| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:01 |
|
kados |
morning jaron |
| 12:01 |
|
kados |
jaron: just got your email :-) |
| 12:02 |
|
jaron |
good morning |
| 12:02 |
|
jaron |
:) |
| 12:04 |
|
jaron |
btw, was able to poke around and find a public but unannounced svn repo to grab the code. |
| 12:05 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 12:06 |
|
kados |
yea, it's there, but you have to look closely :-) |
| 12:08 |
|
jaron |
cool, thanks for responding. |
| 12:14 |
|
paul |
hello kados & jaron |
| 12:14 |
|
jaron |
morning paul |
| 12:18 |
|
kados |
hiya paul |
| 12:28 |
|
owen |
Hi #koha |
| 12:28 |
|
kados |
hiya owen :-) |
| 12:28 |
|
owen |
What've you been up to kados? |
| 12:29 |
|
kados |
yesterday we had a meeting with a client at our new offices |
| 12:30 |
|
kados |
and we got a fishtank :-) |
| 12:30 |
|
paul |
a fishtank ??? |
| 12:31 |
|
owen |
Good news! |
| 12:31 |
|
kados |
paul: an acquarium |
| 12:31 |
|
kados |
small one, 35 gallons |
| 12:31 |
|
kados |
that's been fun :-) |
| 12:31 |
|
kados |
owen: you'll have to stop by and see our fish :-) |
| 12:31 |
|
owen |
Now you nead a fishtank cleanup roster |
| 12:32 |
|
owen |
And every time someone feeds the fish, they make a commit to the fish-git repository |
| 12:33 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 12:35 |
|
paul |
kados : what is the relation btw the client & the fishtank ? you have a fishtank vendor using Koha ? |
| 12:36 |
|
owen |
Or can libraries now pay you in fish? |
| 12:36 |
|
owen |
We'll give you three carp for a reporting module. |
| 12:37 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 12:37 |
|
kados |
paul: nope, we just got one for the office |
| 12:37 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 13:02 |
|
owen |
paul, I noticed yesterday that the holds page gave me a warning about "The patron isn't in his own library" even though independent branches is set to 0. Is that a bug? |
| 13:05 |
|
owen |
When I'm placing a hold, after entering the patron number, I get a message onscreen that says "The borrower isn't in is own library" |
| 13:07 |
|
kados |
and yep, that sounds like a bug to me |
| 13:08 |
|
paul |
patron is registered in branch ???, the hold is taken by a librarian in branch ???, for a book that is in branch ??? and a pickup at branch ??? |
| 13:09 |
|
owen |
I don't understand |
| 13:10 |
|
paul |
kados : the ip "detector" address works only if you have entered ip address, otherwise it does nothing |
| 13:10 |
|
owen |
Yeah, that's not turned on |
| 13:10 |
|
paul |
owen : what is the branch you're logged as ? |
| 13:10 |
|
paul |
(aslibrarian) |
| 13:10 |
|
paul |
what is the pickup location you choose ? |
| 13:10 |
|
paul |
what is the branch of your member ? |
| 13:11 |
|
owen |
I'm logged in at Chauncey, the patron's branch is Main, and I haven't chosen a pickup location yet |
| 13:11 |
|
owen |
But with IndependentBranches turned off, what does it matter? |
| 13:11 |
|
owen |
I should be able to place a hold for any patron at any branch and have it sent to any branch |
| 13:12 |
|
paul |
gotcha ! |
| 13:12 |
|
paul |
the warning is just a warning. It doesn't forbid you to do the hold. |
| 13:13 |
|
paul |
because usually, a patron calls it's own branch for a reserve. even if the book is at another one |
| 13:13 |
|
owen |
Is the warning useful if IndependentBranches is turned off? |
| 13:14 |
|
paul |
good question... |
| 13:15 |
|
paul |
this feature has been added by SAN-OP, that is independantBranches=OFF |
| 13:15 |
|
paul |
so they think it's useful ! |
| 13:17 |
|
kados |
owen: how about NPL? |
| 13:17 |
|
paul |
if he ask, I suspect he will find this useless ;-) |
| 13:18 |
|
paul |
maybe we should have 2 classes for "warnings". |
| 13:18 |
|
owen |
Our librarians will be confused by a warning on the screen that isn't relevant to the hold process |
| 13:18 |
|
paul |
atm we have only 1, and it's red. |
| 13:18 |
|
owen |
Yes, in fact we've started that process |
| 13:18 |
|
paul |
we could have a "warning, danger", and "warning, maybe useful" |
| 13:18 |
|
owen |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]global_stylesheet |
| 13:18 |
|
owen |
We came up with warning, error, message, and dialog |
| 13:19 |
|
paul |
so this message is a message, not a dialog. |
| 13:20 |
|
paul |
sounds ok to me & I can convince SANOP I think |
| 13:20 |
|
owen |
kados, I have a question about terminology |
| 13:20 |
|
kados |
sure |
| 13:20 |
|
owen |
We've agreed that "holds" is the most-preferred term, right? |
| 13:20 |
|
kados |
yep[ |
| 13:20 |
|
kados |
because 'reserves' means something else in academic environments |
| 13:21 |
|
owen |
What is the transitive form? Place a hold? Add a hold? Should the title say "Adding a hold for <title>" ? |
| 13:21 |
|
kados |
and holds is universal |
| 13:21 |
|
kados |
place a hold |
| 13:21 |
|
kados |
place a hold on |
| 13:21 |
|
kados |
I think |
| 13:21 |
|
kados |
place a hold on <title> |
| 13:24 |
|
owen |
Have you ever polled your libraries on whether patrons should be displayed lastname, firstname or firstname, lastname? How about you, Paul? |
| 13:25 |
|
paul |
nope. but saying "Hello POULAIN Paul" sounds very administrative where "Hello Paul POULAIN" sounds more friendly & close |
| 13:25 |
|
paul |
(and it's "Paul POULAIN" without comma in french |
| 13:26 |
|
paul |
maybe that's why some of us spell lastname in capitals, to differenciate last & first ;-) |
| 13:27 |
|
owen |
Sounds like a good system--I've been called "Leonard Owen" often throughout my life |
| 13:30 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 13:30 |
|
kados |
owen: yea, I agree, Firstname Lastname makes sense |
| 13:30 |
|
owen |
Still looking at request.pl... Is the 'reserve this item' checkbox used if you want an item-level hold? |
| 13:30 |
|
kados |
also, on the prob of ALL CAPS |
| 13:30 |
|
kados |
can't that just be a font style? |
| 13:30 |
|
kados |
paul: ? |
| 13:30 |
|
paul |
yep. |
| 13:31 |
|
kados |
paul: yep to which question? :-) |
| 13:31 |
|
paul |
we hare a problem here, I agree... (yep to calling me) |
| 13:31 |
|
paul |
s/hare/have/ |
| 13:31 |
|
kados |
calling? |
| 13:31 |
|
paul |
Using a font-style is not what SANOP want. |
| 13:31 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 13:31 |
|
paul |
but upcasing everything is bad, I agree |
| 13:32 |
|
owen |
We can add class="surname" to all relevant fields, and have a custom stylesheet defining text-transform "all-caps" |
| 13:32 |
|
owen |
paul, what is SANOP asking for? |
| 13:32 |
|
paul |
except that when or exporting we will have small caps! |
| 13:32 |
|
kados |
right |
| 13:32 |
|
paul |
they want to have "Paul POULAIN" everywhere. |
| 13:32 |
|
kados |
so you need a JS transform, but it will have to be wrapped in a syspref |
| 13:33 |
|
paul |
I'll teach them git in 10 days. |
| 13:33 |
|
kados |
the sysprefs that is |
| 13:33 |
|
kados |
and they are still quite small overall |
| 13:33 |
|
paul |
they'll discover the power of git rebase orign :-) |
| 13:33 |
|
paul |
and i'll tell them they can keep their "ucase" behaviour locally easily |
| 13:34 |
|
kados |
ok, that's another option |
| 13:34 |
|
kados |
(though I think it's a nice feature to have built in with a syspref for libraries that like it) |
| 13:35 |
|
paul |
we have a BorrowerMandatoryField, that decide which fields are mandatory for patron typing |
| 13:35 |
|
paul |
we could have a BorrowerUpcaseField as well |
| 13:36 |
|
paul |
because maybe some ppl will want the city to be ucased as well |
| 13:36 |
|
kados |
or BorrowerMandatoryField could have a special way to represent uppercase? |
| 13:50 |
|
owen |
Okay, so...still looking at request.pl... Is the 'reserve this item' checkbox used if you want an item-level hold? |
| 13:50 |
|
kados |
owen: yep, as I understand it |
| 13:50 |
|
owen |
Should that be a radio button instead of a checkbox? Or does checking multiple boxes mean, "give me the next one that comes back" ? |
| 13:51 |
|
owen |
..the next one of these two, as opposed to the next one of all, for instance? |
| 13:52 |
|
kados |
paul: ? |
| 13:52 |
|
paul |
(on phone) |
| 13:57 |
|
paul |
owen : i think you're right, it should be a radio button. Because i would bet a lot that you can't choose 2 different items... |
| 13:58 |
|
paul |
"the next one that come back" is the "1st available" option ;-) |
| 14:09 |
|
paul |
kados : mail in your mailbox. |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
paul: thx, I'll respond soon |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
paul: did you see MJ's post about 2.2.10? |
| 15:30 |
|
owen |
paul, I'm curious about the 'cancel a reserve' link on requests.pl |
| 17:18 |
|
ryan |
owen: there's code in dev_week that manages reserve on multiple specific items. |
| 17:18 |
|
ryan |
just cancels other reserves for same biblio when one item reservve is filled. |
| 17:19 |
|
paul |
hello ryan. |
| 17:19 |
|
ryan |
hi paul |
| 17:19 |
|
paul |
is it your code or a port of SANOP code in dev_week ? |
| 17:20 |
|
ryan |
rangi added it. |
| 17:21 |
|
ryan |
well, if sanop did it, then it was done twice :) |
| 17:21 |
|
ryan |
it's a small thing, but a nice feature imo. |
| 17:21 |
|
paul |
right? |
| 17:21 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 17:22 |
|
paul |
and, best of the best, all checkboxes are unchecked if you select "1st available" ? |
| 17:24 |
|
ryan |
or, i think 'first available' is greyed out if you select a specific item. |
| 17:25 |
|
paul |
ryan: kados told us you'll teach koha to 2 new employees next week. 2 more, or 2 replacing ppl that leaved ? |
| 17:25 |
|
paul |
(how many "LibLimers" now ?) |
| 17:25 |
|
ryan |
paul: new |
| 17:26 |
|
ryan |
we'll have 5 developers in U.S. |
| 17:26 |
|
ryan |
plus team NZ |
| 17:57 |
|
owen |
That business about 'first available' being greyed out isn't in 3.0. Is that what's in dev_week? |
| 17:59 |
|
kados |
ryan: ? |
| 18:10 |
|
kados |
it's addicting, I'll tell ya |
| 18:10 |
|
owen |
I look forward to seeing a fish-git commit for "bubbling treasure chest" |
| 18:10 |
|
kados |
apparantly, people who watch fish live longer :-) |
| 18:10 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 18:10 |
|
kados |
so the toolbar on circ's coming along eh? |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
do you have a plan for priorities? |
| 18:12 |
|
owen |
I've been pretty unfocused. I think you and I need to sit down together soon and discuss some of the questions that have arisen from trying to sort out toolbars and sidebars |
| 18:12 |
|
kados |
any luck with that js library for the toolbars? |
| 18:12 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 18:12 |
|
owen |
I haven't even touched the js for toolbars yet |
| 18:12 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 18:58 |
|
ryan |
owen: nvm the greyed out business. |
| 18:59 |
|
ryan |
just replying to the radio v checkbox bit - |
| 18:59 |
|
ryan |
i say go with checkboxes, since you _can_ select multiple specific items for reserve. |
| 19:00 |
|
owen |
Ah, you can? In 3.0? |
| 19:00 |
|
owen |
And the first one that becomes available fulfills the reserve? |
| 19:00 |
|
ryan |
code just needs ported to 3.0 |
| 19:00 |
|
ryan |
rught. |
| 19:00 |
|
ryan |
er.. right. |
| 19:01 |
|
owen |
I wonder how much other stuff needs to be ported to 3.0... |
| 19:08 |
|
owen |
From my point of view "next available" should be checked by default, and checking one of the 'hold this item' boxes would uncheck the 'next available' one |
| 19:09 |
|
johnb |
kados, got a sec? |
| 19:29 |
|
kados |
johnb: sure do |
| 19:29 |
|
kados |
johnb: hat's up? |
| 19:29 |
|
kados |
what's up I mean :-) |
| 19:30 |
|
johnb |
kados: sorry got asked away from my desk |
| 19:30 |
|
johnb |
Kados: We had a problem with "not" not working in title search |
| 19:31 |
|
kados |
oh, yea that is a problem |
| 19:31 |
|
johnb |
cm: youu teel him |
| 19:31 |
|
cm |
hey owen & ryan! i found a fix for the problem with 'not' searches |
| 19:31 |
|
kados |
one solution is we could change the syntax |
| 19:32 |
|
cm |
in the ccl properties where the operators are defined, |
| 19:32 |
|
cm |
i changed '@not not' to '@not -' |
| 19:32 |
|
cm |
so just the minus sign is used for not. like google. ;) |
| 19:32 |
|
kados |
we could replace not with ! |
| 19:32 |
|
kados |
or we could replace it with - |
| 19:32 |
|
kados |
which do you guys prefer |
| 19:32 |
|
cm |
i used - |
| 19:32 |
|
cm |
you could define both, couldn't you? |
| 19:33 |
|
kados |
yep, you could |
| 19:33 |
|
kados |
lets see, you'll also need to make sure you don't have '-' mapped to ' ' in the record.abs |
| 19:33 |
|
cm |
i'll check. |
| 19:35 |
|
kados |
and unfortunately, if you do, you'll have to reindex |
| 19:35 |
|
cm |
i don't think i do. there are too many hyphens in that file to simply search for it. |
| 19:35 |
|
cm |
it's not that way by default, is it? |
| 19:36 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 19:37 |
|
cm |
i'm not seeing it in there. |
| 19:38 |
|
kados |
sort-string.utf8 |
| 19:41 |
|
cm |
I don't have that in my record.abs. |
| 19:41 |
|
kados |
look for the file sort-string-utf.chr |
| 19:41 |
|
kados |
should be in biblios/tab/ dir |
| 19:41 |
|
kados |
there's a line: |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
space {\001-\040}!"#$%&'\()*+,-./:;<=>?@\[\\]^_|} |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
remove the '-' from that line |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
and reindex :-) |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
repeat for all of the .chr files |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
(well, you can edit them, then reindex once for all changes) |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
make sense? |
| 19:43 |
|
cm |
ok. what about the ! if i want to use that too? |
| 19:43 |
|
cm |
i've been reindexing every night anyway. |
| 19:44 |
|
kados |
yea, ditto on ! |
| 19:44 |
|
cm |
ok. thanks! |
| 19:45 |
|
kados |
lemme know if you have any other questions |
| 19:47 |
|
cm |
okay, thanks kados. |
| 20:03 |
|
kados |
back |
| 20:12 |
|
cm |
i do have another question for you. in 3.0, will the facets show all the results instead of just the ones for the first page? |
| 20:13 |
|
kados |
they could do that now if you want them to |
| 20:13 |
|
kados |
the problem is it's too expensive |
| 20:13 |
|
kados |
(load wise) |
| 20:14 |
|
kados |
index data have been waiting for money (about $20K or so) to build facets into zebra itself |
| 20:14 |
|
kados |
so there would be a facet index |
| 20:14 |
|
kados |
which would make that possible |
| 20:14 |
|
kados |
but we have to wait until that sponsorhip goes through |
| 20:15 |
|
cm |
that would be cool. |
