Time Nick Message 12:01 kados morning jaron 12:01 kados jaron: just got your email :-) 12:02 jaron good morning 12:02 jaron :) 12:04 jaron btw, was able to poke around and find a public but unannounced svn repo to grab the code. 12:05 kados cool 12:06 kados yea, it's there, but you have to look closely :-) 12:08 jaron cool, thanks for responding. 12:14 paul hello kados & jaron 12:14 jaron morning paul 12:18 kados hiya paul 12:28 owen Hi #koha 12:28 kados hiya owen :-) 12:28 owen What've you been up to kados? 12:29 kados yesterday we had a meeting with a client at our new offices 12:30 kados and we got a fishtank :-) 12:30 paul a fishtank ??? 12:31 owen Good news! 12:31 kados paul: an acquarium 12:31 kados small one, 35 gallons 12:31 kados that's been fun :-) 12:31 kados owen: you'll have to stop by and see our fish :-) 12:31 owen Now you nead a fishtank cleanup roster 12:32 owen And every time someone feeds the fish, they make a commit to the fish-git repository 12:33 kados heh 12:35 paul kados : what is the relation btw the client & the fishtank ? you have a fishtank vendor using Koha ? 12:36 owen Or can libraries now pay you in fish? 12:36 owen We'll give you three carp for a reporting module. 12:37 kados hehe 12:37 kados paul: nope, we just got one for the office 12:37 kados :-) 13:02 owen paul, I noticed yesterday that the holds page gave me a warning about "The patron isn't in his own library" even though independent branches is set to 0. Is that a bug? 13:05 owen When I'm placing a hold, after entering the patron number, I get a message onscreen that says "The borrower isn't in is own library" 13:07 kados and yep, that sounds like a bug to me 13:08 paul patron is registered in branch ???, the hold is taken by a librarian in branch ???, for a book that is in branch ??? and a pickup at branch ??? 13:09 owen I don't understand 13:10 paul kados : the ip "detector" address works only if you have entered ip address, otherwise it does nothing 13:10 owen Yeah, that's not turned on 13:10 paul owen : what is the branch you're logged as ? 13:10 paul (aslibrarian) 13:10 paul what is the pickup location you choose ? 13:10 paul what is the branch of your member ? 13:11 owen I'm logged in at Chauncey, the patron's branch is Main, and I haven't chosen a pickup location yet 13:11 owen But with IndependentBranches turned off, what does it matter? 13:11 owen I should be able to place a hold for any patron at any branch and have it sent to any branch 13:12 paul gotcha ! 13:12 paul the warning is just a warning. It doesn't forbid you to do the hold. 13:13 paul because usually, a patron calls it's own branch for a reserve. even if the book is at another one 13:13 owen Is the warning useful if IndependentBranches is turned off? 13:14 paul good question... 13:15 paul this feature has been added by SAN-OP, that is independantBranches=OFF 13:15 paul so they think it's useful ! 13:17 kados owen: how about NPL? 13:17 paul if he ask, I suspect he will find this useless ;-) 13:18 paul maybe we should have 2 classes for "warnings". 13:18 owen Our librarians will be confused by a warning on the screen that isn't relevant to the hold process 13:18 paul atm we have only 1, and it's red. 13:18 owen Yes, in fact we've started that process 13:18 paul we could have a "warning, danger", and "warning, maybe useful" 13:18 owen http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:templates_style_guide#global_stylesheet 13:18 owen We came up with warning, error, message, and dialog 13:19 paul so this message is a message, not a dialog. 13:20 paul sounds ok to me & I can convince SANOP I think 13:20 owen kados, I have a question about terminology 13:20 kados sure 13:20 owen We've agreed that "holds" is the most-preferred term, right? 13:20 kados yep[ 13:20 kados because 'reserves' means something else in academic environments 13:21 owen What is the transitive form? Place a hold? Add a hold? Should the title say "Adding a hold for <title>" ? 13:21 kados and holds is universal 13:21 kados place a hold 13:21 kados place a hold on 13:21 kados I think 13:21 kados place a hold on <title> 13:24 owen Have you ever polled your libraries on whether patrons should be displayed lastname, firstname or firstname, lastname? How about you, Paul? 13:25 paul nope. but saying "Hello POULAIN Paul" sounds very administrative where "Hello Paul POULAIN" sounds more friendly & close 13:25 paul (and it's "Paul POULAIN" without comma in french 13:26 paul maybe that's why some of us spell lastname in capitals, to differenciate last & first ;-) 13:27 owen Sounds like a good system--I've been called "Leonard Owen" often throughout my life 13:30 kados hehe 13:30 kados owen: yea, I agree, Firstname Lastname makes sense 13:30 owen Still looking at request.pl... Is the 'reserve this item' checkbox used if you want an item-level hold? 13:30 kados also, on the prob of ALL CAPS 13:30 kados can't that just be a font style? 13:30 kados paul: ? 13:30 paul yep. 13:31 kados paul: yep to which question? :-) 13:31 paul we hare a problem here, I agree... (yep to calling me) 13:31 paul s/hare/have/ 13:31 kados calling? 13:31 paul Using a font-style is not what SANOP want. 13:31 kados ahh 13:31 paul but upcasing everything is bad, I agree 13:32 owen We can add class="surname" to all relevant fields, and have a custom stylesheet defining text-transform "all-caps" 13:32 owen paul, what is SANOP asking for? 13:32 paul except that when or exporting we will have small caps! 13:32 kados right 13:32 paul they want to have "Paul POULAIN" everywhere. 13:32 kados so you need a JS transform, but it will have to be wrapped in a syspref 13:33 paul I'll teach them git in 10 days. 13:33 kados the sysprefs that is 13:33 kados and they are still quite small overall 13:33 paul they'll discover the power of git rebase orign :-) 13:33 paul and i'll tell them they can keep their "ucase" behaviour locally easily 13:34 kados ok, that's another option 13:34 kados (though I think it's a nice feature to have built in with a syspref for libraries that like it) 13:35 paul we have a BorrowerMandatoryField, that decide which fields are mandatory for patron typing 13:35 paul we could have a BorrowerUpcaseField as well 13:36 paul because maybe some ppl will want the city to be ucased as well 13:36 kados or BorrowerMandatoryField could have a special way to represent uppercase? 13:50 owen Okay, so...still looking at request.pl... Is the 'reserve this item' checkbox used if you want an item-level hold? 13:50 kados owen: yep, as I understand it 13:50 owen Should that be a radio button instead of a checkbox? Or does checking multiple boxes mean, "give me the next one that comes back" ? 13:51 owen ..the next one of these two, as opposed to the next one of all, for instance? 13:52 kados paul: ? 13:52 paul (on phone) 13:57 paul owen : i think you're right, it should be a radio button. Because i would bet a lot that you can't choose 2 different items... 13:58 paul "the next one that come back" is the "1st available" option ;-) 14:09 paul kados : mail in your mailbox. 15:28 kados paul: thx, I'll respond soon 15:28 kados paul: did you see MJ's post about 2.2.10? 15:30 owen paul, I'm curious about the 'cancel a reserve' link on requests.pl 17:18 ryan owen: there's code in dev_week that manages reserve on multiple specific items. 17:18 ryan just cancels other reserves for same biblio when one item reservve is filled. 17:19 paul hello ryan. 17:19 ryan hi paul 17:19 paul is it your code or a port of SANOP code in dev_week ? 17:20 ryan rangi added it. 17:21 ryan well, if sanop did it, then it was done twice :) 17:21 ryan it's a small thing, but a nice feature imo. 17:21 paul right? 17:21 paul right. 17:22 paul and, best of the best, all checkboxes are unchecked if you select "1st available" ? 17:24 ryan or, i think 'first available' is greyed out if you select a specific item. 17:25 paul ryan: kados told us you'll teach koha to 2 new employees next week. 2 more, or 2 replacing ppl that leaved ? 17:25 paul (how many "LibLimers" now ?) 17:25 ryan paul: new 17:26 ryan we'll have 5 developers in U.S. 17:26 ryan plus team NZ 17:57 owen That business about 'first available' being greyed out isn't in 3.0. Is that what's in dev_week? 17:59 kados ryan: ? 18:10 kados it's addicting, I'll tell ya 18:10 owen I look forward to seeing a fish-git commit for "bubbling treasure chest" 18:10 kados apparantly, people who watch fish live longer :-) 18:10 kados hehe 18:10 kados so the toolbar on circ's coming along eh? 18:11 kados do you have a plan for priorities? 18:12 owen I've been pretty unfocused. I think you and I need to sit down together soon and discuss some of the questions that have arisen from trying to sort out toolbars and sidebars 18:12 kados any luck with that js library for the toolbars? 18:12 kados yea 18:12 owen I haven't even touched the js for toolbars yet 18:12 kados ahh 18:58 ryan owen: nvm the greyed out business. 18:59 ryan just replying to the radio v checkbox bit - 18:59 ryan i say go with checkboxes, since you _can_ select multiple specific items for reserve. 19:00 owen Ah, you can? In 3.0? 19:00 owen And the first one that becomes available fulfills the reserve? 19:00 ryan code just needs ported to 3.0 19:00 ryan rught. 19:00 ryan er.. right. 19:01 owen I wonder how much other stuff needs to be ported to 3.0... 19:08 owen From my point of view "next available" should be checked by default, and checking one of the 'hold this item' boxes would uncheck the 'next available' one 19:09 johnb kados, got a sec? 19:29 kados johnb: sure do 19:29 kados johnb: hat's up? 19:29 kados what's up I mean :-) 19:30 johnb kados: sorry got asked away from my desk 19:30 johnb Kados: We had a problem with "not" not working in title search 19:31 kados oh, yea that is a problem 19:31 johnb cm: youu teel him 19:31 cm hey owen & ryan! i found a fix for the problem with 'not' searches 19:31 kados one solution is we could change the syntax 19:32 cm in the ccl properties where the operators are defined, 19:32 cm i changed '@not not' to '@not -' 19:32 cm so just the minus sign is used for not. like google. ;) 19:32 kados we could replace not with ! 19:32 kados or we could replace it with - 19:32 kados which do you guys prefer 19:32 cm i used - 19:32 cm you could define both, couldn't you? 19:33 kados yep, you could 19:33 kados lets see, you'll also need to make sure you don't have '-' mapped to ' ' in the record.abs 19:33 cm i'll check. 19:35 kados and unfortunately, if you do, you'll have to reindex 19:35 cm i don't think i do. there are too many hyphens in that file to simply search for it. 19:35 cm it's not that way by default, is it? 19:36 kados hmmm 19:37 cm i'm not seeing it in there. 19:38 kados sort-string.utf8 19:41 cm I don't have that in my record.abs. 19:41 kados look for the file sort-string-utf.chr 19:41 kados should be in biblios/tab/ dir 19:41 kados there's a line: 19:42 kados space {\001-\040}!"#$%&'\()*+,-./:;<=>?@\[\\]^_|} 19:42 kados remove the '-' from that line 19:42 kados and reindex :-) 19:42 kados repeat for all of the .chr files 19:42 kados (well, you can edit them, then reindex once for all changes) 19:42 kados make sense? 19:43 cm ok. what about the ! if i want to use that too? 19:43 cm i've been reindexing every night anyway. 19:44 kados yea, ditto on ! 19:44 cm ok. thanks! 19:45 kados lemme know if you have any other questions 19:47 cm okay, thanks kados. 20:03 kados back 20:12 cm i do have another question for you. in 3.0, will the facets show all the results instead of just the ones for the first page? 20:13 kados they could do that now if you want them to 20:13 kados the problem is it's too expensive 20:13 kados (load wise) 20:14 kados index data have been waiting for money (about $20K or so) to build facets into zebra itself 20:14 kados so there would be a facet index 20:14 kados which would make that possible 20:14 kados but we have to wait until that sponsorhip goes through 20:15 cm that would be cool.