the popul
12:56 kados popup
12:56 kados Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDOMHTMLFormElement.submit]"  nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: http://www.mediathequeouestpro[…]te/rechercher.php :: onload :: line 1"  data: no]
12:56 paul ! right, same for me !
13:03 hdl kados : About change in authorities frameworks, I did it last year.
13:03 hdl It was to prepare a merge between biblios and authorities management.
13:04 hdl Merge which is not good now.
13:04 hdl But still, some features are really useful.
13:04 hdl a) it enables ppl to link an authority with an other one, just like biblios.
13:05 kados I'd like to see 'a)' in action
13:05 kados do you have an example?
13:05 hdl (frameworkcode is used as authtypecode for authorities. I could not find a good name : relatedauthorities.)
13:05 hdl (could be)
13:06 hdl Not live.
13:07 paul kados : http://koha.mediathequeouestpr[…]koha/
13:11 hdl Could be soon live when authorities framework input will be based on biblios framework.
14:32 kados hdl: could you explain that?
14:32 kados hdl: authorities framework input based on biblios framework?
14:33 hdl I have to add [...] after a subfield if subfield is linked to an authtypecode and open an window
14:34 kados in the marc editor?
14:46 thd kados: if the [...] link is doing something useful for your users now, it should be more noticeable than 3 dots are.
14:47 kados hdl: I'm still unclear whether you're adding that to the biblio or authorities editor
14:48 hdl kados:  marceditor for authorities
14:52 hdl kados ?
14:53 kados hdl: so the ... would allow you to link two authorities?
14:53 hdl yes.
14:54 kados as peers or in a hierarchy?
14:54 hdl a 550 field would contain  Broader term, Specific term or see also depending on $5 value
14:54 hdl (to be an authorised_value list)
14:55 hdl thd... Do you confirm that $5 USMARC-A contains relation code ?
14:56 hdl For UNIMARC $5 contains g for generic, h for specific, nothing for peer
15:03 kados I'd like to see an easy way to link peer authority records for doing, e.g., multi-language authorities
15:03 kados one in turkish, one in english
15:03 kados afaik, that's a manual process right now
15:04 thd hdl: In MARC 21 that would be the first position of 450 or 550 $w
15:05 hdl thd is there many positions in $w ?
15:06 hdl tumer did some work about that.
15:07 hdl But you have then 2 thesaurii (1 for each language) and you link different authorities.
15:07 kados paul: did you revive stopwords?
15:07 kados pauor just for NoZebra?
15:08 paul kados : yes. and not just for nozebra.
15:08 kados hmmm
15:08 kados will it die if you have no stopwords defined?
15:08 paul Search now removes stopwords before sending the query to zebra
15:08 thd hdl: 4XX - 5XX $w is perhaps variable length but if position 0, the first position, is filled then it may include the relationship of the tracing or reference to the main heading of the authority
15:08 paul kados : I hope no, but haven't tested, that's true ;-)
15:09 thd hdl: there are up to 4 optional positions for 4XX-5XX $w
15:11 thd hdl: For linking fields 7XX, $w functions like UNIMARC $3 and contains the control number of the linked record
15:14 thd hdl: In MARC 21 $5 contains the institution code in case the particular field is only meant to apply to a particular institution.  I have never noticed a real MARC 21 record using $5.
15:17 thd paul: what happens to a title query when the title contains only stopwords?
15:19 thd paul: Andy Warhol has a novel entitled "A".  Stephen King wrote a novel entitled "It".
15:26 kados Opera has a publication called "O"
15:26 kados :-)
15:31 owen Opera -> Oprah
15:32 kados hehe
15:33 paul maybe we should remove stopwords only for word search, not for exact search. Could that be correct ?
15:34 paul or, if there is no answer, re-query with empty words included
15:47 kados IMO, stopwords should be configured at the index level
18:18 owen Will/Should a z39.50 search from addbiblio work if the ISBN is hyphenated?
18:24 owen kados: did you test addbiblio over the weekend?
18:24 kados it _should_ work with hyphens
18:24 kados if it doesn't, let me know
18:25 owen I just tried adding a biblio and it didn't work. It looked like it was forwarded on to additem
18:37 owen No Amazon features in 3.0?
18:38 owen Oh, I see the sysprefs now
19:18 hdl owen : did you have an error ?
19:18 hdl I had the same problem with my installation. But it was a problem of field missing in biblioitems
19:19 owen An entry was created in the biblio table, but not in biblioitems. Should a line be created in biblioitems even if there are no items yet?
19:20 owen The way I discovered the problem was that after saving the biblio I tried to enter an item and that failed. When I went back to check for the biblio details on catalogue/, nothing showed up
19:22 hdl owen : yes, a line in biblioitems should be created even if no item is created.
19:22 hdl It is biblioitems which contains marcrecord.
19:22 owen That's what I thought. No entry in biblioitems was created.
19:23 hdl In fact, you have biblio = Title author and primary information
19:23 hdl biblioitems = editor, editionstatement asoasf
19:23 hdl (itemtype is in biblioitems)
19:24 owen I wonder if it's a frameworks problem? When I try to change the framework in, several come up blank
19:25 hdl We could say that Koha COULD be ready for a kind of FRBRization... (If we managed multiple biblioitems for one biblio, which we donot do anymore.)
19:25 hdl owen : did you have acces to logs ?
19:25 hdl Don't you have any mysql error ?
19:25 owen I'll try adding again and see if I can see an error
19:28 owen I can't see anything in the logs, but I'm not sure I'm looking in the right place. I'd have to double-check with kados, since it's his testing server
19:34 kados owen: the log in your home dir is the right one
19:36 owen [Mon Oct 01 14:27:25 2007] [error] [client] [Mon Oct  1 14:27:25 2007] DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'editionresponsibility' in 'field list' at /home/oleonard/koha/production​/intranet/modules/C4/ line 3495., referer: http://staff.oleonard/cgi-bin/[…]0=1&breedingid=34
19:36 owen [Mon Oct 01 14:27:26 2007] [error] [client] [Mon Oct  1 14:27:26 2007] COUNT8 at value_builder/ line 83., referer: http://staff.oleonard/cgi-bin/[…]0=1&breedingid=34
19:51 kados owen: you need to reinstall
19:51 owen Whee.
19:51 kados owen: that's the error the ryan fixed a couple days ago
19:52 kados it's a db-level prob
19:52 kados owen: how much data have you put into your system?
19:52 owen I'd happily wipe the system if we could get Zebra working in the process
19:52 kados ok, lets do it
04:47 Irma Hi all...I am looking for Russel. Is he around?
09:02 chris lol
09:03 masonj :)
09:03 chris did you read pauls latest email mason?
09:04 chris google translates it as
09:04 chris thats classic
09:05 masonj ohh man , thats cute
09:06 chris i had escargot though
09:06 masonj still reading!....
09:08 paul hello folks !
09:08 paul frog legs are something very sweet.
09:08 paul (less keen of escargots)
09:09 masonj i havent tried either
09:12 chris ill have to visit again paul, and we can go out for frog legs :)
09:14 chris and creme brulee
09:14 chris i think i had creme brulee every second day :)
09:32 paul chris : not that good for your health to eat creme brulee every 2nd day ;-)
09:32 chris lucky i was only there for 2 weeks :)
09:33 paul chris : 3 patches in your mailbox.
09:33 chris pain au chocolat in the morning, creme brulee at night
09:34 chris cool ill go look
09:36 chris cool nice patches, ive pushed them up to the RM repo
09:36 chris so when kados wakes up ;)
09:40 paul the france => NZ => US workflow is not timezone optimized...
09:42 chris :)
09:42 chris means there is always someone working :)
09:42 chris[…]rdeaux+Bakery.htm
09:42 chris best pain au chocolat in wellington
09:43 chris ahh new caledonia is close
09:43 paul the main NC library (bernheim) moves to Koha
09:43 chris very cool
09:43 paul with most the small ones. Could be the 1st "Koha country" ;-)
09:43 chris soon the whole pacific, so far its the cook islands
09:43 chris samoa
09:43 chris fiji
09:44 chris and new caledonia
09:44 paul chris, did you see :
09:44 paul ?
09:44 paul (click on "catalogue & ressources")
09:45 paul same in french as in english...
09:45 chris ohhh cool
09:46 chris nice and fast
09:46 chris 6 books about maori :)
09:46 chris thats very cool paul
09:47 paul (not from me at all)
09:47 chris tell bruno and arnaud congratulations on a great site when you see them
09:49 chris its very fast, all the way to new zealand
09:50 chris so must be super fast there
09:54 chris ok, i think bedtime for me, have a good day paul
09:54 paul bye & good day
09:54 paul bye & good night
09:56 masonj yes, the new koha looks stunning
09:56 rach v nce paul
09:56 paul hello rach & masonj
09:56 masonj heya rach :)
09:57 rach hi ya
09:58 rach ah finally ben is asleep
09:58 paul rach : our daylight change in in 3 weeks...
09:59 rach somehow we have managed to get going to bed at old time combined with getting up at new time :-(
09:59 rach which makes the night seem v short
10:00 rach it just changed last weekend
10:00 rach ah but finally si has managed to get ben to sleep so now I can head off
10:00 paul sweet night
10:01 rach have a good day :-)

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